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Obviously it is pretty hard to deny written statements and even though we are posting under anonymous names, information can always be subpoenaed. I guess it could even be possible that in light of what is currently going on in various blogs, etc. in "internet world" that there MIGHT even be attorneys out in cyber space that are even looking for violations such as these on blogs, etc.
One thing people fail to think about though...
Yeah, information can be subpoenaed, BUT that still proves nothing when you are pointing a finger at who posted the slander.
If I post something slanderous and the police/court get a warrant for Pubby's records (his connection info as well as ISP connection info),
that really doesn't prove anything.
All it proves is that MY computer was used on MY internet connection and that information was posted that way.
It still doesn't and can't prove who was sitting at the keyboard and typing the words being posted.
Especially, with the use of remote control programs, such as WebEx, VNC and Remote Desktop, I can post or type something
from a remote location and have it appear as that it came from my home computer (which technically it did), but I was controlling it
from the outside. A hacker can easily do this, and they do quite a bit in the form of keyloggers and Trojans.
Unless you have video proof of someone actually typing the words, you really can't prove (without a doubt) that someone specific
posted the slander.
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This one is a little more interesting as it demonstrates the breadth of the law protecting speech in cases involving governmental activities and criticism of such activities.
Anyway, I thought folks would like to know that you can be sued for what you write on a message board and how much it costs you ... just attorney's fees or a judgement ... will depend on the facts of the case.
Ok, so what's the difference if someone slanders you in public or on a message board?
Defamation of character and/or slander is still defamation of character and slander, no matter what medium it's on/in.
What's the problem? If you can't back it up...keep it to yourself.
If you choose to publish or state something that could harm another persons character and you can't back it up
and show proof, you should be held liable.
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I think that this *could* be the start of a gun ban in the country...something I would have usually been for, since statistics show that countries with stricter gun laws have less crime. My problem looks beyond the surface at the underlying dark current that *could* be at work here...disarm the slaves, so to speak.
Alone it's no big deal, but together with the variety of other things happening...trend setting.
This instance is definitely not the "start" of the gun ban...
Do some research on HR 45, written and presented by Illinois rep Bobby Rush (D) on Jan 6th of this year.
You want to see what the real threat and what will lead to gun bans.... read his proposed bill.
Some of the information found on the net on HR 45 is blown out of proportion slightly,
but the majority of it is real. Luckily, it has yet to be co-sponsored and there's
a good chance it's not going very far... but the idiot from Illinois still tried it and others
will try it as well...
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Holy sheeze did we just agree on something?
Yeah, I was thinking that while I was reading the threads...
But hey, it happens!
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Behavioral Psychology 101.
If odds were a good predictor of human behavior the lottery would be a massive failure.
Might want to go back and take Psychology 101 again, because odds
being the predictor of human behavior is exactly why the lottery is successul.
It's the same odds that people sit and give dollar after dollar trying to get a bigger stuffed animal
at the shooting gallery at the traveling carnival.
Odds are, they aren't going to shoot a big winning shot. The barker has taken one of their dollars.
Person wants the big prize, so they play again, at another dollar. The barker takes another dollar.
The person keeps playing until they get the big prize, in which most cases, they have spent more
getting the big prize than they would if they had bought it out-right. The barker has MUCH more money than the prize cost him.
The lottery is the same way. They put out a few small winning tickets, in which people keep their hopes up of winning the big money.
So, every week, they are out buying ticket after ticket after ticket... sometimes even neglecting bills and other necessities to buy the tickets.
Human behavior being predictable is exactly why the lottery works.
Unlike mathematics, human behavior is rarely logical or rational.Behavior is primarily an unconscious emotional response to perception.
Logic and rational and being a response to perception is completely different from being predictable.
You don't have to be rational or logical to be predictable.
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I think most people are saying they simply refuse to "live scared" and avoid leaving their houses out of fear.
Right. And IF we sit back and "live scared" then the terrorists have won.
That is their goal... to create terror.
Terror.
Noun-
intense, sharp, overmastering fear: to be frantic with terror.
While their acts of terrorism cause us agnoy and pain, we must never sit back
and live in fear... that's exactly what they want.
When we do so, we have given up all hope.
Not me.
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And No matter what anyone states.. they have no idea what they will do....
I will not live in fear and be scared. Our family has a plan. We (family) have had a plan since I was born.. it just changes as the family changes.... but it is the same basic plan. It didn't change for 9/11, it has not changed since we have elected President Obama. There will always be a threat of an attack..
