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We all agree that it exists. Trump is obsessed with it. The Russians are experts at it.

The question is what to do about it.

We don't want the government to regulate it.

Where does that leave us? Is there any entity out there that we would trust?

 

Many times it is not so much a lie as a half-truth that gives an impression that would not stand if it was all there.

I have caught some outright lies a few times.

 

It has become an international problem. It can have dire consequences such as man showing up at a pizza place with a gun.

There is no accountability. In fact, there seems to be no liability period if enough people like what they say. They accept things that a decade ago would have destroyed their careers if found out. There truly seems to be no consequences.

 

There are multiple Muslim hate sites that have collected articles from all over the world and going back many years of any article that names a Muslim doing something criminal.

If there was a mainstream blog that named criminals as Christians it would break the internet.

 

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With the ease that our identity can be stolen, bank accounts emptied, intellectual property seized and national security put at risk I start to wonder if this internet thing has done more harm than good. Not to mention all the zombies that now lead their lives with eyes glued to the screen of a phone,

 

Damn you Al Gore damn you to hell !

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Fake news is not new, because of the internet. In fact, the internet has gotten out more truth with some of what I call "thousand word pictures," which has not been photoshopped by some network, or some individual. A streamed picture from a cell phone shows it like it is.

 

Our police officers have a separate line to talk on when they respond to accidents or crime scenes. And, officials get more seriously upset by leaks to the public than they get about the actual accident or crime no matter how severe.

 

People just have to be smart enough to decipher things for themselves. And, a non-photoshopped picture indeed speaks a thousand true words.

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Videos and pictures can be edited to show what you want them to show. I have become very cynical over the years. Very few people are truly honest. Many people don't expect honesty under many circumstances.

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I say Trump is not obsessed with Fake News. Instead I say Trump is a master at getting people to turn off main stream news and instead follow him on Social Media. My TV mostly stays off now and connection time to the Internet has replaced TV hours. My TV is off right now, and has been off maybe 24 hours. I'll bet 1-1/2 years ago it was on 24 / 7. This is something I just realized while reading this topic.

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civil liability --- make it easier to file suit against them

 

currently, there is no down side / negative consequences for them to sell deception

 

gawker magazine does not exist today because they crossed the line choosing sensationalism over ethics {whether or not it was "fake" news, it was still a personal attack against a celebrity}

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A lot of the fake blogs that turned up during the election were almost impossible to trace back to the original author.

The memes that people believe are just as hard to trace. Mainstream news, on the other hand, has an easily found source and would be sued for libel for printing outright lies like what you see in blogs and memes.

 

I could not tell you the number of memes I saw saying George Soros was a Nazi. I could not let that go unchallenged.

Not because I wanted to have political arguments on FB, but because it was a lie, a big one. They could have told the truth of why they didn't like him because he gives millions to the campaigns of Democrats, That is plenty of reason for most people. Why spread a lie through memes?

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I say Trump is not obsessed with Fake News. Instead I say Trump is a master at getting people to turn off main stream news and instead follow him on Social Media. My TV mostly stays off now and connection time to the Internet has replaced TV hours. My TV is off right now, and has been off maybe 24 hours. I'll bet 1-1/2 years ago it was on 24 / 7. This is something I just realized while reading this topic.

lol I love to watch lifetime movies..it beats the heck out of a news channel. :good:

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A lot of the fake blogs that turned up during the election were almost impossible to trace back to the original author.

The memes that people believe are just as hard to trace. Mainstream news, on the other hand, has an easily found source and would be sued for libel for printing outright lies like what you see in blogs and memes.

 

I could not tell you the number of memes I saw saying George Soros was a Nazi. I could not let that go unchallenged.

Not because I wanted to have political arguments on FB, but because it was a lie, a big one. They could have told the truth of why they didn't like him because he gives millions to the campaigns of Democrats, That is plenty of reason for most people. Why spread a lie through memes?

 

Good question.

 

The reason is that if there is no news you can trust, then you can be led to believe there is no holocaust, that people of different religions are inferior; that people with different skin colors are inferior.

 

When you demean people, it makes it a lot easier to steal from them. Hell, just kill them because they are inferior and therefore, not deserving of what ever things - land, homes, property they have. At Bergen Belsun concentration camp, they had a dozen warehouses where everything from human hair to teeth were rat holed as property.

 

Nazism was an organized, state-run crime syndicate that dispossessed 6.2 million Jews including wealthy doctors, lawyers and bankers. The plain fact is that is the agenda of the far, far right and to be fair, the far, far left (Stalinist). Do you really think the KKK was really about racial hatred? No, it was about exploiting blacks, Jews and Catholics by taking their dignity ... and by extension, their property. Doesn't that explain why the 'uppity' ones were the ones targeted for hate and violence?

 

There are con men who operate on both ends of the spectrum and the thing that unites them is not ideology - which to them is nothing but the words they use to execute their con which is the same - more money, more power, for them and to hell with everyone else.

 

The reality is that there are cons in the middle as well; the difference being that cons from the middle are made in moderation and includes payoffs. That was the genius of America in the post war period when the wage slavery that existed was transformed by government action to provide a component for progress in science, technology (The Soviet system gave the people advances in that realm as well).

