[WHEN suicide bombers strike here, what will you do?]

Personally I don’t think they are going to hit us with a suicide bomb. That is too quick to fade into memory and this day and time has no effect on anyone but those folks and their family that were directly involved. Just look at 9-11, Oklahoma City, Ted Kaczynski and Columbine; mass killings just do not have the ‘personal” effect of instilling terror.

I think that we are looking at a situation similar to the one in Beslan. I predict a splinter group of independent Muslim terrorist will take control of an elementary school in the rural Midwest, in an area isolated from rapid response intervention by law enforcement by distance. They will kill the adult males in the group immediately. After this they will make their demands and start loping off heads of children and throwing them out of the windows at specified time intervals. CNN and FOX will have this in everyone’s living room in no time. The American public will be horrified at this atrocity, but what they don’t know is compared to what is happening to the children inside, death is a welcome fate, as video taken by these terrorist will later reveal. After this incident there will not be a parent in the country that will EVER rest easy sending their child to a school.

 

Their goal is to strike us where it will do the most damage to our psyche, everyone knows that messing with our children is the best way to accomplish that goal.

 

 

Sound harsh? Reality bytes. It CAN happen here, it is not a matter of IF it is a matter of when. THEY ARE HERE FOLKS, THEY ARE PLOTtING AS WE SPEAK.

Would allowing school faculty to carry arms help? I don’t know, ask those that survived the Beslan siege.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Excerpt from unitedstatesaction.com

 

Our Hope, Our Children, Our Responsibility in Fighting Jihad

 

As children return to schools, we are reminded that they are our hope for the future, but they are also the target of Islamic supremacists around the world. We need to defend the future, hopes, and lives of these children, and assume the "grown-up" duty as responsible adults for defending them from the ideology of Islamic supremacism and Jihadist terrorism.

 

On September 1, 2004, 770 children were kidnapped by Jihadists in Russia in a small town of Beslan. It was a return to school for these children at Beslan School Number One; the event was celebrated as a "Day of Knowledge," and parents accompanied their children in the joyous return to school. After lining up for photographs to remember the day, children entered the school. So did Jihadists who rushed into Beslan School Number One, while the children were filing into classes. Many of the older children who saw the Jihadists were able to flee. Most of those left behind were the smallest, youngest children, including parents with their babies. Jihadists sought to lure back confused children, uncertain if they should flee, with candy.

 

Jihadists then forced 1,124 hostages into a small school gymnasium which was wired with explosives in the school's basketball hoop and a dozen other bombs in the Beslan school; they mined the school with grenades, home-made explosives, and landmines, keeping the most powerful bombs in the gym where the children were kidnapped. Some Jihadists also wore explosive suicide vests. They told the children that were going to die. In the small confined space, children suffered from heat and some were forced to strip naked from the heat. Without food and water for three days, some were forced to drink their own urine. The few male adults (including children's fathers) also captured by the Jihadists were forced to build fortifications in the school for the Jihadists; then they shot them and dumped their bodies out a school window. The Jihadists recorded a video of their atrocities (shown in the film "Three Days in September"), laughing and proud of what they had done.

 

On September 3, 2004, after three days of being terrorized by these Jihadists, 186 of these children were killed, some killed by Jihadist bomb explosions, some shot in the back by Jihadists. Some fled from the schoolhouse streaked with blood as the Jihadist bomb explosions brought the Russian military into a firefight with the Jihadists. Many more children were injured, lost limbs, and were seriously wounded physically and emotionally. By September 4, 2004, children's bodies were lined along the ground outside the Beslan school house, plastic bags covering the bodies, as mothers and fathers sought to find their lost children to know if they were among the dead or wounded evacuated to hospitals. The children had just been going to school. It was a day just like today.

 

Days after the Beslan atrocities by Jihadists, some believed that the magnitude of the atrocity against helpless children would rouse the sleeping conscience of civilization. The London Times' William Rees-Mogg stated on September 4, 2004 that "Beslan is Russia's 9/11: it will change the world," stating that:

"One must not underestimate the sheer impact of the horror of the event itself. It is something people find very hard to contemplate. The people who planned this massacre are every bit as evil as the people who planned Pearl Harbor or 9/11, or as the SS men who ran Auschwitz. There is a blank horror about what they did to young children which fortunately has few parallels in the history of evil. It is important to hold onto that because the world's sense of horror will influence everything that will follow."