So, if you don't know what you'll do in a situation such as this, then why do you have a "plan"?
That is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard.
You think I don't know what I'll do? Got news for you... I know exactly what I would do.
Give me a scenerio and I'll tell you exactly what I'd do.
If you truely believed that you don't know what you'd do, why do you have a "plan" for just such an occassion?
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So sorry this happened to you.......that is why we NEVER bank, shop or do anything online...........it has happened to alot of our friends.........
Nothing wrong with shopping online... BUT, you should NEVER use your ATM/Debit card.
Debit cards draw directly from your bank account. They do not have the same protection as credit cards,
even though they may have a VISA or other logo on them.
If you use a REAL credit card and have problems, you simply notify them that you didn't make the purchase
and you are disputing it and you are out no money. You don't have that protection with a debit card (fake credit card).
Use an Debit card and the money is out of your account and it's hell to try to get it put back in, *IF* they do.
People don't realize how dangerous debit cards actually are.... I wouldn't use a debit card for anything, in person or online.
They are just too easy and open for fraudulent activity.
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Not to mention we don’t know in this 4wheeler case, perhaps he had already written the citations??
Exactly what I was thinking. It's obvious nobody knows what the deal was... whether or not a citation was issued or not, etc..
Let's also add one other thing... Even if the deputy did in fact write a citation, he can't just turn the people loose to ride home.
If he did and they got hit, guess who'd be blamed for it? The deputy would be.
You'd be hearing people whine and moan, "well the deputy should have never let them ride after he wrote them a ticket..." etc, etc, etc.
Whether or not the deputy wrote a citation or not, to keep from being sued, he is most likely going to escort the people to a safe place/home.
It absolutely amazes me how many people jump to conclusions and post blame when they have no clue as to what the situation was
or what was going on. Good grief.
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Just an FYI and an addition to what wcso84 has already said...
First, "To Protect and Serve" is the motto of *some* police departments and was most sensationalized on
TV from the shows such as Adam 12, years ago. This was a "feel good" tactic for TV and some departments
added it to their vehicles to make the public a little more at rest.
Secondly, since we are talking about the Sheriff's department and not a police department, that would not be their motto.
And to build on what wcso84 said, you do not have any *right* to stick your nose in to a situation the officer is in.
When an officer is on scene and performing his duties, he is in the process of conducting an investigation.
If you approach him, as wcso84 said, that officer does not know your intention, and you are a distraction to their investigation,
so don't be surprised if you don't get the loving and caring attitude...
He is concerned for his safety and all those in his immediate area and under his investigation.
When you approach an officer under those conditions, not only are you injecting danger to the situation, you are obstructing an
investigation.... which he can then take your butt in to custody for...
If you want to know what's going on, the only *right* you have is to call the Sheriff's department
and give them administration a report on what you saw and request an investigation to make sure any wrong doing's didn't occur.
If it's still an active and open case, they still aren't going to give you any details.
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Indeed, it gets tiresome talking to these people. A lot of people think the shotgun is a deathray; the be all and end all of firearms.
Yep... People hear someone else talk about a shot gun for home defense, not knowing if the
person who is talking knows what they are talking about.
You are exactly right.... people think a shotgun is the biggest and baddest gun there is....-
And while is a nasty weapon and does have it's place, that place is not in the home for
close quarters personal defense.
It's generally the typical "Monkey see, Monkey do.." scenario.
Same thing with "the sound of a pump shot gun...."
Ok, so what if, by chance, the sound doesn't work. What if you have to fire the shotgun.
How long is it gonna take you to rack another round vs. me and a pistol? No chance in hell that you
are going to re-rack a shell before I have another pistol round ready to fire.
There's a reason why NRA certified home defense instructors don't recommend a shot gun
for home defense, ESPECIALLY to a female who is new to firearms.
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Call me crazy, but you just agreed with me. Cylinder is no choke. skeet is a choke. Thus, it is smaller/more constricted.
The way you wrote it, it sounded like you were saying skeet is on the other end of the spectrum.
By saying "cylinder" with the spread dimensions and then saying "skeet - less spread" you made it
sound like they were complete opposites.
A Skeet choke is only 5 thousands of an inch (0.005") smaller than "cylinder" and the spread
pattern at 20ft, between the two is minuscule.
If that's not how you meant it, then yes, I am agreeing with you.
Outside of "Cylinder," skeet is the least constrictive choke.
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You forgot Improved Cylinder.
Yep, dang sure did... good catch! List above edited to reflect Improved Cylinder.
