Delta Flight Attendants reject Union, again

[Cathyhelms]

I'm not a big fan of Delta, they are always late.....they have ridiculous fees for luggage and flight changes but the Flight Attendants are some of the best I've seen.

 

Not only does this effect the Delta Flight Attendants but those that came from Northwest Airlines as well. They were Union but now are not.

 

Oh yea and the Unions are crying foul, imagine that.

 

CNN Money

[bvrat5199]

There is most likely more to this story.

 

Home Depot is anti-union. They will find ways to fire employees that attempt to start one. I have witnessed this first hand. The pressure from companies on their employees to be anti-union is great. One must wonder how much influence that had on the vote.

[afriendlygeek]

Based on what happened with another Union's vote earlier this year at Delta, my guess is that the results will be discarded and the FA's will have another chance to vote within the next few months.

 

The AFA election would not be the first in which Delta was found to have acted improperly. In February, the International Association of Machinists challenged the results of a February election in which about 90 flight simulator technicians voted not to unionize. The three-member NMB unanimously found that Delta's conduct interfered with its employees' free choice. The election was re-run in August and September, and the union lost for a second time.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10910784/2/delta-vote-results-union-wants-re-run.html

 

Given the narrow margin of the results (9544-9216), and if there is a do-over, the outcome will not be a given. Until the NMB rules on the do-over, I don't think there will be a party at Delta HQ.

[+North of the Border]

Good for Delta!! Enough with unions!!

[champsbbcoach]

There is most likely more to this story.

 

Home Depot is anti-union. They will find ways to fire employees that attempt to start one. I have witnessed this first hand. The pressure from companies on their employees to be anti-union is great. One must wonder how much influence that had on the vote.

hurrah for home depot.. Unions were good for the country at one time, but no longer.

[lotstodo]

This will go a long way to allowing a large airline to compete on equal footing with the smaller competitors. From what I understand, the Union work rules are what the airlines most object to. There was little if any difference in pay and benefits between Delta and Northwest, in fact Delta's non-union flight attendants are paid more than NW's Union flight attendants. This will allow the new Delta flexibility in route and crew deployment decisions.

[Cathyhelms]

hurrah for home depot.. Unions were good for the country at one time, but no longer.

 

They spent billions millions and millions of dollars of the Union members $ on this election, now they're going to ask the Feds to bail out their failing pension plans.

[jet_man1969]

They spent billions of dollars of the Union Members $ on this election, now they're going to ask the Feds to bail out their failing pension plans.

 

BILLIONS really?? I have to call BS on this one and ask for your source. Also could you please show me where the AFA's pension plan is being bailed out by the feds?

[WHITEY]

They spent billions of dollars of the Union Members $ on this election, now they're going to ask the Feds to bail out their failing pension plans.

Naturegirl this is the most blatant mis information that I have ever see you post, No union has ever gave billions of dollars to political campaigns, And you know this for a fact?????

Furthermore the Delta Airlines pension plan has already been taken over by the Federal government, As has most other airlines, And many other industries have also bankrupt and the pension plans have been taken over by the federal government.

 

You really need to retract your post here,Because it is obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about. No UNION DUES can be used in a Political contest

 

Union Members can contribute to a special PAC,And that is the only money that can be used, Most Unions have PAC's, Just like most large corporations have PACS.

 

 

Finally,Delta Airlines has received millions in tax dollars for the past several years from the taxpayers of the State of Georgia, And at the same time took away the HTR from all property owners in the State of Georgia, And laid off thousands of teachers in order to provide this tax break. Where is your reasoning on this issue????

[Cathyhelms]

OK, OK, Jeez they only spent mllions and some of it was stimulus $. Dang guys, do you want to beat me up?? LOL

 

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Union leaders will unleash a concerted attack against Republican candidates and their "right-wing agenda" beginning this Labor Day weekend as they rally to stem expected Democratic losses in November's midterm elections.

 

The head of the nation's largest organized labor federation on Wednesday vowed a two-month media and grass-roots campaign to define the election as a fight between Democrats' efforts for the nation's workers versus Republicans' efforts to regain control of Congress for corporate America.

 

"We either rebuild a fundamentally different economy that values hard work and a strong middle class, or we'll turn back toward one that puts corporate interests before people," AFL-CIO President Richard L. Trumka said.

 

Mr. Trumka said the federation will play roles in more than 400 races nationwide, promoting its election agenda with a "massive mobilization" in 26 states. It will focus on 70 House races as well as Senate, gubernatorial and state legislative contests.

 

Republicans dismissed labor's characterization that they are anti-worker, and knocked labor for supporting Democrats "job-killing agenda."

 

"It shouldn't go unnoticed that the same worn-out message big labor bosses are spinning today is the same message they tried to sell in Virginia, New Jersey and most recently in Massachusetts, but their problem is that voters just aren't buying it," said Brian Walsh, a spokesman with the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the fundraising arm of Senate Republicans.

 

Mr. Trumka acknowledged that organized labor was caught flat-footed in elections this year, particularly Republican Scott Brown's surprise victory in Massachusetts to fill the seat of the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, a Democrat.

 

While the AFL-CIO routinely spends millions of dollars on get-out-the-vote campaigns aimed at helping Democrats during midterm and presidential election seasons, this year's campaign has added significance. Well-funded conservatives groups such as the Tea Party Express, which has spent more than $2 million supporting Republican candidates in the past year, are adding pressure to unions and other groups sympathetic to Democrats to amp up their own election efforts.