 

But in fact, the Jihadist atrocity against Beslan's helpless children did not "change the world," or even wake up many of the so-called "foreign policy experts" who live in denial on the ideology of Islamic supremacism. Moreover, the atrocities of Islamic supremacists against children did not end with Beslan. In fact, the denial of such "foreign policy experts" on Jihad only grows more entrenched, and the Islamic supremacist crimes against humanity in perverting, corrupting, and murdering children continue.

[WHEN suicide bombers strike here, what will you do?]

they may differ but since the suicide bomber type is but a small subset of all muslims ... lets say one in one-hundred thousand ... that would suggest that we'd run out of wacko Muslims in the US in in about two or three weeks if they went on a spree.

 

Now if wackos like Timothy McVeigh were just one in a million ... and I'm really being conservative here ... give there are that many more blond haired blue eyed guys here in the US, we could be looking at a long year.

 

See TOW, there are maybe 1.5 - 2 million Muslims in the US from the Middle East and most of them live pretty comfortable lives. Now there are tens to hundreds of millions of Arab Muslims in the Middle East and most live on an annual income of about $1100 (average) and many are in real poverty meaning ... yep, freedom to blow one's self up is just another word for nothing left to lose.

 

The incidence of people willing to take their lives by C4 drops dramatically when you've got a full belly, a widescreen LCD, a sleep number bed and airconditioning. Now, all that aside, the DC sniper put on a pretty good terrorist game ... he and the kid shooting out the trunk of that mid-80's chevy... and then there was the white guy ... church go-er, politically active military subcontracting scientist ... who sent out the weaponized anthrax to all the news guys and Democratic Leadership ... Yep, he was more that Timothy McVeigh type and his motives are still a bit hazy ... as in could he have been working on orders? Yep, the anthrax guy really screwed up my ebay business at the time ... couldn't ship nothing anywhere without it taking forever.

 

Oh, and McVeigh, the DC sniper and the Anthrax guy were all native born Americans whom ... yes ... all were former military or worked for the military. Hummm I guess you wouldn't expect that kind of mass killing out of a regular civilian, huh.

 

pubby

 

<<HUMMMM....... WCSO reads this, ponders obamanomics, stimulus plan, folks losing jobs left and right, economy in a downward spiral spin, people hocking their plasma/lcd TVs and sleep number beds just to pay the rent, relying on government charity for food. WCSO Looks at Pubbys statement again…………………>>

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<<<WCSO RUNNING FOR THE HILLS>>>>

[Man Beaten On Cobb County Hiking Trail]

If just one "victim" would be packing and kill some thug bassturd that attacks them, this would stop!

 

 

 

 

 

HINT HINT!

 

yeeeah, what TOW said.

[Flying with Dog]

 

"What in the world is wrong with you folks today??"

 

 

 

 

[Flying with Dog]

 

Sure, all dogs like to fly.

 

 

 

[Sheriff stops traffic on 278]

Oh you mighty powerful you.....Mr. I am so bad a$$ and cover the whole state of Florida. For the record... I have a few very good friends that are cops, and have been for many years, and they don't act like you, with a permanent corn cob stuck up your @$$. People like you are the ones that give ALL OF THEM a bad reputation.

 

The good old boy attitude is alive and well here and in many other states and that is what I see as a problem, different rules for different people. There are many law enforcement guys that follow and apply the law, yes I understand discretion, but when your discretion changes into officers making their own laws, on the spot.....well I see a problem with that.

 

Like I said, we will probably never know the full story, but as far as I know, it is not legal to drive an ATV on a public street, correct me if I am wrong on that.

 

As for your advice, if we ever meet and the encounter goes to hell, I will take it up the chain of command, unless of course if you are in bed with them.... in that case, I will just add you to the always growing list of @$$wipes.

 

To the law enforcement people - the majority - that follow the rules with common sense, kudos...... To the ones that think that they are above the law, KARMA is a b1tch and will eventually bite you in the @$$...

 

 

 

I do not nor have I ever “made up” my own laws. The states attorney would not appreciate it if I submitted paperwork charging under anything but state statute. In 22+ years of doing this job not ONCE have I ever been written up, disciplined or reprimanded for ANYTHING, so I must be doing something right.

 

Obviously you did not read all of my post in this thread. My post were in reference to people pulling up on me at a scene and injecting themselves or just being nosy, and the issues it causes for law enforcement officers. It appears it is you who has a corn cob inserted. Instead of reading all of the post and responding with a “reasonable” response or question, you come back with accusations of inappropriate behavior, corn cobs and name calling, typical of folks like you. If you do ever happen to run in to me in Florida and it does go south it will be by your own doing. Disregard a lawful order from me on a scene and it will go south; I will take every legal option up to and including placing you under physical arrest if it comes to that. The courts in my experience have little sympathy for someone charged with obstructing an officer. As far as the administration goes “in bed with them”? I think not; I stay as far away from admin as I can. But if I am called on the carpet because of some whiney Joe Public that got his/her feelings hurt because he didn’t get his way on my scene and wasn’t able to bully or coerce me by threat of “going to the sheriff” I am prepared to back up my actions, been there done that many times. You wouldn’t be the first and probably not the last.

