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My commanding officer while in the marines once told me,
" son they have taught monkies to fly space ships to outer space, Have you ever seen one carrying a tool box"?
Fly safe!
Nope but I have seen a monkey on a string.
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I don't get the whole "primary" vs. "secondary" law.
If you are breaking the law, you are breaking the law.
Regardless of revenue, if it's "secondary" they are telling the police that you can witness someone breaking the law,
but you can't do anything about it UNLESS you get them for something else first.
That just makes no sense.
Idk it must be like the ten over rule. It is against the law to exceed the posted speed but you can not be charged by municipal/county unless you are ten over posted. So that is saying “they are allowed break the law <this much> before you can take action.
It is a good thing that doesn’t apply to other laws.
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Uh no, but I am perfect.
I have been driving since I was 15 and I am now 43. So...I have been driving 28 years and......
1st offense: Speeding(73mph in a 55) on an Illinois toll road near Chicago(I was 17 at the time). Stopped by an Illinois state trooper. Result= No ticket
2nd offense: Blew a red light in Norcross(Jimmy Carter Blvd), stopped by Gwinnett County Police. Result= No ticket
3rd offense: Blew a red light in Atlanta(10th street), stopped by Atlanta police. Result= No ticket
4th offense: Speeding(68 in a 55) in Indiana(July of last year), stopped by an Indiana State Trooper who was going the opposite direction on a back county road. Result= No ticket; warning only
5th issue: I wrecked my car in guess where? Cobb County, on Dallas Hwy, not far from the 5th precient. 2 Cobb officers saw the whole thing as they were working an accident on the other side. I hydroplaned/breaks locked up on wet pavement and slammed into a van in front of me at 40mph. Totalled my car.
One of the officers told me, "I saw and heard it. You okay?" I said, "Yeah, but I felt it." We both laughed. Then he came back 20 minutes later when they did their accident investigation and said, "I hate to do this to you, but, okay, here's a warning for following to close. Hope you feel okay."
Result= Warning only.
Will my luck run out? Probably.So no, none of us are perfect as you state. I tend to have a respected attitude when they pull me over and when I speak to them. Big difference.
Folks would not believe how much of a factor that is determining the outcome of a traffic stop.
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What is a VFR day? And, no, I'm not a pilot, but it's always sounded like a really cool thing to do.
Pilot speak for a clear day. FAA speak as to requirements for non instrument flight Visual Flight Rules. And you are welcome to come along if you like.
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That so reminds me of my Dad. He was a pilot and had his own plane so I grew up flying. When I was old enough he made sure I learned to fly in a J3Cub. I wish I had stayed with it. I do miss the days spent flying just for the fun of it.
Cant beat it, especially in a J3 . if there was ever a “just for fun” plane that’s it.
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I am going to be in town for a while and will be doing my flying out of McCollum. I may be flying to FL (1J0) and back tomorrow, the trip will take about six hours to complete round trip including time on the ground in fl. It’s going to be a great VFR day tomorrow. If there are any pilots that would like to split rental/log time or a student that would like to go for the experience let me know. There will be other trips to Fl while I am up here; always looking for company on these “long” trips, so if tomorrow is short notice let me know if you are interested and I’ll give you a heads up on the next one. The plane is a 172sp. If you are a pilot but not interested in logging any time you’re still welcome to come along at no expense.
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You see it is the politicians who attempt to use law enforcement as a source of revenue. They raise the fines and enact new laws in the name of more revenue, from the feds or in fines.
SO next time you find yourself paying a HUGE fine for a MINOR infraction, blame those at fault. (if you are guilty of the charge, that would not be the enforcement personnel who took enforcement action on you.) If you happen to get caught in OHIO you can thank governor Ted Strickland (D) for his proposal. (highlighted in the story below). Just so you know, with all of this proposed revenue generating via law implementation, my salary stays the same regardless of how many citations I write.
Source officer.com
COLUMBUS, Ohio --
Drivers better buckle up or pay the price: More cash-strapped states want to give law enforcement officers the authority to pull over motorists just for not wearing their seat belts.
More than a dozen states that are considering making the switch to primary seat-belt enforcement laws need to do so before July to be eligible for millions in federal money.
