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Sorry, but that hasn't been the rule of law since 1867. You're citing he arguments of John C. Calhoun & his Nullificaiton Theory, a good treatise to espouse State's Rights but an argument that lost the war. The Civil War settled the question that the Constitution is binding on the states, & the 14th Amendment put it in the Constitution to formalize the law of the land.
I don't think you understood my post. If it isn't covered by the constitution, the federal government has no authority to enforce it. Much of what the feds have their hands into today is not covered by the constitution at all, so they are overstepping their authority.
OK, I'm out. Nite folks.
Sorry. I thought from all your venom here, this was what you had your focus on.My bad.
Venom? Your kidding.....right?
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I just love a good argument. Especially if it's lucid and well-written.
Oh goody, here comes the spelling and grammar police. Gimme a break, I'm doing this and watching another site.
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That's bunk. The Civil War settled the issue that the Federal Gov't has the right to impose national law on the states, & the 14th Amendment made all the due process provisions of the Bill of Rights binding on all state, local & municipal gov't. Like it or not, the Civil War settled that issue. It has been the law of the land since 1867 when the Southern States agreed to it & came back in the Union.
Oh, & the Declaration on Independence is a =secular= document, not a religious one. The only reference to anything religious in it is the phrase "Creator," an interesting use of the term since the Enlightenment terminology would have meant an stand-offish deity who didn't interfere in the affairs of men. That means it was nothing like the God of the Bible who intentionally has invaded history & is actively involved with His people. In other words, the Declaration is secular. So is the Constitution, mentioning "religion" only once & then to outlaw religious tests. The 1st Amendment got rid of theocracy & we've been slowly dismantling that ever since, & for good reason --- the last time we had it, people were persecuted for not believing the religious or political ideals of the Faith in Power.
I assume you're referring to this
Section 1.All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
That only applies to powers specifically delegated to the United States by it's constitution. What the federal government has done is to extend it's authority, often with the help of the courts, far beyond it's constitutional authority.
let us not forget the 10th amendment...
Amendment XThe powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
If the constitution doesn't specifically address it, then it's state's right.
0600 comes early folks, later.
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It's kinda like E-Viagra
But different
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I think that you provide an interesting insight into this matter. You said that freedoms were being taken from you by the courts. Which ones, please? What can you NOT do today, that you could do -- before the courts made these --- changes?
In general, federal courts making decisions on issues that should be handled locally BY THE PEOPLE. The federal government has trampled all over states rights by the courts legislating from the bench and turning this country into an empire. The framers never wanted a federal government this intrusive, they named our union The United States to signify each states sovereignty while maintaining a common defense. The framers would be sick if they saw what their great experiment has turned into.
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On the Statue of Liberty, there is the inscription, "Give me your tired, your poor.....". This is an historical perspective of how we got to where we are. It is not a statement of our immigration policies for all time. The original documents do say "Creator" and the historical perspective gives us a sense of where we came from. But those documents were not intended to be used as a basis for the intrusion of religion into political matters in the 21st Century and beyond.
I was not trying to use them as a basis for intrusion, only to demonstrate how less prevalent religion is in government today than it was then. We have far greater separation now, and it isn't due to intervention from the AU.
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It's not just christianity that is taking a back seat to scholarship, it's islam. judaism, mormonism and about a thousand others -isms and -anities . This is a good thing. The founding fathers? Let's remember that some of them were slave owners and that they fathered children with some of their underage slave girls. Today, Chris Hanson would be asking them to have a seat, while laying out their indiscretions for the world to see.
The point is that the context of the day determines our course. In today's world, radical factions of various religions threaten the political climate. We must support the traditional separation now, more than ever. It's not to diminish christianity, but to preserve it for the future. People in today's world can't be so short-sighted as to not see radicalism as a bad thing. It may be the single greatest threat to our way of life. Keep religion out of government SO THAT you may practice your faith with your family.
