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Then what's the problem with the unions seeking them as members? The unions are about employees and it is not their job to verify status. Would you support making it not only illegal for the company to hire the illegals, but to make the individuals also criminally liable so that it is not just a fine for the company, but the company execs can serve jail time for their company doing this?

If employers weren't breaking the law by hiring illegals, this would not be a problem. Just to save a buck,the employer hires the illegals. The union looks for membership from all employees and the union is not tasked with verifying immigration status. Are you OK with employers hiring illegals?

You are absolutely right. You know it all.

You're right. The last 100 years of studying what it is to be human and the complexities of our existence has been useless. It really is simple and you're right. All of you are right. There is no global warming, human scientific understanding of ourselves and our world is complete and we know of nothing new in the last 100 years. Now I see why we were warned about posting on here because there is no way to have a conversation. I'm out. Have at it.

Look. I don't mean to sound mean here, but it is more complex than what you're making it. The scientific community has made tremendous strides in understanding human development, and in the complexities of how and who we are as a species and as individuals.

Ok. So you want tougher penalties on employers. Ok. That is still not a union problem to determine citizenship but the law requires employers to do that. I will say again that if the employers were not breaking the law and hiring the illegals at lower cost than citizen hiring, the problem you're bringing up is solved. You complained the unions were bringing in illegals into membership. So what? The unions are doing what they are tasked to do. That is not a left or right issue but an issue of the employer breaking the law.

It is more complex than that.

Modern science incorporates psychology, sociology, and other understandings. Only looking at one facet ignores the complexity of the human understanding. What? I'm afraid your politics are getting in the way of your understanding here. You're looking at only on component and we've come along way in the last 100 years of human study.

In 500 years they will dig up the body and say that it took until the 21st century to finally come out of the dark ages in human understanding.

So why are employers hiring illegals? Unions are not tasked with checking citizenship. That is the employers responsibility. The union treats every employee the same, unless you are saying the union is supposed to discriminate? Based on suspicion?

I believe that would be the science of the last 100 years.

Never mind. I know fairness only goes so far.

Now you're coming around. Will you agree that he should be able to marry whom he wants?

I'm just questioning why you accept modern medicine but hold onto the psychological ideas of 100 years ago.

Also very much out of touch with the modern world.

The psychology says he is female. Only the old school and rejected ideas say otherwise.

That's your opinion. It is also a very outdated idea.

Mine went up $50,000 in the last 3 years. I bought right out of college and, apparently, at the perfect bottom of the market. I'm all kinds of good with paying more taxes because my realtor said my house is more than the appraisal. I'm all kinds of happy! The appraisal keeps going up and I've already made lots of equity!

I think I love you! Any response?

Then your argument is about the employer, not the union. The union is about treating all employees fairly. It is not the Union's job to verify citizenship. If the employer wouldn't hire illegals and break the law to save a few bucks, this wouldn't even be a problem. Isn't that how free enterprise works?

Yes. If the illegal is an employee, the employer should treat her like any other. If the employer knows the employee is illegal, she is breaking the law in hiring them. Are you serious? Why is the employer hiring an illegal?

And that is a problem?

Not cool.

I will ask it a different way. Other than whom they have sex with, how is their lifestyle any different than yours?

So how is their "lifestyle" any different than yours? Do they go to different places to eat than you? I am certain there is a gay car they all drive and a only certain movies they watch. I bet gays only vote one way. The truth is the gay community is exactly like you in every way and are as varied in their beliefs about things as everyone else. There are religious gays and atheist gays. There are Republican gays and Democrat gays. Some gays like the opera and some like Country and Western. They shop in the same stores as you, eat the same foods as you, and love people just like you. They l