mrshoward Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Where is the national media coverage ? ? ? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5955071/Drug-traffickers-BEHEADED-special-needs-girl-13-Alabama.html Link to post Share on other sites
mrshoward Posted July 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 More information : http://13 year old Mariah Lopez was murdered by drug traffickers of the Sinaloa cartel in Huntsville, Alabama on June 4th 2018 : http://www.waff.com/story/38635617/testimony-reveals-grisly-details-in-madison-county-double-murder Link to post Share on other sites
Coppertop's Pop Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 The democrats wants to bring more of these folks into our neighborhoods and schools. If you oppose the mexican cartels, you must be a bigot. Link to post Share on other sites
ABTHREE Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 And some people want to abolish ICE! Link to post Share on other sites
gpatt0n Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 The democrats wants to bring more of these folks into our neighborhoods and schools. If you oppose the mexican cartels, you must be a bigot. The Republicans want intimate and close relations with Russia and Putin; but won't that bring mobsters, fascists, mysogynists and rapists into our neighborhood and schools? Of course the answer is all those things are already there because a portion of the Americans living in our society today are criminals. Before you get all huffy-puffy about how I'm dissing Americans, look at the prison population which is overwhelmingly American. Then look at the number of people incarcerated. Obviously Americans can be bad boys, rapists, murderers, thieves, robbers, child pornographers, etc. Judging from the number of people incarcerated in the US, either our republican led government is fascist and is willing to lock up a much larger percentage the population than any other society (especially when their prison companies get paid for the service.) or Americans are really bad asses that folks like MS-13 ought to be afraid. What we do absolutely know from our history is that when the king is weak and corrupt, the Sheriff of Nottingham will have a field day with his corruptions. One might even think that this self-interested dynamic is what is behind the Republican support.for this president who thinks himself a king. Regardless, now is one of those times when that wise saying, "the price of liberty is eternal vigilance" is inarguably true and may be proven in the negative because you folks aren't vigilant at all. pubby Link to post Share on other sites
mrshoward Posted July 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) Two criminal illegal alien drug traffickers behead a young autistic girl and stab her grandmother to death. These narco terrorists are operating right here in our backyard. And Pubby thinks Republicans are the problem... Edited July 15, 2018 by mrshoward 5 Link to post Share on other sites
gpatt0n Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 You gloss over the part of the story where the grandmother was a member/representative/principal of the cartel and was apparently doing some things that made the two men - they could be American while she is Mexican - think she was double-crossing them in a criminal encounter. The article does not state the immigration status of the two men charged and the Palimino last name sounds awfully "native American" It was a grizzly crime committed by meth heads in the midst of a bad drug deal that obviously involved the tragic death of an autistic child; the grand child of the cartel member. Mariah Lopez, 13, was killed alongside her grandmother in Alabama on June 4 New details emerged in court on Thursday in hearings for the two men charged Yoni Aguilar, 26, and Israel Palomino, 34, are both charged with capital murder Prosecutors say grandma Oralia Mendoza, 49, was tied to the Sinaloa Cartel Slaying followed a dispute over a meth score between granny and alleged killers This is tragic but no more tragic than the death of the 19 year old at the hands of a 15-16 year old who wanted some marijuanna but didn't have cash so just shot and killed the 'dealer' in south Paulding ... was it last year? pubby Link to post Share on other sites
lowrider Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Two criminal illegal alien drug traffickers behead a young autistic girl and stab her grandmother to death. These narco terrorists are operating right here in our backyard. And Pubby thinks Republicans are the problem... He is blinded by the left 2 Link to post Share on other sites
ITMFA Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) Where is the national media coverage ? ? ? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5955071/Drug-traffickers-BEHEADED-special-needs-girl-13-Alabama.html Your fear mongering stops at the Russian mafia that launders money through real estate. Can you think of a prominent real estate mogul that has Russian connections? Edited July 15, 2018 by COWA 1 Link to post Share on other sites
mrshoward Posted July 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 I see how much they really care about the children... https://www.facebook.com/143615422490468/posts/872630589588944/ BTW, the Daily Mail is a tabloid. I'm sure they are just as accurate in their reporting as is The National Enquirer. Weird how an English tabloid is scooping the mainstream American media... Where are CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, NYT or the Washington Post on this story ? ? ? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
mrshoward Posted July 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 You gloss over the part of the story where the grandmother was a member/representative/principal of the cartel and was apparently doing some things that made the two men - they could be American while she is Mexican - think she was double-crossing them in a criminal encounter. The article does not state the immigration status of the two men charged and the Palimino last name sounds awfully "native American" It was a grizzly crime committed by meth heads in the midst of a bad drug deal that obviously involved the tragic death of an autistic child; the grand child of the cartel member. Mariah Lopez, 13, was killed alongside her grandmother in Alabama on June 4 New details emerged in court on Thursday in hearings for the two men charged Yoni Aguilar, 26, and Israel Palomino, 34, are both charged with capital murder Prosecutors say grandma Oralia Mendoza, 49, was tied to the Sinaloa Cartel Slaying followed a dispute over a meth score between granny and alleged killers This is tragic but no more tragic than the death of the 19 year old at the hands of a 15-16 year old who wanted some marijuanna but didn't have cash so just shot and killed the 'dealer' in south Paulding ... was it last year? pubby "Palomino is also being detained on a hold for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement." Link to post Share on other sites
