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Don't read too much into this "tearing the county apart" as once you get past the STOP ALL PROGRESS IN PAULDING group of at best the 20(+-), who show up at the meetings in their blue shirts and past Ms. Patti's website you really don't have an issue. If you go to a high traffic area say around Target in Hiram or up on Cedarcrest at a strip center...better than 1/2 the folks you talk with DON'T even know we have an airport much less an issue with it.
Ask the question as follows...If you had a choice of driving to Hartsfield / Jackson to fly to a vacation destination such as Biloxi, Myrtle Beach, or Las Vegas or driving a few miles up 278 and flying out of Paulding County...which would you prefer to do? You will quickly see the support the Airport actually has. I have actually done this several times and had extremely positive responses!
There are a lot of relevant questions to be answered by key people in this county.
Until there is a venue where those questions are answered openly and honestly nothing will change.
What is happening now will only make lawyers richer and the tax payers not only broker but distrustful of the leadership in this county and those they appoint to key positions.
As I said before elections will not change the fact that the airport needs to be successful and we now have a signed contract with Propeller.
The lack of effort to be open and explain the position of the county as it pertains to the airport is the biggest part of the problem.
If one believes what they are doing is right then they should be able to face their critics.
The goal is to make the airport a success, it is apparent that we have a very small handful to be severely impacted. I have yet to see any concern for those few people and it concerns me. We all know that it is morally long to do that to those people.
So one thought follows the other in what else or who else is not considered to be important.
We look for good and moral judgment in our leadership. If you ask the question of these people differently about the airport, if they feel that the county should not assist those severely impacted you might get a very different answer.
This is the leg the anti folk stand on and it is a strong leg. One that seems to be dismissed out of hand.
Let the AA, the IBA or the county buy these properties and try to sell them at a profit if they don't believe these people are being done wrong.
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Since you come down on the side of the pro group what compromise do you propose?
My only concern is for the homeowners that will be severely impacted by the large planes.
There has to be a way to distinguish severity.
I know there is also a business up there that will be negatively impacted.
If the money has not already been paid to the lawyers it will be before it is over. These people can be bought out.
It is starting to look like to me that lawyers are running this county with the only consequences for their advice being a bigger payday.
As we all know the law is not always moral.
The law does however leave a lot of room for people to act in a moral way.
This is what we expect of elected officials.
Something that should always be remembered no amount of money will re-elect a person if they can not win a popular vote.
How you treat people also makes a huge difference in their support for endeavors.
Turning your back on their concerns or disrespecting them will never turn out well.
There are true laws of human behavior some of the things done were a guarantee that there would be problems.
There needs to be some very basic changes made in the way things are done, then a town meeting with both sides carefully explaining their concerns and intents. Then people need to appoint people to sit down and start a compromise.
It still amazes me that our county sees money spent on lawyers as better spent than individuals that have been truly harmed by the action of some.
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I would like to see compromise.
It is going to be difficult if not impossible.
I have seen it happen before that when you have a cause you will take any support you can get.
A compromise can not address the many reasons that people are on this band wagon.
Some truly want that airport gone and to fail.
I don't see that we can compromise with those folks.
Some want us to remain a small bedroom community and don't want anymore building of anything.
I can see no compromise in that.
There are those that are politically motivated and want commissioners removed and want others in their places.
They won't compromise either.
We have people that believe that their quality of life will be ruined by commercial flight close to their homes.
There is room for compromise there, something along the lines of buying them out and allowing them to relocate in exchange for dropping the lawsuit.
I am pretty sure there would have to be a pretty good size bond to make that happen.
Would there be public out cry against having to pay that much out?
I don't see a single solution to the multiple issues, so there is no single solution that allows the airport to function successfully.
An airport is only successful when many planes fly in and out of it. The bigger the planes, the higher the value, the more tax the county collects.
It is damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.
We have come to far to do nothing.
There should have been a town hall meeting scheduled as soon as possible.
I don't know if there is still room for that or if it would make a difference.
I am sad that this issue is tearing this county a apart. I am sad that many have lost faith in the commissioners that I still hold in high regard.
Some of the criticism they have earned, but it is never too late to go to your constituents and say that hindsight is 20/20 and I wish we would have done it differently.
To quote Tommy Graham "I think you got some bad advice"
It is still up to the commissioners to make that airport a success that pays for itself. They may have to go about it differently but they still have to do that.
There is a lot of talk about replacing post commissioners in the next election.
