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Congress may be outraged, but what are they going to do? Really? Isn't everyone on the take now?

 

 

Congress Rips TSA for Long Lines, Abuse, 'Smurfing' Bonus Practices

 

by Corky Siemaszko

 

 

The embattled Transportation Security Administration was slammed Thursday for improperly giving one official a $90,000 bonus, long lines at the nation's airports and retaliation against workers who complain about poor treatment.

 

Lawmakers accused the TSA of disguising the payment to Kelly Hoggan by doling it out in nine chunks of $10,000 instead of one lump sum — a strategy known as "smurfing." He received this bonus even as the screeners he supervised failed a test to detect mock explosives and banned weapons.

 

"Those bonuses were given to somebody who oversees a part of the operation that was in total failure," said Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, on Thursday.

 

TSA Administrator Peter Neffenger said Hoggan was awarded the bonus under his predecessor and that he's put in checks to make sure this doesn't happen again. Does anyone really believe this?

 

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/congress-rips-tsa-smurfing-bonus-practices-n572986

 

 

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Health care is indeed screwed up. Much of that is due to government over reach and regulations. Top quality health care cost money, lots of money and some one has to pay. These socialist based health

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Is there ANY Federal program or agency that couldn't perform better if it were handled by the private sector?

 

Yes.

 

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I stand corrected. I know of no private sector company who is proficient at taking the money you earn at the threat of gunpoint/jail, distributing it against your will to others who do not earn it and are not on the FBI or local/state most wanted list.

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How about let's let the federal government regulate health care. Because that's what happened.

You're right; that was the main cause of it becoming so expensive.

 

Let's get the federal government and employers out of it. Put the power back in the hands of the individual and the states can provide oversight and a safety net.

 

Market competition will be back. Prices will plummet while quality and service will improve as providers fight for your business.

 

Capitalism. It's a beautiful thing!

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You're right; that was the main cause of it becoming so expensive.

Let's get the federal government and employers out of it. Put the power back in the hands of the individual and the states can provide oversight and a safety net.

Market competition will be back. Prices will plummet while quality and service will improve as providers fight for your business.

Capitalism. It's a beautiful thing!

Healthcare should not be subject to a profit driven enterprise without regulation. Edited by Rocky's Mom
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Healthcare should not be subject to a profit driven enterprise without regulation.

I guess you missed the part about oversight from the states.

 

So question for you...what makes healthcare different from any other product or service we buy?

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I guess you missed the part about oversight from the states.

So question for you...what makes healthcare different from any other product or service we buy?

Pre existing conditions, lifetime limits, people not having to go into bankruptcy in order to have a quality of life with their healthcare expenses.

 

Just because you haven't gone through this type of issue does not mean it doesn't happen. It does and we should have better in this country.

 

Life.......it's a beautiful thing.

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Pre existing conditions, lifetime limits, people not having to go into bankruptcy in order to have a quality of life with their healthcare expenses.

 

Just because you haven't gone through this type of issue does not mean it doesn't happen. It does and we should have better in this country.

 

Life.......it's a beautiful thing.

I'm guessing that you're not aware of what state government oversight is. That's who would be in charge of making sure those things are taken care of.

 

Why do you not feel that a private system with true market competition under state oversight cannot provide less expensive healthcare while taking care of the things you listed?

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I'm guessing that you're not aware of what state government oversight is. That's who would be in charge of making sure those things are taken care of.

Why do you not feel that a private system with true market competition under state oversight cannot provide less expensive healthcare while taking care of the things you listed?

First off getting all the states to agree to the same terms would be really tough.

 

What makes you think it would work?

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First off getting all the states to agree to the same terms would be really tough.

 

What makes you think it would work?

Sorry, had to eat dinner.

 

They don't have to agree to the same terms. In fact, I'd rather they didn't. Why?