Washington Times

 

The American Federation of Teachers, for example, has donated $27.7 million to political campaigns over the last two decades, $27.4 million of which went to Democrats. In other words, literally 99 percent of their political donations went to Democratic candidates. The National Education Association isn’t much better: They have donated $30.6 million in the same timeframe, $28.5 million of which went to Democrats. That’s “only” 93 percent; compared to the AFT, they’re paragons of bipartisanship.

 

Lubbock online

 

House and Senate candidates have already shattered fundraising records for a midterm election and are on their way to surpassing $2 billion in spending for the first time, according to new campaign finance data.

 

To put it another way: That's the equivalent of about $4 million for every congressional seat up for grabs this year.

 

The frantic fundraising by candidates has largely been overshadowed in recent weeks by a tide of spending by outside interest groups, most of it targeting vulnerable Democrats. Such groups could spend $400 million or more by Nov. 2.

 

But the latest Federal Election Commission data, along with a new study from a campaign watchdog group, show that most of the money sloshing around the 2010 elections is being raised and spent by the candidates themselves.

 

As of last week, House and Senate campaigns reported taking in more than $1.5 billion, exceeding the total collected by congressional candidates in 2006 and in 2008, FEC data show. Most of that money already has been put toward advertising and other expenses.

 

Washington Post

[WHITEY]

OK, OK, Jeez they only spent mllions and some of it was stimulus $. Dang guys, do you want to beat me up?? LOL

 

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Washington Times

 

 

 

Lubbock online

 

 

 

Washington Post

 

Calling BS on you again, Show me where stimulus dollars was spent by the Unions In this Campaign, Better yet show me one Union that received stimulus money. Get real and post facts, Cut out the Bull S##T

[Cathyhelms]

Calling BS on you again, Show me where stimulus dollars was spent by the Unions In this Campaign, Better yet show me one Union that received stimulus money. Get real and post facts, Cut out the Bull S##T

 

 

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7246172_stimulus-bill-unions_.html

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704164904575421613093659730.html

 

http://www.resistnet.com/profiles/blogs/50-billion-stimulus-for-unions

 

http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2010/08/06/more-taxpayer-stimulus-for-unions-freddie-macfannie-mae-bailoutswasteful-pork/

 

There are plenty more.

[WHITEY]

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7246172_stimulus-bill-unions_.html

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704164904575421613093659730.html

 

http://www.resistnet.com/profiles/blogs/50-billion-stimulus-for-unions

 

http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2010/08/06/more-taxpayer-stimulus-for-unions-freddie-macfannie-mae-bailoutswasteful-pork/

 

There are plenty more.

Still BS, BTW you got some of the stimulus dollars for your business, As well as about $2 billion to the state of Georgia for education,And there is plenty more

[Cathyhelms]

Still BS, BTW you got some of the stimulus dollars for your business, As well as about $2 billion to the state of Georgia for education,And there is plenty more

 

It's not BS. Plenty of stimulus $ went to Unions, the only reason we got any work is because there is no union in Georgia for our trade. It cost us 30% more in labor than any other job we have done, we still had to pay "prevailing wage", that is what the government decided it should be.

 

Well, we lost our shirts on the job but we managed to keep 1 crew and 6 other employees from getting laid off. Considering the government managed to virtually shut down all construction for the last 4 years.

 

My kids are grown, I don't have any in school.

[WHITEY]

It's not BS. Plenty of stimulus $ went to Unions, the only reason we got any work is because there is no union in Georgia for our trade. It cost us 30% more in labor than any other job we have done, we still had to pay "prevailing wage", that is what the government decided it should be.

 

Well, we lost our shirts on the job but we managed to keep 1 crew and 6 other employees from getting laid off. Considering the government managed to virtually shut down all construction for the last 4 years.

 

My kids are grown, I don't have any in school.

Can you explain

Considering the government managed to virtually shut down all construction for the last 4 years

??

 

I am glad the government required paying the Prevailing wageThis kept employers from hiring Illegals to perform the work

[Cathyhelms]

[afriendlygeek]

Senator Isakson and I are in agreement. I think it is a given that the NMB will rule in the Union's favor since it is controlled by Obama appointees and because Delta had a well developed campaign regarding the election. I'm not finding fault with Delta as I think they did the only thing that they could do to minimize the risk of having the FA's vote in favor of the Union. I'm sure that they are expecting to lose the appeal and already have "plan b" in works. In my estimation, the determining factor in union versus company issues, almost always hinges on whether the current president is a Democrat or Republican.

 

 

Delta Air Lines Inc. flight attendants' vote to reject union representation may be nullified by a U.S. labor board controlled by Obama administration appointees, according to a senator and an analyst.

 

The National Mediation Board, which in August ordered a new election for technicians who work on simulators for Delta, will take similar action after reviewing flight-attendant allegations of company interference in balloting, said Ray Neidl, an analyst at Maxim Group LLC in New York. "The deck is stacked in the union's favor," he said in an interview.

 

Democratic appointees of President Barack Obama gained a majority on the three-member board last year, and in May eased the rules for organizing elections in the airline industry. Given that stance, the panel will probably order a revote by the flight attendants, said Senator Johnny Isakson, a Georgia Republican.

 

"Nothing tells me they won't do that," Isakson said in an interview.

 

http://www.bloomberg...html?cmpid=yhoo

[kcarlsonlpn]

It's not BS. Plenty of stimulus $ went to Unions, the only reason we got any work is because there is no union in Georgia for our trade. It cost us 30% more in labor than any other job we have done, we still had to pay "prevailing wage", that is what the government decided it should be.

 

Well, we lost our shirts on the job but we managed to keep 1 crew and 6 other employees from getting laid off. Considering the government managed to virtually shut down all construction for the last 4 years.

 

My kids are grown, I don't have any in school.

 

But you're A-OK with the Citizens United decision?

 

 

 

mrnn