People need to think long and hard because the task set before them will still be to make it a success. I certainly hope that among all the anti group that they have a compromise in mind that will allow that airport to be successful.
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I appreciated Mr. Carmicheal's words that he truly believes that they were not doing anything wrong.
It is the responsibility of those commissioners to turn that airport around.
I think the first question they should ask is why has it floundered for so many years and how do you turn it around.
The goal of the IBA is to create jobs, not just any jobs, they certainly can not spend money on retail and restaurants due to the fact that they don't produce well paying jobs.
Assisting the airport with funding to create jobs is well within their mission.
The BOC focuses on the collecting and spending of tax dollars to benefit the citizens. It is also well within their mission to see the airport prepared for planes to be registered to the county.
The AA authority is to make the decisions that will allow these goals to be achieved.
We need that airport to be successful.
We may very well need the legislation to be amended.
I have no issue with that specifically, at least until we see exactly what the wording is that will be voted on.
But, this is where I have an issue.
We have boards for a reason. They serve a good purpose in that nobody is solely responsible for the decisions made and of course 5,7,10, brains are better than 1.
I watched the video and it sounded to me as though there was time for all these boards to receive a copy of this drafted legislation. It could have even been emailed to all and voted on in their meetings.
I understand getting the notice in the paper as soon as possible. What prevented a mass email to all on these boards after the phone call to Mr. Maxwell.
It is disturbing that any single person would have so much power or the level of trust invested in them that they can use council paid by the taxpayer to change legislation and have the blind support of all the people on the most powerful boards in our county.
I am not inclined to blame the person making the decisions,
It is the boards that have invested the power.
I understand the people on these boards have lives and jobs but it does not excuse them from knowing all the pertinent details before supporting any decisions that effect the tax payers of this county.
I would be even more disturbed to find they voted for it without the exact wording in front of them.
I remain supportive of the airport being successful on some level.
So far I remain supportive of out leadership, but I want to know that these boards are doing what they are intrusted to do. They are not intended to give leadership to a single person and blindly support that persons decisions.
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My condolences to Jon and Jan.
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My name is George Pennebaker. I am a lawyer located in Paulding County Dallas GA. I do handle all types of injury cases. When injury victims have been hit by a DUI driver I have gotten great results.
I also handle TBI or traumatic brain injury cases. One thing I like about this type of work is that I do not charge a retainer fee or deposit. Not one penny. I also like that the more I get for my clients, the more I get for myself. That is a great incentive!
George you are the most caring personal injury lawyer I have ever met.
You only take cases that you are passionate about the injured party.
Not too many like you left these days.
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Welcome to Paulding.com! We attended a game a few years ago and thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Our condolences to the Lang family.
Dr.and Mrs Frank Penney
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Another weekend shopping reminder, they were supposed to get in a big shipment this week!
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ON THANKSGIVING?????Realy
You need to look at your calendar, this is tomorrow. I hope you aren't thawing your turkey today
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Golden Corral is also open.
I turkey and dressing at lunch there today, it was pretty good.
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It looks like there may be a nitch here. They cut routes and jobs but at the same time lobby against any other airports expanding traffic and service.
Delta Air Lines plans to cut its Memphis flight schedule again and 312 jobs to curb what it calls unprofitable flying in and out of the western Tennessee city.
The Atlanta-based carrier said 126 airport customer service and cargo employees will be affected, as well as 186 flight attendants.
Not surprised, I am a frequent flyer to Memphis. I started taking flights with Airtran on a regular basis under 150 round trip. The Memphis airport looked like ghost town.
They are pulling out and Northwest is taking over, it is a little more expensive and you can not get a non-stop flight. You can get one for Delta round trip for close to 400.
Fed ex is based there. They recently built a parking garage for fed-ex employees bigger than the airport.
Memphis was a growing city that because of it's central location became a huge distribution point.
Memphis is an example of taking companies and Economic development for granted.
Surrounding cities in Ark. and Miss. whre more than happy to offer companies sweet deals to come in.
They lost a huge Navel Air station in Millington where my dad lives. It was a devastating blow to the local economy. There had been plans to build an interstate that basically paralleled the Mississippi up to Missouri, the people fought it, most of the land was sold for residential development and it has become cost prohibitive after 20 years.
It is hard to go there and see all the empty leases. The city council has finally gotten it together on economic development, but it may be too little too late. Most of the residents drive to Memphis to work. They just completed a by pass that allows residents in the more northern counties to by-pass the town. My dad lives on SS and the property taxes go up every year to try and maintain the services.
