lowrider Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 It wouldn't be the first time a Republican was handed a robust economy and drove it into the crapper. Robust? I busted out laughing. Handed a robust economy OMGeeeee 2 Link to post Share on other sites
mojo413 Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) Consumer confidence is not based on the policies of this administration. If there is a direct connection between the two, you are welcome to show it to me. Investor confidence is based upon laissez-faire capitalism from deregulation, all supported by this administration. We all know a lack of oversight due to deregulation is a ticking time bomb that leads to corruption and collapse. Surfing the web shows as many articles saying Trump does not influence consumer confidence as says he does. The end results are in the eyes of the participant. I'm enjoying many of my earnings accumulated during the Reagan years. I've got a good friend who cusses the mention of Reagan. According to my friend Reagan killed his financial portfolio. I've got another friend who has said for years "It's Not A Matter Of How Much You Make. It's A Matter Of How You Spend What You Make". Those who work hard, study the Market and save will do good. Those who put nothing away now will have nothing down the road. But what I'm saying is nothing new. I've used the same principals thru Carter, Reagan, 2) Bush's, Clinton, and now Trump years. Heck I was able to retire during Obama's years. Actually Carter years were good for me. I learned to live on corn bread and beans. Edited October 25, 2017 by mojo413 Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenCain Posted October 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Robust? I busted out laughing. Handed a robust economy OMGeeeee Maybe your life was a bust, I don't know, but the rest of the country did quite well under Obama Link to post Share on other sites
Foxmeister Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Consumer confidence is not based on the policies of this administration. If there is a direct connection between the two, you are welcome to show it to me. Investor confidence is based upon laissez-faire capitalism from deregulation, all supported by this administration. We all know a lack of oversight due to deregulation is a ticking time bomb that leads to corruption and collapse. I quickly found several articles that point out and explain the different elements that affect consumer and business/investor confidence. Here's one. Be sure to scroll down and see #5, as it states "Announced policy shifts in the stance of government fiscal policy, including large structural spending cuts or increases/decreases in taxation rates." I recommend you take some economic classes before shooting your mouth off. Have a good evening. Link to post Share on other sites
lowrider Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Maybe your life was a bust, I don't know, but the rest of the country did quite well under Obama And you’re serious, aren’t you? SMDH 1 Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenCain Posted October 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 And you’re serious, aren’t you? SMDH https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-19/ranking-the-obama-economy Link to post Share on other sites
DomesticViolenceByProxy Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) I quickly found several articles that point out and explain the different elements that affect consumer and business/investor confidence. Here's one. Be sure to scroll down and see #5, as it states "Announced policy shifts in the stance of government fiscal policy, including large structural spending cuts or increases/decreases in taxation rates." I recommend you take some economic classes before shooting your mouth off. Have a good evening. I've taken economics courses so for you to make ass-umptions makes you an ass-umer... Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem. You might consider takes some classes in reading comprehension. Read what I wrote again and this time show how Trump's policies boost consumer confidence. Everyone knows that policy announcements can affect confidence for better or worse. Again, show how Trump's policy announcements have boosted consumer confidence. My contention is that the economy is driven by Mainstreet having disposable income. Why don't you give 1% of the kids in your neighborhood all of the candy and see how much of it trickles down to the kids who received none. Edited October 25, 2017 by Domestic Violence by Proxy Link to post Share on other sites
Foxmeister Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 I've taken economics courses so for you to make ass-umptions makes you an ass-umer... Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem. You might consider takes some classes in reading comprehension. Read what I wrote again and this time show how Trump's policies boost consumer confidence. Everyone knows that policy announcements can affect confidence for better or worse. Again, show how Trump's policy announcements have boosted consumer confidence. My contention is that the economy is driven by Mainstreet having disposable income. Why don't you give 1% of the kids in your neighborhood all of the candy and see how much of it trickles down to the kids who received none. You could have fooled me about you taking economic classes in college, because you still don't understand how the market works. If you think that consumers and business investors are not confident about Trump and the Republican plan to reduce taxes, repeal job killing EPA regulations that don't make a difference to the environment; then think again. Link to post Share on other sites