 

Granted, there would be a bit of a learning curve. But essentially, it would work a lot like auto insurance does, but with a safety net and more guaranteed coverage. No more of congress regulating it. No more using healthcare as a political tool to buy votes. No more huge campaign donations from drug companies, huge medical conglomerates, unions, AARP, etc.

 

Now we have an insurance commissioner for each state. A person who's sole job is to keep insurance providers fair and honest. Because if he or she doesn't, they get voted out next time around. In fact...with out all the restrictions and regulations, you'll probably see insurance companies start to go away. The healthcare providers (Wellstar, Piedmont, etc) will start move toward dealing direct to the consumer. That cuts out a middle man right there.

 

With no federal involvement or corruption, the providers will now be free to actually compete. Something they really haven't been able to do since medicare and medicade began. Even federally funded programs such as medicare, medicade, and the VA would allow the individual to choose who to do business with, then they just send the check in. It won't be like now where these programs have to approve every little thing; all the feds would do is pay the monthly premium. Then you deal directly with your healthcare provider. If there's a problem you go to the insurance commissioner's office.

 

Free to compete, the various providers will new have to be better or cheaper than the competition to get your business. They will treat you better, give faster service, be more polite, anything they can do to make you happy and keep your business. Ever see the auto insurance commercials on TV? How they promise they will respond faster, be more courteous, give you a rental, all while saving you money. That's that's what you can expect from health insurance once free market competition is restored.

 

And the states....each state will try some different approaches. One or more will do a better job of it, and the other states will follow. Healthcare will become a point of competition between states. "Georgia residents pay less for insurance than Florida residents do". I know people who have moved to another state because of lower taxes or better services. The individual states states will try to be better at insurance than other states, because they want you to live there and pay taxes. This is why I wouldn't want the sates to all agree to the do the same thing. We need a lot of people working on new and different ideas to find the best way to do this.

 

Yes, there must be a safety net. The states would provide that, and the feds would reduce our federal taxes some if needed to pay for it. While this would not be free of state corruption, it would at least be out of the hands of congress and the president.

 

So to recap...

 

No more federal government except to write the premium checks for federally funded programs. No federal corruption, no pandering, no politics, no campaign donations from the big corporations and special interest groups.

 

A state regulated system headed by an elected commissioner who's job is nothing else but to make sure the providers are being fair and honest, and performing qualified service.

 

Insurance companies would likely die out in favor of a direct to consumer system from the providers.

 

REAL competition between providers for your business. They would have to be better and cheaper than their competition if they want to survive. Just like any other company that provides a product or service. That makes prices fall and service improve.

 

Even the states would compete to have the best system. And we'd have many more people putting their heads together to find solutions.

 

Best of all, you have control. What do you do if you don't like your plumber? Fire him and hire another who gives you faster service or better quality workmanship. Same with your healthcare provider now.

 

Oh, here's the problem. It takes a lot of power away from the government. It takes billions of dirty money out of the pockets of politicians. It takes power away from the large employers and puts small business on the same playing field because they don't have insurance as a bargaining chip with employees. And it will likely take insurance companies totally out of the healthcare business.

 

Damn, that's almost as long as a pubby post. But mine actually says something. :db:

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BTW, folks. If you want to see the eventual outcome of Socialism and single payer, this is it.

 

Margarete Thatcher said "the trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. That's what happened to Venezuela.

http://www.weaselzippers.us/271715-dying-infants-and-no-medicine-inside-venezuelas-failing-hospitals/

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GD so run healthcare like auto insurance? Compete? For healthcare?

 

Make it all about profits? For healthcare?

Healthcare for profit is bad enough now, it doesn't need to get worse.

 

Great point...healthcare not-for-profit run by the government is the best ever. Just look at the VA. :crazy:

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Great point...healthcare not-for-profit run by the government is the best ever. Just look at the VA. :crazy:

I agree that the VA is a joke.

 

I am not convinced healthcare for the private sector is the same.

