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    Cell Phone Provider

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    Posted

    We merged with another company last January and ended up with some Nextels, Verizon, a Sprint, and several Cingulars. The Sprint was terrible, Nextels were spotty and they kept raising their rates, they are all gone now. We are finding Cingular (ATT) to be the best overall and definitely better in Paulding. The Verizons will be changed over to ATT as soon as contracts are up.

     

    ATT's data speed is now much better than the others too. I'll also be changing my air card to them once the contract is up.

    Jury Duty

    in Internet Cafe

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    I've been called twice in Paulding. Showed up, was sworn in, judge said cases were copping pleas so was sent home with directions to call in for instructions that night, instructions said thanks but we won't need ya this time.

    How do I get my yard ready for winter?

    in Internet Cafe

    Posted

    Doesn't really matter about cutting if, won't hurt it if you do. Bermuda will go dormant, fescue will stay green but growth will slow or cease. If you have fescue I'd say seed and use a low nitrogen fertilizer, but with lack of rain you'll be wasting your time and money. Some people overseed their Bermuda with rye to keep he yard green, but again with no rain it may not do well.

    Governor Perdue Will Hold Prayer Service for Rain

    in Internet Cafe

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    He may do so as an individual --- the free exercise clause. But he may not do that in the official capacity as governor --- the establishment clause.

     

    Just as the gov't cannot limit him from worshipping, he cannot give the endorsement of the State of GA in his capacity as governor to any faith at all.

    1st Amendment Center

    I understand. But how does a voluntary invitation to pray establish a religion? The first amendment clearly states that congress shall make no law....LAW...respecting an establishment of religion. Sonny has made no law, he has only invited people to pray with him. People are tyring to make this something it's not.

     

    Presidents have asked people to pray before, while seated in the oval office. If that wasn't unconstitutional then what Sonny is doing sure isn't.

    Governor Perdue Will Hold Prayer Service for Rain

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    And the 14th Amendment was specifically adopted to apply the due process of the 1st Amendment on the states.

     

    Think about it: does the state not have to give free press & freedom of speech? Is it only the Federal level that grants freedom of assembly? The states & local municipalities are under the same obligation to protect free speech, free press, free assembly, right to petition =and= the freedom of religion.

     

    The 14th Amendment did that. That has been the law of the land & Everson specifically affirmed that the freedom of religion was not excluded from the 14th provisions, just like the other provisions of the 1st Amendment are binding on the states.

    But that same freedom of speech allows Sonny Perdue the right to pray whether he is at work or in church on Sunday. He doesn't lose his constitutional rights while he's sitting at his desk.

     

    See, that's the part of the 1st amendment that people overlook, the government cannot limit the free exorcise of religion in any form or fashion.

    Governor Perdue Will Hold Prayer Service for Rain

    in Internet Cafe

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    Guard Dad: You forgot that the 14th Amendment applied all of the due process protections of the 1st Amendment on the states as well, not just the Congress.

    I understand where you're coming from with this as it is a commonly held belief. But that would put the 14th amendment in direct conflict with the 10th amendment if that was it's meaning,

     

    Amendment X

     

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

     

    Only the powers specifically delegated to the federal government cannot be overridden by the states.

    Governor Perdue Will Hold Prayer Service for Rain

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    Uh, perhaps you should re-read some history.We know exactly what they mean with the 1st Amendment. They drafted a similar measure in VA before the Bill of Rights & that is what they discussed: separation of church & state. Jefferson said the 1st Amendment meant that in the Danbury Baptist letter. Madison did as well in Remonstrance. The newspapers of day said it meant that. The preachers of the era preached =against= ratifying the Bill of Rights because they said it meant that. The Baptists who pushed, pleaded & cried for it used the term specifically, "separation of church & state." That is one of the fundamental ideas of Baptist doctrine when Roger Williams established the first Baptist church in American in the 1600s after being kicked out of Boston.You are claiming these "men you hold out as examples looked to God for guidance when making decisions" & that is factually untrue. Ben Franklin asked they open the Constitutional Convention in prayer but only a handful of them wanted it; the suggestion was voted down & never brought up again. Very, very few were evangelical as we think of Xians today.Sorry, but if Sonny is making it an official proclamation on state letterhead & not from his =personal= office, he is breaking the law as it is a direct violation of the 1st Amendment.He may participate & even call for a prayer meeting as a private individual, but not as the governor.
    'fraid you're mistaken.
    Amendment ICongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    Notice it specifically names congress...as in the US Congress. Sonny is a member of a state government. You make your point on the basis that Sonny's call for a voluntary prayer is an establishment of religion, it does even come close and it certainly is not making a law that does so. Thirdly, the next part of first amendment states that congress cannot prohibit the exorcise of religion or abridge free speech. People with your beliefs seem to forget about this part of the amendment. That's what I mean by t working both ways, religion can't tell government what to do and government can;t tell religion what to do. Furthermore
    Amendment XThe powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
    Since the first amendment does not specifically speak to state government, they are protected by states rights. I realize that there have been some lower court decisions that have seen it differently, but they were bad decisions by activist courts and will eventually be overturned.As for me not being back.......wrong. But I don't live on this site either so I pop in/out at my leisure.
    I'll say a prayer for you. You seem to be such an angry person. Hell, better yet I'll email Sonny and ask him to say a prayer for you in public. That'll make a difference!
    You calling me angry? Now that's funny! :lol:

    Governor Perdue Will Hold Prayer Service for Rain

    in Internet Cafe

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    IN YOUR OPINION!