Public housing has taken over most of the old base housing, not good.
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I do too.
Now come on, can't we poke at Gary a little
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Less than 2 yrs. Whoever it is, it's just pitiful. :sigh:
That was a preliminary estimate when I ask him to confirm that it was not an artifact.
It was based on what could be seen on the site. The actual age will be determined by the GBI lab. Weather and insects can make a big difference.
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Hopefully a family out there will get some closure.
The sad part is that a high percent of murders are committed by someone the victim knows or is related to. Most likely someone is also going to be very afraid because the body was discovered.
When was the jaw bone and body found? Was this today? I know you said you "just" talked to the Sheriff but, I was just curious as to when this was actually found.
It was within the last few days, I interrupted his hunting trip so I did not keep him on the phone very long.
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Like I said before, not one of you people on the west side bitched one time about the East Hiram Parkway. That was coming through MY backyard and was something that would make life better for YOU.
Hell, I might buy me an airplane.
Can I have a ride? hu can I can I? pretty please?
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I just spoke with Sheriff Gulledge.
A human jaw bone was found by a hunter in the Dabbs bridge area.
He called the sheriff and the body of a women was found in a shallow grave in the back of an unfinished subdivision.
The body is believed to have been in the grave for less than 2 years.
The body was turned over to the pathology division of the GBI.
Area law enforcement will be checking missing person reports to try and identify the body..
Sheriff Gulledge will update us when they have more information.
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Make up your mind, either it is a bad idea because it will probably be successful and too many planes will fly in and out. Or it is a bad idea because it is doomed to fail.
I like it better than spending the same amount of money on new hires for the local government that we provide benefits to until they die.
I really don't care about what Jerry did, I care about economic development. I have never wavered from that. I am not going to change my mind because of political wrangling. I see it for what it is.
I thought that was what they voted on during the meeting that was on tape.
Another thing I want to add is that large companies are going to bring in more powerful people, I don't see that commissioners or the IBA acting too afraid of that. I think if the good ole boy system was that strong they would work hard to keep any bigger fish out of their pond as they did many years ago.
Don't get me wrong, their are some players I think need to go because it is the good ole boy system run amok. I think some new blood is exactly what is needed.
I htought they voted on the contract with Silver Comet, no one really knows but them now do they?? And Todd was not involved in that vote, it was the Airport Authority, not the Commission meeting. I can however see why you could be confused about that.
They are voting on 7+ million in bonds on Tuesday, 10/23. It's on the agenda.
Should I request to speak and give my approval
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Me too!! Polk & Floyd County gets lots of my money these days.
What part about not telling the WHOLE truth is not a lie? No mom, I did not break that today!! hehehe (I broke it yesterday)
We're upset because for 30 years we've been told, "IT WILL BRING JOBS, GOOD PAYING JOBS", they lied then and they are lying now. Just like the airport wasn't going to cost us a DIME!! FAA money was building it and it would pay for itself!!
Now we're hearing, "We have to do something, it's costing the taxpayers a lot of money". It's here, why not inconvenience the West Side of the county like we did the East side. Who cares about those people. There aren't enough of them to really make a difference.............
It gets old, the GOB network is alive and well.
Who has read that lease with Silver Comet LLC? It would behoove you to read it.
Now I want to know where Propeller Investments has had a successful endeavor.
LPPT, you do realize we are still in a deep recession, there just aren't a whole bunch of people with the money to move businesses to Paulding County. And those passengers that will be landing here, where exactly are they going to go and HOW are they going to get there?
Same Sh*t Different Day. While those Good Ole Boys get richer and richer with more and more playgrounds at the taxpayer expense. Remember all those subdivisions Jerry and his crew approved voted him out of office. This is not the same Paulding County it was 10 years ago, people are fed up with the Good Ole Boys.
Make up your mind, either it is a bad idea because it will probably be successful and too many planes will fly in and out. Or it is a bad idea because it is doomed to fail.
I like it better than spending the same amount of money on new hires for the local government that we provide benefits to until they die.
I really don't care about what Jerry did, I care about economic development. I have never wavered from that. I am not going to change my mind because of political wrangling. I see it for what it is.
Bueler? Anyone?? What are the bonds they are voting on Tuesday?? You know the 7 million + bonds??
I thought that was what they voted on during the meeting that was on tape.
