Hands up, don't shoot .... ooops

[gpatt0n]

Hands up, don't shoot ...   ooops Yep, the photo above was taken moments before a Miamipoliceman shot the black man lying in the street with hishands up.  The scene came about because of a 911 callsaying a man with a gun was threatening suicide(wrong).  Actually, what was transpiring was the heavy person, a 23year old autistic man, had left a group home and was playingwith a toy car in the street and the black man, a behavioralspecialist, was trying to coax him back to the facility. The cops came, ordered the men to lay on the ground (goodluck getting the autistic kid to comply cause the commandwhen 'whoosh' right over his head) which the 47 year oldblack man understood.  He complied immediately. Of course hands up, don't shoot didn't work nor did anythingelse except a the trigger finger of the overly anxious copwho didn't need to be pointing a weapon at these folks inthe first place. When asked why he shot, the cop said he didn't know. He is on a week long paid suspension.  The city ofMiami is already in negotiations on how much this fiasco isgoing to cost their taxpayers. The behavioral specialist said that his main concern was thekid and was thankful that he was not injured. Play  the tape for the salient question and answer.

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[juleebella]

This story makes me physically ill.

[jennilyn77]

I can't bring myself to even watch the video. My heart breaks for the autistic man who will most likely have even more "issues" after having to witness such a thing. Thank God the behavioral specialist wasn't killed.

 

America, we have a problem.

[lowrider]

I saw it on the news and it's all over FB.

 

It could have been handled so much differently.

[CitizenCain]

To avoid an honest discussion that we have a problem with ill trained, over aggressive, unaccountable Law Enforcement in this country let me be the first to say 99% of all officers are real nice people.

[DallasRed]

I'm sure the officer who did the shooting feels terrible about it.

[gpatt0n]

"The latest" from his union representative is that the black man who was shot in the leg was not the intended target, rather the target was the non-compliant autistic person whose weapon was a toy car.

 

The problem here is that the officer was, I guess, assuming that the person who called in the 911 call was accurate.

 

I mean there was obviously a civilian with a camera phone 30-50-ft away and people viewing that video could assess the situation well enough to recognize that young man was "different" (rocking behavior and sitting in the center of a street is odd/different) and that the older black gentleman was pleading for the officers to put the guns away because he was a therapist and this was a client.

 

That they shot before they got close enough to know and accurately assess the situation is the real problem.

 

If the use of force is such that local LEO can fire from that distance with that level of information, I think we'd be better off with drones and robots ... at least an operator of one of those devices could get close enough to maybe grasp accurately what was happening.

 

I.e. if officers are so scared they can't even find out what is going on before they pull a trigger ... we got a BIG PROBLEM with the police.

 

pubby

[lowrider]

I also heard on the news that the intended target was the autistic young man with the toy truck.

 

This was just wrong on so many levels.

[CitizenCain]

I'm sure the officer who did the shooting feels terrible about it.

 

I'm sure the guy shot in the leg feels worst.

[DallasRed]

I also heard on the news that the intended target was the autistic young man with the toy truck.

 

This was just wrong on so many levels.

I heard that too, but the cop didn't know that at the time. He couldn't see what he was holding. He only had seconds to make a decision. Easy for us to judge when we know the facts now.

 

I'm sure the guy shot in the leg feels worst.

Oh I'm sure the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ he will receive will make it all better.

"The latest" from his union representative is that the black man who was shot in the leg was not the intended target, rather the target was the non-compliant autistic person whose weapon was a toy car.

 

The problem here is that the officer was, I guess, assuming that the person who called in the 911 call was accurate.

 

I mean there was obviously a civilian with a camera phone 30-50-ft away and people viewing that video could assess the situation well enough to recognize that young man was "different" (rocking behavior and sitting in the center of a street is odd/different) and that the older black gentleman was pleading for the officers to put the guns away because he was a therapist and this was a client.

 

That they shot before they got close enough to know and accurately assess the situation is the real problem.

 

If the use of force is such that local LEO can fire from that distance with that level of information, I think we'd be better off with drones and robots ... at least an operator of one of those devices could get close enough to maybe grasp accurately what was happening.

 

I.e. if officers are so scared they can't even find out what is going on before they pull a trigger ... we got a BIG PROBLEM with the police.

 

pubby

Yeah since now they have targets on their backs.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp03eKouOiY

[CitizenCain]

1 I heard that too, but the cop didn't know that at the time. He couldn't see what he was holding. He only had seconds to make a decision. Easy for us to judge when we know the facts now.

2 Oh I'm sure the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ he will receive will make it all better.

 

 

1 You should watch the video again. There was enough time for the guy laying on his back to yell out 'I'm a caregiver, all he has is a toy truck' and plead for his patient to lay down.

 

2 Does that make it alright with you. it's your money is that how you want to spend it, admittedly unlike most he will live to spend it.

