America joins with Syria and Nicaragua.

[CitizenCain]

The Latest: Trump to announce US pullout from climate accord

 

 

 

ttps://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-china-vows-eu-uphold-paris-pact-091022508--politics.html

[cptlo306]

Good.

[CitizenCain]

Good.

 

[gpatt0n]

Trump was playing putin puppet joining the other putin puppet Assad.

 

Nicaragua's opting out is a non-starter. The goal of Putin in ordering Trump to back out of the Paris accords is to remove the US from its leadership in the world.

 

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[cptlo306]

Trump was playing putin puppet joining the other putin puppet Assad.

 

Nicaragua's opting out is a non-starter. The goal of Putin in ordering Trump to back out of the Paris accords is to remove the US from its leadership in the world.

 

pubby

 

Wow...that's some first rate BS right there. Great job!

[mrshoward]

 

Wow...that's some first rate BS right there. Great job!

 

 

This is CNN :

 

 

http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2017/06/01/oh-ffs-cnns-fareed-zakaria-in-the-running-for-hottest-parisagreement-withdrawal-take/

 

 

[gpatt0n]

What you folks don't realize is this is a continuing battle between the isolationists and the progressives who have had this fight several times.

 

The first time was in the wake of WWI when the isolationists in the GOP controlled US Senate refused to ratify the treaty of Versailles and the League of Nations.

 

The battle was fought again in the 1950s with the conflict between Taft and Tailgunner Joe against ultimately Richard Russell, Senate Leader Lyndon Johnson and Dwight Eisenhower. (You should read Caro's Master of the Senate part II for details.) This is when folks the John Birch Society were doing their best to get the floride out the water and the US out of the UN.

 

This isolationist streak had been thought to be largely dead - save a few wackos - until Trump raised his ugly head.

 

The outcome of the first victory of the isolationists was the great depression and WWII.

 

Admittedly things were dicey with the progressives but we did navigate through the cold war and created the longest period of relative peace (no world war for sure) from 1946 through today. I'm not terribly sanguine about the future with idiotic isolationists who stick their heads in the sand about things like global climate change and the threat of the kleptocrats - they've always been kleptocrats even in the days of the USSR - in what we now call Russia.

 

I'm afraid with hydrogen bombs and the proven ignorance of the isolationists; we're really heading toward disaster.

 

pubby

[juleebella]

Why, just why? And he left himself (the USA) to an option to negotiate a better deal? I know he loves the coal miners. I get that, but coal is not coming back.

 

Great, he and his family inherited a lot of money. That is how you run a country, and perform on the world stage, deal with allies??

 

Anyway, this all makes me want my country back and I have a pot roast about to come out of the oven.

 

I just don't even anymore.

[Brian]

-From what I understand---- Trump is not denying Climate Change but he believes we need a better deal that would be fair to all.

Edited June 2, 2017 by Brian

[gpatt0n]

-From what I understand---- Trump is not denying Climate Change but he believes we need a better deal that would be fair to all.

 

That he has denied climate change in the past is operative; kind of like the way the courts are reviewing his immigration bans that only now he asserts aren't aimed at barring Muslims which most see as unconstitutional discrimination based solely on religion.

 

The 'deal' of the Paris accords is that they are self-defined goals and there are no sanctions involved if one fails to accomplish the goals. The whole exercise of the agreement is to agree there is a problem and each country ought to set goals and accomplish them.

 

By withdrawing, he is either saying there isn't a problem or he's saying that he doesn't want to set goals or that he doesn't want to accomplish them. What he said today in the rose garden was self-serving BS interlaced with out right lies. That shouldn't surprise anyone, I might add.

 

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[mrshoward]

Why, just why? And he left himself (the USA) to an option to negotiate a better deal? I know he loves the coal miners. I get that, but coal is not coming back.

 

Great, he and his family inherited a lot of money. That is how you run a country, and perform on the world stage, deal with allies??

 

Anyway, this all makes me want my country back and I have a pot roast about to come out of the oven.

 

I just don't even anymore.