 

Please specify exactly what it is I have said in this thread or any other thread for that matter that gives you this notion “People like you are the ones that give ALL OF THEM a bad reputation”. Failure on your part to give a coherent, lucid, factual and reasonable response will be proof positive that you have no clue as to what you are talking about and indeed it is you with the corn cob issue.

[Words to a song that you've always screwed up]

Transformers - robots in da' skies

 

I asked that girl why she was so fly, she said funky Coleman heater.

 

My baby takes the morning train, he works from nine to five and then, he takes my mother home again...

 

Everybody in a wholesale frock, was dancing to the jailhouse rock

 

If I can't have you, I don't want this ugly baby.

 

 

[Abuse or parenting?]

So the other day I was in the store, and a mom was checking out her purchases. Her kid who looked to be about 5ish, either threw or dropped a bottle of juice which popped open and spilled over the floor. The mom grabbed the kids hand, yelled at him and smacked him on the hands a few times. The kid then started crying and crawling on the floor picking up some coins he dropped.

 

Myself, I thought he won't do that again. Other people looked either upset or somewaht uncomfortable at what happened. What would your thoughts have been on that?

 

 

“Pardon me madam, you can borrow my belt”

[Any Ham radio operators on P-Com]

Just wondering??

 

 

 

Not licensed but I worked under my uncles call for years WA4VDP(legally). Been considering taking the test now that I can do it without code. It appears to me though it is a dying art. Last time I had 2m up it was dead. Last time I was on the west coast with 2m it sounded more like channel 19 at a truck stop, pretty sad.

[Need advice ASAP please]

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I am afraid of what deposit they will come back out with.

 

Knowing kids

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[Sheriff stops traffic on 278]

I think it's the 'good ol' boy' system that pisses me off-maybe that's where I get most angry-anyway-I think the amount of 4-wheelers in Paulding County that run on public roads is absolutely ridiculous.

 

 

Well I don’t work in Paulding but we have more than our share of them in my county. Besides the ones that deliberately tear up the roads, the ones that absolutely refuse to respect property rights of others are the ones that I tend to hammer on. The mentality of some folks; that it is ok to cut fences, disturb livestock and crops, destroy established hay fields or property in general is just beyond me.

[Need advice ASAP please]

Ok hubby just had surgery today---so he is out of it I can't ask him. But I guess the kids have flushed something down the toliet, it is stopped up and won't unclog . What do I need to do??????? TIA

 

 

Send the kids to retrieve whatever they deposited.

[Sheriff stops traffic on 278]

It's the *winks* that cause a lot of problems. If I were speeding-I would expect to get a ticket. Period. If I break a law-I would expect punishment. Too many 'winks' and 'let go's' leads to an awful lot of repeat offenders.

 

 

Although you would expect the ticket, you would appreciate the break would you not?

 

 

It is the *wink winks* that separate our civilian form of law enforcement from a tyrannical form of government enforcement. I am able to, in certain situations apply the spirit of the law Vs the letter, which I think most would agree this is a good thing..

 

It is not perfect, nor are those of us in this profession but I would much prefer our form of enforcement over heavy handed tyranny any day.

[Sheriff stops traffic on 278]

Exactly what I was thinking. It's obvious nobody knows what the deal was... whether or not a citation was issued or not, etc..

 

Let's also add one other thing... Even if the deputy did in fact write a citation, he can't just turn the people loose to ride home.

If he did and they got hit, guess who'd be blamed for it? The deputy would be.

You'd be hearing people whine and moan, "well the deputy should have never let them ride after he wrote them a ticket..." etc, etc, etc.

 

Whether or not the deputy wrote a citation or not, to keep from being sued, he is most likely going to escort the people to a safe place/home.

 

It absolutely amazes me how many people jump to conclusions and post blame when they have no clue as to what the situation was

or what was going on. Good grief.

 

 

It goes something like this. “ ok Mr. Doe here is your citation for (insert traffic law concerning operation of 4 wheelers here). NOW you can’t operate that thing on the roads it is against the law “wink wink”, I would suggest you call someone to come pick it up and take it home for you” wink wink”. Well I got another call, gotta go, be safe.” <Deputy gets in car and goes to other side of county/zone quickly> <4wheeler driver gets on cell phone until deputy is out of site then proceeds to ride 4wheeler home, get on PCOM and complain about police harassing him while he was just trying to have a good time with his kid. “aint there more important thangs to wory bout other than harasin citizens that aint hurtin no body, OH wait they need revenoo.”>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ooops did I just type that out loud????

