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is Maddox and Whitey the same person? if so why didn't whitey reply to me with his name instead of maddox? ok so who the heck is this? and why use 2 different names? if this is true...
No me and whitey are neighbors I went down to his house this evening to work on a petition and a constitutional challenge on the Bleakley lakes PRD and I saw your Question and responded,we have been accused and "googled"when the people found out that it was in fact two different IP adresses they dropped that claim,however we feel that some people do use the site under multiple names to further a agenda .
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i have a question for all of you with the knowledge to answer this ...
once property has been sold and zoned, and passed,.. and it has been zoned for pacfic use, example: i think it was R2, (not Sure) but houses or town houses are going on it..
after all that, and then the orginally buyer decides to sell to another developer, does that developer still have to go by the orginally zoning?
example: the sub that is going in across from me, was zoned, and at the zoning meeting it was said that the rear of sub would be facing us, there would be no entrance on this side except down the road there would be an ER entrance..
so can the new buyer change his mind and put the entrance in front of us with out having it go beofre the zoning board again?
i am asking this because across from me they are putting the pipes etc.. and grading for it looks and i said looks like a main entrance,
so can the developer do that with out it beeing re zoned?
how would i find out about this? and how would i find out who the new owner of the property is?
ok Genius i will waiting for yals answers, because i sure do not know anything about this:
I hate to inform you but the builders are able to do most anythig that they want to.
Try contacting your commissioner,If he cannot help you the planning and zoning office should have any altered plans.
the scheme in this county is to get a property re zoned by a local person and then flip the property to one of the larger Builders this scheme has even been used to avoid a" developement Rregional Impact" the threshhold for this DRI requirement is 400 homes per developement I believe.
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Drinking Must be the reclamed water from coppermineWhitey/Maddox -What are you drinking? It sure ain't water.....
1) How about the Infrastructure that cherokee woman was talking about?
Look at what I quoted. I wasn't attempting to answer the question on infrastruture, that's been answered before in this thread. Over and over and over.....
2) Did you see my post on the airport?
Yes, I saw the post on the airport.
See, we agree on two things, we both think you are getting a little senile,
and we are both saddened by all the wonderful countryside being bulldozed under. The difference is that I understand that it is going to happen no matter what if that's what the property owner wants, you want to freeze the county right where it is and take away the property's owners rights to subdivide if he wants to within the law. We have answered your questions that have answers to the best of our ability. Because this is the internet you think all answers just appear in mid-air? Like I said before, this is an internet chat/news site. We're not paid to be here. It's not our job. Besides, some questions have no answers because the laws are so screwed up. We've told you the situation as we've seen it, but you don't like it, so you ignore it or call names. Shame on you for your libelous post claiming we're hired public relations experts with no EVIDENCE to back that up! Oh yea, just because you are a one topic wonder doesn't mean that the rest of us are. TBAR, SurePip, Chairman, myself and the others all post all over the site and many of them have been for over a year. Yea, it's real easy to get that many posts because it's fun (in anything other than the PRD threads that is.
)3) Got any suggestions on how to pay for the problems that these 16,000 new homes are going to bring to the county,Like schools red lights,sewers roads and ...
The problems will come whether built under PRD or R-2. As Surepip stated we need commercial / light industry / Business to keep tax rates low for homes. But we've covered that before too....
4) ... BTW,what is the sales tax in Cobb county?The last time that I made a major purchase it was still 5%.
What the heck does the sales tax in Cobb County got to do with this?
If you like it so much, move there. If you can find anything affordable. Shame on you, trying to change the subject. 5) P.S Join p.com its free, voice your opinion instead of just reading and agreeing, And paying HIGHER TAXES.
Have a look, I've not only joined PCOM, I support it as a paying member. And how's that supposed to lower your taxes? Hey Pubby, did you know you were taxpayer supported?
Shame on you trying to blame Pubby for higher taxes because people read his site without joining! 
Sigh.
You know, I've been tempted many times to use it, but I've never had to resort to the ignore user button. I was very tempted to use it right now. But I'll see if you will repond to a particular point, or just blab on some more about how PRDs are evil some more without any real arguments to show how it can be different. Come on, show us how we're wrong with REAL numbers and arguments.