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Laura, Each one of the above-mentioned statements are laughable.
1st. In the video of the heated exchange between David Austin and Todd Pownall, Mr. Austin said Todd was notified of the deal. Ding Ding Ding. Lie #1
2nd. Are you serious when you say the 4 commissioners won't personally benefit? Ever heard of campaign contributions? I suspect each of the 4 airport support will benefit immensely. Lie #2
3rd. Selfish? The airport only benefits very few well connected individuals. Former Speaker Richardson worked out a deal at the state level to ram this airport up our nose even though Paulding County voters turned it down. The chairman must think it's selfish for homeowners near the airport wanting peace and tranquility. If a 737 was flying over your house, you'd sing a different tune. Bottom line is not only was the public kept in the dark about a secret deal, the district commissioner was intentionally kept in the dark. This is Business as usual in good ol' boy (Austin) County. ... I'm surprised they haven't tried to change our name from Paulding County to Austin County seeing how the Austin family treats the public like they are royalty and the rest of us are peons.
I don't agree with any of that except that Todd was kept in the dark.
It looks as though he was done a favor politically by doing it.
There is no way to keep the rich and powerful from benefiting, you just exchange one set of rich and powerful.
I don't approve of everything, but I know I approve of economic development. If anything I am negative on the park in front of the courthouse, I am not into tax money going into more of those type things.
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Surpringly I have agreed with you many times recently. But on the Court House Complex I totally disagree with you. $65,000,000.00 was outlandish before ground was broken.
I suggested a plan to buy property around the original downtown complex, teardown several old buildings and houses, reroute 2 streets, build a new courthouse, build a connected parking deck with covered walk ways to all buildings and remodel the 3 existing buildings for no more than $40,000,000.00. I could never get past Pat Crook to offer my proposal. I even tried to talk to Jerry Shearin in public and cound not get the time of day.
Several things I would like to draw your attention too;
• The new complex's quality is very lacking compared to other buildings in the region costing similar amounts. Walk the Douglasville Court House then ours and make your own notes about quality.
• The new complex is laid out to offer curb side access to Jerry Shearins buddies while the commoners have the same (or longer) distance to walk as in the downtown location. Walk yourself and count people in the curb side offices against all other departments. Renew a tag then get a court document and compare your own steps to performing the same steps in the old complex.
• I forecast the downtown Admin Building / Wynn Building will be required to be torn down within 5 years if the college does not start maintaining the building we gifted to them. Ride by and see the exterior trim starting to fall off for yourself.
Why does this decision effect industrial growth at the airport unless it is the insinuation that nothing any Paulding commissioners decide to do is right.
A lot of our county buildings were in bad shape, the old BOE is in horrible shape, it looks like a broken down pre-fab. When you expect to collect taxes on 1000's of homes that cost over 250,000 thousands it looks like a good time to repair or replace. You have to take every decision into the context it was made.
Nobody points out the money that was saved on the library and fire station when this administration took over.
Most of the people have no vision for this community because 80% of them work outside of it. They only want convenient shopping and restaurants. This county had been in a sharp downward spiral up until about 2008, it started turning around with the new commission.
This is nothing but politics that frames everything in a bad light to further a group of people's political ambitions.
The yard stick is does it benefit the majority of residents and just a minority.
This measures up as a minority that hates that airport and wants it to fail.
Since the election last year there has been criticism of everything this commission does.
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As far as I am concerned the only reason people are angry is because secrecy stopped any chance of derailing this deal.
When you drive down 278 recognize that much of what you see there was kept a secret sometimes up to a year until the paper work was signed and that is going to be true for every new industry and manufacturing we see.
As far as I am concerned it is a division between pro-growth/jobs and the I like it the way it is.
Nobody was directly lied to, they simply were not told about a deal in the works. It is hard to figure out who is who, the anti airport and the you lied folks because both are accomplishing the goals of anti Austin administration and anti airport.
Who is going to stand up for the people that want to see the airport commercially viable and the growth of the local economy.
I don't have a problem with the airport deal, I am willing to give everything a chance. Business is about risk, there is a chance that anything the IBA does could fail. There is no such thing as success without failure.
Everyone of our Commissioners have run their own businesses and understand this.
If it weren't for the risk takers nobody reading this would have a job.
There task for this county is recovery, not starting from scratch but making the best of years of bad decisions and dealing with a massive amount of distrust when it comes to citizens.