Edited July 22, 2016 by CitizenCain

[gpatt0n]

I heard that too, but the cop didn't know that at the time. He couldn't see what he was holding. He only had seconds to make a decision. Easy for us to judge when we know the facts now.

Oh I'm sure the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ he will receive will make it all better.

Yeah since now they have targets on their backs.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp03eKouOiY

 

Like I said, if the officer is so scared of a man child with a five year old's mentality and an old black man care giver that he can't get close enough to figure out the situation and just assumes they're trying to kill him so he shoots first, then I feel the guy must have some very deep seated guilt to feel that vulnerable.

 

I mean we would be better off with robocops.

 

pubby

[CitizenCain]

 

Like I said, if the officer is so scared of a man child with a five year old's mentality and an old black man care giver that he can't get close enough to figure out the situation and just assumes they're trying to kill him so he shoots first, then I feel the guy must have some very deep seated guilt to feel that vulnerable.

 

I mean we would be better off with robocops.

 

pubby

 

It seems fear of Blacks is a theme that resonates with law enforcement across the country.\

 

July 21, 2016

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Patrol car video publicly released Thursday shows a white Austin, Texas, police officer violently throwing a black woman to the ground during a traffic stop, followed by another white officer telling her black people have “violent tendencies” and whites are justifiably afraid.

Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo condemned both officers’ actions. “For those that think life is perfect for people of color, I want you to listen to that conversation and tell me we don’t have social issues in this nation,” said Acevedo

 

The newspaper identified King as an elementary school teacher.

 

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-texas-officer-says-blacks-violent-tendencies-230242581.html?ref=gs

[DallasRed]

 

Like I said, if the officer is so scared of a man child with a five year old's mentality and an old black man care giver that he can't get close enough to figure out the situation and just assumes they're trying to kill him so he shoots first, then I feel the guy must have some very deep seated guilt to feel that vulnerable.

 

I mean we would be better off with robocops.

 

pubby

It was said on TV that he didn't know what the man was holding, he also didn't know for a fact he was special needs. We need to see the video from the get go, why was the cops called in the first place? The cop seems truly sorry for what happened.

 

1 You should watch the video again. There was enough time for the guy laying on his back to yell out 'I'm a caregiver, all he has is a toy truck' and plead for his patient to lay down.

 

2 Does that make it alright with you. it's your money is that how you want to spend it, admittedly unlike most he will live to spend it.

I did see the video, BUT I didn't see what happened to make the cops be called in the first place. The cops in Baltimore are being found innocent, BUT yet the family was paid 6 million $$$$$$$$$$$ before it even went to trial. I would be very pissed off if I was a TAX payer living there. Glad my son's taxes go to GA and not MD...Since he lives in that area.

[gpatt0n]

It was said on TV that he didn't know what the man was holding, he also didn't know for a fact he was special needs. We need to see the video from the get go, why was the cops called in the first place? The cop seems truly sorry for what happened.

I did see the video, BUT I didn't see what happened to make the cops be called in the first place. The cops in Baltimore are being found innocent, BUT yet the family was paid 6 million $$$$$$$$$$$ before it even went to trial. I would be very pissed off if I was a TAX payer living there. Glad my son's taxes go to GA and not MD...Since he lives in that area.

 

What I hear from you and others is that we should back LEO and accept that if something wrong happens - a bad shoot - they have existing controls in place to rectify the situation.

 

The problem is that we end up with incidents like this with the autistic young man... Or to go back to Cleveland, even Tamir Rice, the 12 year old playing with a toy gun and shot in a matter of seconds of a LEO rolling on the scene.

 

It is as if the standard is if there the slightest concern that the persons involved is armed gives LEO the right to shoot first and ask questions later.

 

Not sure if a toy car is a gun, shoot first; not sure if an unarmed naked guy is dangerously crazy, shoot first; not sure if the man in the hall with a can of mace knows you're LEO, shoot first; not sure if the person with the toy weapon is a toy, shoot first.

 

I should say that I know that most in LEO do not enter even a dynamic scene with real danger (suicide by cop scenarios come to mind) with the intention of shooting first and asking questions later. The vast majority of even tricky contacts end peacefully.

 

So what is the problem? Is the officer alone and therefore dealing with higher stress? would the incidence of these kinds of shootings drop precipitously if officers were patrolling in pairs? Should the officer be paired with a personal drone that can confront a civilian and ask and answer questions by flying into the situation while the officer stays safe in a bullet proof vehicle?

 

Or is there a culture building in LEO that civilians are all dangerous nuts who are armed to the teeth and even the most innocent citizens automatically pose a large existential danger to a LEO that we are lucky, as citizens to survive, a stop by authorities. (.)

 

Surely not but some in some neighborhoods do and I know that there are too many both innocent and unarmed people dying from the unnecessary use of lethal force in policing actions.

 

pubby

[jennilyn77]

The fact that the situation is being explained that it was the autistic man who was supposed to be shot, and we're all supposed to be okay with it, is a big problem in itself.

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