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Enough to go to Disney World...

 

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Enough to take my honey bunny on a cruise to the Caribbean or a road trip to the Grand Canyon.

 

Sorry to disappoint you Pubby & Postman. We will not be burying our gains under a tree or in our mattress. We will be reinvesting ours into growing the economy.

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The problem with that calculator is it does not take into consideration non-taxable income such as Social Security. I make very little during tax season so I owe no taxes anyway and it isn't enough to make the SS taxable either.

 

However, if our income were taxable, the house plan would save us almost $800 a year over the current plan. I could really like that.

 

As a tax preparer, I just hope they decide what they are going to do in the next week or so. Otherwise, I may not want to go back to work. LOL

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Trump’s tax plan would mean a $7.1 billion reward for his family — and cost taxpayers $10 trillion

 

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/trumps-tax-plan-would-mean-a-7-1-billion-reward-for-his-family-and-cost-taxpayers-9-5-trillion/

 

You mean Trump lied when he said the new tax plan was going to cost him money?

 

I shouldn't have said that ...

 

I should have said, You mean Trump lied AGAIN when he said the new tax plan was going to cost him money?

 

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The estate tax should be done away with. It should never have been created in the first place.

 

I suppose you're going to be all for repealing the constitutional provision against the institution of nobility and titles. You know that was the only way that the kings of yore could pull money from his fellow noblemen. Hell, the British Army used to sell officer commissions.

 

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I suppose you're going to be all for repealing the constitutional provision against the institution of nobility and titles. You know that was the only way that the kings of yore could pull money from his fellow noblemen. Hell, the British Army used to sell officer commissions.

 

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Blah, blah, blah.

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I take it, cptlo, that you are on principle against the law redistributing wealth. You do know that by cutting taxes on the wealthy, allowing them to invest in treasury bills, raising the interest on those treasury bills and having the revenues taken from the middle class tax hike pay the interest on the tax cuts is a massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the oligarchs.

 

You should read and at least attempt to study Piketty's book on the increasing income inequality created by the ultra wealthy.

 

Another book, of course, speaks to the relative importance and issues associated with the accumulation of vast wealth. The shortest and most succinct story involves the observation by Christ that Caesars' bust appears on the money of the Roman empire. When asked about taxes, he pointed to that fact and said simply one should render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

 

What is really peculiar is that in this day and age people ascribe so much importance to 'money' which, these days, is little more than a few digital bits organized in a database or, in its most tangible form, a printed piece of paper whose value is accepted by common consent more than anything else, including its intrinsic value a printed currency.

 

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Anything would be better than the hope without any change in your pocket plan we just got through with.

If only we could abolish Obamacare. What an unaffordable disaster!!

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I take it, cptlo, that you are on principle against the law redistributing wealth. You do know that by cutting taxes on the wealthy, allowing them to invest in treasury bills, raising the interest on those treasury bills and having the revenues taken from the middle class tax hike pay the interest on the tax cuts is a massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the oligarchs.

 

You should read and at least attempt to study Piketty's book on the increasing income inequality created by the ultra wealthy.

 

Another book, of course, speaks to the relative importance and issues associated with the accumulation of vast wealth. The shortest and most succinct story involves the observation by Christ that Caesars' bust appears on the money of the Roman empire. When asked about taxes, he pointed to that fact and said simply one should render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

 

What is really peculiar is that in this day and age people ascribe so much importance to 'money' which, these days, is little more than a few digital bits organized in a database or, in its most tangible form, a printed piece of paper whose value is accepted by common consent more than anything else, including its intrinsic value a printed currency.

 

pubby

 

 

You must have a right arm that rivals Arnold Schwarzenegger's. 8)

 

'Cause it gets a LOT of exercise pulling crap like this out of yer azz. :crazy: :rofl:

 

I'd remind you that your hero, Franklin Roosevelt, is directly responsible for taking us off the Gold Standard and creating all the worthless (according to you) currency. You've just committed Socialistic heresy. 8)

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A little PeeCom observation here?

The Democrats reporting their estimate in this topic think they are getting the short end of the stick and will pay more taxes on less income?

And the Republicans posting their estimate in this topic are excited thinking all will be wonderful and will pay less taxes on more income?

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A little PeeCom observation here?

The Democrats reporting their estimate in this topic think they are getting the short end of the stick and will pay more taxes on less income?

And the Republicans posting their estimate in this topic are excited thinking all will be wonderful and will pay less taxes on more income?

Both cannot be true. I trust the results which say it could save me $2500.

 

Dems always whine.