glassdogs Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 I've taken economics courses Just because you claim you sat in a classroom doesn't mean you actually learned anything.... Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenCain Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 You could have fooled me about you taking economic classes in college, because you still don't understand how the market works. I can't decide which of pcom's 3 Amigos is the most Trump-like let's see, WANTS AMERICA TO KNOW HE’S A ‘VERY INTELLIGENT spends a substantial amount of time tweeting insults at his political opponents " I was a nice student. I did very well. I’m a very intelligent person" has “one of the great memories of all time "I’m, like, a really smart person" has a tenuous relationship with facts and frequently misspeaks. http://www.newsweek.com/trump-wants-america-know-hes-very-intelligent-person-who-went-ivy-league-693014 It's obviously a toss up. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
DomesticViolenceByProxy Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 You could have fooled me about you taking economic classes in college, because you still don't understand how the market works. If you think that consumers and business investors are not confident about Trump and the Republican plan to reduce taxes, repeal job killing EPA regulations that don't make a difference to the environment; then think again. I have a very clear understanding of how the market works. You have to have a reasonable balance of regulations. You think complete deregulation works. It does not. So in other words you can't prove that Trump's policies have boosted consumer confidence. You want me to believe his policies had a positive impact because you say so. It seems you don't understand as much as you would lead others to believe. If you can't explain it, you don't understand it yourself. Link to post Share on other sites
Foxmeister Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Maybe your life was a bust, I don't know, but the rest of the country did quite well under Obama :rofl: :rofl: Link to post Share on other sites
Foxmeister Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 I have a very clear understanding of how the market works. You have to have a reasonable balance of regulations. You think complete deregulation works. It does not. So in other words you can't prove that Trump's policies have boosted consumer confidence. You want me to believe his policies had a positive impact because you say so. It seems you don't understand as much as you would lead others to believe. If you can't explain it, you don't understand it yourself. I never said there wasn't a need for regulations. Read this. Link to post Share on other sites
Guard dad Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Maybe your life was a bust, I don't know, but the rest of the country did quite well under Obama Only the ones who benefited from the doubling of the national debt. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
DomesticViolenceByProxy Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 I never said there wasn't a need for regulations. Read this. Let's try it this way. When consumer confidence increased under Clinton and Obama, did you attribute it to either of those President's policies? I seem to recall under Clinton, the conservative line was the President doesn't affect business. "Anyone could be President." Link to post Share on other sites
Foxmeister Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Let's try it this way. When consumer confidence increased under Clinton and Obama, did you attribute it to either of those President's policies? I seem to recall under Clinton, the conservative line was the President doesn't affect business. "Anyone could be President." While Clinton was president, who here said that? Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenCain Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Only the ones who benefited from the doubling of the national debt. Yes Obama doubled the debt so did Bush 43. Reagan tripled the debt and is seen by the right as the greatest president of all time. Like Roosevelt Obama took office in a national economic crisis and you being the master of economics, the Warren Buffet of Paulding county that you keep reminding everyone (over and over and over again) should know that if any time calls for deficit spending to stimulate a faltering economy 2008 was exactly just such a time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Foxmeister Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Yes Obama doubled the debt so did Bush 43. Reagan tripled the debt and is seen by the right as the greatest president of all time. Like Roosevelt Obama took office in a national economic crisis and you being the master of economics, the Warren Buffet of Paulding county that you keep reminding everyone (over and over and over again) should know that if any time calls for deficit spending to stimulate a faltering economy 2008 was exactly just such a time. I disagree. The government does not deficit causing spending to stimulate the economy. I'm a firm believer the government should operate with a balanced budget. Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenCain Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) I disagree. The government does not deficit causing spending to stimulate the economy. I'm a firm believer the government should operate with a balanced budget. Well I know you are another one of our board economic gurus and who am I to argue with a learned scholar such as yourself but I would just mention that every economist in the entire world would disagree. That if anytime calls for deficit spending by any government it is during an economic crisis. * I will give you guys credit like any good student of the Trump-method you managed to turn this thread from Trump's mismanagement of a simple phone call to a grieving widow to Obama's handling of the recession, good job. Edited October 26, 2017 by CitizenCain 1 Link to post Share on other sites