shannonsolomon Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Where are the protesters? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
rockysmom Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 For ANYONE to think that ANY law abiding American, be it black, white, brown, orange, conservative, Democrat, Republican would even by ANY stretch of the imagination look to back or support a member of this MS 13 gang is a victim of being at the least stupid and at the most very stupid. How sad to see people pinning support on members of the MS 13 on folks like the Democrats and Pubby. You folks have certainly lost your minds. Your leadership is failing you if this is what they are telling you. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
mrshoward Posted July 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) For ANYONE to think that ANY law abiding American, be it black, white, brown, orange, conservative, Democrat, Republican would even by ANY stretch of the imagination look to back or support a member of this MS 13 gang is a victim of being at the least stupid and at the most very stupid. How sad to see people pinning support on members of the MS 13 on folks like the Democrats and Pubby. You folks have certainly lost your minds. Your leadership is failing you if this is what they are telling you. Must be that spark of divinity and all that talk about abolishing ICE... Or that time the media went crazy when Trump called them "animals." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinaloa_Cartel Warning : Never Google "sinaloa cartel murders" and click images ! ! ! Seriously... don't do it ! ! ! Way worse than anything I've ever seen from ISIS ! ! ! You've been warned ! ! ! Happening right there... on our unsecure Southern border. Operating with impunity. Right in our backyard. Edited July 15, 2018 by mrshoward 2 Link to post Share on other sites
rockysmom Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Must be that spark of divinity and all that talk about abolishing ICE... Or that time the media went crazy when Trump called them "animals." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinaloa_Cartel Cherry picking sound bites from questionable people and publishing them as cornerstones of political beliefs is dirty play. For people to take them as gospel and promote them as gospel for any political party is enough for reasonable people to point at these people as dumbassess in the first degree. As is often the case trump tends to talk out of his butt. The President of the United States should not get in the gutter by using this type of language. He does it to rile up the outrage and then points the outrage at his opponents. Most of his supporters seem to lap it up like cream. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
mrshoward Posted July 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Cherry picking sound bites from questionable people and publishing them as cornerstones of political beliefs is dirty play. For people to take them as gospel and promote them as gospel for any political party is enough for reasonable people to point at these people as dumbassess in the first degree. As is often the case trump tends to talk out of his butt. The President of the United States should not get in the gutter by using this type of language. He does it to rile up the outrage and then points the outrage at his opponents. Most of his supporters seem to lap it up like cream. No need to pick cherries, when the orchard is chock full of apples. Link to post Share on other sites
rockysmom Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 No need to pick cherries, when the orchard is chock full of apples. Just some more BS from the unapologetic master BSer. Link to post Share on other sites
ITMFA Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Must be that spark of divinity and all that talk about abolishing ICE... Or that time the media went crazy when Trump called them "animals." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinaloa_Cartel Warning : Never Google "sinaloa cartel murders" and click images ! ! ! Seriously... don't do it ! ! ! Way worse than anything I've ever seen from ISIS ! ! ! You've been warned ! ! ! Happening right there... on our unsecure Southern border. Operating with impunity. Right in our backyard. More fear mongering. Organized crime commits the same acts everywhere. Putin would call them amateurs. Link to post Share on other sites
mrshoward Posted July 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) More fear mongering. Organized crime commits the same acts everywhere. Putin would call them amateurs. Anyone who did Google those words and click images would immediately discover that you are full of crap... Edited July 16, 2018 by mrshoward Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenCain Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Anyone who did Google those words and click images would immediately discover that you are full of crap... You are just taking a page out of Trumps playbook and trying to vilify an entire group of people to instill hate and fear. We all know the story of James Byrd who was dragged in chains down a dirt road until his head was decapitated and his arm pulled from his body. These were god fearing white people that did this. do we condemn all white people for what they did ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd_Jr. