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this is the kind of stuff you should expect when the 'system' is rigged to give the votes of rural people more elective power than the votes of city people - that is the purpose of the electoral college. Why should you be surprised when you end up with this reaction because it is a serious issue when someone other than the popular vote winner is slated to take the office.

 

I mean it was Donald that was talking about the system being rigged ... and dang, he raised the ire over the inequities and now they've come home to roost.

 

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this is the kind of stuff you should expect when the 'system' is rigged to give the votes of rural people more elective power than the votes of city people - that is the purpose of the electoral college. Why should you be surprised when you end up with this reaction because it is a serious issue when someone other than the popular vote winner is slated to take the office.

 

I mean it was Donald that was talking about the system being rigged ... and dang, he raised the ire over the inequities and now they've come home to roost.

 

pubby[/quote. Well he got his wish the people came together

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Just a bunch of spoiled brats that so used to being given what they want having a tantrum. They can pack their bags and leave their citizenship at the gate if they want or shut up and take it. It's over, and kicking and screaming like two year olds will not change a thing.

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Wonder if Trump still stands by this comment that he made back in 2012? LOL

 

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I am one of many people who believe that the electoral college should go.

Trump is 100% right, it is a disaster for democracy! The Founding Fathers knew it was, that's why they created the electoral college, we are NOT a pure democracy.

 

We are a Democratic Republic and the states were given sovereign rights. Did you know every state has the ability to decide how those electoral votes will be distributed? Two states still have split votes.

 

In a pure Democracy, mob rules. Not so in a Democratic Republic. Our Founding Fathers were all too familiar with Pure Democracy and how it ALWAYS fails.

 

 

<snip>

Massachusetts’ Elbridge Gerry agreed: “The evils we experience flow from the excess of democracy,” as did the former governor of Virginia Edmund Randolph who described his desire for a republic at the Constitutional Convention in 1787:

"To provide a cure for the evils under which the United States labored; that in tracing these evils to their origin every man had found it in the turbulence and trials of democracy."

Many saw pure democracy as a form of government that inevitably “degenerate into either anarchy or the tyranny of “mob rule.” This was certainly the observation of James Madison, who wrote to Jefferson: “In Virginia I have seen the bill of rights violated in every instance where it has been opposed to a popular current.”

In fear of this tyranny of the majority, the founders clearly and explicitly established a constitutional republic, where laws are made and administered via representatives and powers limited by the written constitution. The founders and other Enlightenment thinkers believed it would:

 

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/01/united-states-republic-democracy/

 

I would to suggest to each of you to search why Democracies do fail.

 

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I'm sorry I did not see this topic...I've been watching the protesters during the night. Even feeling the President did not represent me very well during the past 8 years, I'm almost sure myself and my friends did not protest anyone or any place during the past 8 years. I've also been wondering "Just how many of those protesters actually got up and went to vote?"

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Why doesn't the president call for calm and help them understand the democratic voting process?

 

Trump won fair and square with no possible issues.

 

Obama was not my president but it never occurred to me to protest. He won fair and square. Twice.

 

Help these idiots, with nothing else to do, how the process works and go home and plan to get off your butt and vote in 4 years if you're so unhappy with the winner.

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I'm sorry I did not see this topic...I've been watching the protesters during the night. Even feeling the President did not represent me very well during the past 8 years, I'm almost sure myself and my friends did not protest anyone or any place during the past 8 years. I've also been wondering "Just how many of those protesters actually got up and went to vote?"

That is exactly what I said to my husband this morning. Probably half of them didn't bother to vote.

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I don't think it mattered if they voted or not. They are fighting for democracy.

Yes, you and they want mob rule. What happened to being advocates for the minority?

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Well, this IS America and people have the right to a peaceful protest. You don't have to agree with the reason. If Trump had lost many would be screaming rigged! which isn't any better. My Hope is that those who are protesting will finally come around to acceptance because the divide in America is hurting us all. I'm hoping Trump keeps the demeanor level-headedness and thoughtfulness he displayed on election night. Im hopeful for our future because really, what other choice do we have?

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They have the right to a peaceful protest but they do not have the right to destroy property and persons.

 

That escapes the mob rule mentality.

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I don't think it mattered if they voted or not. They are fighting for democracy.

