[Which Pcommer would you like to meet?]

I say we all just shut down hwy 92 at 278 for a spontaneous block party, say tomorrow at about 5:30? We'll have all sorts of places to get food from.

[Which Pcommer would you like to meet?]

You two don't have seven sons do you?

 

Just wondering.

 

Just the one, and he is worse than any seven boys anyday. Why do you think I want to meet her? It has been way to long for some "alone" time.

 

I hope she still wants to "meet" me somewhere... Anywhere... Anytime... I'm not choosey

 

[Which Pcommer would you like to meet?]

I would like to meet Snow White.

[Lunch This Week]

Well we already know it is lunch but what time are you meeting?

[Lunch This Week]

Where is there? Can I bring the darling kids?

[Hey ya SOLO-can I have a word with ya]

But I'm really short. I'm afraid she'll mistake me for a kid and send the flying monkeys after me.

 

 

I see them already bloomed everywhere-but my little tree is just as bare as babe's butt...

 

Takes abot 5 -7 years to bloom.

 

[Hey ya SOLO-can I have a word with ya]

Do you remember when this cotton picking dogwood in my front yard blooms? It is always this late?

 

I'm not Solo but Dogwoods are supposed to bloom for Easter.

[Have you seen the new signs at the stop lights lately?]

Right turning traffic are the only ones who have a yield sign as defined by state law. The other sign is simply a notice to remind drivers they must yield to oncoming traffic. This is necessitated by inattentive drivers who are having problems with intersections that allow left turns on green. I am beginning to think most intersections should be left on green arrow only. It would defiantly inconvenience many good drivers but it would cut down on many serious wrecks t-bone wrecks.

 

I wholey agree with your assessment. My caution is that in today's society that overhead sign CAN be construed as a new type of yield sign. I just think there will be lawsuits over this. You know that no one ever accepts blame for their own faults. It is a dang shame that we resort to "reminding" people to do what the law already tells them to do.

[Have you seen the new signs at the stop lights lately?]

I had to laugh cause your making my point on this. Also left hand turners are not to be in the intersection until they can safely proceed with their turn and not be blocking the intersection while waiting.

 

Laugh all you like. I was never disagreeing with you about the intersection signage. I stated the reasoning for the yield sign in regards to those making right hand turns with a left turn arrow. I specifically stated that. If you had been listening /reading what I was trying to explain and not been so intent on arguing you would have realized this. I also said I would have to see the signage at this particular intersection to make an assessment. I always try to be as factual as possible. Thus I have relayed my opinion on that specific intersection. I also continue to defend the validity of placing the yield signs on controlled intersections but not so much on trying to remind and then confuse those turning left as they did here. Simply put, the overhead signs should be removed. But then again I do not work for the DOT but have 16 years with the PD and FD.

[Have you seen the new signs at the stop lights lately?]

I say it does....the yield statute says anyone faced with a yield sign has to yield to oncoming traffic or any traffic in an intersection. Left turning traffic would be in the intersection so they must yield.

 

Which they? turning left or turning right? I don't know, It seems like a double yield to me. Without the sign on the overhead there would be no doubt as to who must yield, those turning right. Just saying. It is a shame they feel that they must remind those turning left to yield to through traffic, which is what I believe they are trying to do.

 

[Have you seen the new signs at the stop lights lately?]

I just went throught that intersection. What the sign says is a reminder to those turning left to yield to oncoming traffic when they do not have a green arrow. that is all that sign says. Now there is the issue of who yields to who when there is only a person turning right and someone turning left. The implication would be that those turning left would have ROW. I can see that going to court if there is ever an accident under those circumstances. I do not know of one of those trumping the other. There is a code section to cover either on on a violation. This is what happens when you let government run your lives. Less government interference + more common sense = better lives for us all.

[What was she thinking?]

Come on JA, it was a joke

[Have you seen the new signs at the stop lights lately?]

This is correct. I don't know about the increase in accidents, but I do know that it is NOT common sense in GA to yield if you are turning left. This is the only place I have ever driven where you have the right to turn left in front of someone oncoming that is turning right. (At least at a lot of the intersections because the people turning right have yield signs). I have never understood that and thought it might be the cause of many accidents. IMO, it would be great if they would just do away with that right turn yield and let people drive like all the other states. It just makes sense to always yield if you are the one turning left.

 

I do not drive out of state that much so I do not know about us being the only state that does this. I think it is done for the simple reason that turning right is a far easier maneauver than turning left. By making those turning right yield it enforces couteous behavior that acknowledges the difficulties in turning left thereby increasing the efficient flow of traffic. If people were naturally more courteous then this would not be an issue.

[What was she thinking?]

sounds like a lot of work to me

 

Try doing this during a drought when the GA red clay is baked hard as a brick.

 

i bet mr dis would do it for a price

 

You are correct, but I generally try to stay away from these jobs. See above quote.

