Cabe
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onions, I absolutely will not eat onions in any form!
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I think alot of assumptions are being made here, first and foremost you are assuming that the school officials were Christian, in today's society, I'm not so sure that is a safe assumption. I think it is wrong to assume facts not in evidence.
Sounds alot like the EPHS thread that everyone was up in arms about, "we should be proud of the students for sticking together" seem to be a common theme there, while that was not my opinion, it was the majority.
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Shame on him!
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West Atlanta Pediatrics, I've used DR. CARTER for my family since 1993, and love him. He's very patient, and listens to me. He takes very good care of my children.
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OK, here we go again...
Some of what you have written is good, basic, fair and appropriate. I absolutely agree with a good bit of it. However, like any extremist position, the problem I have with it is the overstatement.
The statement that there is no place for religion in public policy is absolutely antithetical to the first and second amendments to this constitution. There is a considerable majority of the populace of this nation that have a Judeo-Christian worldview, and as voting members of a democratic society, they have a perfect right to express themselves through speech, public gatherings, publications, films, art, commentary, the ballot box, through legislation, congressional, senatorial and/or presidential representation, and through the selection of Judges. It is patently absurd to contend that holding a religious position or having a religious frame of reference is ipso facto grounds for exclusion from the democratic process. In the words of the American General surrounded by the Germans in WWII, when asked to surrender, he gave the one word response, "NUTS!!!"
The founders of this nation may not have been proponents of one or another particular brand of religious persuasion, but one thing they were NOT is OPPOSED to ANY religious thinking being embodied in their works (read that: POLICY). The very foundational documents of this nation have as a basis for their entire declarations, a foundation recognizing the fact that there is a God, and that He has spoken and He has granted rights and privileges to ALL MEN -- YES, EVEN TO JEWS AND CHRISTIANS!!!!! Just WHO, prey tell, do you think is the One who "CREATED all men equal?"
In the hierarchy of laws there are procedures, policies, ordinances, statutes, case law, by-laws and ultimately constitutional law. Constitutional law is acknowledged to be the highest law of this land, and no law can be enforced that is written contrary to the Constitution.
So, if this so-called principle that there is no place in public policy for religion is true, then you need to notify the whole crew who signed the Constitution of the United States of America, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence as well as the writers of the Federalist Papers. They are the ones who are out to lunch if your principle is as universal as you pretend it is. I contend it is NOT...
The fact is there is no possibility of having public policy that is not somehow affected by religion, and/or spirituality, as both of these concepts go to the very core of one's being. The idea that policy can be created in a religious vacuum is utter non-sense, and leads to nothing but chaos, disorder and anarchy. Withdrawing any religious presence or thinking from public policy implies that only the anti-religious can express themselves. Perhaps you should read some of their ideas and see how they fit before you fully decide to abandon the functions, structure and nature of government to them.
The fact of the matter is that secularism itself becomes a religion, complete with all the trappings, with the diety (LITTLE "D") being the individual. Humanism is a religion (idolatry), as is deism, theism, whether mono or poly.
So the heart of the issue is not whether religion ought to be banned from public policy, but WHICH religion is to be banned from public policy. The focus of the AU is that the Judeo-Christian religion is to be banned. They do not take a similar position on secularism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, hedonism, materialism or any other religious expression -- just Judeo-Christian religious expression. For example, consider the chaos in San Diego over the cross. Do you think they would have the same fight over the yen and yang symbol? Of course not. Would they have the same position over Masonic emblems? Of course not. How about the crescent moon? Of course not. How about the statue of Venus, which was an object of worship by the Greeks? Of course not. How the playboy bunny? Of course not, no one would object to the cute little figure representing hedonism. But if we have a menorah, or a Star of David, or a Ten Commandments, or a cross then, GASP, (Sound of a huge black hole sucking the air out of the entire planet), Horrors, we cannot have that. Someone just might be offended. This is nothing but Political Correctness run amok.
Is it ok to have a publication of the Dhali Lhama (sorry about the spelling) on our desk at work? Of course it is. How about books from the gods (LITTLE "G") of materialism? What about witchcraft or paganism, or wicca, or Zoroastrianism? Of course it is. What about eastern mysticism, or yoga or transcendental meditation, or New Age? Any of that can be in the public square. However, if it even SOUNDS religious or spiritual, whether or not it is classically orthodox Christian or Jewish theology, then it is forbidden to even mention it in the public square. That is some ghastly horror to be locked squarely behind the doors of one's home and be conducted strictly in private. How shameful that it should ever be even THOUGHT of in the marketplace or the public square!!
