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He saved enough to buy a very fancy car on a European vacation a year later by getting his surgery in Belgium. Yes the real Death Panels work in American insurance companies. Our system is about the love of money which is the source of all ... well you know. Our actual care providers don't typically take a back seat to anyone. Our health care providers are not the problem.

She couldn't have received the same care in the US because the medicine she needed was not yet approved in the US. From her article: "I would like Sarah Palin to rest assured that there was no "death panel" to determine whether or not our son was worth saving. On the contrary, I was placed in the maternity ward and received outstanding medical care from UCH's highly qualified and compassionate medical staff. I was given a series of injections of a steroid that had not yet been approved in the United States, but that helped my baby's lungs produce surfactant -- a substance that normally

In a hyper-partisan atmosphere, a moderate or even a real conservative appears radical. I am not the radical in this conversation. Ronald Reagan, Eisenhower or Churchill would appear liberal amongst the "conservatives" of today. So thanks. Here's a hint: any source that says we provide great care for all our citizens in a fiscally responsible or efficient manner, then that source is either a GD liar or a fool or both. And even if they don't intend to hurt this country, they certainly provide comfort for those who do.

Not true. We fall way down the list on several measures. Read Consumer Reports's recent report on Health Care which contained a chart comparing the French system and American systems. There are gobs of sources that prove our system is wasteful and fails to care for Americans as well as citizens of the other first world countries are cared for. It has come down to people who know or want to know at least and people who just don't know. It is myth that the WHO report has been "widely discredited". There are many other truthful sources that support what the WHO reports say.

Yes, many countries that cover everyone also allow you to buy supplemental coverage that allows shorter waits for treatment. Often, there is no reason other than someone with the sniffles wants to be seen immediately and is able to pay for that. Your situation sounds much more legitimate. I know some folks that live in Costa Rica that are relatively healthy and either use the socialized plan or pay a la carte because even the expensive route is very cheap there. A friend of mine needs gout medicine occasionally. It used to be very cheap here but not now. He was able to get someone to buy

I mentioned that the same drug is available here now. It wasn't in 1990. Estimates range from 10,000 to about 25,000 Americans die every year because of lack of medical care. I know personally of a case that would have been cured in most countries for less than $1000 that probably ended up costing between $500,000 and $1 million here. It could have been proper testing until the right antibiotics were determined then a relatively simple cure. Instead, it was near death and multiple surgeries and enough money spent to buy several houses. Only in America. Preventive care would have

Yes, actually. The drug available in the UK and not here at the time allowed the birth to be put off long enough so that the baby never had to be on a ventilator. The lungs were more developed because of the drug they had available there. The time before birth would have shorter in the US but the time in hospital AFTER delivery would have been much longer here. That is a much better medical situation. The baby was in vitro longer than it would have been here. The time in hospital after birth was shorter there than it would have been here. In vitro longer and never in a ventilator.

Remote geography is what you refer to. We have that here too. A friend of mine took his mother to Paulding Memorial with a broken collarbone: over 8 hours to be seen, 10-1/2 hours from the time they got there till leaving. Recently I went to Kennestone ER with my mother in law. We arrived at 9 pm and at 1:30 the next morning they finally took her back. The doctor came in sometime later... we were all getting a bit fatigued.. don't know exactly when they actually saw her (I was sleeping very uncomfortably in the waiting room) for treatment. Treatment took a bit longer...she was release

Actually, if you read the article you will find that the baby would not have received the same care here simply because there was an approved drug available there that was not available here at that time. The baby would have been much more fragile if born here and would have spent much more time in the hospital. The cost would have been much higher here. The British spend 41 cents for every dollar we spend, cover everybody, live longer, don't have industries leaving their country only because of healthcare costs, never bankrupt due to getting hurt or sick, and generally get better healthc

People complain about the weather and healthcare. From every country on earth. But I know more than one person who spent decades here and then moved there. Their experience says otherwise and they know both systems. BTW, it is just a fact that their waits for typical emergency room treatment is much shorter. The only thing we beat everyone on is emergency cardiac care in any large American city. Everyday preventative and usual healthcare, American healthcare is between 35th and 41st depending on which year you check. That is hard core scientific analysis instead of anecdotal word

