NumberCruncher

i am laughing so hard at you right now!!! where and when did i say my children were perfect? where and when did i say my children follow a manual. or that i think they don't have sex or smoke or drink? you've made an awful lot of assumptions about a person (me) that you hadrly know at all. and that's funny. never did i say that anyone deserved to die. that's horrible. and the fact that your mind went there all on it's own, says more about you than it does about me. i'm in denial over nothing....well, ok, maybe my hair isn't as fabulous as i think it is, and i'm in de

that's logic that you've twisted all on your own. i've never said that a child who texts and drives but doens't die is not an idiot. i have no idea why or how you drew that conclusion. but i guess it is easier to be mad at me and my opinions than it is to examine how you feel about hard subjects. and again. i've not used the word failure. that's all you. and cruisegal, and mewhoelse. and yes. my parents raised me from infancy to adulthood, and their job is complete. and yes, i've made many mistakes and gone against my parents wishes. and yes, i've been a total idiot

ding ding ding!!! the girl dies of a 100% preventable action. one that her parents could and should have helped her prevent. regardless. parenting BY DEFINITION is raising an offspring from infancy to adulthood. this child didn't make it to adulthood. therefore her parents failed. i've yet to use the word failure in this thread, except in rebuttal to your posts.

again, i've never claimed to be perfect. and am admittedly far from it. i've not cast any judgment on anyone in this thread, as you are so intenet to do. i haven't figured out a single thing for anyone but myself and my children. it's sad that instead of answering my question about parental responsibility, you choose to skirt the issue and get pissed at me because i'm willing to stand by my children and what i've taught theem. but hey. be pissed at me all you want. i don't know you from Adam, and lucky for me, my online reputation can't become any more tarnished than it alre

im not sure what being a mom has to do with HIV, unless your point is that i could have contracted a fatal disease. but, i didn't. however, my parents didn't fail, because i did, indeed, reach adulthood alive. therefore, their job was completed. putting up with my callous attitude is your choice. and the choice of each individual poster here. you can put me on ignore. you can not open my threads. or you can try to take me out behind the barn yourself. just keep in mind that i don't know you, and your absence in my threads won't bother me one iota. however, a good spanking would j

silly, cruisegal thinks that i think that families should be punished when children break laws and wind up dead.

here's where your wrong. i'm not better than anyone. i'm just willing to assume the responsibility, as a parent, for my childrens actions. my children have screwed up, and faced consequences. and i have accepted the fact that, as thier parent, i must not have none a good enough job impressing upon them the importance of not screwing up. yes, my children have learned from their mistakes. rarely are they repeat offenders of the same jackassery. mostly because, as a parent, i reteach or reimpress upon them the importance of doing the right thing the next time they're faced with the same or

no. i don't think that an entire family should be 'punished' for a child/teen's illegal beahviour. and no, i've never said thata parent should go to jail with their child for robbing a store. i have no idea where you got any of this, and don't appreciate words being put into my mouth. body parts, i am ok with! not receiveing a brand new house for failing your child shouldn't be looked upon as a punishment. thousands of people every year suffer the same losss, and don't get houses. are they, in your eyes, being punished? and to come back to the gist of your post, yes, i do be

you've lost your mind. i'm far from perfect.i've does lots of 'wrong' things. and plenty of things that my parents taught me not to. not sure why you're so bitter towards me. i've stated my opinions, and asked for intelligent reasons why people feel differently than i do. if you wanna make this personal, between you and i, we can certainly do that. i'm an accomodating person, and would gladly meet to have an intelligent discussion with you regarding parental responsibilities. if you're willing. perhaps you'd be more rational in real life. idk. but would welcome the opportunity

i love chinese food, but think that fortune cookies are crap. i am absolutley my own best friend. (no one else wants the job) applause and praise have much to do with pride and hard work. the reward i get for being a good parent is being able to stand at my childs graduation and clap my heart out for his accomplishment. his reward is obtaining an education. yes, pride, praise, and applause are all very appropriate in lots of situations. love yourself all you want, postman. but if no one ever cheers for you, that love for yourself will be all you ever have. and that's a

as a 20 year old woman, you are no longer a teenager. therefore, your parents have succeeded in parenting you. again, parenting, by definition, is raising offspring from infancy to adulthood. call it semantics. i don't care. if your 'child' dies from something that's 100% preventable, by a parent....the parent has failed. ps. that girl made three wrong decisions, just for the record. and i still can't think of one person who 'deserves' a house. other than those who work and pay rent or mortgages, that is. and no, none of this was typed with any emotion, other t

I don't think that means what you think it means.....

nice cover.