 

What is the alternative to 'who gets the most votes'? An elite person or panel making the decision who will be President? Really? I voted against Obamacare by voting for Trump. I voted against 'these people deserve a break' more than 'those people don't deserve a break'. I voted against yet another lawyer for President. I voted for someone who I really believe will do the right thing for the entire country, not just the ones that would help get them reelected.

 

By the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

 

Democracy is how we just elected Trump. Democracy is not destroying property, nor is it impeding others from their lives, jobs or going to the damn store.

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They have the right to a peaceful protest but they do not have the right to destroy property and persons.

That escapes the mob rule mentality.

Agreed

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At this point if you are still out there 'protesting' then you are likely a worthless POS that contributes nothing to society. Get a f-ing job and move on.

 

When they start blocking interstates, like they did last night, a bulldozer should be brought out to 'fix' the issue.

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Yes, you and they want mob rule. What happened to being advocates for the minority?

 

We are not seeking mob rule ... look how the President and Secretary Clinton are handling this.

 

Peaceful protest is one of the tools of the minority in their advocacy.

 

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people who say they never protested Obama are not telling the total truth...everything that went bad or not the way they wanted, bad mouthed him....Ran this man down like a dog..and now we are supposed to take Trump as our president as vile as he has put himself out there to be? I didnt want either one to win I was going to do a write in (Micky Mouse) and I'll be danged if Donald didnt get it. Yes I can except Trump as President..but like I said he has to work and do this nation proud before he earns my respect. And by the way I would support any protest AS LONG AS THEY ARE PEACEFUL..I am not for the fires and destruction.

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Obama was not my president, either time. Not because he was black but because of who he was, his character and the fact that he's a socialist liberal.

 

I love my country, and I don't like the direction he took us in and Hillary would have been worse.

 

I want to see our country grow and prosper. I want jobs.

 

I don't know if Donald can do it but I'm willing to give him a chance.

 

And yeah I griped about Obama but I didn't take to the streets shouting kill him and f*ck the police and set everything on fire and destroy what I could.

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We are not seeking mob rule ... look how the President and Secretary Clinton are handling this.

 

Peaceful protest is one of the tools of the minority in their advocacy.

 

pubby

Since when has the Liberal crowd had a peaceful protest?

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Since when has the Liberal crowd had a peaceful protest?

 

They are only peacful when they get their way. Otherwise they are a bunch of worthless, entitled, non working pieces of crap.

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Obama still blames Bush..........now you want to talk about being trashed. I seriously doubt you'll hear the President-elect trashing Obama. But what do I know.

 

Those people are out of control, but they are getting paid to do it. By none other than Soros himself.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2184374-moveon-calls-for-protests-over-trump-victory/

 

http://front.moveon.org/

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As human society gradually solves the problems of basic survival

and reduces the amount of other miseries rooted in the reality of

the human condition, the fringe elements of that society feel an

increasingly strong compulsion to become obsessively angry about

ever more trivial causes to recapture the sense that life is a painful struggle.

 

- Eiland's Theory of Compensatory Misery

 

 

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I heard they were getting paid to riot as well.

 

But it's probably just a silly little rumor like when we heard Hillary deleted e-mails that concerned only yoga and Chelsea's wedding. And that silly rumor that she derailed Bernie's chance of getting elected. Or that Donna Brazile fed Hillary debate questions.

 

Silly me.

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I can't imagine Pubby, Whitey, GlassDogs or myself acting the way I've seen people acting on the news. I can't imagine my kids or grandkids or any of their friends acting this way. So who do we blame for these kids and young people being so self centered, immature, self righteous and stupid?

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And they call Trump supporters hateful and bigoted, but never once did they riot and turn violent. Anyway, what is the desired outcome for those "not my president" protestors? For him to say "okay, your feelings are hurt, so I'll step down and let Hillary win"? I wasn't happy with the previous two elections but I accepted it and went to work the next day. And what about those college kids who are being given passes to miss class, allowed to exempt midterms, getting free pizza, and having therapy dogs brought in? That's a little ridiculous. Everybody needs to be nice to one another.

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The young people feel hopeless at this point. Another middle aged millionaire running the country into the ground once again.

For them and myself the bigotry was the deal breaker. Their biggest concern is for their friends and even acquaintances that are not white and heterosexual. They are worried about the future of planned parenthood. They worry about the future of the planet, global warming and pollution. The young people I have listened to have not said a thing about personal loss. Many will lose their healthcare as they can't afford it now and if it goes back to what it was many will again bankrupt with serious illness. Still not one of their chief complaints but I do worry for my adult children. My son will go back to uninsurable.