SG
You are right about one thing more houses pre acer more money for the developer and no help on the issues Sigh.REJOY THE RIDE
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Let me get this straight( for the 756th time) The question is and you state in your reply.That the same # of houses PRD Vs R2 sewer vs septic then why would the developer go through the zoning process when all he hads to do is add a clubhouse, pool, greenspace and sewer to the present R2 zoning. Same # of houses.Would this not make sense? I am sure that the Planning Board would not have a problem with the developer adding this to the existing zoning and he would have his development already under construction. problem solved.Whitey/MaddoxFirst of all, the restrictions of PRD require greenspace and the plans usually include a clubhouse and pool(s) that eat up all that 'extra' space so that the number of homes (for the 758th time) remains the approx the same.
If you don't understand how a developer can make more money selling the same number of homes equipped with sewer, having a clubhouse and pool vs R2 homes having on septic tanks with nothing extra, well, I guess there just ain't much we can say to you is there now.
SG
(Ok, I've run out of new ways to say the same thing, so I'm re-running "The Best of Sound Guy"
)Get the developer to agree with this? I think not ! ( MORE HOUSES PER ACRE MORE MONEY)Enjoy the ride
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Wrong Lester,
A PRD must leave greenspace, and it is generally about 20% of the total acreage.
Personally, I would like to see the greenspace scattered out over the whole project instead of being lumped into hammocks of remaining trees and original vegetation.
Specifically which project are you reffering to ?
And I have to disagree with you on the number of houses per gross acre of the PRD versus R2. There is not much difference in the total net number of houses, but there will me more amenities with concessions both directions.
I would love to see all of the developement come to a screeching halt, and let us get a better handle on which way we are going, but there is not legal way in which to do this. I do not want to see the county waste money in court trying to defend itself for turning down legitimate zoning requests, and I know this will happen again if the BOC turns them down.
Get to work on the zoning changes requiring more strict measures and you may get somewhere.
I see you know my uncle?
Lets see your math does not add up. Not much different in the # of houses? Then please tell me why would the developer would go through the trouble to rezone? for the amenties? ( more houses more money.) And your greenspace could be concidered a yard on R2? {project go north on 61 on the left can't miss it.}enjoy the ride
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Good post, surepip. I do believe Whitey was saying the, he believes, I am a county employee. And --- by Jingo! --- if I posted on here during county time, he wants me to be fired. Yep.
Of course, never mind that it could be during my lunch break, or the breaks I am allowed by Federal statute that I must be given, & the employer has no say so at all in what I can & cannot do on my break time or lunch time.
But that doesn't matter, you see. He doesn't even understand the laws of the zoning; the request process; or even how taxes work with Federal funding for municipal projects. Thus, I doubt seriously if Whitey would understand Federal labor laws or ERISA regulations.
Then again, Whitey could be waayyy off base & I not even be a county employee.
BTW, surepip, you're right on about the way the county employees feel. Some folks feel that "they work for us" so they believe that means they can bash, belittle, & say anything they want about "their" employees. Hmmm. I wonder how these folks would feel if their job was up to that kind of scrutiny & discussed in public forums.
And, surepip, isn't it amazing how the pinger show same IP addresses for several posts, & now --- all of a sudden --- the pinger shows several different IP addresses. Almost like someone is using different computers; at work & other residents, perhaps?
It would be nice to hear some heartfelt answers to the proposed questions asked and not all this garb?Planting seeds to hope they grow is a farmers only fear. I wonder if the county has an IS person? I will be willing to bet.... huh pinger on this Is this the answer to my question on IP addresses? I think that Whitey has been on track from the start others may have a different prospective but the seeds that you plant will not grow without facts and you can check all the IP addresses you want to but it still does not address the fact that PDR'S allow more houses per gross acres than R2 or the Developer would not try to go through the rezoning to try to get a PRD. More houses per gross acre more money for the developer. Whether you can build on it or not. No matter if it impacts all of the counties infrastructure or not. Please tell all that this is not the option of the developer. I think that IF the developer could build the houses he needed why would he go through the trouble to change the already R2 zoning food for thought.Something stinks and it might not be the sewer problem. It is a quote from the Chairman to Mr. Coggins question in the March meeting that What he will end up with is not a single tree on the proposed development not one. the developer will not have to go through zoning. Well I have looked at the Development on 61 north of Dallas headed north on the left and I see no trees on the property being developed I think this is a PRD that has been approved by the BOC more food for thought.Enjoy the ride
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soundguy You seem to think that the sewer system is Utopia and the answer to our Septic Problems. I Lived in the City of Atlanta and paid the higher water bills Helped pay the fines that were levied on the TAX PAYERS ,of the city of Atlanta By the EPA for dumping raw sewage in the rivers and streams around the City of Atlanta,In fact The taxpayers of Paulding county are paying for the sewage problems associated with the City of Atlanta Through the use of Federal tax dollars to pay for the rebuilding of the sewage system.
