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Sorry you got the post in transition but with the disclaimer. That reply was meant for another not you.

Sounds like Martin made a poor choice and paid a heavy price for it. Kind of like slapping a sleeping sasquatch. He gets pissed off and chases you to a cliff that you promptly jump off and die. Yup... it was all his fault for forcing you to jump off that cliff. BTW Did you say Zimmerman was uninjured or not? Are you prepared to say now that Zimmerman sustained injuries due to being assaulted by Martin? And as a side note here. If this case was only about Martin beating the crap out of Zimmerman, I would be squarely in Martin's corner. The only caviate is that Martin still needed

You are absolutely right Postman. You just can't teach common sense. You are either born with it or not. The less you have the shorter your life can become (ie stepping out in front of buses is hazzardous to your health).

Nope... it means the person Martin picked a fight with was carrying a gun and he was not. Rules of COMMON SENSE dictate that when you choose to fight someone you had better be prepared to do battle with them using the deadliest weapon at their disposal. If it is a knife it is a knife fight. A fist, a fist fight. A gun, a gun fight. If they are a pacifist, then it is whatever the heck fight you choose it to be. So if you can fight someone carrying a gun with your hands and win 100% of the time, then you are good with only your hands. If you can not do that then you had better rethink your reaso

I think this will go a long way towards showing folks that you will no longer be allowed to defend yourself without fear of retaliation / prosecution if enough minorities start yeling and screaming loud enough. He will probably not get a fair criminal trial. It will cost him loads of money. And even if he does win, he will likely be in fear for his life for the rest of his life. Then he will have to face a civil trial, which he WILL loose. Costing him even more money. The evidence will clear him in the crimanal trial and the court will rule against him in the civil trial just like OJ and just

Please see above correction. I Mister read the posts. Sorry

Well at the very least before you ho pick a fight with the person remember never to bring fists to a gun fight. Edited to remove bone head reading comprehension / phone issues. Doooh!

Do you actually think Zimmerman woke up that morning and said "I think I'm gonna kill me a black man today"? If you do you have some serious issues. And I guess my take on things has a whole lot more to it than your your feelings do huh? At least my beliefs are based on substantative evidence not just a hatred of all caucasions.

And there is truth to that. And by the same logic you could also say that if Martin had not apparantly doubled back and tried to get some street justice on Zimmerman, he would just as likely still be alive. But then let me ask you how many crimes have been stopped or solved by folks who take an active interest in their communities? Tens, hundreds, thousands or even more. What criminals need is for people to not care about their neighbors and / or be afraid to get involved.

Was Zimmerman still chasing Martin? That is a real good question. He says he was going back to his truck. Some say he was still chasing Martin. But we do have the 911 tapes from Zimmerman himself. Why do I believe he was returning to his truck after discontinuing his following of Martin? I'm glad you asked. Here is a copy of the pertinant part of the transcript. Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name? Zimmerman: George…He ran. Dispatcher: Alright George what's your last name? Zimmerman: Zimmerman Dispatcher: And George what's the phone number you're calling from? Dis

LOL GFH... You and I both know that and knew it then. The point was to get those on here who steadfastly refused to admit it was even a possibility a few months ago like AHjm2HHHeeemmmmm to actually admit that it happened. And as we can see they are still having a major issue with that aren't they? But still, let's refrain from calling Martin that. There is still the possibility that additional proof / evidence comes out that shows Zimmerman as the person that "laid hands on" first. It may be the case it may not. I do not have all the evidence and refuse to lay blame on either party yet. Unlik

I'm guessing you failed to read the link that I posted and specifically stated "shows Zimmerman returning to his truck" And you even had it in your quote of me! Dang dude / dudette... Exactly how dense are you? At least I read your links. And Zimmeman's comments and what they entailed about this are well known to anyone that has read anything about this. But here it is again http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/246445/19/George-Zimmerman-shooter-in-Trayvon-Martin-case You really aren't too good at making an arguement / case. If you can't at least get that much then you are totally not

I got the answer for you even though you have been very rude to me. While certain details remain a matter of heated disagreement, here's what we know: Neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman, 28, was driving his SUV though his Orlando-area neighborhood (known as the "Retreat at Twin Lakes") http://theweek.com/article/index/226211/the-trayvon-martin-case-a-timeline So again, I have only given facts or statements that specifically state they are not yet proven one way or the other. And even though I am dumb and a racist right?

I never said Martin in particular would have done that and you know it. You are only trying to obfuscate the matter with your own wild drama and assertions. You really are trying to make this about ANYTHING other than the facts aren't you. Why is that? Why is it that after 5 times now you still have not answered those two pesky little questions?