One of those states is Ohio, which would get $26.8 million if it changes its law. Currently, officers in the state must first have some other reason to stop drivers over before issuing seat-belt citations.
States without primary seat-belt enforcement that want the federal money must pass a bill and have it signed by the governor by June 30 - and begin issuing citations by Sept. 30 - to qualify for federal funds, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The federal money attached to seat-belt enforcement can only be spent for highway-related projects.
Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland proposed the change in his two-year budget plan released Monday. The state Legislature has previously balked at making the change.
"The budget includes a primary seat-belt enforcement law because evidence suggests it saves lives and to bring additional federal resources for highway safety," said spokesman Keith Dailey.
Twenty-six states and the District of Columbia already have primary seat-belt enforcement laws, meaning police can stop a vehicle for a seat belt violation, even if this is the only violation the officers notice.Ohio faces a $7.3 billion projected budget deficit over the next two years compared to current funding levels, leading Strickland to propose 120 fee and fine hikes, payroll reductions for state employees, and the delay of debt payments into future years.
A 2008 report by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said states with primary enforcement seat belt laws are averaging about 13 percentage points higher for seat belt use - 88 percent - than states with secondary enforcement laws - 75 percent. Ohio, however, has a seat-belt usage rate of nearly 83 percent.
Congress adopted the federal incentive program in the 2005 federal transportation bill as a way to encourage states to adopt the primary enforcement law. The goal was to save lives, reduce insurance costs, and cut medical bills.
The traffic safety agency found that in 2007, 54 percent of passenger vehicle occupants killed in traffic accidents were not wearing seat belts.
Still, the proposed change faces obstacles in states like Ohio, where many Republicans - who control the Senate - oppose it because of libertarian philosophies.
"People ought to be able to decide whether they want to drive 75 mph without their belt on," said House Minority Leader Bill Batchelder, a Republican from Medina.
And some lawmakers are hesitant to hand police more authority to stop motorists, believing that would lead to violations of Fourth Amendment protections against illegal search and seizure, Batchelder said.
Still, Batchelder said the federal money would likely sway some Ohio lawmakers' votes.
"I would say some will be more willing to look at it," he said.
In addition to Ohio, the other states considering the change are Arkansas, Florida, Kansas, South Dakota, North Dakota, Minnesota, Montana, Wyoming, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Nebraska and New Hampshire.
Also, lawmakers in Georgia - the only state in the nation to specifically exempt adults in pickups from buckling up - are considering changing that law, prompted in large part by their budget woes.
Only New Hampshire still has no seat belt requirement for all adult drivers, costing that state $3.7 million in grants in 2007.
In Arkansas, the sponsor of a primary seat-belt enforcement bill is attempting to allay the concerns of civil rights advocates that the change would lead to more racial profiling.
Sen. Hank Wilkins IV, of Pine Bluff, has said he will introduce a separate bill requiring some law enforcement agencies to collect data on motorists pulled over for not wearing a belt.
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Thanks for the warning. My "wealth" is busy being spread around enough so I will be very careful not to donate.
And I am SO sure those harping about the "follow the rules and you are okay" have Never broken ANY rules themselvs.
Thanks again NE. Hope they didn't get you.
It is not about breaking the rules, it is about those who cry foul when they get caught and place the blame elsewhere.
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This should be done as a spin off thread. It will take this topic in a whole new direction. I don't want it to turn into a church bashing or religious discussion.
I understand and agree, I was just responding to a question in the topic. Unfortunately since my post has been quoted I cannot remove it. All I can do is ask that the post stay on the OP topic and not take a tangent toward my post.
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Who steals at church!?