You may say this cannot happen in Paulding County,The planing is much more efficient,and we learned from the mistakes of other counties the Fact is the Coopermine sewage treatment plant which sprays the treated sewage on the surrounding area of the Comet Trail and area adjaceent to to the new Water and Sewage Department Are over capcity right now due to the explosive growth in this area, In fact if I read the BOC minutes correctly,emergency steps had to be taken to remove the sludge from the Coppermine facility ,With not enough time to put the Measure out for bids
I also read that the coppermine facility can no longer support the amount of waste water Thru the reuse system and have asked for a variance from the EPA to dump the treated water into the streams and rivers of Paulding County and the State of Georgia .
I also read that $767,000 dollars was spent to add additional lift stations for this facility,none of which was paid for by the Developers in this county,Most of the old water treatment Facilities are out dated and at full capacity now Who will pay for the new facilities that are needed in this area?
AS a taxpayer of Paulding County I had rather pay a few Dollars to get My Septic tank pumped , as opposed to the higher water bills and higher taxes,That a sewer system brings
Well said Whitey!
I could not have said this any better myself!
With the county beening 85% R2 zoning you should not have any trouble find a good plumbing company. Check Atl. phone book if you can not find one local. ( Find one local we need the business.)
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Yep. Re-read the posts. Found something very interesting. Seems WHITEY and MADDOX quote each other a "whole bunch."
Also seems the same sentence structure are made in each "other's" posts.
And danged if the same grammar mistakes aren't made as well.
But ---low & behold! --- I wonder what IP address each of these have? Hmmm. Let me Google this one a bit . . . I am willing to bet . . .
Well what is the outcome of your Google??????How about your reply to this?Seams that you found out that IP addresses are different.... I am willing to bet.....
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to run and disappear.
CW and I bring this topic up in just about every thread concerning zoning and our sprawl, but no one else has responed in months.
surepip
I WILL CERTAINLY JOIN THE MOVEMENT AND WILL DEVOTE TIME MONEY AND ENERGY.
After reading the Paulding neighbor today with the front page headline "zoning board, residents clash over developement" I am incensed by the statements that are attributed to the Chairman of the Board of commissioners Jerry Shearin.
As a citizen of Paulding county,I did ask a Question about the traffic congestion,concering the prd and I was told That's enough,or you will be escorted out,another citizen submitted a Constitutional Challenge to the prd and was given a round of applause,for filing this legal document,Which only gives the citizens the right to file a law suit in the event that this prd was approved,this round of applause was only a symbol of approval and certainly was not boisterious,or uncivil. surepip I will gladly do anything I can,To change the prd zoning ordinance and will certainly intend to write the Paulding Neighbor and give the other side of the story. The chairman should tell the fact's to the local papers.
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It all boils down to this....a bunch of think tank people got together and tried to figure out a way to control sprawl. They came up with the best solution to fit the problem...PRD's, PD's, PUD's, all planned developments.
If people did not like them, then they wouldn't be selling like hot cakes.
Sprawl did not bring over crowed schools,higher taxes,traffic congestion etc,seems the "think tank"people did not take this into consideration when they wrote the PRD zoning
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after all this is the people that elected you to represent their interestWhitey said:I do believe Mr Chairman was using hyperbole. In other words, he is not advocating a "deletion" or even saying that you are either. Mr Chairman is, I believe, saying that it seems that if it were up to you, there wouldn't be any PRDs. It is hyperbole.
BTW, it is the PRD that does produce the higher end developments. Look at Bentwater or Riverwood. Not all, I'm sure, but it is the PRD that does have the enhancements.
I can only assume that you are speaking the feelings of the chairman,if so I suggest that you take the tour that whitey suggested that the chairman take,of the Mustang Drive ,Davis mill road,Highway61 area,and convince us home owners that these are not high end homes.I also took the liberty to go to the Georgia Secretary of State web site and reviewed the speakers of the house campaign disclosure ,and was amazed at the number of Developers,Builders etc. That contributed a significant amount of money to his election While I am certain, that this had no bearing on his opinions when he "wrote the prd zoning ' I certainly surely believe that money talks.Not trying to argue with you on any of this, but this statement is completely wrong. Officials are elected not to "represent the interests of others" but to act on behalf of others. We elect people to office to perform their duties according to what they feel is best. The election is the giving of permission for them to do what they feel is best. Never is an election to represent the interests of othes. The representing of others interest is a legal definition that is done by appointment of proxy; it has nothing to do with elections.I also tried to obtain a campaign disclosure on the Board of Commissioner only to discover that this is not required by state law,Maybe they would volunteer and make this disclosure to the citizens of Paulding County.
