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That is funny. I guess the slight would be worse if the Holy Father were actually going to be there himself. ::shrug::
Not a slight at all. The President can pick who he wants to come to dinner. There is only so many seats at the table.
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I drive by every day and I was shocked by the amount of damage to the house!
I hope everyone got out safely!
Yes and the pets.
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What's it matter, the Pope won't even be there.
Exactly.
And besides they both have a previous engagement. Not like even if they were invited they would cancel their debate.
They will probably have their panties in a bunch anyway because McCain was invited and not them. WAAAAWAAAAA
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Someone has been phished.
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Hmmmm...I *do* have Outlook Express installed as part of my MS Office package, but I've never used it. I just opened it to see if my mail was there, but it wanted me to do a setup of the program, so I exited out. Did you have to do a setup in order to find your "lost" mail?
Might have to go through some sort of wizard or something been awhile since I had the problem.
Do you have like a yahoo account or something you could send a test message from or to? I checked my comcast mail seems to be working but might be on different servers.
You would think if there was an outage the support people should know but having had to call them on some other issues they have no clue even what channels they offer.
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just on a hunch if you do have Outlook Express or Outlook installed on your PC you might want to check that.
I had a very similar issue, matter of fact it was exactly that. But when I checked Outlook Express, which I had NEVER setup to use my Comcast mail, all my mail was there.
I uninstalled Outlook and problem solved.
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I read that as Help Gipper Girl she needs PMS.
:lol: Corrected spelling.
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Summer surcharges have been there ever year since I have been in Paulding. I don't think this is new.
If you use what they consider "excessive" water they will charge you more. But with all the water restrictions it would be hard to use "excessive" water.
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I think the car wash on 178 by DQ is $20. Plus you get a free car wash. At least I did last year.
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When we had 2 cats we used a covered cat box and the Fresh Step cat sand. It will clump up nicely and I just scooped it out the clumps and poop once a day.
We used the big bucket and only had to buy a new one about once a month.
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Thought we were not allowed to mention names?
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It's easy to say one thing, but living the reality of it is very different. Simply put, although this case may not be a good example, there is quite a bit of discrimination that goes on for no good reason other than ignorance.
Absolutely.
Which why people should be careful about how they pick their battles. If it is true discrimination then have at it. But if you feel slighted because someone does not wish to do something people should be careful before calling wolf. It sets a bad example for others.
I have been on both ends. I was refused a job with Atlanta PD based on the fact I am white yet they hired less qualified applicants and they used me smoking pot once time when I was 17 to not hire me. I was 29 when I applied. Yet they hired blacks who had recent known drug use history. I knew that for fact. (I had someone on the inside)
I let it go. I would not want to be a part of a department that does that anyway.
I have also been accused of discrimination for firing people simply because they were black. Who cared about the fact that they never came to work or were constantly late or could not do the job they were hired to do. I only fired them because they were black.
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I don't b/c the chances of the couple finding out the "real" reason would be slim to none. They would have just moved on to another photographer and probably not given it a second thought. The fact is, by being 'honest' with them, the couple took it personally and decided to lash out with this discrimination suit. If the photographers had just said they were already booked, the couple wouldn't have felt that same personal attack. I'm not saying the couple was right in taking this action, but there was a more emotional component to it once the 'honesty' was put on the table. From a business standpoint, it just didn't make sense to get that personal with any potential customer because you don't know how s/he is going to react. JMO...
I agree with you.
But apparently this "couple" has a chip on their shoulder and thinks they are owed every thing. If they said they were booked I am willing to bet they would have still taken them to court.
Even if they really were booked the "couple" would not believe them that I can pretty much guarantee. They would say they just said that because they were a gay couple.
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Some things people need to keep themselves. If they don't want to photograph them, just say they're booked. I understand what you're saying, but I don't like seeing people being discriminated against either. What's next, businesses refusing to hire gays, I think this is a complicated issue.
They were not asked to hire the couple. You seem to fail to understand there is a difference.
The couple was not looking for a job. They wanted to hire someone to do a private business transaction.
It is not complicated at all. People just make it complicated.
I think that people do that all the time--same thing with hiring. It's easier than having to worry about the lawsuit that could potentially follow.I think if they lied about it then they would open themselves up even further to lawsuits.
I think they expected the lesbians to act civilized and realize that people don't have to bow down to them.
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I think it would be a sh***y thing to do. Honestly, if the company just said they were busy or booked, this would not be an issue. I wouldn't force someone to do a job for me they wouldn't want to do either.
So if they lied and said they were booked you are fine with that?
If I was the couple I would have more respect for the people by telling me they can't do it based on religious beliefs then if they lied and gave me an excuse.