 

 

 

Because the American people don't really like the idea of outsourcing millions of jobs

and hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars to India and China. Also this agreement

does absolutely nothing to change the climate. It is a wealth redistribution scheme and

middle class voters will be the ones footing the bill while the cronies reap the rewards...

 

0.3% drop in global average temperature is the best case scenario, well within the margin of error.

 

Is that oven gas or electric ? ? ?

 

[stercus tauri]

 

 

 

Because the American people don't really like the idea of outsourcing millions of jobs

and hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars to India and China. Also this agreement

does absolutely nothing to change the climate. It is a wealth redistribution scheme and

middle class voters will be the ones footing the bill while the cronies reap the rewards...

 

0.3% drop in global average temperature is the best case scenario, well within the margin of error.

 

Is that oven gas or electric ? ? ?

 

The business leaders, the defense experts, the intelligence community, business leaders, and the polls say most Americans disagree with you one your characterization.

 

[jennilyn77]

Blind Trump supporters never cease to amaze me. #partyovercountry

[shannonsolomon]

Joins with? Ok.

[mrshoward]

Blind Trump supporters never cease to amaze me. #partyovercountry

 

 

Tell me why this is a good thing for our country ? ? ?

 

[jennilyn77]

Tell me why this is a good thing for our country ? ? ?

 

Considering you actually believe the crap you posted in post 11, I'll save my time.

 

I'll just say that there's a good reason almost nobody thinks this is a good idea other than the trumpsters. I've never been real big on the climate change debate but I'm also not stupid.

 

Clean air= good.

[jennilyn77]

A different kind of perspective.

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/05/america_doesn_t_deserve_the_paris_agreement.html

[Guard dad]

 

Clean air= good.

How much do you actually know about the Paris Climate Accord?

[Guard dad]

Trump got this one right.

His decision was not about Climate Change at all, it was about the economic damage the agreement has already had and will continue to have on us. Not to mention the raw deal we got.

http://www.heritage.org/environment/report/consequences-paris-protocol-devastating-economic-costs-essentially-zero


It has already added an average of $1000 per year of costs to each American family.

[LPPT]

He clearly sided with those that don't believe in climate change in his campaign.

He seems to be back peddling, as in he now believes it but the Americans got a raw deal.

I believe he could not only shoot someone on the street and still be supported, he could open fire on a crowd killing dozens and still be supported.

[cptlo306]

He clearly sided with those that don't believe in climate change in his campaign.

He seems to be back peddling, as in he now believes it but the Americans got a raw deal.

I believe he could not only shoot someone on the street and still be supported, he could open fire on a crowd killing dozens and still be supported.

 

That's just silly.

[jennilyn77]

How much do you actually know about the Paris Climate Accord?

Why would you ask that? I know as much as anyone else who's commented in this thread. I know how to read and comprehend.

[rockysmom]

Trump got this one right.

His decision was not about Climate Change at all, it was about the economic damage the agreement has already had and will continue to have on us. Not to mention the raw deal we got.

 

http://www.heritage.org/environment/report/consequences-paris-protocol-devastating-economic-costs-essentially-zero

It has already added an average of $1000 per year of costs to each American family.

More propaganda from heritage. 1,000 per year to each American family? LOL

 

You believe it if you choose to, they have proven to me that they lie to fit their agenda.

[rockysmom]

Seems no one has taken the number of jobs created in the renewable energy field into account. Read this, it made more sense to me than propaganda from a known propaganda source.

 

http://fortune.com/2017/01/27/solar-wind-renewable-jobs/

Edited June 4, 2017 by Rocky's Mom

[Guard dad]

More propaganda from heritage. 1,000 per year to each American family? LOL

 

You believe it if you choose to, they have proven to me that they lie to fit their agenda.

So prove them wrong.

[Guard dad]

Why would you ask that? I know as much as anyone else who's commented in this thread. I know how to read and comprehend.

Because the Paris Accord is not directly about clean air at all. It could be a possible by-product of it's initiatives, though it's doubtful that the "science" would hold up.

 

No offense intended because this is a generic remark; but I find that the vast majority of people who support the Climate Change agenda of the political left have very little real knowledge or understanding of science and even less knowledge of what the Climate Change agenda even entails.