DomesticViolenceByProxy Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 While Clinton was president, who here said that? Care to answer a question before you start asking questions? Link to post Share on other sites
mrshoward Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Well I know you are another one of our board economic gurus and who am I to argue with a learned scholar such as yourself but I would just mention that every economist in the entire world would disagree. That if anytime calls for deficit spending by any government it is during an economic crisis. * I will give you guys credit like any good student of the Trump-method you managed to turn this thread from Trump's mismanagement of a simple phone call to a grieving widow to Obama's handling of the recession, good job. This was never about the grieving widow... it was always about your irrational hatred of Trump. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenCain Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) This was never about the grieving widow... it was always about your irrational hatred of Trump. Irrational ? Oh contraire, if hatred can be justified and in some cases it surely can hatred of Donald Trump and all he stands for could be the most rational emotion any decent American could have since Joe McCarthy . Edited October 26, 2017 by CitizenCain Link to post Share on other sites
mojo413 Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 This was never about the grieving widow... it was always about your irrational hatred of Trump. And to think, Today is Hillary's Birthday. I'm laughing my head off thinking that's not going to be a very festive birthday party. I hope no one comes up with the idea of 1 candle on the cake for every reason Hillary lost to President Trump, the fire will be so big they might not be able to save the building. Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenCain Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 And to think, Today is Hillary's Birthday. I'm laughing my head off thinking that's not going to be a very festive birthday party. I hope no one comes up with the idea of 1 candle on the cake for every reason Hillary lost to President Trump, the fire will be so big they might not be able to save the building. She did indeed lose the race which makes me wonder when will Trump and his supporters stop campaigning against her ? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
mojo413 Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 She did indeed lose the race which makes me wonder when will Trump and his supporters stop campaigning against her ? I did not realize we were campaigning against her. It's funny to us she keeps explaining the reason she lost. I've heard her bring up every excuse except she was a terrible candidate. Even President Trump said it would be great (for his campaign) if she runs again. Now it's looking like her and Bill loved the Russian's money. Of course none of that will be decided on PeeCom. Link to post Share on other sites
Guard dad Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Yes Obama doubled the debt so did Bush 43. Reagan tripled the debt and is seen by the right as the greatest president of all time. Like Roosevelt Obama took office in a national economic crisis and you being the master of economics, the Warren Buffet of Paulding county that you keep reminding everyone (over and over and over again) should know that if any time calls for deficit spending to stimulate a faltering economy 2008 was exactly just such a time. You sure? Let's look at some real numbers added under each president from Reagan to Obama: Reagan - 1.86 trillion Bush 41 - 1.554 trillion (4 years) Clinton - 1.396 trillion Bush 43 - 5.849 trillion Obama - 9.321 trillion It should be noted that under Bush 43, he and congress had to respond to the 9/11 attacks on our economic system. It should also be noted, in fairness to all the presidents, that Congress holds the purse strings and does the actual spending. But the President has to sign the bills, so he also bears some responsibility. Obama bears a higher share of responsibility than the other presidents because the bulk of the spending under his watch resulted from legislation planned by he and Congressional Democrats well before the election, and once he was elected congress promptly passed the pre-planned spending bills and Obama rubber stamped them. As percentages of increase go, your figures are closer, though still incorrect. Reagan presided over a 186% increase Bush 41 a 54% increase Clinton a 32% increase Bush 43 a 101% increase Obama - Lots of different numbers out there, but it was in the area of 90 - 105% Of interest...FDR holds the record with a 1048% increase!!! Percentages are helpful, but the real issue is dollars that must be paid back. And Obama added more dollars to the debt than the last 43 presidents combined!! These are all real numbers that you are free to confirm. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