Thanks!
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Skeet is a smaller choke (less spread.)
No, sorry, it isn't.
Skeet is not a smaller choke. Trap is a smaller choke.
Skeet is a wide shot pattern to hit a pigeon traveling across your path.
Trap is a constricted/narrow pattern to hit a pigeon traveling away from your fixed point.
The types of chokes are:
Cylinder, Skeet, Improved Cylinder, Light Modified, Modified, Improved Modified, Light Full, Full, Extra Full, and Super Full.
That list is in order from widest pattern to narrowest pattern.
Trap generally falls under Light Full or Full.
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You are forgetting the one thing about a shotgun that everyone knows, and that's the sound of one being cocked. Sometimes all you need is the intimidation factor, and a shotgun being cocked is often more than enough for some people.
And actually, that's not all that accurate.
In most home defense/intrusion cases, the sound of the home owner simply being home will frighten away a typical burgler.
In a case where a "armed robbery" is going to take place and the person is determined to do harm to you or your property,
the sound of a shot gun racking means nothing to them.
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People greatly overestimate how much a shotgun actually spreads, hell I have talked to plenty of people that think a shotgun will spread to a 3 or 4 foot pattern at 15 feet which is complete bull.
No, not quite. It depends on the shotgun and/or choke that is used.
If you use a full choke, yeah, it's not going to spread. A skeet choke will easily spread 3 to 4 feet in a 15 foot distance, that's what it's designed to do.
Snake shot, at 6 feet will have a bout a 3 ft spread, which is perfect for close quarters.
People go for a shotgun because that is what everyone tells them to go for (I know because I talk to a dozen of them a day) not because of any actual thought process behind it...You got it. For home defense, it's actually a poor choice of a weapon, for reasons why I stated previously.
One pellot won't do that much unless you hit a very vital area (hell if the target is on drugs or high on adrenaline there is no guarantee that they will even feel one or two ill-placed pellots) but get 3 or 4 in the same spot and it can create a pretty nasty wound.Yes, and you'd be surprised at a person coming at you that's on LSD... hollow points for the first shot or two may not be effective.
Drugs do very strange things to people and sometimes can seem to make them invincible.
There have been numerous cases of people being drugged up on LSD and being shot several times and yet they still keep coming.
And while home invasions are a good portion of the time people looking to fence your stuff for drug money,
it's actually not often that they are on LSD or drugs that have the same 'super human' effect.
Most of them are going to be on crack, marijuana, meth, etc...
Most of the time, an intruder is going to flee when they find out you are home.
If they don't, you can bet if you hit them with snake shot, they are going to leave.
I'm not sure if you understood what I was saying. I wasn't saying to use snake shot, solely.
I said to make snake shot your first round or two to ensure you slow the target down, so that you
can get better control of yourself to where the hollow points would be better placed and have a higher likelihood
of hitting their intended target.
I guess the point I am trying to make is, load whatever weapon you have with more effective ammunition (hollowpoints or better yet frangibles) to help insure that you stop the target when you hit it rather than marginally improving your accuracy.No problems here... As I said, hollow points are to stop the target.
The snake shot is to slow the target to give you a little more time for composure and better placement of the hollow points.
Especially for a new gun owner/shooter. You don't take lessons and learn to shoot perfect at the end of the lessons.
It takes practice, practice, and more practice. I can't count the number of hours that I spend shooting.
But I can tell you, no student of mine or anyone elses is going to end their lesson and go shoot even a 95%.
Over time, if they practice, they will learn to sharpen their skills.
But for a lady who's never shot before and is planning on using a handgun for personal defense,
she is not going to shoot precise the first time and in my experience, she will be scared out of her wits (as she should be).
A scatter weapon, followed by hollow points, is the best method, overall, for this type of situation.
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Yes, it will stop someone, but it is not as effective as a hollowpoint or frangible. And you aren't likely to hit any better with snake shot at ranges that you will be engaging a target anyway; you still have to aim.
Sorry, but that is not correct.
That's the whole point of people wanting to use a shot gun. It scatters. Yeah, you have to get in the general direction, but precise aim is NOT required.
Precise aim is not required with snake shot either. With a hollow point, you have to be precise.
And while I haven't actually had to shoot someone before, I have come close several times and I don't recall being scared or shaking, and my mind was far from scrambled (I had presence of mind enough to put my car into first gear with my foot on the clutch before he could get to my car. I thought everything through and looked for an avenue of escape.)So, your in your house with your family and someone breaks in... you grab your gun, you're not going to be scared?