 

Where we differed is that we included improved conditions for the average Joe by adding consumerism to the existing balance of capitalism and socialism of our society. (The soviets thought that socialism alone was enough; boy were they wrong.)

 

What is happening now is that capitalism is seeking to displace the balance that existed and seeks to eradicate the socialism, blind to the fact that it is socialism that supports and makes possible broad consumerism. It was finding and experiencing that balance between those three 'isms' that made America great.

 

Fake news is just a tool used to confuse the trends and con folks into thinking that extremism is the prescription, not moderation in all things.

 

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Real News,

 

Facebook to Turn Over Russian-Linked Ads to Congress

WASHINGTON — Under growing pressure from Congress and the public to reveal more about the spread of covert Russian propaganda on Facebook, the company said on Thursday that it was turning over more than 3,000 Russia-linked ads to congressional committees investigating the Kremlin’s influence operation during the 2016 presidential campaign.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/technology/facebook-russian-ads.html?smtyp=cur

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Didn't Brietbart alter Shirley Sherrod's appearance to make her appear to say something racist, when she did not? That's not news, it's propoganda.

The biggest problem is that if people like it, or it fits with their beliefs they see no reason to research it for facts or even the original source.

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Whenever a person is paid to write, speak, publish, or work on a job, and they are ordered to say certain things and do things a certain way, it is a bit fake.

 

In fact, a person can get fired for leaking information they are told to use a certain source of communication to discuss. or a certain compartment in which to store classified things.

 

I like social media because I don't get paid to say, and do things.

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Whenever a person is paid to write, speak, publish, or work on a job, and they are ordered to say certain things and do things a certain way, it is a bit fake.

 

In fact, a person can get fired for leaking information they are told to use a certain source of communication to discuss. or a certain compartment in which to store classified things.

 

I like social media because I don't get paid to say, and do things.

When you click on a blog site it is full of ads and pop-ups. Popular ones get paid by advertisers. You and I can easily start a blog site. Many of them get their stories from mainstream and tweak them just enough not to get nailed for plagiarism. In fact, they leave out just enough to get their point of view across. More people don't know this than those that do. They grab pictures all over the internet to make very sharp looking sites.Many hardly leave their homes. They have never gone out and covered a story or taken photos themselves.

 

Journalism is not sourcing what those in the field have covered and reported then giving your opinion on the article and most of the time leaving the important facts out. A journalist doesn't write blogs, they write stories to be published by vetted publishers.

 

How anyone could believe that someone sitting at a computer all day rewriting articles or sitting behind a microphone on the radio reading them and commentating can be trusted simply boggles the mind.

 

It is an insult to the intelligence of the American people that we can't form an opinion on the facts when given to us.

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I'll have to admit that I am not a publisher. I don't have the credentials and don't take pictures, But, I still believe that cell phone and surveillance cameras do a very good job.

 

I try to go through all of what is said and hope that pictures I post are worth the thousand words they represent to me. Of course, I'm not perfect by a long shot! I can definitely be fooled by a photoshopped picture if I don't know the source very well.

 

Just like this woman had to get a picture from a surveillance camera before she knew who the hit and run driver was. We can't even believe the protect and serve folks, LPPT, in many cases.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGjWSPFBED0

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Use a little common sense and recognize the difference between opinion and fact.

 

Half- truths are just that; they do not tell the whole story and the other half by definition must be lies. Ask yourself why you are not being told the whole story.

 

But mostly the first thing...use a little common sense.

It is an insult to the intelligence of the American people that we can't form an opinion on the facts when given to us.

 

Or recognize those whose opinions are bought, paid for and broadcast far and wide.

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When you click on a blog site it is full of ads and pop-ups. Popular ones get paid by advertisers. You and I can easily start a blog site. Many of them get their stories from mainstream and tweak them just enough not to get nailed for plagiarism. In fact, they leave out just enough to get their point of view across. More people don't know this than those that do. They grab pictures all over the internet to make very sharp looking sites.Many hardly leave their homes. They have never gone out and covered a story or taken photos themselves.

 

Journalism is not sourcing what those in the field have covered and reported then giving your opinion on the article and most of the time leaving the important facts out. A journalist doesn't write blogs, they write stories to be published by vetted publishers.

 

How anyone could believe that someone sitting at a computer all day rewriting articles or sitting behind a microphone on the radio reading them and commentating can be trusted simply boggles the mind.

 

It is an insult to the intelligence of the American people that we can't form an opinion on the facts when given to us.

 

You need to add that practicing journalism is also not cheap in terms of time, energy or money. It also benefits from talent.

 

That said, I don't profess to be doing much journalism these days I just don't have the resources.

 

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You need to add that practicing journalism is also not cheap in terms of time, energy or money. It also benefits from talent.

 

That said, I don't profess to be doing much journalism these days I just don't have the resources.

 

pubby

 

 

As good a philosopher as you are, Pubby, it is not necessary that you go out of your way to gather the goods. I have seen you take what has already been studied by scientists, and engineers, and make comments that enlighten me. that is better than being a full-time journalist, in my opinion.

 

I don't just read stories, and avoid friction. I read the wisdom of the story, and try to comprehend it so I can take it to the bank with me.

 

Mombo Jombo is just not my bag!

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