     

    That's the problem with southern Christianity; it has always been “my way or the highway. There is a great big world out there; some believe in Jesus, some believe in Jehovah and some believe in other Gods. Worry about you and butt the hell out of everyone else’s business.

     

    PS: You don't HAVE to be obnoxious just because you are a "Christian". Why can’t you be nice? This is the second discussion I have had with you and you always resort to name calling. Unless you are 12, you could do better if you try. I’m sure you can.

    Where do you come up with these ideas?

     

    I never stated "my way or the highway", I clearly stated that you have the same right to not participate as Sonny does to pray. That means we can have it both ways. Sonny is not ordering anyone to do this, it's totally voluntary for those who believe in the power of prayer. If this isn't your bag...no problem but don't infringe of the rights of those who believe.

     

    I also never called you any names unless you're counting the junior remark. If you are then you may be too thin skinned to play on an internet forum.

     

    Wow

    Governor Perdue Will Hold Prayer Service for Rain

    in Internet Cafe

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    True, the words are not there, but the principle surely is. It is much too glib an argument to say that constitutional principles depend on the use of particular words. Who would deny that “federalism,” “separation of powers” and the “right to a fair trial” are constitutional principles? But those words do not appear in the Constitution either. The separation of church and state, or the “wall of separation” is simply a metaphor, a shorthand way, for expressing a deeper truth that religious liberty is best protected when church and state are institutionally separated and neither tries to perform or interfere with the essential mission and work of the other.

    We Baptists often hold up Roger Williams’ “hedge or wall of separation” and point to Jefferson’s 1802 Letter to the Danbury Connecticut Baptist Association where he talked about his “sovereign reverence” for the “wall of separation.” But we sometimes overlook the writings of the father of our Constitution, James Madison, who, in a letter to Robert Walsh in 1819, observed that “the number, the industry and the morality of the priesthood and the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of church and state.”

     

    Even Alexis de Tocqueville, in his famed 19th century Democracy in America, a work often cited by those who would disparage separation, writes favorably of it:

    In France, I had seen the spirits of religion and freedom almost always marching in opposite directions. In America I found them intimately linked together in joint reign over the same land. My longing to understand the reason for this phenomenon increased daily. To find this out, I questioned the faithful of all communions; I particularly sought the society of clergymen, who are the depositaries of the various creeds and have a personal interest in their survival. As a practicing Catholic I was particularly close to the Catholic priest, with some of whom I established a certain intimacy… I found that they all agreed with each other except about details; all thought that the main reason for the quiet sway of religion over their country was the complete separation of church and state. I have no hesitation in stating that throughout my stay in America I met nobody, lay or cleric, who did not agree about that. (emphasis added) p.295, Geo. Laurence trans., J.P. Meyer ed., 1969. Cited, John Witte, “That Serpentine Wall’” Vol. 101 U.Mich. L. Rev. 1898 (May, 2003).

     

    The Constitution may not have those words — church-state separation — in it, but those who wrote the Constitution and other early observers had the words in them.

    I'm well aware of the writings of the framers. But the meaning of the constitution is in the actual words, not what we think the framers may have had on their minds. Now, I don't advocate a theocracy by any means, but the "separation" bunch carry it to extremes. The constitution guarantees the right of individuals to practice their faith and even to lean on it while making decisions. This applies to elected officials too. These same men you hold out as examples looked to God for guidance when making decisions. Bottom line is....Sonny isn't doing anything wrong or illegal. He isn't hurting anyone. The same constitutional right that allows him to do this gives you the right to not participate if you choose. It works both ways.

    Governor Perdue Will Hold Prayer Service for Rain

    in Internet Cafe

    Posted

    Don't care for hypocrites myself. If your religion is clashing with the way you live, you need to change one or the other.

     

    And wasn’t it the Pharisee that Jesus said NOT to be like?

    Odd, I never mentioned anything about my religion clashing with the way I live.

     

    But if it makes you feel better to think that, go ahead. :rolleyes:

     

    And with that...off to the gym. Evenin' folks. B)

    Governor Perdue Will Hold Prayer Service for Rain

    in Internet Cafe

    Posted

    *sigh* I never said he wasn't a Christian, I never said he shouldn't pray for rain, I never said he didn't believe in it. Go ahead and pray your heart out Sonny, in fact I believe it's a good idea and it may work.

     

    But DON'T alert the media before-hand to make sure we all know about it. Pray in private as "Sonny", don't pray in public as the "Governor". Got it?

    No I don't get it. The whole idea here is to get as many people praying as possible, using the media to spread the word is key to that.

     

    Do we have to be cynical about everything?

    Governor Perdue Will Hold Prayer Service for Rain

    in Internet Cafe

    Posted

    But if he were doing it as a "private citizen" we wouldn't all know about it ahead of time, now would we? ;)

     

    Like GoBlue said, it's all about PR and being popular. Fake fake fake.

     

    Actually it isn't. I know Sonny's son Jim, he's a preacher and is my preachers best buddy. The Purdue's are rock solid Christians. Sonny believes in what he is doing.

    Governor Perdue Will Hold Prayer Service for Rain

    in Internet Cafe

    Posted · Edited by Guard dad

    No, and in all honest I really don't care one way or the other. It's just that I get tired of being billed more for water, having buinesses forced to close and the "gobners" of these "fine" states using the situation for face time on the news rather then actually trying to come up with some solutions to the issue. This prayer thing just seems like another attempt for Chicken Farmer to get his lame duck mug on TV and that frustrates the hell out of me.[/quote whine]

     

    Oh...so you're just whining. :p

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