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Guard dad Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 You are just taking a page out of Trumps playbook and trying to vilify an entire group of people to instill hate and fear. We all know the story of James Byrd who was dragged in chains down a dirt road until his head was decapitated and his arm pulled from his body. These were god fearing white people that did this. do we condemn all white people for what they did ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd_Jr. You have a lot of gall accusing anyone of instilling hate and fear. That's the Democrat's entire strategy these days. And you just demonstrated that again by playing the race card. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenCain Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 You have a lot of gall accusing anyone of instilling hate and fear. That's the Democrat's entire strategy these days. And you just demonstrated that again by playing the race card. You have a lot of gall being a professional trump apologist and trying to pretend his whole campaign was not based on fear. But lets recap if any story involves a black person then it's pulling a "race card" if it involves a hispanic then it's good honest reporting. You sound like a broken record . 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Guard dad Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 You have a lot of gall being a professional trump apologist and trying to pretend his whole campaign was not based on fear. But lets recap if any story involves a black person then it's pulling a "race card" if it involves a hispanic then it's good honest reporting. You sound like a broken record . As i mentioned earlier, Trump is a populist. So yeah, he appealed to people's emotions. I'm not a professional apologist for him, I am just tired of the nasty hate you and your kind spread. You are a bitter, anger filled person who is too blinded by your hate to see things rationally. Was it necessary for you to drag up a racial crime from 1949? No, it wasn't. You're just fostering anger and division. As for Hispanics...please link to where I've said anything bad about them. I do support closing our borders until we get things under control, but I am not a "round 'em up" advocate. In that, I disagree with Trump. So yet again, you're just pulling crap out of your butt because the facts don't support you. Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenCain Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 As i mentioned earlier, Trump is a populist. So yeah, he appealed to people's emotions. I'm not a professional apologist for him, I am just tired of the nasty hate you and your kind spread. You are a bitter, anger filled person who is too blinded by your hate to see things rationally. Was it necessary for you to drag up a racial crime from 1949? No, it wasn't. You're just fostering anger and division. As for Hispanics...please link to where I've said anything bad about them. I do support closing our borders until we get things under control, but I am not a "round 'em up" advocate. In that, I disagree with Trump. So yet again, you're just pulling crap out of your butt because the facts don't support you. It was 1998 and I was making a point something you seem to be incapable of doing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Guard dad Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 It was 1998 and I was making a point something you seem to be incapable of doing. Your only point is hate and division. Your own hatred has you blinded to reality. You have been so conditioned to hate Donald Trump, you aren't capable of using rational thought to measure anything he says or does. You simply default to a response of anger. What kind of life is that? Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenCain Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Your only point is hate and division. Your own hatred has you blinded to reality. You have been so conditioned to hate Donald Trump, you aren't capable of using rational thought to measure anything he says or does. You simply default to a response of anger. What kind of life is that? I would counter and say you have conditioned yourself to love him to the point you are blind to the damage he is causing the hate,anger and division he has brought upon us and the danger he presents to the security of this nation and the world. Ignorance may be bliss but .... What kind of life is that ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
mrshoward Posted July 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 You are just taking a page out of Trumps playbook and trying to vilify an entire group of people to instill hate and fear. We all know the story of James Byrd who was dragged in chains down a dirt road until his head was decapitated and his arm pulled from his body. These were god fearing white people that did this. do we condemn all white people for what they did ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd_Jr. Yes, I am vilifying the entire Sinaloa drug cartel. Link to post Share on other sites
Guard dad Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 I would counter and say you have conditioned yourself to love him to the point you are blind to the damage he is causing the hate,anger and division he has brought upon us and the danger he presents to the security of this nation and the world. Ignorance may be bliss but .... What kind of life is that ? Please show me one post where I said I love him? I'm just being fair. Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenCain Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Yes, I am vilifying the entire Sinaloa drug cartel. Don't play coy we both know what your doing. Please show me one post where I said I love him? I'm just being fair. You don't have to say it . 2 Link to post Share on other sites
gpatt0n Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Yes, I am vilifying the entire Sinaloa drug cartel. Including the grandmother whose involvement with the cartel was the proximate cause of the innocent child's death? Finally, I have no problem with acting very aggressively toward the cartel. I just know that one of the keys to any kind of law enforcement is to have good relations with the vast majority of hispanics who have no association with the cartel but instead are victims of their predatory activities. The problem with the right-wing lock'em all up policies is that the threat of incarceration and deportation kill any local cooperation. Further, you have to be either unforgivably cruel or ignorant to think these kinds of broad repressive policies in that community would have any other impact other than division and hate. So when I hear folks promoting this kind of self-defeating policy prescription I think them incompetent to create pragmatic policies that work. Which begs the question, why would anyone hire (elect) these people with a proven record of failure to do any public job. . pubby Link to post Share on other sites