cptlo306 Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 You sure? Let's look at some real numbers added under each president from Reagan to Obama: Reagan - 1.86 trillion Bush 41 - 1.554 trillion (4 years) Clinton - 1.396 trillion Bush 43 - 5.849 trillion Obama - 9.321 trillion It should be noted that under Bush 43, he and congress had to respond to the 9/11 attacks on our economic system. It should also be noted, in fairness to all the presidents, that Congress holds the purse strings and does the actual spending. But the President has to sign the bills, so he also bears some responsibility. Obama bears a higher share of responsibility than the other presidents because the bulk of the spending under his watch resulted from legislation planned by he and Congressional Democrats well before the election, and once he was elected congress promptly passed the pre-planned spending bills and Obama rubber stamped them. As percentages of increase go, your figures are closer, though still incorrect. Reagan presided over a 186% increase Bush 41 a 54% increase Clinton a 32% increase Bush 43 a 101% increase Obama - Lots of different numbers out there, but it was in the area of 90 - 105% Of interest...FDR holds the record with a 1048% increase!!! Percentages are helpful, but the real issue is dollars that must be paid back. And Obama added more dollars to the debt than the last 43 presidents combined!! These are all real numbers that you are free to confirm. How dare you bring facts into this discussion? Facts aren't welcome around here. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenCain Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 How dare you bring facts into this discussion? Facts aren't welcome around here. Especially when some have such a large habit of glazing over or ignoring those facts that don't suit them. Link to post Share on other sites
Foxmeister Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Care to answer a question before you start asking questions? Sure, when you start answering all questions asked of you. Link to post Share on other sites
DomesticViolenceByProxy Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Sure, when you start answering all questions asked of you. I asked first... Link to post Share on other sites
mrshoward Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 A soldier's perspective on Bergdahl http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-op-1025-bergdahl-sentencing-20171023-story.html Link to post Share on other sites
Foxmeister Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 I asked first... What question would you like an answer to? A soldier's perspective on Bergdahl http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-op-1025-bergdahl-sentencing-20171023-story.html He should be executed. Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenCain Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Donald Trump Throws U.S. Generals Under The Bus In Regard To Niger Attackhttps://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-generals-niger_us_59f19528e4b0438859154c04?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313 Link to post Share on other sites
Foxmeister Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Donald Trump Throws U.S. Generals Under The Bus In Regard To Niger Attack https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-generals-niger_us_59f19528e4b0438859154c04?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313 Who committed US troops to Niger? Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenCain Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 Who committed US troops to Niger? A man that would have accepted his responsibility as Commander in Chief. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
glassdogs Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 A man that would have accepted his responsibility as Commander in Chief. Well, that narrows it down. Neither Clinton nor Obama never accepted any responsibility for anything. Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenCain Posted October 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) Well, that narrows it down. Neither Clinton nor Obama never accepted any responsibility for anything. Edited October 26, 2017 by CitizenCain Link to post Share on other sites
Foxmeister Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 A man that would have accepted his responsibility as Commander in Chief. You really think Obama would have accepted responsibility? Do you think we should have troops in Niger? Link to post Share on other sites
jennilyn77 Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 When you're outraged over a black man taking a knee but not over our commander and chief blatantly disrespecting veterans and their families, you're a hypocrite. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1263073297131347&id=1171324306306247 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Foxmeister Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 When you're outraged over a black man taking a knee but not over our commander and chief blatantly disrespecting veterans and their families, you're a hypocrite. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1263073297131347&id=1171324306306247 I don't see where he blatantly disrespected veterans and their families. Why don't you explain? Link to post Share on other sites
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