 

So..........you want that the richest get the best healthcare? You think that's right?

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I agree that the VA is a joke.

 

I am not convinced healthcare for the private sector is the same.

 

So..........you want that the richest get the best healthcare? You think that's right?

 

Please explain to me how you could ever have a system where the rich don't get the best healthcare. Even if it's single payer, you'd have private practices open up for people that can pay.

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Please explain to me how you could ever have a system where the rich don't get the best healthcare. Even if it's single payer, you'd have private practices open up for people that can pay.

The rich will always get the best. Money talks and ........

 

The burden comes from the less fortunate and the less than less fortunate. I don't believe any healthcare professional would be willing to just let a person die. So, they need care. The way it was before worked so that those people would use the ER as their doctors. That's costs big money, big money. Under this act at least they would have a policy in place and would pay at least something, i.e. Tax refund towards their healthcare.

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The rich will always get the best. Money talks and ........

 

The burden comes from the less fortunate and the less than less fortunate. I don't believe any healthcare professional would be willing to just let a person die. So, they need care. The way it was before worked so that those people would use the ER as their doctors. That's costs big money, big money. Under this act at least they would have a policy in place and would pay at least something, i.e. Tax refund towards their healthcare.

 

They may pay something (that's actually debatable since they would likely get credits) and everyone else is paying much more also. For what?

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I have an idea...

 

Let's put the federal government in charge of healthcare.

 

I believe that is what we did ... and with the highest using most vulnerable group of people - the elderly. Frankly it is working out relatively well ... until the GOP came in and started giving stuff away (loopholes, screwy rules like Part D has to pay list price for drugs and cannot negotiate prices.) ... But hey, even with the GOP spending the last 35 years sabotaging the federal government, those who understand markets understand the concept of natural monopolies and even the need for greater popularization of non-profit ventures.

 

Bottom line, a broader understanding of not just economics but economies and human motivation easily surpasses the one-track knee jerk, ideologically suspect notion that the profit motive is the only source of motivation. Think of it like this ... a fertile imagination has more options to grow new institutions in societies that are effectively mono-cultures. Kind of like farms vs. forests and other natural habitat.

 

Oh, saw on PBS - a high quality, not-for-profit government network BTW - a documentary about the dust bowl and how over-planting lead to over-production which lead to a collapse of prices which led the the bankruptcy of large portions of the farmers and ultimately to drought and dust bowl conditions.

 

But black and white thinking ideologues with no imagination do one thing very well ... they communicate in newspeak.

 

pubby

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They may pay something (that's actually debatable since they would likely get credits) and everyone else is paying much more also. For what?

 

I'm not sure everyone else is paying so much more. You look at the Internet boards and you see outrageous quotes from people. Not sure that's correct.

 

Everyone seems to forget that premiums never did anything but increase.

 

Healthcare will continue to increase until we tell them what they can and can't get away with. WE are writing the checks.

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My premiums never increased until obamacare was in effect. I never had a deductible for drugs until obamacare. My co-pays go up every year.

 

Every year my premiums and co-pay increase. And so it does with everyone I've talked to.

 

I know my grandson can't afford obamacare. At least he's poor enough he doesn't have to pay the TAX, but he still doesn't have health insurance.

 

Wasn't that the point? Everyone could afford health insurance? And you could keep your insurance if you liked it?

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My premiums never increased until obamacare was in effect. I never had a deductible for drugs until obamacare. My co-pays go up every year.

Every year my premiums and co-pay increase. And so it does with everyone I've talked to.

I know my grandson can't afford obamacare. At least he's poor enough he doesn't have to pay the TAX, but he still doesn't have health insurance.

Wasn't that the point? Everyone could afford health insurance? And you could keep your insurance if you liked it?

How much did that have to do with your retirement?

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GD so run healthcare like auto insurance? Compete? For healthcare?

 

Make it all about profits? For healthcare?