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I would gladly welcome, bake a cake for, and cut the grass of a $200+K house, or five butted up to my back door. I understand apprasials, and this would be money in my pocket.
atlanta cop seems that you cannot get a straight answer from the powera to be,I wiil try to answer your question without the run around .
A review of the plot submitted by the Developer Indicates that 25 homes would be built on Appox the same land area that is occupied by 6 Home owners directly across the street on Mustang drive,Those 6 homes on this land were developed Under R2 You are right on target when you said that the homes are not in the $200,000 +price range,they are closer to the 160,000's As they are in a vast majority of PRD'S
p.s anthoer PRD re zoning for this area is on the agenda for April p&z meeting
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Did you make the request to be placed on the agenda?
I did not know that I had to make a request to be placed on the agenda,how do you do this?
Will this allow me to ask Questions at the planning and Zoning meeting,and the BOC meeting before a vote is taken?
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Those are questions you will need to direct at the school board. The commission does not have anything to do with securing land for schools or building schools, etc.
In fact, it is against GA law to build a school until all schools are full. Well, not just full --- there have to be enough students already there; already with the trailers; & already done all that can be done with redistritcting. In other words, every school has to be over capacity before there can even be a request sent to the state to build a new one.
Then the state has to review the numbers & the rational for the school
Then the state has to approve the request.
Then the BOE may secure the land, get the bids, draw up the proposals & the plans.
Then all that is submitted to the state.
Then the state approves that.
Not until all the above is done can the first shovel of dirt be turned for building a new school.
The school stuff is something the Chair Dude can do nothing about. That is a school board issue. And it is governed by State of GA statute, & the commission cannot do anything with a request because of the impact to the schools. That's the law in GA.
I find it hard to believe,that the BOC,can enact a ordinance,that has created Major traffis jams ,overcrowding schools,higher property taxes,and they can do nothing about it. THE BOC IS THE MOST POWERFUL ARM OF THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT.
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Mr. chairman,cannot help my self,must respond to your comments on prd#2005-30z.The paulding county school district currently utilizes 250 mobile/and or modular classsrooms 25%of all paulding students are housed in "non standard space"1/5 of these "non standard classrooms are in the school area of this proposed rezoning and the other proposed rezoning for the month of April ,their are presently 24 trailers at Paulding High school,14 at Hershel Jones middle school,10 at Dallas elementary and 5 at Allgood elementary.At the present time 2,600 housing units have been approved[7 sub-divisions] in this school area alone while some of these homes fall within the city of Dallas,The impact on the school district is the same.I am sure that you are aware that the Paulding county board of education is the largest employee in paulding County with 22,000 employees at this point in time.with a school year budget of $123,000,000 Mr. chairman that is not a typo,or a distorted fact neither is the fact that the Board of education web site states that they have to provide 2 1/2 additional classrooms per week to keep up with the growth,and this was prior to the boom in prd zoning. The tax payers of Paulding county are responsible for this tax bill and will only continue to grow,as more and more PRD'S are approved,The density factor of PRD'S alone adds more students to the school system. These must be some of the facts that you tuned out too. Using the .588 formula that you come up with as children per household,Are you aware that ,the planing and zoning board,and the board of commissioners,have approved the rezoning of 7,461 acres of land,that will add 15,206 housing units to Paulding County in th past thirteen months alone, this does not include the City of Dallas,which has approved another 3,000+,If your formula is correct this will add another 10,705 students to the Paulding County School system @30 students to the class room equals a need for at least 356 new class rooms,just to house the students on the already approved PRD'S,Not counting the additional PRD"S approved in March and the rest of this year,I cannot help but remember the words uttered by a member of the planing committe when confronted with the school situation, they [the board of Education] should of seen this coming and planned for it. Are you aware that in the fiscal year 2004 a home valued at $317, 522 was required to fund the local share of one FTE? You should have been beacause it was presented to you and the planning and zoning committe,prior to your vote's It is also available on the Board of Education web site,enough said about the problems with the school system.