shannonsolomon Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 I wonder if the reason nobody cares is because she was American? Link to post Share on other sites
mrshoward Posted July 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Including the grandmother whose involvement with the cartel was the proximate cause of the innocent child's death? Finally, I have no problem with acting very aggressively toward the cartel. I just know that one of the keys to any kind of law enforcement is to have good relations with the vast majority of hispanics who have no association with the cartel but instead are victims of their predatory activities. The problem with the right-wing lock'em all up policies is that the threat of incarceration and deportation kill any local cooperation. Further, you have to be either unforgivably cruel or ignorant to think these kinds of broad repressive policies in that community would have any other impact other than division and hate. So when I hear folks promoting this kind of self-defeating policy prescription I think them incompetent to create pragmatic policies that work. Which begs the question, why would anyone hire (elect) these people with a proven record of failure to do any public job. . pubby The problem with unfettered illegal immigration is that you create communities that live in the shadows on the fringes of society, the residents of those communities are then vulnerable to predation by gangs and cartels... they become the primary victims of an unsecure border. Link to post Share on other sites
gpatt0n Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 What gave you the idea that ANYONE WAS FOR UNFETTERED ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION? We just don't want to jail everyone who comes across the border, take their kids away and lock-em in cages and participate in the despised scum immigrant bigotry that is the highlight of the right. It is observable that there is and has been a net out-migration since 2008 and that communities that call themselves 'sanctuary cities' tend to do better in policing these immigrant communities because the mere appearance of LEO does not mean deportation ... and if you are a victim of a crime this means that talking to the police is not an act that will get you immediately arrested and deported ... like Beauregard Sessions wants to do. Frankly, it is all about the design of the system. We think it is better, more American and more Christian to design a system that is merciful, kind and efficient instead of profitable to one elite group but otherwise cold, cruel and, yes, very expensive. pubby Link to post Share on other sites
Jamie Weaver Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 What gave you the idea that ANYONE WAS FOR UNFETTERED ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION? pubby LOL...I think the democrat party walked off and forgot you. - Jamie 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Guard dad Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 LOL...I think the democrat party walked off and forgot you. - Jamie He clearly hasn't been listening to the statements some top Democrats have been making. Link to post Share on other sites
gpatt0n Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 LOL...I think the democrat party walked off and forgot you. - Jamie That's utter BS. Even Obama was criticized for the high level of deportations that occurred during his administration. If you haven't grasped it, Trumps interest in demonizing immigration is just another way to rally the bigoted portion of his base. While there is some overlap with the gun part of the base and the climate denying part of the base and the main-street part of his base, there are few other policy areas that he combine hate, fear and bigotry into a significant voting block. On today's events, even Newt Gingrich criticized Trump saying his comments in Helsinki were the worst mistake he has made in his presidency and that he needs to clarify his remarks. pubby Link to post Share on other sites
mrshoward Posted July 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) Pubby : "What gave you the idea that ANYONE WAS FOR UNFETTERED ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?" Reasonable American : "I want Trump to enforce the law, secure the border, and build the wall." Pubby : "Bigot, Nazi, racist." Edited July 16, 2018 by mrshoward 2 Link to post Share on other sites
gpatt0n Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 Pubby : "What gave you the idea that ANYONE WAS FOR UNFETTERED ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?" Reasonable American : "I want Trump to enforce the law, secure the border, and build the wall." Pubby : "Bigot, Nazi, racist." If he had said what you said, I would have said only that I oppose a ridiculous wall. .when he calls neo-nazi's good people as they chant blood and soil while walking through a southern city waving confederate flags and protecting statues of traitors to the Union, I add both bigot and nazi to the spiel. pubby Link to post Share on other sites
mrshoward Posted July 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 If he had said what you said, I would have said only that I oppose a ridiculous wall. .when he calls neo-nazi's good people as they chant blood and soil while walking through a southern city waving confederate flags and protecting statues of traitors to the Union, I add both bigot and nazi to the spiel. pubby That never happened... read the transcript. Link to post Share on other sites
ITMFA Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 That never happened... read the transcript. You don't have to read the transcript, you can watch the video. He said there are very fine people on both sides. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/ https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs?t=1m5s Link to post Share on other sites
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