 

[Have you seen the new signs at the stop lights lately?]

i confuse shuld w8 or go on grean/?/

 

Green always has ROW. But in this instance apparently those turning left on green have to yield to those opposing turning right on green. This is a departure from the SOP of placing a yield sign for those turning right. If this is the case then the signage will probably not be sufficiant. It would seem that for some traffic flow reason they need rework the light sequencing.

 

[Have you seen the new signs at the stop lights lately?]

I see what you are saying but I hate that fact. Now with the left turners yield on green its just that. A right hand turner isn't meant to look behind to see if its safe to go. That isn't a good way to do it. A left turner can see whats in front and doesn't have to look behind to proceed.

 

When the other side had a light, the right hand turner had to stop at a red light then proceed. Now with a yield sign they don't. Right turners never have a light for flow of traffic or arrow at most. Left turners do. They get the light to make it through and right of way and the ability to see in front.

 

I use it if I am approaching a right turn that if the left turner has proceeded with their turn I will yield. If they haven't I go. I will not stop traffic if they are not in my lane.

 

If I take a left I will not go unless a right turner has stopped on their own accord and no one is going forward. Otherwise, I am much safer doing as I have always done before.

 

This way they are doing it is assuming each driver is doing it what way and it has caused many accidents. I almost was hit 3 times going straight and it now terrifies me each time I go through that one intersection at Nebo and Bill Carruth.

 

I have a better idea so they can even get more backwards with this. Instead of yield signs, they can put stop signs at each right turn and make sure that the flow of traffic is really good everyday. If yield means stop, then there you have it.

 

P.S. Do you not think that it necessarily gives left turners the right to go in on you by you stopping, but that if the left turner already proceeded with his turn you yield if not he is not in your lane to yield to. Therefore at a right hand turn, you do not stop unless he has made his turn. When the L is making his turn without the arrow, he is not in my right turn lane when I am making mine so there is nothing to yield to at the time in the lane I am going. And I believe that is the way the law is suppose to read this. The left turner is already stopped so there is no need for me to stop on a green unless the left had already proceeded. If the left hadn't proceeded, there is nothing to yield to in my lane. After all its a green light not a stop sign. A yield sign is different then a stop sign.

 

At Bill Carruth at Hiram Sudie and at Nebo, the majority take rights to go home. So that is why there is so many accidents at these intersections because of the way these lights are already. That is why there is a sign at Bill Carruth and Hiram Sudie of Left Turners to Yield at Green now. Now I am hoping for one at Nebo also. Maybe I might be able to go straight without some left turner thinking they can go right in front of me to beat the right turner.

 

I don't feel this will keep a lawsuit from happening if one that got in an accident sues for the backwards way this has been done. Right on red was that. Stop when you have a red light and proceed if safe to do so. If it isn't safe, then there is no right on red at that light with signs stating that. Now there is more risk then it was before of an accident waiting to happen.

 

I'm having a little trouble reading all this, especially with2 kids chattering in my ears. I'll have to look at the new signs. Sufficice it to say we may be talking about 2 different but similar scenarios. I was strictly commenting on the fact that there are always right turn yield signs at the intersection with an opposing green arrow. Maybe that is what is throwing me off of what you are saying.

 

[Have you seen the new signs at the stop lights lately?]

The law has always been that you stop and ensure the road is clear before turning on a red light. That already implies that you will be yielding to anything that is approaching. You don't really need to know the state of their light. If your light says "stop", you gotta stop and ensure it's clear to go. If you light says go, you just go. That's the way it is in every state I've ever been in.

 

As for this helping the left-turners have a better chance to go, that is completely unnecessary if they have a protected arrow stoplight. They are already given exclusive right-of-way during the cycle, something the right-turners never receive. I have been at a number of intersections where a right-turner has been stuck for multiple cycles. Their light is red and left-turners had green arrow... Couldn't go. Their light turned green and there were no more cars going straight in their direction of travel, so the left-turners kept coming... Couldn't go. Light turned red and cross-traffic started coming... Couldn't go. And so-on.

 

There is a reason every other state does it differently... Its because it eliminates all of the guesswork.

 

Yeah... umm... ok you're right have fun.

 

This is the attitude that makes these signs necessary.

 

[What was she thinking?]

Mine too. The dog keeps digging it back up everytime we bury it. It's getting old. Why can't they bury those things a little deeper.

 

There is a tool at The Big Orage box place. It looks like a shovel wit a semi circular perfectly flat bade about 8" long. This is for burying cable lines. This is the perfect time with the ground saturated. Take it and "cut" a trench about 1" wide. Push the cable down into it and walk the trench. Presto, the cable is now about 6" underground.

 

[What was she thinking?]

True, and read little signs that say "Call before you dig"

 

Oh snap!! You didn't say that!?

 

[Morning y'all]

Good Morning PCOM!! Just got home from work. Bought some Dunkin Doughnuts on the way home, went by the WM on the way too. Plan on church and planting all those pretty plants I bought for SW last week. I am starting to plan for the kids new treehouse too. Shhhh... Don't tell Dis jr. He will have a huge list of "cool" extras that he wants me to put in it. You know like a shooting range, zip line, coke machine, cable and the all important Xbox with Halo that we do not let him play anymore. Gee wonder why? Maybe it is his fascination with all things that fire projectiles. Maybe I could put in the dungeon

[What was she thinking?]