In response to the 2.4 houses per acre,this is truly a mis leading statement,if you take the 91 acres,divided by the 221 proposed houses this equates out to 2.42 houses per a gross acre,when you take out the land that a home can not be built on such as buffer, flood plain,three lakes,roads,side walks amenities,etc the remaining land is much less than 91 acres ,on which the actual houses sit on in fact the PRD zoning allows for 1,600 square foot hose to be built on a 8,000 square foot lot which is less than 1/5 of an acre,the proposed plot submitted by the developer allowed for thirteen houses to be built along 953 feet of road frontage on Mustang drive begining on the west side of the existing drive to the end of the property,this is high density housing,This same zoning PRD'S allows for the same density in any PRD WHETHER IT BE THE GEORGIAN,or BLEAKLEY LAKE'S,the fact is in all of the PRD developements that I have visited during the past week All of the housing start's in the $160,000 including the highly touted GEORGIAN.
Another fact that was noted at the meeting, was the request to get the State of Georgia Department of Transporation involved to do a DRI study,or any other study to help alleviate the traffic congestion on the surrounding road's and the roads that lead out of the proposed PRD's It was also noted that according to the Chamber of Commerce web site 75% of all workers leave the county to obtain employment.The top ten for profit employers in this county, employs approximately 2, 100 employees In your travels,to and from work outside the county I do not have to relate the traffic problems encountered at the Dallas Acworth highway and highway 92 intersection. The Mulberry rock road highway 61,intersection or the 278 highway61 intersection just to name a few, I guess that our elected and appointed officals tuned this out also.
Mr. Chairman you and the other four county commissioners enact, enforce,amend and have a responibility to the tax paying citizens of paulding county to make zoning ordinances that are in the best interest of all tax payers of Paulding county, ordinances that are compatible with the schools, roads,job base etc.I do not belive that this county can continue this growth rate,without massive property ,and school tax increases in the very near future.
I do not hate PRD"S ,I do think that you should take a deep breath,push back from your desk,and take a long look at PRD"S,and increase the lot sizes to 21,000 square feet,this would eliminate the density problem,If the R2 zoning ordinances need to be amended to get rid of the so called "ugly ones",you and the board of commissioners have the sole authority,and responsibility to make the necssary amendments ,enact impact fees on the developers,where they would have to pay for the schools,road improvements etc. the current and future tax payers of Paulding County deserve this,I do not have to have to go some where else to live,as you suggested I need to convince you and the other commissioners that we need to make changes in the housing ordinaces that are affecting the citizens of Paulding County, where I can" ENJOY THE RIDE" It seems to me that you tuned out some very important FACTS ,THE BIGGEST FACT IS THAT HOUSING IN ABOUT 95%OF THE HOMES BEING BUILT IN THESE PRD'S WILL NOT PROVIDE THE TAX MONEY NEEDED TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOLS,ROADS,AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE,THE TAX PAYERS OF PAULDING COUNTY DO NOT WANT ANOTHER TAX INCREASE,STOP THIS MADNESS,PUT A MORATORIUM ON ALL NEW ZONING REQUEST UNTIL YOU CAN ASSURE THE TAX PAYING CITIZENS OF PAULDING COUNTY THAT THESE PRD'S ARE NOT GOING TO INCREASE OUR TAXES.
well said whitey I was at the meeting and felt helpless as a DOT worker in another county,{no work here] It astonished me that I was unable to ask a Question of the planning committee as to the traffic congestion in fact was told "THATS ENOUGH" any more comments and I would be escorted out,Where is civility of these type of hearings?
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with 250 trailers housing 7,500 students today this is not anticipated,this is reality. I am trying to get the Chairman to put a moratorium on rezoning until we can catct up to the current needs of the school system and then increase the lot sizes to 21,000 square feet[ Less than a half acre ]in PRD'S To date this has been "TUNED OUT'
Mr chairman if these facts are correct can I assume that the three new schools under construction will eliminte these 250 trailers and house these 7,500 students?
If not, where are the other new school's that are being proposed,and when will construction began?
Are their any plans,for any additional trailers?
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i just thought i would burst a few peoples bubble this morning.
FACTS OF THE MATTER:
PRD - 2.42 DENSITY WOULD BE 221 LOTS.
CURRENT ZONING R-2 W/ SEWER - 2.20 DENSITY (GOOD ACTUAL ESTIMATE) = 200 lots.
boy i am sure glad you guys shot down 21 homes. that is an amazing feat!
the development can install an individual septic plant regulated by the state and handle its OWN SEWER, not help out the community and provide sewer service to 2900 acres. remember this next time you pump out your septic tank.
GOOD JOB!
cat max you must have been planing on using some house boats on the three lakes to come up with this figure
PRD-High density zoning
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then you must be the publisher? Or have acceess to the control panel ? You do not have to endure any more I am suree as computer savy as you are you know where the log off button is
BTW can surepip answer her on post,or is she needing help now daysor are you surepip.HMMMM