If it can heppen at the top it can happen at the bottom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bakker
PTL's fund raising activities between 1984–1987 underwent scrutiny by The Charlotte Observer newspaper, eventually leading to criminal charges against Jim Bakker. From 1984 to 1987, Bakker and his PTL associates sold $1,000 "lifetime memberships", which entitled buyers to a three-night stay annually at a luxury hotel at Heritage USA. According to the inaccurate prosecution at Bakker's later fraud trial, tens of thousands of memberships had been sold, but only one 500-room hotel was ever completed. Bakker "sold" more "exclusive partnerships" than could be accommodated, while raising more than twice the money needed to build the actual hotel. A good deal of the money went into Heritage USA's operating expenses, and Bakker kept $3.4 million in bonuses for himself. The $279,000 payoff for the silence of Jessica Hahn, a woman that was mistakenly supposed to be a Bakker staff member, was paid by Tammy Fae's later husband, Roe Messner. Hahn was actually a one time acquaintance of Bakker, set up by a "friend" in 1980. [4]
Bakker, who apparently made all of the financial decisions for the PTL organization, allegedly kept two sets of books to conceal the accounting irregularities. Reporters from The Charlotte Observer, led by Charles Shepard, investigated and published a series of articles regarding the PTL organization's finances. [5]
On March 19, 1987, following the revelation of a payoff to Jessica Hahn, whom Heritage's chief builder had paid $279,000 from his own funds to keep secret her allegation that he had raped her, Bakker resigned from PTL.[4] Bakker acknowledges he met Hahn at a hotel room in Clearwater Beach, Florida, but denies raping her. Following Bakker's resignation as PTL head, he was succeeded in late March, 1987, by Jerry Falwell.[6] Later that summer, as donations sharply declined in the wake of Bakker's resignation and the end of the Bakkers' popular PTL Club TV show, Falwell raised $20 million to help keep the Heritage USA Theme Park solvent, including a well-publicized waterslide plunge there.[7]. Falwell called Bakker a liar, an embezzler, a sexual deviant, and "the greatest scab and cancer on the face of Christianity in 2,000 years of church history."[8] In 1988, Falwell said that the Bakker scandal had "strengthened broadcast evangelism and made Christianity stronger, more mature and more committed".[9] Bakker's son, Jay, wrote in 2001 that the Bakkers felt betrayed by Falwell, whom they thought, at the time of Bakker's resignation, intended to help in Bakker's eventual restoration as head of the PTL ministry organization.[2]:33–37
[edit] Legal problems
Following a 16-month Federal grand jury probe, Bakker was indicted in 1988 on eight counts of mail fraud, 15 counts of wire fraud and one count of conspiracy.[4][10] In 1989, after a brief five week trial which began on August 28 in Charlotte, the jury found him guilty on all 24 counts, and Judge Robert Potter sentenced him to 45 years in federal prison and a $500,000 fine.[2]:52 [11]He served time in the Federal Medical Center, Rochester in Rochester, Minnesota, sharing a cell with activist Lyndon LaRouche and skydiver Roger Nelson.[1]
In early 1991, a federal appeals court upheld Bakker's conviction on the fraud and conspiracy charges, but voided Bakker's 45-year sentence, as well as the $500,000 fine, and ordered that a new sentencing hearing be held.[11] On November 16, 1992, a sentence reduction hearing was held and Bakker's sentence was reduced to eight years.[2]:104
In August 1993, Bakker was transferred to a minimum security federal prison in Jesup, Georgia, and was subsequently granted parole in July 1994, after serving almost five years of his sentence.[2]:116, 130 Bakker's son, Jay, spearheaded a letter-writing campaign to the parole board on his father's behalf, urging leniency.[2]:106–115
A federal jury subsequently ruled that PTL was not selling securities by offering Lifetime Partnerships at Heritage USA, as Bakker had contended.
On July 23, 1996, a North Carolina jury threw out a class action suit brought on behalf of more than 160,000 onetime supporters who contributed as much as $7,000 each to Bakker's coffers in the 1980s.
The Charlotte Observer reported that the Internal Revenue Service still holds Bakker and Roe Messner, Tammy Faye's husband from 1993 until her death in 2007, liable for personal income taxes owed from the 1980s when they were building the PTL empire, taxes assessed after the IRS revoked the PTL ministry's nonprofit status. Tammy Faye Messner's new husband said that the original tax amount was about $500,000, with penalties and interest accounting for the rest. Notices stating the IRS liens list still identify "James O. and Tamara F. Bakker" as owing $6,000,000, liens on which Jim Bakker still pays.
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I have nightmares over "that" kind of stuff. I would NEVER do that to anyone!!!
One can’t be too careful ‘round here ya know.
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Just for the record, I did turn my sound off and was fully prepared for something to jump out at me.