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The young people feel hopeless at this point. Another middle aged millionaire running the country into the ground once again.

For them and myself the bigotry was the deal breaker. Their biggest concern is for their friends and even acquaintances that are not white and heterosexual. They are worried about the future of planned parenthood. They worry about the future of the planet, global warming and pollution. The young people I have listened to have not said a thing about personal loss. Many will lose their healthcare as they can't afford it now and if it goes back to what it was many will again bankrupt with serious illness. Still not one of their chief complaints but I do worry for my adult children. My son will go back to uninsurable.

 

 

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Really? does that only apply to these young people? Surely it does not apply to the 1/2 truths and criticism of President Obama for 8 years by right wing pundits and news agencies. Just like the 100's of post asking Democrats to gracefully accept Trump and put the differences aside just like they did Obama. Not to say vile things about Trumps wife and kids like they did the Obama's I had no problem with the celebrating of Trumps win, but the nerve to ask people to be graceful about it after the last 8 years. Since I don't subscribe to any right wing media or blogs I saw and heard it from the actual people repeating it.

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They are only peacful when they get their way. Otherwise they are a bunch of worthless, entitled, non working pieces of crap.

see this is what I mean....just because we differ on parties does not make one of us better then the other...all I see in this post is hate..is that any better then the protesters? how are we ever to all get along as long as we spew hate?

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see this is what I mean....just because we differ on parties does not make one of us better then the other...all I see in this post is hate..is that any better then the protesters? how are we ever to all get along as long as we spew hate?

 

We will not ever get along. While they are out protesting, I'm working. Providing for my family, following the laws, educating my children, doing what is right. I didn't vote for Obama and when he won I didn't act like a little bitch and crap my pants and protest. These idiot folks out protesting need to move on.

 

At this point I'd be find with the U.S. splitting to 2 new countries. Split it down the middle and y'all can have the west coast and the republicans can have the east with a big wall in the middle.

 

I'll paint the picture for you:

West coast - guns are banned, so only criminals have them, violent crime is extremely high. Nobody is willing to be a police officer, and the ones that do are criminals themselves. Everyone wants to go to college, for free, or is receiving welfare and the folks that do work finally realize their new country sucks.

 

Meanwhile on the east coast, everyone works, minimal welfare recipients, very low violent crime, guns are everywhere and amazingly aren't killing folks on their own.

 

Sounds perfect.

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We will not ever get along. While they are out protesting, I'm working. Providing for my family, following the laws, educating my children, doing what is right. I didn't vote for Obama and when he won I didn't act like a little bitch and crap my pants and protest. These idiot folks out protesting need to move on.

 

At this point I'd be find with the U.S. splitting to 2 new countries. Split it down the middle and y'all can have the west coast and the republicans can have the east with a big wall in the middle.

 

I'll paint the picture for you:

West coast - guns are banned, so only criminals have them, violent crime is extremely high. Nobody is willing to be a police officer, and the ones that do are criminals themselves. Everyone wants to go to college, for free, or is receiving welfare and the folks that do work finally realize their new country sucks.

 

Meanwhile on the east coast, everyone works, minimal welfare recipients, very low violent crime, guns are everywhere and amazingly aren't killing folks on their own.

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First off people like you scare me. You are so dam ready to lump everyone into the same basket just because of their political beliefs. Well here's a clue we are not! But you fit the bill of a racist if I ever saw one I have worked 45 years of my life I always paid taxes I never was on welfare or food stamps so don't paint me as someone who is looking for something for nothing

 

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this is the kind of stuff you should expect when the 'system' is rigged to give the votes of rural people more elective power than the votes of city people - that is the purpose of the electoral college. Why should you be surprised when you end up with this reaction because it is a serious issue when someone other than the popular vote winner is slated to take the office.

 

I mean it was Donald that was talking about the system being rigged ... and dang, he raised the ire over the inequities and now they've come home to roost.

 

pubby

Pubby, now might be a good time for you to give us another history lesson. I would like to see you explain to us some things like 1) When was the Electoral College first used? 2) Why was it established? 3) When & why was it established for our Presidential elections? 4) How many times has it lined up with the total popular vote? 5) How many times has it not lined up with the popular vote? 6) Is the popular vote and votes cast the same thing? 7) When are votes not counted?

 

Enquiring Minds want to know.

 

Edited to add... MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!

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