 

[Sheriff stops traffic on 278]

My issue with this is--

1) People-it is ILLfreakin'LEGAL to use a four-wheeler on public roads like where this situation was

2) Because it is ILLEGAL-I don't care if it was his mom-he should've cited them. Law is law-and they were breaking it. But hey, that's just MO.

 

 

Well we do have discretion in these things. I hope you have at one time or another been a benefactor of our ability to exercise this. Warning for speed maybe? If you haven’t I am sure you will be at some point because we do more often than not exercise our discretion in favor of a good person who just happened to slip up on the traffic rules a bit. My job is to bring the infraction to your attention and gain voluntary compliance through education, if I can do this without a citation I will take that option. Not to mention we don’t know in this 4wheeler case, perhaps he had already written the citations??

[Question for Police Offiers....]

Donk.....

 

In case you didn't know, this is a donk.

 

Paulding county donk???

[Question for Police Offiers....]

Donk.....

 

In case you didn't know, this is a donk.

 

 

 

You mean there are folks out there that don’t know what a donk is?

 

 

 

 

 

wannabee donk

 

[Question for Police Offiers....]

i didnt mean in any way that we wouldnt be obligated to stop, just that as a courtesy (for lack of a better word) to the officer, to signal to let them know that you do intend to stop and are looking for a safe place to do so. that way they wont think you are just ignoring them or not wanting to stop.

 

 

OH I understood what you were saying, and it does help, and that way at least we have some sort of acknowledgment that a person has seen us. But as I also posted some will use that “courtesy” in attempt to evade/delay enforcement action.

The deal with the guy in the incident mentioned prior thought if he crossed from Cherokee into Cobb we would not be able to take action (because we were no longer “in our juristiction") and used what he had been told was a “legal” way to prevent enforcement action against him.

 

What is meant by Profiling vehicles by law enforcement ? I heard this being talked about in a restaurant (yeah I was being nosey)

 

 

"If it is a “donk” it has to have drugs in it so stop it." (A little hyperbole )

 

It is a lot more technical than that. You are just looking for tail tell signs that are common in vehicles that transport narcotics.

[Question for Police Offiers....]

i was told to use my blinkers to signal that i intend to pull over when it is safe.

This helps, but still does not relieve you of the legal obligation to yield (pull over) when signaled to do so by LEO. Back in the 8Os there was an urban legend that if you had your hazards on, LEO could not stop you. Well we chased one all the way from Woodstock to Marietta with his hazards on. After we stopped him and he was in custody he stated that he was going to Kennestone because his girl friend was in labor. He stated that he heard that it was unlawful for LEOs to stop someone with their hazards on because in indicated an emergency situation. He learned the hard way.

[Question for Police Offiers....]

I've been seeing quite a few people pulled over for what I guess are traffic violations. Sometimes it seems as if the person pulled over right when the officer turned on their lights and other times as if they just look for the most dangerous spot. The first time I ever got pulled over I was guilty of stopping in that spot...but the 2nd and 3rd time (nope, no 4th. I've learned my lessons - stay out of Villa Rica j/k) I waited to pull over until I thought the area was safe for both the officer as well as myself.......with that said....is there a right and wrong time/place to pull over?

 

Also, I was told by an officer at one time that if there was any question as to if the person was a real cop to call 911 and they'll confirm. Also was told that if you don't feel comfortable with the area to let 911 know so they can notify the officer that you were waiting to pull over until you found a more public location.....

 

Input?

 

Gosh I could just ramble sometimes I figured this might be good info for everyone.

 

 

A properly trained officer will initiate the stop with his safety and that of the person he is stopping in mind. If at all possible we will try to initiate the stop in an area where there is plenty of room and light if it is after dark. This is not always possible given certain areas of the county. The law states you must yield (pull over) as soon as practical after you observe flashing lights behind you. I know the difference in a person who is looking for a safe place to stop and someone who is buying time before contact with me. Our cars are fully marked and officers in full uniform, there is no (reasonable)doubt that we are the sheriff’s department.

One problem is that when folks see us turn around on them they automatically pull over. This is not a good thing for several reasons. One is, that it does not give us time to run the tag to check for problems I.e.; stolen / wanted vehicle. Another reason this is bad is it limits us in our ability to choose the stop location based on safety (ours and theirs). Another is it puts our minds into the “what are they up to” mode. If I turn on you and you pull to the side before I catch up with you; what are you doing inside that car? Retrieving a weapon? Ditching/hiding dope? The scenarios are endless.