YOU did thisssssssssssss! yes. I just hissed at you. publicly. and I almost quoted the horrible witch/beggar woman from the princess bride. but figured you'd miss the reference. please do not admit to knowing the lines to that movie. ever.

I cannot understand why anyone would pretend to be shocked or amazed by anything I write. I'm me. always have been. I don't pull my punches, and I say what I think. my screen name is all the warning a person should need. and mean? not so much. baffled? yep. by the double standard that seems to apply to parental responsibility. id love to have a rational discussion with regards to just that. sadly, folk are too intent on labeling me as horrible to spare the few mintues it would take to explain why they're ok with the double standard. I'll go ahead and stipulate to b

I had to go back and reread. nope I didn't call anyone a failure. I stated that these people failed at parenting. parenting, by definition, is raising your children to adulthood. I'm not cold hearted enough to say that people who've lost children to disease or birth defects have failed as parents, some things are out of the realm of control. its very easy to block calls and texts while your child is driving. I do. this is exercising control, and parenting your children, instead of letting them run amuck and parent themselves. again, you don't have to agree with me. but, you

but... let some teenager cut off a pcommer in traffic, and the whole board is screaming about how its the parents fault for not raising them right, or buying them the car in the first place. ive raised my children with the belief that they are absolutely a reflection on me, with good behavior and bad. and to always act as if I am watching them, or they are being watched by someone who knows me. not as a scare tactic, per se. but as a way to make them realize how devastating it would be for them to bring shame on the family.

if you kid dies of something sooooo stupid, something you were supposed to teach them not to do, much less three things....yeah you've pretty much failed as a parent. in my opinion. Strikes me as pretty ironic that the media and the general public want to blame the parents when their children harm someone else, but hold the parents faultless when the children harm themselves? I don't get he double standard. perhaps it's about the suffering? if you suffer at the hand of your child, it can't be your fault. but if someone else suffers, it hs to be? toilet paper commercia

nickels are great. I'll take the mortgage on my 30 year old house, thank you. sure, I've done dumb things, but never fatally stupid things. I suppose it still strikes me as rewarding people who have failed their children. sad.

I applaud your optimism. however Im baffled at stories like this, and the people who support them. we don't all have to agree, or see thinhs the same way. nor do we have to try and change each others viewpoints. I'm all about agreeing to disagree.

if their child was taught the dangers, and chose to speed, text, and not wear a seatbelt......why bother teaching other teens? perhaps they've perfected their teaching method? yes, the family has been through hell and back. because of their daughters stupid selfishness choice. would anyone nominate the family of a serial killer to get a brand new house? what about the family of a rapist? as far as knocking on wood.....if it makes you feel more secure abbot your parenting ability, feel free. I prefer to parent securely instead.

why do they deserve a house? because they spent all of their money and time raising awareness? would they have had to spend all their money and time if they had simply raised awareness in one person, their child? there are billboards, commercials, and viral videos to raise awareness. and lets not mention the recent passing of laws in certain states, making it illegal to text and drive. lets not forget all of the awareness already raised about seat belts and speeding........ obviously, people aren't getting the message. hopefully one more foundation can get the point across....

the majority of teens don't die from their stupid mistakes. my parents are no longer responsible for my behavior, as I am grown and have had time to correct my teenaged mistakes. the mistakes I make today are all mine. I own the, and don't blame my parents on whit. and, my parents won't profit from my death. my children will. and if i die doing something idiotic? feel free to make the first 'toldjaso' post. death by texting? yeah, genius.

the episode hasn't aired yet. it was a teen that died. I'm on the iPad, so I cant paste a link. make the best out of a tragedy? by getting a brand new house? I'd say so! why not prevent the tragedy in the first place? if they can go school to school teaching, why couldn't they have taught their daughter at home?

what happens when you speed, choose not to wear your sealtbelt. and text while driving? if you're Alex Brown, you die. if you're her family, ABC gives you a brand new house. wth? why? they raised an idiot, and get an extreme home makeover for it? I'll never watch another episode.