The abandonment of the democratic process by the Church will leave nothing but a society without any direction, meaning or basis for its own existence -- a nation without a soul. What it will enable is those whose bias is anti-religious to eventually stamp out even the mention of God, or the concept of Judeo-Christian thought. And make no mistake, that IS the agenda...
GREAT post!
(By the way, sure are alot of Tbars in here tonight
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my daughter will be 3 this summer, we are exploring options for her for next year, I'd be interested in getting more info
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there are some home study courses, I was thinking about it for a while, and I think the Paulding campus of Chattahoochee Tech has a course, good luck to you
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taking the kiddies camping . . .
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heard the phrase before, from a 65 yo "old fashioned" man, just remember believe half of what you see, and none of what your hear
from, a very high IQ, not easy, unfortunately, smoker
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I'm only a stay at home mom two weekdays, but I'd love to join you guys some time and give my kids some more activities.
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that's awful about the vandalism, I hope they catch the ones responsible, I just didn't realize you had to raise money for those types of things, just assumed the school provided . . . good luck to you.
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Wow, how do you respond to that?
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Looks like a great time! Thanks for sharing.
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Shouldn't one consider the cost of formula and other baby necessities prior to getting pregnant?
Why not breastfeed if you can't afford the formula?
She didn't say she couldn't afford it, just was it OK to supplement, then said she had her answer with the good info 1sttimemom gave her.
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Not meant to be a silly question, but doesn't the county get the equipment and uniforms? (obviously, I don't have kids in high school)
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Lanier has campgrounds and paddleboats, there's one near Vogel and Unicoi that's pretty rustic, Goose Creek Campground, and has a small pond you can fish in . . . Stone Mountain has everything, and there's Callaway, if you want to stay close to home
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OK. SO y'all just keep picking on me. Enjoy yourselves. Have all the fun you want at my expense.
Here's what I think about Oprah . . .
Wow, and I was just wondering what tbar looked like!
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"I'd rather have a small following of really cool people who get it, who will grow with us as we grow and are fans for life, than people that have us in their five-disc changer with Reba McEntire and Toby Keith," Maguire said. "We don't want those kinds of fans. They limit what you can do."
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So, I guess they don't need me, good thing. I haven't missed them. Bush is probably sad the reverse is true, that they are from Texas. Yes, they are entitled to their opinion. Luckily my heros are not on TV.
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LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT! My son loves 24, but me and the husband are Earnhardt fans from way back, been to several tracks and did I mention that we LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT
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I agree, if he was going to campaign, he should have, and maybe he did, clear it with Relay.
So, who do you vote for? The incumbent, appointed by Perdue? Dick Donovan, a Cobb County attorney with no DA experience, the Douglas county lawyer, whose name escapes me because I'm so tired, or Bill Clark, many years of experience as a DA in Cobb, Fulton and Paulding, and who successfully argued the double homicide case this year?
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This was an elderly woman, she's believed to have had a stroke, please keep her in your prayers.
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I think, and this is part of my concern that I think we share, that this will be defined and redefined throughout the history to come, if I can use that phrase. As I see it, there will be no absolute line, therefore there will absolutely always be this struggle.
Yes, that is the concern we share, I'm sorry, and I'm not trying to reopen the debate, simply stating an opinion, that in a country founded on religious freedom, (you know founding fathers came here to escape religious persecution), to have a true and complete separation of church and state, we would have to destroy our history, remove the crosses at National cemetaries, destroy the supreme court, I know that is probably over the top for everyone, that's why I asked where would you end it. I think common sense should prevail at some point, we have the First Amendment. (Please do not take this into super defense mode again. I'll be leaving soon and will not be here to defend myself.)
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Did I cry, yes, the first time and I saw it, and, I must admit, everytime I watch it.
Graduation Disruption
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That reference was about the EPHS students laying their chairs down, seems the majority thought that was just fine, "the kids were sticking together".
No need to re-read, you admitted my point, other posters were assuming that since it was allowed, that the school officials must be CHRISTIAN, your articles does not reflect the religious preference of the school officials. Precedent set? maybe, maybe not, only time will tell.