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I've been a GOP member forever, but this "reform" sucks for me.

 

I had deductions over the new standard deduction last year due to Church giving. However, with them taking away the State and Local tax deduction, I won't make it over the new standard and will have to pay 25% on that $4,000 difference. Removing the allowances and their credit in a few years and many of those who *think* this bill is a good idea will change their minds when their tax bills jump $1000 or so.

 

The Dems have it right for once, this bill sucks.

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Both cannot be true. I trust the results which say it could save me $2500.

 

Dems always whine.

 

 

When rich people keep getting richer, and poor people keep getting poorer, I have to at least whine. But, money talks and whining walks.

 

But too, the people who can buy you, give you away and buy you back, don't really give a damn about you, ABR! Of course, you don't really give a damn about them, either, as long as they allow you access to your Chinese goodies and your big oil income, no matter how dirty it makes the air we breathe.

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When rich people keep getting richer, and poor people keep getting poorer, I have to at least whine. But, money talks and whining walks.

 

But too, the people who can buy you, give you away and buy you back, don't really give a damn about you, ABR! Of course, you don't really give a damn about them, either, as long as they allow you access to your Chinese goodies and your big oil income, no matter how dirty it makes the air we breathe.

 

I don't really buy that poor people keep getting poorer.

I think a lot of it is those who don't have everything they want don't think it's fair those considered rich have more nicer stuff.

I think about my Mom & Dad who bought a 2 room house without indoor plumbing in 1952 for $2,000 from my grandmother. They were all middle class. The local savings & loan would not give Daddy $2,000 to add a kitchen & bathroom till he paid the first $2,000 back.

I think about our first house payment being $147 a month in 1972 when I took home $75 a week. We considered ourselves middle class.

I think about a few weeks ago when the new $1,000 iPhone came out. I rode to the AT&T store in Hiram with a middle class guy. He had reserved 1. We decided to come back later when we saw 10 or 12 people standing in line before they unlocked the door.

I realize right now I have more $ in change in my pocket than paper money I carried 10 or 15 years ago. I'm middle class.

I love to watch Hosea's Feed The Hungry on TV on Thanksgiving. EVERYONE is wearing jewelry and talking on an iPhone.

 

Is it really, the poor & middle class are worst off or is it the toys just don't come as easy or quick as we want them?

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I don't really buy that poor people keep getting poorer.

I think a lot of it is those who don't have everything they want don't think it's fair those considered rich have more nicer stuff.

I think about my Mom & Dad who bought a 2 room house without indoor plumbing in 1952 for $2,000 from my grandmother. They were all middle class. The local savings & loan would not give Daddy $2,000 to add a kitchen & bathroom till he paid the first $2,000 back.

I think about our first house payment being $147 a month in 1972 when I took home $75 a week. We considered ourselves middle class.

I think about a few weeks ago when the new $1,000 iPhone came out. I rode to the AT&T store in Hiram with a middle class guy. He had reserved 1. We decided to come back later when we saw 10 or 12 people standing in line before they unlocked the door.

I realize right now I have more $ in change in my pocket than paper money I carried 10 or 15 years ago. I'm middle class.

I love to watch Hosea's Feed The Hungry on TV on Thanksgiving. EVERYONE is wearing jewelry and talking on an iPhone.

 

Is it really, the poor & middle class are worst off or is it the toys just don't come as easy or quick as we want them?

 

 

Do you buy that rich people keep getting richer, mojo?

 

I think there are more poor people in prison than there are rich people, which would be the case because there are fewer rich people every day. Nevertheless, corporations, which became people too are powerful people. Those people will take every bit of your money they can, and put it in their bank.

 

Are corporations people? The U.S. Supreme Court says they are, at least for some purposes. And in the past four years, the high court has dramatically expanded corporate rights.

 

I'm not a class, but I take very good care of myself. I love the people who go out and feed the hunger on Thanksgiving, but I don't do it. I don't love the people who are rich, and who don't give a damn whether a Cammel can pass through the eye of a needle or not because they are not interested in that sort of BS. Money talks and BS walks. I just take care of my conservative self. I don't need much money to do that. I don't hoard money. I tell the doctor to let me die and don't try to help me if it costs more than a few hundred dollars. I'm not in this world to hire rich people to work for me. I had much rather be in a foxhole with a poor soldier by my side, than a lieutenant.

 

Corporations are getting cheaper labor as they learn newer ways to increase their profits, which contributes to their wealth. Marijuana dealers and smokers have been going to prison in large numbers, while some states allow growing, and smoking, and they also use marijuana for medical purposes.