Give me a break.
Looking for every avenue of escape is exactly what you should do, good job on that.
However, you will not convince me that in a life and death situation, you will not be scared or shaking.
I've taught too many people over the years and have seen far too many scenarios to know better than that.
I never said you wouldn't have presence of mind. I said your brain will be scrambled... as in it will have 10,000 things running through it,
from fear to what is your next step.
You must keep a cool head, that is the most important thing. If you can't do that, then neither snake shot nor anything else will do much to save you.That we can agree on. But a cool head does not prevent you from being scared or shaking.
When your adrenaline rises, which it WILL do, your heart will race, you'll likely break out in to a sweat, and you will NOT have precise control.
It's a simple fact. If it wasn't, the NRA would not be teaching what they teach...nor would I.
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i didnt read all of the posts, but make sure you know how to clean and maintain your gus as well, especially if it wont be shot regularly, you dont want any rusted or stuck parts in an emergency.
Excellent piece of advice. A good firearms instructor will not only teach you how to use your firearm,
but will teach you how to care, maintain, and clean it.
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Snake shot? You're kidding me right??? You want something that will STOP the target in one hit, not slow it down or piss it off STOP the target. I am sorry, if someone is attempting to kill me, I want STOPPING power not SLOWING power. Go with hollow points or frangibles.
If you are concerned about overpenetration of walls or the target, use frangible bullets instead of hollowpoints (or at least in place of the snakeshot) they won't overpenetrate and they create a much nastier wound especially in a dead on shot.
You don't think snake shot will stop someone? Got news for you... it will.
It's not about over-penetration, it's about hitting something while you are in a state of panic.
As I stated, snake shot gives you shot gun spread without being cumbersome like a shotgun.
It's really easy for you to say "I want something that will take them down on the first hit"...
It's obvious you've not been in a situation that requires pulling a gun and shooting someone.
It's a fact, it's VERY VERY rare that your first shot will even hit the subject.
Trust me, what you do at the range and what you do at target practice is NOT what you will
do the first time, every time, when in a life and death situation.
People don't realize what becomes of a person when they are put in a situation where you have to pull
and gun and be ready to use it. You absolutely can't imagine how scared you will be, how bad you will be shaking,
and how your heart races...and just how scrambled your mind will become.
That first shot will almost NEVER count. If you think it will, you need to talk to other people who had to experience it.
.... and just another note on the laser pointers from a previous comment. That's a good way to get yourself shot if the other subject is armed.
If you are in a dark house and someone comes in on you... if you can't see well and you turn a laser sight on,
you've just given yourself away to the intruder.
If you can't get out of the house and get away, for heaven's sake, please do not turn on something that gives you away in complete darkness.
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The person using deadly force must have a reasonable fear for his/her PERSONAL (as opposed to property) safety.
In other words, if someone breaks into your house and you're there with your shotgun, he turns and runs -- You can't go chase him down in your car and shoot him for having broken into your house.
Let's clarify this a little bit...
Georgia has a "Stand your ground law" and it DOES apply to personal property.
You can defend your property and dwelling with deadly force.
§ 16-3-23.1. No duty to retreat prior to use of force in self-defense
A person who uses threats or force in accordance with Code Section 16-3-21, relating to the use of force in defense of self or others, Code Section 16-3-23, relating to the use of force in defense of a habitation, or Code Section 16-3-24, relating to the use of force in defense of property other than a habitation, has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and use force as provided in said Code sections, including deadly force.
And your second sentence is absolutely correct. If the subject is fleeing, you are not permitted to use deadly force.
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I am a certified NRA instructor in both firearms and home defense.
What jlh10101 has said has been some sound advice.
Just an FYI for everyone here. The permit you get for Georgia is NOT, I repeat, is NOT, a concealed carry permit, also known as a CCW.
Georgia issues a "Firearms License" and it is required any time you carry a firearm on your person, concealed or not.
If it is in the glove box in your vehicle or in plain view, it is legal. If it is on your person, concealed or not, it is illegal without a license.
Anywhere in your home, does not require a license.
jlh10101 is absolutely right. You need to go to a range and rent a few different guns to find out what you are most comfortable shooting.
There is absolutely nothing to be scared about a gun, as long as you respect it and learn the proper way to use and care for one.
Once you have rented, got instruction, and are comfortable with one... then you can figure out which one you liked the best and which one you want to purchase.
If you have a firearms license at the time of purchase, you are not required to go through a background check at that time.