REDDING, Calif. – A woman who crashed into a line of stopped vehicles while text-messaging on her cell phone has been sentenced to six years in a California prison for killing a woman in one of the vehicles.

 

Deborah Matis-Engle was sentenced Friday by a judge in Redding, Calif.

 

Investigators said Deborah Matis-Engle was speeding and text messaging when she slammed into the vehicles stopped at a construction zone in August 2007.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090404/ap_on_re_us/text_crash

 

So she is texting while driving. Speeding in a work zone. Rearended somebody, causing a bad accident. Kills a lady. So now the kicker is... She plans on appealing. She only got 6 years for needlessly taking someones life while commiting crimes. She will most likely get a reduced sentance with early release and probation. A guess she just does not believe it was her fault. It must have been the fault of that lady who just stopped in the road for no GOOD reason. <_ src="%7B___base_url___%7D/uploads/emoticons/default_rolleyes.gif" alt=":rolleyes:"> I wonder how she will feel after the civil case is decided?

[Have you seen the new signs at the stop lights lately?]

But, it's not necessary to guess... Which makes the yield signs unnecessary.

 

It's really very simple. If your direction of traffic has a green light, the opposing traffic CAN'T have a green arrow. It will never happen. No guessing required.

 

And if your direction of travel is red, you have to stop before turning right on red anyway. Again, no guessing required.

 

But Georgia decided to put yield signs. Now, everyone turning right has to guess the intentions of the left-turner. If your light is green, you have no way of knowing if they have red (which means they can't go), or green. And if their light is green, you have no idea if they are going to attempt their turn because you don't know if there are any more cars behind you that are going straight instead of turning right.

 

Having right-turn yield signs is one of the dumbest ideas in traffic planning. It is no surprise this backwards state decided to do this.

 

Pure stupidity and lack of any critical thinking.

 

Your statement has merit. But consider this. How many intersections now are atypical. Meaning that they do not always allow approaching traffic through at the same time. So while you are sitting there at your redlight the approaching traffic has a green light and maybe even a green arrow. GA allows right turn on red. So you could turn right on your red but do you KNOW what the oncoming traffic's lights look like. Unless you are very familiar with that light then no. Therefore the yield sign is a very good thing to have. You could assume that since you are red so is the other side but that is not always true. And to the best of my knowledge there is no law stating that right turns automatically yield to left turning traffic. The yield sign also gives higher priority to those turning left on a green light than those turning right. The theory is that it is harder for those turning left to safely make that turn than for those turning right. It improves traffic flow if everbody would just remember who has right of wayand why. Those turning left also need to assert this right of way issue. Without the yield signs this is a lawsuit waiting to happen. The state is being proactive in protecting the citizens and staving off lawsuits against itself. Does that make sense to you?

[Have you seen the new signs at the stop lights lately?]

It's really dumb to pull out into the intersection to make a left turn on yellow, especially when you're going to have a green left arrow light in just a minute. I can understand why some people want to break the law if there isn't a turn arrow. But pulling into the intersection is not very bright and can get you a ticket at best.

 

My DW was riding with a co-worker and they were going through an intersection with a traffic light, the light was green but traffic had come to a stop and she was smack in the middle of the intersection. But she knew that traffic would begin moving before the light turned red. However, she didn't get a chance to see that repeat since a Cobb County cop pulled her over and ticketed her for pulling into the intersection and basically blocking it.

 

And when you're making a left turn, either at a left turn arrow or because on-coming traffic is clear, any on-coming right turning lane traffic usually has a yield sign (at least in Georgia) and has to yield of you - whether you have a turn arrow or not.

 

Why is that so hard for so many to understand? I have only seen it once that there was no sign. I called the DOT and informed them that the folks turning right had no idea when / if the oncoming left turn had a green arrow or not and that the DOT would likely be held responsible for any accident caused by this. They had a sign up in about 2 days.

 

[Georgia Emmisions Law question]

Just offer to report him.

 

391-3-20-.18 Sale of Vehicles.

(1) No person shall sell any responsible motor vehicle, as defined by the Act, intended

for highway use without a currently valid passing Certificate of Emission Inspection, as

required under this Chapter, if the purchaser is required to register the vehicle in any

covered county. Any person violating this Rule shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and

upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of $100 for a first offense, $500 for a

second offense and $1000 for each subsequent offense.

 

Sale of Vehicles

 

LTD, what would an irresponsible motor vehicle be?

 

[Have you seen the new signs at the stop lights lately?]

They put that big 24" white stop bar there for a reason.... We use a program called Auto Turn.... and it helps determine what size vehicle can safely navigate through the intersection.....

 

Auto turn does not account for those folks that park a full vehicle length in front of the balk line. Trust me, it is really hard to turn afire truck when somebody does this. Not to mention when thay do that and no one pulls up behind them the sensors do not know they are there and will not cycle the light.