 

The reasoning behind stiff penalties, in most states, for marijuana handling is that cheap labor is valuable to some people (corporations). Of course, there are as many reasons as judges can find in the law, but a very big reason is that some people (corporations) like the cheap labor.

 

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Do you buy that rich people keep getting richer, mojo?

 

I think there are more poor people in prison than there are rich people, which would be the case because there are fewer rich people every day. Nevertheless, corporations, which became people too are powerful people. Those people will take every bit of your money they can, and put it in their bank.

 

Are corporations people? The U.S. Supreme Court says they are, at least for some purposes. And in the past four years, the high court has dramatically expanded corporate rights.

 

I'm not a class, but I take very good care of myself. I love the people who go out and feed the hunger on Thanksgiving, but I don't do it. I don't love the people who are rich, and who don't give a damn whether a Cammel can pass through the eye of a needle or not because they are not interested in that sort of BS. Money talks and BS walks. I just take care of my conservative self. I don't need much money to do that. I don't hoard money. I tell the doctor to let me die and don't try to help me if it costs more than a few hundred dollars. I'm not in this world to hire rich people to work for me. I had much rather be in a foxhole with a poor soldier by my side, than a lieutenant.

 

Corporations are getting cheaper labor as they learn newer ways to increase their profits, which contributes to their wealth. Marijuana dealers and smokers have been going to prison in large numbers, while some states allow growing, and smoking, and they also use marijuana for medical purposes.

 

The reasoning behind stiff penalties, in most states, for marijuana handling is that cheap labor is valuable to some people (corporations). Of course, there are as many reasons as judges can find in the law, but a very big reason is that some people (corporations) like the cheap labor.

 

I've said it before. When I was working for about 40+ years, when the people with lots of money made money, I made more money. Those I worked for were very generous. Many that were generous or their families were generous years ago are still generous today.

You watch who contributes to help those in need, take their funds away and see who goes hungry.

I read an article years ago, so long ago that I can't remember where it came from that said if all the money in the world was equally distributed between all the people of the world, that in about 7 years the wealth would be back distributed much like it originally was.

There used to be a TV show about lottery winners. Many of the poor ones who hit it big actually ended up worst than they were before they hit the lottery. I'm of the opinion if you can't manage $10 you don't have a chance of managing $10 million.

As far as poor and rich being in prison, I expect there are more poor people than rich locked up. Mainly I expect the poorer ones made poorer choices. Watch the local jail website. It's shocking, after following it since March when a drunk rear ended me, I'm now recognizing names. You will see people with 20, or 30, or 40 bookings. You will see repeated address's. And you will see multiple family members with the same last name booked on the same day for the same offenses. And these are just Paulding County. I expect any communities jail website will render about the same trends.

 

Now I realize there are exceptions to every example. I see a few examples first hand where local people who were stuck in minimum wage service jobs are now moving to better jobs with better benefits as the local economy improves. I expect as the economy improves and employers must get innovative to attract good applicants, job training programs will be developed that will help even more to move to better paying jobs with better benefits.

 

I voted for President Trump because I felt the ones I know without jobs or with minimum wage service jobs, would end up with better lifestyles. I'm seeing it happen.

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I've said it before. When I was working for about 40+ years, when the people with lots of money made money, I made more money. Those I worked for were very generous. Many that were generous or their families were generous years ago are still generous today.

You watch who contributes to help those in need, take their funds away and see who goes hungry.

I read an article years ago, so long ago that I can't remember where it came from that said if all the money in the world was equally distributed between all the people of the world, that in about 7 years the wealth would be back distributed much like it originally was.

There used to be a TV show about lottery winners. Many of the poor ones who hit it big actually ended up worst than they were before they hit the lottery. I'm of the opinion if you can't manage $10 you don't have a chance of managing $10 million.

As far as poor and rich being in prison, I expect there are more poor people than rich locked up. Mainly I expect the poorer ones made poorer choices. Watch the local jail website. It's shocking, after following it since March when a drunk rear ended me, I'm now recognizing names. You will see people with 20, or 30, or 40 bookings. You will see repeated address's. And you will see multiple family members with the same last name booked on the same day for the same offenses. And these are just Paulding County. I expect any communities jail website will render about the same trends.

 

Now I realize there are exceptions to every example. I see a few examples first hand where local people who were stuck in minimum wage service jobs are now moving to better jobs with better benefits as the local economy improves. I expect as the economy improves and employers must get innovative to attract good applicants, job training programs will be developed that will help even more to move to better paying jobs with better benefits.