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Who's ready for secession?
<Sitting quietly with AR-15 in one hand and the other hand raised in the affirmative. >
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Whats this sunken ship thing people are talking about? Where is it at?
If this what you are asking about...
It is a artificial reef (one of several) off of the coast of panama city, but unless you scuba dive it is not an option.
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WCSO= department I work for. 84 = "old" badge number
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Is that gator dead?
NOPE...
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Put the kids to bed then come to sweet dreams karaoke bar/package store and hang out with the local po-po. Yes this is where the local pork hangs out.
<hiding face>. No never mind forget that.
You are going to be severely limited as to options as many of the attractions are seasonal and February aint seasoned. Ripley’s believe it or not museum will be open but the first thing you will not believe is the admission price. Downtown panama city has a lot of shops and can make for an interesting afternoon. There are several arcades with go carts and the like, and miniature golf out the wazooo. The dolphins hang around the jetties bt unless you have polar bear blood I think the swim may be unpleasant.
On the other hand you can come up my way and visit with "porkchop". Yes he lives about 200' out my side door.
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To be honest I’m not really in favor of law enforcement (or anyone else) using them without some kind of court order. Try and follow me around and observe my actions is one thing but physically attach something to MY personal vehicle to record my movement without my knowledge or a court order, is in my opinion pushing the fourth amendment.
Where is TBAR??
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This morning I went to leave for work, and I saw something hanging over my fence. I didn't have time to inspect it at that time. When I got home this afternoon I went down to see what it was. It's a man's or teenager boys coat and scarf hanging on my fence and there is another one laying on the ground. There's no other suspicious activity around the house that I can tell. Should I call the Sheriff? I looked in the pockets and couldn't find any ID.
NOOOOOO.
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Bumplett= sister
but me think she dont hang round here anymoe.
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No, not ANY vehicle... MOST vehicles. There are exceptions and not very many, but there are exceptions.
Again, a prime example: Congress people and Senators while enroute to session.
I maintain that they can be stopped. However an officer may not detain them once they envoke privy.
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No, not ANY vehicle... MOST vehicles. There are exceptions and not very many, but there are exceptions.
Again, a prime example: Congress people and Senators while enroute to session.
Well, like I said, I doubt seriously you'd ever hear of a challenge against it, but it's there and it could be enforced if someone wanted to push it hard enough.
I have see two cases where it was challenged and the Fed's won. That was several years ago, but it was there.
The Post Master at my local post office was telling me about it and I read about another instance a few years prior, in Kansas, I think.
The fact is, that it's not enforced and nobody in their right mind would challenge a stop, unless like I said previously,
it was frivolous and caused undo delay in mail delivery.
In a reasonable traffic stop, I would think ANY Post Master would side with an officer, if the situation warranted it.
I maintain that they can be stopped. However an officer may not detain them once they envoke privy.
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Title 18, Section 1701:
Whoever knowingly and willfully obstructs or retards the passage of the mail,
or any carrier or conveyance carrying the mail, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
There are no exceptions under this code. It's very plainly stated.
Just because you have taken cases to court and had no problems doesn't mean that the code isn't there.
Most courts don't uphold federal law, they uphold state and local laws...
In most cases, unless it's completely un-warranted, the postal service isn't going to come to the defense
of an employee that was doing wrong anyways... but they DO have the ability to have it over-turned if they so desire.
There are certain people who don't have to play by the rules, as most of us citizens do... such as state reps and congress people
who are on their way to a session. You CAN'T legally stop and detain them.
Like I said, this statue was put in place in the late 1800's for the Pony Express riders and has continued to still be an activte statue.
Whether or not it's follwed to a T or not, it's still there and technically it can be applied.
I would argue that that in no way prohibits enforcement of state or federal statute. Any vehicle operated on a public roadway CAN lawfuly be stopped. just because they carry the mail does not give them cart blanche.
Well as of 1986 there was a law on the books at woodstock that states "all conveyance must be securley attached to a hitching post while unatended on main st."
Any pilots here on Pcom?
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No but I did fly over it yesterday. When I fly up from FL I am usually in need of fuel and ground services that Paulding does not yet have. But when they are up and running it will be my new destination Vs McCollum or Cartersville.