 

I couldn't help but chuckle at a liberal young woman who is a Facebook friend after Trump pulled us out of the Paris Accord. She was so terribly upset, and her answer to counter Trump's decision was to suggest to all her friends that they go get recycling bins for their homes.

 

Yeah, that'll do it.

 

Until we get politics out of this issue, we will likely never know the real truth so we actually can do what is needed to try and leave our children a healthy planet.

[jennilyn77]

Because the Paris Accord is not directly about clean air at all. It could be a possible by-product of it's initiatives, though it's doubtful that the "science" would hold up.

No offense intended because this is a generic remark; but I find that the vast majority of people who support the Climate Change agenda of the political left have very little real knowledge or understanding of science and even less knowledge of what the Climate Change agenda even entails.

I couldn't help but chuckle at a liberal young woman who is a Facebook friend after Trump pulled us out of the Paris Accord. She was so terribly upset, and her answer to counter Trump's decision was to suggest to all her friends that they go get recycling bins for their homes.

Yeah, that'll do it.

Until we get politics out of this issue, we will likely never know the real truth so we actually can do what is needed to try and leave our children a healthy planet.

As I said before I'm not real big on the whole climate change debate and I've always maintained that it shouldn't be political.

[CitizenCain]

 

No offense intended because this is a generic remark; but I find that the vast majority of people who support the Climate Change agenda of the political left have very little real knowledge or understanding of science and even less knowledge of what the Climate Change agenda even entails.

 

 

That deserves a special award.

 

[gpatt0n]

Trump got this one right.

 

His decision was not about Climate Change at all, it was about the economic damage the agreement has already had and will continue to have on us. Not to mention the raw deal we got.

http://www.heritage.org/environment/report/consequences-paris-protocol-devastating-economic-costs-essentially-zero

 

 

It has already added an average of $1000 per year of costs to each American family.

 

In a strange way we do agree. TRUMP should withdraw from every bit of human intercourse and should have begun doing that a long, long time ago. That he did in the case of the Paris accords means he is getting it right; the world doesn't want him to represent the US and being a persona non-grata, it is good that he's gone from the Paris agreement.

 

I think the acts of governors, mayors, corporations and individuals in support of making the change to renewable and non-carbon sources of energy in the USA show we are still supporting the agreement.

 

As far as trump's mandate; he didn't have the support of the majority of voters on election day and, given the gullibility (and his selling out of significant portions) of his voters half those voters would change their votes today.

 

My attitude is similar to that made by the slate author who basically noted that any institution that includes Donald Trump in its organization is weakened. Hell, that's true for a lot of things from Trump University (sued under civil RICO statutes) to Trump's Casinos (bankrupt) to Trump charities (buhaahaahaa ... evil laugh and quasi fraud.)

 

Our problem is that the trump campaign, in conjunction and with help from criminals (putin is a kleptocrat; look it up), gamed the US electoral system. While it is obvious that he is not restrained by any rules, we are, to maintain legitimacy under the law, are restrained by legal limits in our quest to shed his sorry ass. We are working diligently toward that end.

 

Oh, and trump's likely kleptocracy, ignorance and blantant theft will likely cost the average American tens of thousands for each year he serves. Hell, we're all just praying this clustertruck doesn't devolve into a your money or your life moment.

 

More propaganda from heritage. 1,000 per year to each American family? LOL

 

You believe it if you choose to, they have proven to me that they lie to fit their agenda.

 

They're just projecting what they plan to steal RM ... if you don't recognize criminality, just look at the mob connections; the soon to be revealed laundering of money through trumps' campaign and the obvious solicitation of bribes from Russian bankers in a quid pro quo effort to remove sanctions as the acts of a criminal organization, you are blind.

 

So prove them wrong.

 

As the saying goes; fool me once, your fault; fool me twice, my fault.

 

The reality is your assertion we have to prove anything won't work any more because the Trump administration has lost all credibility. Hell, in my book they lost all cred a long time ago during the campaign. This administration is so full of BS nothing you say can be taken at face value ... so you prove it.

 

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