If you don't have a firearms license, you are required to go through a check each and every time you purchase.
Whatever you do, I don't suggest going with a shotgun for home defense. Many people say that, but it is a poor idea.
Any long gun, shotgun or rifle, is a poor choice for home defense, simply because if you were to get backed in to a corner or a closet,
you simply cannot maneuver it around. And in a confined space, you don't have the stance or bracing you need to fire a long gun.
Your best bet is to get a pistol that you are comfortable with. Since you are new to firearms, I strongly suggest that you do not get a semi-automatic.
If you pull the trigger and nothing happens, what are you going to do? What if you have a dud bullet? With a semi-auto, you have to eject the bad
shell and hope the next one fires. Wasted time. Not something you want when your life depends on it.
With a revolver, simply pull the trigger again and the cylinder rotates to the next bullet in line. Revolvers don't jam and they rarely misfire.
As far as ammunition, I suggest going with a cylinder half loaded with snake shot and half loaded with hollow points.
The snake shot is nothing more than a mini shotgun shell that is designed to shoot from a pistol.
If you use these types of shells as your first one or two shots, you have shot gun spread and slow down power.
Then, if the subject is still coming, which will definitely be slower after the snake shot, then you can fire a couple of
hollow points that will follow after the snake shot, in the cylinder. If/when you ever have to shoot in a home defense situation,
it is very likely you will empty the gun.
On the Firearms license. You will need to go to the Probate court, which is currently in the annex building, next to the courthouse, in Dallas.
Sometime in the middle of March, the Probate court will be moving to the new courthouse.
You'll have to answer a handful of questions, such as "are you a legal US citizen?", "have you ever been convicted of a crime?", "have you ever been in a mental hospital?" etc, etc etc...
After that, you'll sign the paper work that has your information on it and verify all the questions you answered were correct.
You'll also sign the piece of paper that will be laminated, signed by the judge (Judge Anderson for Paulding), and stamped with the court seal.
They will take your finger prints right there... you do not have to go to the Sheriff's office to have this done.
After taking your prints, you'll pay them $40 and you application will be sent off for FBI and GBI background checks.
If your background checks come back clean, they will process the license that you signed and mail it to you.
Right now, they are on a 4-5 week turn around time.... so roughly just over a month, you'll have a firearms license.
Hope that helps.
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There was a burglery and they were looking for the person.
They knew his identity. I think I heard that he lived right behind or close to the place he burglerized.
I believe PCSO got him in to custody.
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Here let me finish that for ya...."Hun, go on and call that special number on the NRA magazine in the John...we might need to talk to them."
Ah... yes, the "Armed Citizen". That's the one part of the magazine I look forward to reading each and every month!
"80 year old grandmother, home alone, kills attacker..."
"30 year old female kills intruter attempting to rape her..."
THOSE are the success storys of this great nation!
I anxiously await to hear about these four leaving the gene pool from that column!
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LPPT,
The law is not about leveling the playing field.
In essence, I agree with what you've stated, but when you apply that to the ATV market,
it takes on a whole different ball game than it does with Barbie dolls and childrens clothes.
Lead is an ingredient in metal alloy's. And while I agree there are definitely harmful levels of lead in some things,
in other things, it can't be helped. On a molecular level, without lead content in metal (what most people call steel)
lead is a vital component in an "alloy" that vehicles use.
When contained in an alloy, they aren't harmful. When contained in paint, they are harmful.
When Congress passed this bill, there was no common sense used.
Lead used in the alloy that makes up a component such as a internal engine bearing or a bronze thrust bushing
isn't going to have an affect on a childs health.
It's the same material used in automobiles and ATV's built for adults. Children aren't generally tearing apart
engines and putting clutch discs in their mount or using them as frisbee's.
If the bill had been worded to specific things on the ATV's that are potentially harmful to children, such as the paint,
the rubber handgrips, or anything external that a child could get poisoning from, there would have little to no questioning.
But Congress didn't use common sense. They issued an outright ban on these devices until every single part on a ATV
was tested (every nut bolt, washer, etc...) whether or not a child is prone to being exposed to it or not.
When you're dealing with clothing, food products, or hand held children's toys, you're in a whole different ball park.
Congress doesn't and can't see that.... they just lumped ALL children's products in to one big catagory.
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Well, maybe it's just me... but if it's in HER yard and not on county right of way or on public land OR
she doesn't live in a sub-division where county code prohibits it, you should mind your own business.
Individual property rights thing, ya know...