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The biggest issue I have with the whole thing is the gay/lesbians want respect and to be treated equal and they should get that.
But when they or anyone one for that matter, wants to force their way of life on another person and force that person to bend to their wishes against the religious and personally beliefs of another I have issue.
Respect is a two way street.
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Right and they only judge if you have money or insurance or not
Exactly. They don't care who you are as long as you can pay. $$$ talks.
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Absolutely. I'm better then they are. There are many areas where we have choice, refusing service to someone different than you is not one of them. If these people were ER doctors and refused service to someone based on race or sexual orientation, would that be acceptable.
Apples and oranges. A Doctor is a public accommodation.
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They should win on appeal. Per US CODE: TITLE 42, 12131 it is not a public accommodation and therefore the ruling should be reversed.
(7) Public accommodation
The following private entities are considered public accommodations for purposes of this subchapter, if the operations of such entities affect commerce—
(A) an inn, hotel, motel, or other place of lodging, except for an establishment located within a building that contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and that is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as the residence of such proprietor;
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a restaurant, bar, or other establishment serving food or drink;© a motion picture house, theater, concert hall, stadium, or other place of exhibition or entertainment;
(D) an auditorium, convention center, lecture hall, or other place of public gathering;
(E) a bakery, grocery store, clothing store, hardware store, shopping center, or other sales or rental establishment;
(F) a laundromat, dry-cleaner, bank, barber shop, beauty shop, travel service, shoe repair service, funeral parlor, gas station, office of an accountant or lawyer, pharmacy, insurance office, professional office of a health care provider, hospital, or other service establishment;
(G) a terminal, depot, or other station used for specified public transportation;
(H) a museum, library, gallery, or other place of public display or collection;
(I) a park, zoo, amusement park, or other place of recreation;
(J) a nursery, elementary, secondary, undergraduate, or postgraduate private school, or other place of education;
(K) a day care center, senior citizen center, homeless shelter, food bank, adoption agency, or other social service center establishment; and
(L) a gymnasium, health spa, bowling alley, golf course, or other place of exercise or recreation.
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If the company was dumb enough to refuse service because they were gay, they deserve to be sued. It's no different than refusing service to someone because of race.
That is the sticky point. They did not refuse them because they are gay. They refused them based on their religious beliefs.
And it was not service like you go to a store or restaurant, it was a private contract. As a private business owner they should have the right to choose what contracts they will or will not accept based on their beliefs.
If a Muslin hires a caterer for a party and the caterer only provides Pork dishes should the Muslim sue the caterer because they will not serve anything but pork? Or should the Muslim go find another one that servers other stuff?
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The court was wrong TBAR. Not like that has ever happened before.
A wedding photographer is not providing a "public accommodation". Was their wedding open to the public?
It is apples to oranges. You can not compare that to eating out or renting or buying a house or apartment.
If I have a business where people contract me to do jobs I am not obligated to accept each and every single job that comes along.
I learned this from you, a business has to make a "reasonable" accommodation. In this case the reasonable accommodation would be for them to hire a different photographer. Was this the only one in town?
What if the photographer was a Seventh-day Adventist and the wedding was going to be on Saturday? Do they have the right to refuse based on religious beliefs? Or should they be forced to give up their religious beliefs?
They did not say "no we will not do it because you are gay". They said their religious belief does not allow them to do that.
Stores and companies are being forced to bow to Muslim religious beliefs why can't someone else respect another persons religious beliefs?
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Did they say yes and then back out at the last minute? If not then this Gay couple is just looking to get in the news and I say SHAME on them. Then they wonder why people are so against them? Hold that mirror up so they can see.
Exactly.
This is really a black eye to the gay/lesbian community. From what I heard the people respectfully declined to be hired to photograph the wedding based on their religions beliefs.
The gay couple should have held the higher ground and respected the photographers religious beliefs instead of forcing their own beliefs on the photographers.
Cry me a freaking river.
You will notice they did not sue them in a normal court, why is that?
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I was wondering how long it would take before someone posted that.
I don't know about anyone else but I think that looks very bad for the lesbian/gay community.
Was that the only photographer in the NM?
They want to force a private business owner to conform to their way of live over that persons religious beliefs. We can only hope it gets over turned on appeal.
And they were not discriminated against Tbar. They are a private business they have the right to choose their customers and what jobs they wish to take. If they have a strong religious belief are you going to force then to do something against that belief?
ETA: A wedding photographer is not a public accommodation. They are providing a private service.
All the court is doing is forcing a person to set aside their religion beliefs. So much for freedom of religion.
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There is know way to "humanly" kill a person.
They are just trying to stall, I think it should be painful. They should die the same way their victim did.
As Ron White says, if they have 2 or more credible witnesses they should go to the front of the line.