Again devils advocate... He WAS OUTSIDE at that point. NO MATTER WHAT HE DID OR WHERE HE WENT he was going to be outside for a little while longer goin exactly to wearever you think he should have gone. There was no way around that part other than for him to have never come out in the first place. Him exiting his truck to observe Martin was not not the wisest action but it is not illegal either. And if he had realized it was a bad idea all on his own and started to return to it and still got jumped then what? See this is where everthing gets all messed up. There are so many ifs, shouldas,

As I understand it he was leaving in his truck when he saw him. Do you have a problem with facts? You call me dumb and racist but will not even back it up with an explanation. I have not given anything but fact or a statement that specifically states something seems to be true but has not been proven. But in case you are interested there was a timeline in justme2's link that might confirm what I stated.

I claimed only that Zimmerman was injured. Is that true or not? I stated that the indicators are that Zimmerman was returning to his truck. I also said that is not provided as a verified fact at this point. And what verified fact does who's screaming is on the 911 tape make. You have totally lost me on that but then again we are only trying to determine in this post. But I'll go and read your link anyway. Do you think you can actually answer those two questions while I do? Did you claim Zimmerman was uninjured? Are you now willing to admit that at some point Martin physically assaulted

Forgive me for playing devil's advocate here but would he have been taking his cArcaSS back to his house in his truck or did you want him to walk back? Remember too, he told the police that he would meet THEM at his truck and gave its location. And indicators are that he was returning to his truck. It seems the only thing that we can definitively say in this regard is that had Zimmerman never left his home THEN Martin would likely still be alive.

Now that was quite the inteligent response now wasn't it. Please elaborarte on my racist remarks in this thread. I would love to see them and your thought process. As far as my actual knowledge of the law goes Cobb and Acworth PD As well as Georgia P.O.S.T. seemed to think I made a pretty good LEO before I switched to a different job. Again before you throw down the race card you better have your ducks in a row. So if you can not point to a single derogatory statement about Blacks (I had better include Hispanics here since Zimmerman was Hispanic / White) Then we will be forced to just real

Following is not a crime. The biggest question here is that of did he begin to return to his vehicle before being assaulted. No one is arguing whether or not he followed Martin at some point. I do not believe that Zimmerman was actually following Martin back to his own truck do you? Your concept of the size match up is off, Martin was no little tyke as some portray him to be, and he (Zimmerman) may have been doing what everyone is saying he should have been doing... RETURNING TO HIS TRUCK. Right now no absolute proof has been released on this either way.

That did not answer the questions. Did you say Zimmerman was uninjured? Do you now accept the fact that Zimmerman was indeed at some point physically assaulted by Martin? The first is a matter of record here. The second is quite obvious that you have made up your own little scenario of what took place that night. Even if 2 or 3 video tapes came out showing exactly what happened and that supported Zimmerman's claims and the "fact" that he was returning to his truck you would still refuse to acknowledge Martin's own contributions to this incident. I have never declared who was guilty of

Apparantly 5 times is still not enough... I am only dealing in facts so where is your EVIDENCE that DEFINITIVELY says he DID NOT listen to the dispatcher. Oh I'm sorry... right now there is NOTHING that does that one way or another that WE are privy to. All you are doing is making ASSumptions. Besides that... Did you say Zimmerman was uninjured? Do you now accept the fact that Zimmerman was indeed at some point physically assaulted by Martin?

That is not the necessarily true. Firstly the "scene" was moving and very large. Therefore it is difficult to say which scene you are actually referring to. The one where Zimmerman saw Martin acting "suspiciously"? The one where he was first told by 911 that he "did not need to follow him"? Where he lost sight of him? Or the one where the actual fight took place? If he had been following and turned around (and headed back towards his truck) after the dispatcher made their statement and he lost sight of Martin then he had done ALL that could be asked of him in that situation. Anything else begi

For the 5th time. I am only presenting facts and new facts at that. I have presented the evidence that shows Zimmerman had injuries contrary to what many on here were saying. Do you accept that as true. And again I WILL NOT SPECULATE NOR DEBATE Anything that is not backed up as fact with you at this point. Can I make that ANY MORE CLEAR to you? Now... Did you say that he was uninjured? Do you now accept that Zimmerman was indeed injured following an assault by Martin? I do not care to discuss ANYTHING other than that in MY TOPIC. Do you understand that?

You never do get it. That is why I am posting only KNOWN FACTS. Were you one of those that said there were no injuries on Zimmerman? Are you prepared to concede now that Zimmerman was indeed assaulted by Martin AT SOME POINT? I have not seen the autopsy report of Martin but from what I have heard there is nothing other than a bullet wound. When I have that info in hand WE can discuss EXACTLY who assaulted who first and that is what will settle this case. nothing else will matter in the long run. You can throw any ASSumptions you care to muster around, I refuse to debate anything other than pur