Healthcare for profit is bad enough now, it doesn't need to get worse.

If not for profit, there's no incentive for people to be doctors and nurses. No incentive to start a company to provide it.

 

Even with profits, private sector can do it better and cheaper than government can.

 

Let me ask you something...would you want the government to take over your auto insurance? How about your grocery store? Clothing? Which of these could they take over and do a better job for less money?

 

I think a better question may be how much does her statement have to do with failing memory in old age.

 

pubby

Just had to be ugly, didn't you?

 

I'm pretty sure you're older than she is.

 

I believe that is what we did ... and with the highest using most vulnerable group of people - the elderly. Frankly it is working out relatively well ... until the GOP came in and started giving stuff away (loopholes, screwy rules like Part D has to pay list price for drugs and cannot negotiate prices.) ... But hey, even with the GOP spending the last 35 years sabotaging the federal government, those who understand markets understand the concept of natural monopolies and even the need for greater popularization of non-profit ventures.

 

Bottom line, a broader understanding of not just economics but economies and human motivation easily surpasses the one-track knee jerk, ideologically suspect notion that the profit motive is the only source of motivation. Think of it like this ... a fertile imagination has more options to grow new institutions in societies that are effectively mono-cultures. Kind of like farms vs. forests and other natural habitat.

 

Oh, saw on PBS - a high quality, not-for-profit government network BTW - a documentary about the dust bowl and how over-planting lead to over-production which lead to a collapse of prices which led the the bankruptcy of large portions of the farmers and ultimately to drought and dust bowl conditions.

 

But black and white thinking ideologues with no imagination do one thing very well ... they communicate in newspeak.

 

pubby

Not even! Medicare is strictly a government ran program. The government decides what is OK to do, they set prices, everything.

 

And shame on you pubby! I kept this portion of the discussion non-partisan until you came in. Both parties screw it up. The federal government is not capable of running anything efficiently or without corruption.

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If not for profit, there's no incentive for people to be doctors and nurses. No incentive to start a company to provide it.

Even with profits, private sector can do it better and cheaper than government can.

Let me ask you something...would you want the government to take over your auto insurance? How about your grocery store? Clothing? Which of these could they take over and do a better job for less money?

Just had to be ugly, didn't you?

I'm pretty sure you're older than she is.

No incentive? For doctors? Not clear on that.

 

You are equating healthcare to clothes, auto insurance and grocery costs. They are the same?

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No incentive? For doctors? Not clear on that.

 

You are equating healthcare to clothes, auto insurance and grocery costs. They are the same?

Aside from the need for oversight due to the nature of healthcare, yes. It's a product and service. There are lots of products and services that are regulated for quality due to the nature of the product, yet still sold on a completely open market. Healthcare is no different.

 

Look at over the counter meds; still regulated by the FDA, yet prices drop like a rock when they go generic. Why? competition.

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How much did that have to do with your retirement?

If you're inferring that it increased when I retired it did not.

 

I was very fortunate to have worked with a company that paid for my insurance.

 

As a bargained employee when I retired my insurance was $10 per month for the exact same coverage I had while working. Miminal co-pays and cheap drugs with no deductible.

 

As soon as obamacare was passed it jumped to $100 each month then $200 each month with increases in co-pays and deductibles, each year.

 

And it keeps going up.

 

What's your point?

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Aside from the need for oversight due to the nature of healthcare, yes. It's a product and service. There are lots of products and services that are regulated for quality due to the nature of the product, yet still sold on a completely open market. Healthcare is no different.

Look at over the counter meds; still regulated by the FDA, yet prices drop like a rock when they go generic. Why? competition.

Healthcare is different. Healthcare is very different. Healthcare is life and death and quality of life and needs to be regulated.

 

Obamacare is not anything but regulation. Your coverage is still controlled by private enterprise. They either play within the rules or they don't. They are still making plenty of money. They just want more, more, more. Not when it comes to life and death.

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