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I know it is full of nutrients that the mother will need. But animals eat for sustinance as do humans. BUT humans have a very sofisticated palat and actually derive pleasure from the taste of the foods as well as smell, appearance, texture and yes... the thought of what we are consuming. I could not imagine picking that up after assisting one of my obstetric patients deliver and saying here, enjoy. I think I'm gonna be sick now.

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There is NO difference between an LEO defending themselves secondary to an assault and a civillian doing the same. If I see a White male that I did not know come out of ANY of my neighbors houses and start walking down the road, I would be VERY suspicious. For good reason, None of my neighbors are white. If I chose to call 911 and relay my observations to them while I follow that person at a reasonable distance that is my right and in my opinion duty. I will not approach them though. If they suddenly turn and charge me I can run, which I would likely do, or defend myself from any assault. We

I never said he was. In fact I specifically stated I DID NOT KNOW. I was refering only to your comment infering that Zimmerman had "no worries" at the moment. As far as your not knowing, for someone that is supposed to be "ontop" of the news for this website, I find your "lack of knowledge" on this issue quite perplexing.

Way to miss the point... I wasn't planning on getting into a gunfight when I checked that suspicious auto in front of the park either but it happened. I guess it is a good thing the guy shot both of us before I shot him or I would be guilty of murder had he just forgone that part and jumped on top of me and started bashing my head with my flashlight, which he did after he shot me.

That is what I was hearing. Are you familiar with all the children of the guys that date the single women in your neighborhood?

And yet Pubby does not think Zimmerman is any kind of predicament. And I have been getting that his dad did live there, which would make it his neighborhood. I was under the impression that helived elsewhere. But that does not change my feelings on this. I do not have all the info that the PD has. Without said evidence I will not say who is at fault. But I stand behind my support of someone following a suspicious person that they did not know. And that that person has the RIGHT to DEFEND themselves with deadly force if assaulted by the person but not to approach and try to detain said person w

I may be mistaken but I did not believe that Trayvon lived inside this neighborhood, which was a gated community.

Nawww Pubby.... Having the Black Panthers basically put a "dead or alive" for $10,000 on your head. Having nearly every Black person in America prematurely calling for your head on a platter and having to hide for your very own life DOES NOT QUALIFY AS A PREDICIMENT!!! Shakes head in utter AMAZEMENT

Firstly I did not "Back off" I was following him from about 100 yards. A very prudent distance. So let me get this right... You believe that as a civilian following this man down the public sidewalk. A ONETIME incident. Had he decided to ATTACK me. I would have to just sit there and "take it"?!?!? Not defend myself?!?? I had good reason to SUSPECT that the man committed a crime, per my wife's original statements. I was on the phone with dispatch as was Zimmerman. And when the dispatcher heard all the gunfire from the other incident, which I witnessed, that escaleted the PD response. My cal

And while I was following him and if he charged me (because I was following him) and assualted me. Had he been a black teen and I defended myself with deadly force. Remember he had not commited a crime in reality but was in the very least SUSPICIOUS. Would I now be in the same predicament as Zimmerman? Now think before you answer that question.

See my prior post. This man broke no laws. I was doing the same as Zimmerman.I SUSPECTED that he had committed the crime but had nothing to prove it. I was only keeping the suspect in sight so I could lead PD to him for their investigation.

Nope... He was on the public sidewalk when I saw him. And my wife confirmed later that he was on the sidewalk looking in the uncovered window at the "free show". Heck I can't blame the guy. Had she given me that info prior, I would not have called 911 in the first place. As it was, I told the police officer, a friend of mine, what happened and we both laughed. He told me later that he had a "discussion" with the guy about the repercussions of looking in folks windows even from the sidewalk. The point here is I was doing exactly the same thing as Zimmerman was but I was a trained LEO and was st

So according to you... The man that my wife told me was looking at her through our window and I went outside to call 911 on. Since I was following him at a distance (both of us on foot) to be able to direct police to him. That means I was Stalking the man? Right... Got it. And yes it really happened. And it really ended up in a shooting. But that was a totally unrelated incident that just happened to take place during the call. And thankfully it was the last night that we lived in our old house.

Here is a term that I know you are familiar with but the rest of the class might want to look it up Preclusion Seems to me that Mr. Martin would have been well served had he followed this concept.

"We do not need you to do that" vs "Do not follow the suspect" Please explain to the class the difference. Sounds like he was better prepared to me.

You need to look up the definitions of "following " and "stalking". You are getting the 2 confused.

Wouldn't be the first time someone made me the victim and failed to come out of it "ok".

And the school will NEVER tell you. I understand your anger but this pursuit is ill advised and will go nowhere. I am concerned that the manner and depth of your pursuit might wind up deemed harrasment of this individual. Let me add here. When my brand new truck was hit in the parking lot of Walmart. ( I had it down to a 10 min window and I know the cameras would have caught it) I REALLY WANTED Hiram PD and WM to revue the tape or let me have a copy to revue. That did /was not going to happen. I had to get over it

I can follow you all day in public in a non confrontational matter. Attack me and YOU will see what happens. You will either wind up as Mr. Martin did or you will be the one in jail. But here is a tip for you... Directly from the LEO public safety training literature. If you believe you are being followed, make 3 consecutive right hand turns. If the same person is still behind you, you ARE being followed. # consecutive rights is the equivolent of 1 left hand turn. NO ONE will do this on their own unless they are truly lost or following you. After doing that you should then proceed directl

You said the boy was punished, but yet you still want to call the news in. Why? Do you feel that you have the right to know what punishment the school gave him? If so, I'm sorry GA law disagrees. The school CAN NOT give out that info. Now on the other hand, if you just want to get the legal / penal system involved then have at it. YOU are free to make that report. The SO will decide whether or not to pursue it on their own. You are still free to TRY to obtain a warrant for the kid all by yourself if the SO refuses. You will have to go in front of the magistrate and convince them first though.

I think laying on his back blodied, battered and bruised beside would be more appropriate.

I have the right to follow and observe anyone that is in public.... Short of stalking them. That makes me a racist how?

And this will likely be one of the very few times we actualy agree. But the real story here is 2 fold. 1. Will the media and the reactionary protestors (race baiters) down there actually allow the investigating authorities and courts to find the proper justice? 2. Will the public actually learn anything beneficial from this "teaching momment"? There is lots to learn from this no matter who did what.

Found this today. I'll still have to verify authenticity, if possible. There is also this Here are some excerpts from the report: Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the Orlando Sentinel. That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say. Zimmerman has not s