 

I voted for President Trump because I felt the ones I know without jobs or with minimum wage service jobs, would end up with better lifestyles. I'm seeing it happen.

 

 

Thanks, mojo!

 

I know exactly what you are talking about, and have witnessed the same thing in regard to making money. But this country was created by fleeing English settlers. Plymouth Rock and Jamestown were both English people fleeing from England.

 

The King of England, later, wanted the control over them just like he had while they were there. As liberals, we didn't want a King telling us what to do, nor how to act.

 

I am still a Liberal, in the fact that wannabe King Trump is not my President. I read the history, also, of how the English people were treated as paupers, and chicken poachers.

 

The thing is that we cannot go to another America. We have constitutional rights here, and now. It's probably not long before we come together, not in peace but in war. I just don't want some rich SOB telling me what to do, nor when to do it. Just because he/she thinks they can, indeed, take their Camel through the eye of a needle, on the way to Heaven, doesn't mean I want to go to Hell too.

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Thanks, mojo!

 

I know exactly what you are talking about, and have witnessed the same thing in regard to making money. But this country was created by fleeing English settlers. Plymouth Rock and Jamestown were both English people fleeing from England.

 

The King of England, later, wanted the control over them just like he had while they were there. As liberals, we didn't want a King telling us what to do, nor how to act.

 

I am still a Liberal, in the fact that wannabe King Trump is not my President. I read the history, also, of how the English people were treated as paupers, and chicken poachers.

 

The thing is that we cannot go to another America. We have constitutional rights here, and now. It's probably not long before we come together, not in peace but in war. I just don't want some rich SOB telling me what to do, nor when to do it. Just because he/she thinks they can, indeed, take their Camel through the eye of a needle, on the way to Heaven, doesn't mean I want to go to Hell too.

 

You talk about the English Settlers. Just think about what they accomplished with just the hand tools they brought over from England. They did not have a government to provide for them. They worked hard or they starved. Those who worked real smart provided opportunities for others.

Heck my Grandparents were share croppers in Dawson Cty. When my Grandfather died, my Grandmother worked the crops with a couple of small children till she either left the farm or was thrown off the farm (the reason for leaving the farm is now lost). She took the 2 small kids to the train station in Flowery Branch and came to Atlanta to live with the 3 older boys who worked on the Southern Railway. When my Grandmother died my Dad who was 12 or 13 went to Greenville SC to live with his older sisters who had married men who worked in the Cotton Mills. I expect they all had a choice, work or starve. Thank God for the railroad barrons and mill bosses.

Another example is Israel. I've been there. Israel is a lush green country. Look across the boarder into Palistine. It's a terrible, dirty, run down place to live. The Jewish people have a green lush country because of their work. The knew to work or starve.

I've got a friend who's son served in the Marines in the Middle East. He's back home, learned a good skill in the Marines and now has a good job, nice home here in Paulding and he cares for his wife & children well.

 

I say those opportunities still exist for those willing to work. I'm afraid of us getting to the point we will expect the government to provide. And those who provide good jobs now will have no desire to use their talents so that others prosper.

 

Be careful what you pray for, you might get it.

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You talk about the English Settlers. Just think about what they accomplished with just the hand tools they brought over from England. They did not have a government to provide for them. They worked hard or they starved. Those who worked real smart provided opportunities for others.

Heck my Grandparents were share croppers in Dawson Cty. When my Grandfather died, my Grandmother worked the crops with a couple of small children till she either left the farm or was thrown off the farm (the reason for leaving the farm is now lost). She took the 2 small kids to the train station in Flowery Branch and came to Atlanta to live with the 3 older boys who worked on the Southern Railway. When my Grandmother died my Dad who was 12 or 13 went to Greenville SC to live with his older sisters who had married men who worked in the Cotton Mills. I expect they all had a choice, work or starve. Thank God for the railroad barrons and mill bosses.

Another example is Israel. I've been there. Israel is a lush green country. Look across the boarder into Palistine. It's a terrible, dirty, run down place to live. The Jewish people have a green lush country because of their work. The knew to work or starve.

I've got a friend who's son served in the Marines in the Middle East. He's back home, learned a good skill in the Marines and now has a good job, nice home here in Paulding and he cares for his wife & children well.

 

I say those opportunities still exist for those willing to work. I'm afraid of us getting to the point we will expect the government to provide. And those who provide good jobs now will have no desire to use their talents so that others prosper.

 

Be careful what you pray for, you might get it.