None of those commissioners will personally benefit from what they did which was to guard a secret for a year from Delta and Mayor Reed.
Had it not required secrecy everyone of them would have still voted to pass the bonds for this, just as Todd did.
You have the opportunity next year to vote in people that will concentrate on using your tax dollars to pay for nothing but county business, do away with furloughs and decide what your millage rate will be.
They will decide were to build the new schools, fire stations ect. They know where the money comes from and if you are struggling to pay your bills and taxes, it really in not their problem they simply have to keep the government in the black with your tax dollars.
I know that my opinion is unpopular right now.
I have a vision of our community for the future and I watch to see if what they are doing is inline with that.
I want to see 10's of 1000's of jobs here with above average wages. I want to see prosperous families. I want to see opportunity for home grown entrepreneurs here.
I don't see selfish decisions being made that only benefit a minority.
Every decision is about jobs for our people.
They know what their goal is and every decision is measured against that yard stick.
The goal is not for this to remain a bedroom community where the local government is the largest employer and is sustained by taxing the residents.
We already have 10's of thousands of jobs here, the growth in the wage retail, restaurant sector grows every day. You never hear a single complaint about that growth. At some point 278 east is going to have every inch right up to the city of Atlanta packed with low wage earners, doesn't bother people in the least. Industry with good paying jobs on West 278 causes an uproar.
The commissioners can surprise me with large manufacturing companies out there anytime they want, I don't care if they keep it secret for 2 years.
Every business that locates out at that airport is going to cause an uproar by those that hate the airport.
We are making the choice to either grow the economy with our tax dollars or grow the local government with them.
I know where I stand and that is with the IBA I want manufacturing and economic growth.
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Great observations, thank you.
I could be wrong but....... saying Mr. Pownall was intentionally kept in the dark probably isn't helping anyone.
It helps Todd, he did not have to make any unpopular decisions unless you include the yes vote for the bonds on this project.
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1. What makes you think that propeller will hire anyone from Paulding county? I doubt
if there is anything in the contract that says they have to hire locally.
We are not looking for propeller to grow into a huge carrier here. We are looking for a company that can pay the bills and attract manufacturing not more commercial flights.
2. If you think the people that are living on food stamps and hand outs are going
to land a job servicing jets or doing anything technical at the airport, you need
to wake up and smell the roses. If we had put the amount of money that went to
the airport project in schools some of these people could have jobs.
I am insulted that you claim the 47% of our students parents are deadbeats. These are people that are struggling against a very high cost of living trying to make ends meet.
Again we are targeting manufacturing. By the way a lot of our people do have the training for those jobs, they are already working at Hartsfield.
The airport is here, why keep going back to the same old if they had not built it.
3. Just how quick do you think there will be jobs? There is a airport
in Cartersville, and I haven't seen any industry near it yet after the 30+
years I have lived here.
Cartersville is covered up in manufacturing and the small corporate jets used by those people are in and out of that airport all the time.
4. The furloughs are because of the court house that was also passed without any
input from the people in the county, and because of the money spent on the airport.
Rehashing everything from the old administration. We don't have the luxury of doing nothing unless you want to pay higher property taxes.
It cost us the taxpayers to take of a bedroom community. Schools, roads, emergency services the price goes up every year.
It is just crazy to sit here and have a conversation that is anti job growth after what we and the country are going through.
I 2010 our unemployment was almost 15% some of those families are still trying to catch up and some never will because they were forced to take jobs in Paulding.
As far as the courthouse goes it's like saying I would not have bought that new car if I had known I was going to be laid off next year.
The courthouse was not outlandish when you looked at the rate of growth we were experiencing. If we do nothing in case the economy goes bad we will never do anything.
Full video of last night
in Paulding County NEWS
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Pubby I know you have taken a lot of grief and down right animosity over the years for being a democrat.
As far as I am concerned we are seeing the fundamental difference between the democrat and the republican very close to home.
The republican listens to the lawyer and the democrat listens to the people.
Our laws are constantly being manipulated by those that have the money to pay lawyers to pass the laws that serve sometimes the interest of the single person or corporation.
This airport needs to be successful in this community. The success of the housing boom was beneficial to many of the people here.
Somebody has to take the majority of the people into consideration when making decisions without destroying the minority.
If our leaders worked 1/2 as hard to take care of the handful of severely impacted people at the airport we would not have the problems we are facing.
The trust seems to have simply evaporated in the face of this last fiasco.