A dispatcher cannot trump our order for you to pull over. If you get on the phone with one and they tell you to keep going and you have the wrong dispatch center you may be taken out of the car at gunpoint. But generally we can tell the difference from someone who truly has an issue with safety from someone who is playing games.

[Sheriff stops traffic on 278]

No reason to get ugly....but if you really want to go there. If I ask a question and a officer of the law made me feel anything but all warm and fuzzy then I can promise you that would not be the end of it. We as citizens do have rights and anytime an officer forgets that there are steps to take to see to it he has a reminder. Now I would not stop in the road and ask in the above mention situation but if I ever feel the need I WILL and will expect the same respect I give officers to be given to me.

 

What rights are you referring to.

 

What rights would be violated by my asking you to depart a scene, of by my refusal to give out information about an incident?

 

 

I am not trying to be ugly, just trying to get some FACTS across.

A person has no “right” to approach me on my scene and demand information nor am I obligated to provide any.On the other hand, I DO have the AUTHORITY to demand you leave the scene.

I have been in this line of work for over 22 years and trust me I know how to deal with folks. You will be asked politely but sternly to leave the scene, or wait in a safe area until I complete my current task at which time I will talk with you, your actions after that will dictate my demeanor after that. If you have information pertinent to the situation at hand I will listen and take note. If you only want to know “whats going on” I will bid you good day. I have had numerous folks who thought I was wrong in asking them to leave the scene and went to the administration to complain, I have prevailed in these situations ALWAYS.

[Sheriff stops traffic on 278]

That's why I said they should have hollered and asked. Can you imagine?

 

 

OH there is no imagination to it,this is reality.

 

I have been approached numerous times while on a scene by folks “just wondering what’s goin on”. People do not realize that when they walk up on a scene like that it causes problems for more than the officer there. First when people walk up on a officer dealing with a person(s) in public, the officer has no idea who you are or what your intentions are, so not not only does the officer need to deal with the person he was was out with in the first place, now he has other persons that he must watch for officer safety reasons. The person(s) who wander up on an officer while he is out on a scene has no idea (perception is not always reality) what they may be walking into, what could look like a civil conversation between the police and a citizen could turn violent in a split second, or may have been violent before you arrived. If you are in the “hot zone” you take the chance of becoming involved in a way one usually would rather not.

 

In short folks that wander up on a officer in the discharge of his duties not only runs the risk of placing themselves in danger, they also put an added burden on the officer, that for all practical reasons the officer shouldn’t be subject to.

[Sheriff stops traffic on 278]

I would have stopped and asked..... in order to have the full story... remember they are here to "protect and serve" you, the tax payer... but based on previous behavior, I am not surprised....

 

 

YOU are kidding, right? You mean to tell me you are so dayum nosey that you would pull to the side of the road in that situation just to poke your nose into something that doesn’t even concern you? At the same time creating more of a traffic hazard. Scheese…..

 

 

A law enforcement officer is NOT required to provide you details or information on any action he takes on a situation or provide you with information on “what’s going on” just because you pull up and ask.

 

 

You need to get this “protect and serve” thing out of your head, that is a motto adopted by some departments which over time has been construed to mean “here to kiss my A$$” by some folks.

 

 

A word of advice, please do not attempt to do what you described in Florida. Why, you ask. Because Florida is where I work and you take the chance of that officer being me. Let me assure you, you WILL NOT leave the scene feeling all warm and fuzzy, should we ever meet in the above styled scenario..

[Sheriff stops traffic on 278]

But wouldn't the cop have had them towed if he issued a citation? I have seen that happen before.

 

 

It would be his discretion, I have done both. It depends on if they are frequent flyers “been caught and warned a lot” or had a bad attitude. Where I work we have a problem with them tearing up the dirt roads (especially after it rains). If I get called out to them and catch them tearing up the roads it will get towed, if they are not out there showing their A$$es they will usualy get a warning and sent on their way.

 

Must have been some of his buddies or maybe family???????? I'm sure we'll never know!!!

 

 

Yea, it's probably best that way.

[Sheriff stops traffic on 278]

Relatives of the sheriff or fellow law enforcement ? When we were kids (278 was still dirt) we would dart across the road to the other side, its a wonder we are all still alive!!!!

 

 

Now why did you hafta go there???? Maybe he had already issued them citations for riding on the right of way or whatever and was assisting them back to the other side of the road so they could take it home and park it.