 

 

Yes, the English people worked, and worked hard, and did so before they left into a land of hostility while having to cross an ocean in wooden vessels to get here. But, anything was better than being ruled by a dictator. I pray that I don't follow the people who think they can go to heaven through that needle eye. Some people's grandparents were slaves. The original inhabitants of this country suffered genocide. The English people took over many countries. The Zulu was conquered in South Africa. The Abaragnees, in Australia, were conquered by English convicts, who were sent there from England, as punishment.

 

I am a full-blooded English man, myself! I was ruled, as a young man, by people who wore the names of English Kings. They believed in dictator type rule.

 

I am proud to be an American, and love my fellow man. I don't try to dictate and don't like people to be used as slaves because other people (corporations are people) like the cheap labor provided by prisons across the country. Prisoners work cheap and the goods are sold at prices that would ease the taxpayer's burden. But instead, prison corporations tell taxpayer's that it costs their tax money to house prisoners who work.

 

My English families, before me, worked hard, just as I have worked.

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Yes, the English people worked, and worked hard, and did so before they left into a land of hostility while having to cross an ocean in wooden vessels to get here. But, anything was better than being ruled by a dictator. I pray that I don't follow the people who think they can go to heaven through that needle eye. Some people's grandparents were slaves. The original inhabitants of this country suffered genocide. The English people took over many countries. The Zulu was conquered in South Africa. The Abaragnees, in Australia, were conquered by English convicts, who were sent there from England, as punishment.

 

I am a full-blooded English man, myself! I was ruled, as a young man, by people who wore the names of English Kings. They believed in dictator type rule.

 

I am proud to be an American, and love my fellow man. I don't try to dictate and don't like people to be used as slaves because other people (corporations are people) like the cheap labor provided by prisons across the country. Prisoners work cheap and the goods are sold at prices that would ease the taxpayer's burden. But instead, prison corporations tell taxpayer's that it costs their tax money to house prisoners who work.

 

My English families, before me, worked hard, just as I have worked.

 

We might disagree on economics & politics. But we do agree the prettier mayoral candidate won.

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We might disagree on economics & politics. But we do agree the prettier mayoral candidate won.

 

 

The only economic & political thing we disagree on that no money will come to me from a dictator. Just because a dictator (a corporate person and the law says corporations are people too) pays me. I've heard a lot of people say "I can't say anything about that because I'll lose my job". Freedom of speech is not something a dictator will tolerate. It reminds me of me trying to run away from someone who then shoots me in the back.

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The only economic & political thing we disagree on that no money will come to me from a dictator. Just because a dictator (a corporate person and the law says corporations are people too) pays me. I've heard a lot of people say "I can't say anything about that because I'll lose my job". Freedom of speech is not something a dictator will tolerate. It reminds me of me trying to run away from someone who then shoots me in the back.

 

Obviously you and I had a lot different experiences in the work place. I always worked for sharp people who wanted sharp people on their team and they knew how to attract them and keep them. I sure miss the big Christmas bonuses and performance bonuses. But heck, I saved them and when I turned 60 I retired. I do what I want, when I want, how I want.

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Obviously you and I had a lot different experiences in the work place. I always worked for sharp people who wanted sharp people on their team and they knew how to attract them and keep them. I sure miss the big Christmas bonuses and performance bonuses. But heck, I saved them and when I turned 60 I retired. I do what I want, when I want, how I want.

 

 

That is great, mojo! And, I know a lot about the corporate chain of command. Management was one of my college courses. I didn't like the chain of command. I saw too many corporate people, as the law calls them, who did not have their employees best interests at heart. Most of them were money hoarders.

 

I like to work for homeowners, but even then I am sometimes paid with money they so-called earned through some corporate chain of command, where some dictator made about 500 dollars to their one. Sometimes I ask them about their job, but they couldn't talk because their insurance was at stake, or their job was at stake. I would literally hate for some corporate dictator (person as the law calls them) to have anything to do with my health insurance, nor to be commanding me to do anything.

 

I saw slaves have to take all kind of abuse, and the punishment didn't fit the crime. I know why this country has 5 percent of the world’s population, 25 percent of the world’s known prison population. And, I know why prisoners are in such high demand here in this country.

 

I am not as blind as corporate people thinks I should be. Just because I grew up in a former slave state doesn't mean I didn't see how the boss men treated people who worked for them.

 

With that said, I could have worked as a slave driver, so to speak, and made a lot more money than I made. I knew how to get other people to do what I wanted them to do regardless of what they wanted to do. I knew how to use the money to manipulate them, their insurance to manipulate them, and their job to manipulate them. I could even get them to kiss my a$$, behind closed doors.

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