You want to know where the power of freedoms comes from? Ask the question in reverse -- Who can take your freedoms away from you????
For the record, I don't support a theocracy in any way, shape, or form. But from where I sit there's no danger of that whatsoever. As I stated earlier, there is far less religious influence on and from our government than there's ever been, and we don't need the ACLU or the AU to protect us. You ask"who can take your freedoms away from you?" Well, they are being taken away....by the courts; and often in these cases fought by outside organizations. You mention other faiths, but I don't see much effort to take on the separation issue when it's anything besides Christianity involved. You see, with groups like the AU it's really not about separation; it's about politics. They have hijacked the emotional topic of church/state separation as a vehicle for political power. All you have to do is read their web site to see this. Yeah, I know I'll catch heck for this statement, but it's something I believe. This is something we should all fear more than a mayor blowing a couple of grand.
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I have one too, not the igloo but the rectangular plastic one with the flap doors. PM me if you want it, free for the taking.
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Actually, the founding documents suggest that one's rights are inalienable and it comes from the creator.
The declaration of Independence. Further proof that we have far greater separation between church and state today than then, can you imagine the uproar if the government published a document like that today? That dog wouldn't hunt.
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Au Contraire!
In the past 25 years we have seen religion step into out politcal forum with full force of money, voice, and action.
And basically our government prohibits that. Period.
I get real tired of the contrite diatribes offered up defending "majority rules". BS. We are a Republic, where all have a voice, and an EQUAL right.
We all, I think, agree those rights are granted and are available to all based on skin color or ethnic origins, why are those same rights NOT granted based on religion, or lack there of ?
If we are a government of the people, for the people regardless of ethnic origins, then are we not also granted those same rights, and protected accordingly, per religion ?
If the city of Dallas wanted to pay for a KKK display which was disparging to blacks, catholics, and jews [Kykes, Koloreds, and Katholics] would the community at large not be up in arms ?
So where is the difference when the city of Dallas chooses to front a display promoting a christian display ?
Argue as you will, the two are intertwined. The rights for all must be respected, be they religous or ethnic, or racial, or whatever.
That is part of what makes our country Great......we give those rights and freedoms to everyone, regardless, and that is what sets us apart from the rest of the world.
Now before you start bashing the folks who want to support a group advocating and defending a separation of church and state, question yourself if you would be willing to support groups who advocated a separation of the government from dictating if a certain ethnic group were allowed to outlaw, or advocate their ethnic agenda ?
Where is the difference in our form of government ?
You have to give everyone their rights, or declare us to be a theocracy, or an ethnic based government. And we cannot allow either.
Politicians have always spoke of God, more so in early days of our country than now. In some of the original 13 colony's, a man had to be a known Christian to hold public office. No, I'm not advocating that; just making a point that there is more "separation" between church and state now than ever before. I remember when teachers prayed in public school, I remember when it was said that JFK wasn't electable to the presidency because he was a Catholic, I remember when we had the Ten Commandments in courtrooms; we have been steadily moving away from religiously in this country for decades. Frankly, Christianity is loosing ground.
You are correct that the US is a representative republic, so it isn't a pure democracy. But state and local governments do operate more as democracies. If the mayor of Dallas (or the city counsel) spends money irresponsibly, the voters will have their say.
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(Tapping Foot!!!!) Waiting..... I need to stock up....I can be very bad... Oops I think I know who the Mayberry Fairy is.... Hmmmm.. guess I better quit waiting....
Ya gotta be careful where you tap your foot these days.
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Guard Dad,
I apologize for the hijack, but I was noticing your avatar. Can you answer the question of what Macgyver would do with the empty toilet paper roll?
LOL. That might get us thrown into the Potty Humor Forum.
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Sorry I didn't mean you, just people in general...
Thanks, I try to always keep it civil.
Not easy sometimes.
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I'm sure the sodomy laws are church based, hence the term "sodomy".