You are right. She lived nearer to a provider in Canada at the time. But I could hook you up with a fellow who grew up in Miami but has lived in Canada for decades. He still travels here yearly. He gets spitting mad when he talks about how we get ripped off here. Believe me, he knows both systems. You might have to wait a little bit in the "queue" there for non-emergency procedures but with an actual typical emergency room situation will be seen quicker in Canada. Much quicker. And they cover everybody for half as much money... and live longer... and have better healthcare than Ame

There are charalatans in Mexico just as there are here. Often the situation you mention is from someone desperate who already knows there is no chance for living from any treatment available here (or there actually.) But you are usually talking about $20,000 in a country with better healthcare versus $100,000 here. In other words, it could be difference between getting care or not getting care... dying or living... being financially destitute or healthy and with a lot more money in you pocket. The article linked below is a real example where Ann Leary (Dennis Leary is her husband) rec

People travel from the US to other countries for care a LOT. The case in that article was a man who needed a hip replacement and saved enough (on ONE procedure!) going to Belgium to literally buy a house. The case in question actually saved tens of thousands even including a nice European vacation. Belgian healthcare is on average better than American healthcare. We are a step down for them in some ways. Many Americans travel to Mexico for healthcare. And Thailand. And Europe. And Central America. Sarah Palin used to travel to Canada for healthcare. Medical tourism will be more c

The case in question actually saved tens of thousands even including a nice European vacation. Actually, the savings were enough to buy a house. Belgian healthcare is on average better than American healthcare. Many Americans travel to Mexico for healthcare. And Thailand. And Europe. And Central America.

This is a cause that will go over like the proverbial turd in the punch bowl... or you could say it will float over like a lead balloon.

I meant nothing disparaging. You have gumption and I applaud you for that. But, at the time in my life when I worked up to 3 part time jobs working my way through college or later on when I worked one full time job in a carpet mill and another part time job while at the same time taking some pretty damn damn tough engineering, science and math classes, I was hard core the way you are now. I was less empathetic when I worked until 3 am (shift change after class schedule set in stone) and had a freaking tough professor in my Fluid Mechanics class at 9am every morning because I could handle

What exactly is liberal about wanting to really deal with voter fraud instead of fooling people who don't know with the bright shiny object that the photo id "solution" is? I haven't made up anything either. Also, I thought I was being relatively understanding about folks needing to go around the block a few more times. Everyone will gain some wisdom when they know more as they very likely will with more experience. Most will gain capacity for empathy as well. Also, there is nothing wrong with being female but I never have been.

Again, at 33 you are still wet behind the ears compared to you with a few more years under your belt. You WILL know this but only later in your life.

It's kind of understandable for your daughter's situation. What if she had owned and lived in the same house for decades while voting in the same county for over 40 years but was denied? What would be wrong with simultaneously registering to vote just by getting a free and easy to access (assuming one is a citizen) photo id?

Someday you may gain more capacity for empathy. Here's to hope. At 33 you are still wet behind the ears compared to who you will be later in your life. Ain't no she on this side of the discussion.

Yes, before photo id even existed you at one time had to be a landowner to vote. One extremely important distinction that everyone is not mentioning is that voting is a constitutionally (interpretively) guaranteed right. Using a credit card or cashing a check is a private enterprise privilege. Again, free and easy to get photo id and I say fine to voter id. Fraud is critical to any voter fraud discussion however. And the vast majority of real voter fraud occurs in situations that have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with voter id. The amount of voter fraud that voter id

She did all the things you mention just like you are doing them... raised kids, worked full time, helped with her grandkids, did all that for her first 70+ years. There are differing circumstances for different people. Some folks don't have close family, ad infinitum. When I was 20 something I thought everyone should have no trouble losing weight, making money, having a great marriage and friends, etc. I call it my arrogance of ignorance phase. I now know better. Some folks never grow out of it though. It is also non-empathetic to say anyone else should be able to do something when nothin

Sure. That is the reason that when you list the best and brightest among humanity there are so many more "liberals" than "conservatives."

Yep, and even if it's made in Yankeeland it is still damn good salsa. Nuttin' fake about it.

First place... not my mom. And, I was perhaps mistakenly under the impression that we were discussing factual issues. The lady in question (not my mom who died in 1995) does now have an id. She didn't get to vote in the last election because she didn't have photo id because she has been unable to drive for years and did not renew her license. She had voted in Cobb County for well over 40 years but was not allowed to the last time around. And voter ids do not prevent voter fraud at all where it actually occurs. Facts should matter in this discussion.