A very old law that is being phased out little by little (as it should be). Hardly a new development as the above post alludes. As to the term, I'mnot a language expert, but likely one of King James English. That isn't the language God's word was originally written in.
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They mobilized the church to nearly 100% voting turnout. When it came time to elect their numbers allowed them to vote their candidate into office
All groups pander to voters and lobby the government. Including some that the church tends to oppose. They all have the same right to do so. Would you prefer that we violate the constitution to limit free speech? Wouldn't that be the same thing you're accusing Christians of doing?
These elected officials then turned a blind eye to the Constitution and started creating laws which basically force others to abide by the beliefs and morals the religion teachesWhich laws would that be? Can you cite them for all of us here at P-com?
This influence reached into many other aspects of government including education.You've got to be kidding! Really, think about that one.
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Christianity has weathered the test of time: It can stand on it's own.
Agreed, it needs no help from the government.
But it hasn't gotten any either. In fact, Christianity plays a far smaller role in the government today that at any time in the past. Why do now, after over 200 years, need a group like AU to rescue us?
I'm far more concerned about the personal liberties we've lost due to special interest groups filing suits for the purpose of furthering their own agendas.
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Then whats up with the snide comments. If you aren't interested, why do you have to say it? I saw the other thread that was closed and it wasn't pretty.
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I didn't make any snide comments. And I didn't post in the other thread.
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Hijack. Why are people against Separation of Church and State?
I didn't get that feeling from people's replies at all. Perhaps they just aren't interested in that particular organization or they disagree with AU's actions.
I am very much a constitutionalist, but I have some major issues with AU's agenda and their politics. In my humble opinion, they're more about left wing politics than the constitution.
Just click on my ink above and read from their own website.
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I remember one year we saw some lights that was of a deer hanging by it's hind legs from a tree like it was being cleaned! Complete with a strand of red lights on the ground like a puddle of blood.
LOL. That would be good material for Jeff Foxworthy.
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Isn't it sad that it's to the point where we're excited about gas being under 3 bucks? Wasn't that long ago it was just over a dollar a gallon.
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I firmly believe that people usually make the right choices when they are aware of the facts. Please take a moment to read up on AU at their website. http://www.au.org/site/PageServer Please note all the references to "religious right" and "right wing". Then you can make your own decision as to what their agenda is.
You might also read this press release, also from their website, where they scare churches into thinking they will lose their tax exempt status if a political group distributes literature to them. http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr&p...ws_iv_ctrl=1241 BTW, that is perfectly legal so long as the church doesn't endorse a party or a candidate.
Now you know more about them and the choice is yours. Carry on.
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we had the white modem (connect or just 2 wire) there was not a antenna but we did have to pay an extra $5.00 for the wireless networking.
that is funny that you state borrow. I had our internet unhooked and could not for the life of me figure out how the kids were online... then I checked and they were borrowing our neighbors..
I use an aircard for my work laptop and as I drive it shows me any wireless networks in range. You'd be amazed at how many are out there, I can drive by a subdivision and it's nothing to read 10-20 networks in rage...most of them unsecured.
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Assuming you have DSL...
Look at your modem, if it's the Netopia with an antenna on the back then it's also a wireless router and you should have WiFi capability. You may need to call Bellsouth to get the security code.
If it's the older Westell modem, then you'll need to install a wireless router.
If you don't have wireless, power up your laptop and enable the WiFi anyway and look for wireless networks. If you're in a subdivision there's probably lots of unsecured networks you can "borrow."
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As Jughaid indicated, try BC Powder or Excedrine taken with a caffeinated beverage. Excedrine Migraine formula is just Excedrine with caffeine.
Ibuprofen is also worth a try with a bit of Coke for the caffeine. If your son is old enough, good old aspirin is an excellent remedy. Tylenol isn't very effective for migraines.
If he keeps getting them, watch the bananas and also be careful of diet drinks. They can trigger migraines.
MAYBERRY
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Heh, you remember that huh?