ACA upheld by Supreme Court.

[CitizenCain]

The Supreme Court spared a key part of President Barack Obama’s signature law in a 6-3 decision Thursday, ruling that the federal government may continue to subsidize health insurance in the dozens of states that did not set up their own exchanges.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/supreme-court-upholds-obamacare-subsidies-122340028541.html

[Goober Pyle]

I'm going to keep this in the Cafe for now because it is news. When, not if, this gets overly political, it will be moved to the Political Forum.

Goob

[CitizenCain]

I'm going to keep this in the Cafe for now because it is news. When, not if, this gets overly political, it will be moved to the Political Forum.

 

Goob

 

I posted it in the political forum and my computer shows that is where it is now ?

 

 

 

ACA upheld by Supreme Court. in Political discussion

Edited June 25, 2015 by CitizenCain

[Goober Pyle]

I goofed. I thought it was in the Cafe. Guess I read it wrong. Or I just assumed it was in the Cafe where nearly everything is posted. I'll let it stay here because that is where it will end up anyway.

Edited June 25, 2015 by Goober Pyle

[CitizenCain]

From Bernie Sanders,

 

Today, because of the Supreme Court's decision to protect the modest gains made under the Affordable Care Act, it is a good day for millions of Americans who will be able to keep their access to health care.

It's also a good day for the small business owners who, before the passage of the Affordable Care Act, couldn't afford the escalating cost of providing insurance for their employees.

But while I am glad the Supreme Court upheld the law, in my view, the only long-term solution to America's health care crisis is a Medicare-for-all single-payer system.

I start my approach to health care from two very simple premises:

1. Health care must be recognized as a right, not a privilege -- every man, woman and child in our country should be able to access quality care regardless of their income.

2. We must create a national system to provide care for every single American in the most cost-effective way possible.

Tragically, the United States fails in both areas.

The health insurance lobbyists and big pharmaceutical companies make "national health care" sound scary. It's not.

In fact, a large single-payer system already exists in the United States. It's called Medicare and the people enrolled give it high marks. More importantly, it has succeeded in providing near-universal coverage to Americans over age 65 in a very cost-effective manner.

It's time to expand that program to all Americans.

If we are serious about providing high-quality, affordable care as a right for all Americans, the only solution to this crisis is a Medicare-for-all single-payer system. Add your name to our petition if you agree.

The American people understand that our current health care system is not working.

They understand that the profiteering of the pharmaceutical industry and private insurance companies causes the United States to spend more per capita on health care than any other nation, while our life expectancy, infant mortality and preventable deaths outcomes are worse than most other countries.

We should be spending our money on care and disease prevention, not paper-pushing and debt collection. But the simple truth is that our efforts to eliminate waste and profiteering are endangered by these powerful corporate interests.

A single-payer system will expand employment and lift a major financial weight off of businesses burdened by employee health expenses. And the millions of Americans stuck in jobs they don't like, they would be free to explore more productive opportunities as they desire.

I attempted to offer a single-payer amendment during the Affordable Care Act debate, but my efforts were blocked.

But our time will come.

Add your name to mine if you agree it's time for America to adopt a Medicare-for-all single-payer health care system.

I am convinced today more than ever before that universal quality health care as a right will eventually become the law of the land. It is the only way forward.

Thank you for adding your name to mine,

Bernie Sanders

[gpatt0n]

I'm going to override you on this Goober ... This is news and I'm posting it in the news forum.

 

pubby

[Goober Pyle]

I thought it was a "news item" and thought it was in the Cafe to begin with. I just left it in the Political Forum because it is going to end up there anyway. Gomer and I talked it over but I didn't have time to call Andy about it. Guess this one goes in my employment file, uh?

[Blondiega1]

DAMN DEMOCRATS!!!!

 

Now you can move it Goob.

Glad I could help.

[The Sound Guy]

Mention government giveaways and the hayseed yahoos will be right here cheering them on.

[Goober Pyle]

DAMN DEMOCRATS!!!!

 

Now you can move it Goob.

Glad I could help.

Someone's car won't start one day next week.

[Mustluvdogs]

From Bernie Sanders,

 

Today, because of the Supreme Court's decision to protect the modest gains made under the Affordable Care Act, it is a good day for millions of Americans who will be able to keep their access to health care.

 

It's also a good day for the small business owners who, before the passage of the Affordable Care Act, couldn't afford the escalating cost of providing insurance for their employees.

 

But while I am glad the Supreme Court upheld the law, in my view, the only long-term solution to America's health care crisis is a Medicare-for-all single-payer system.

 

I start my approach to health care from two very simple premises:

 

1. Health care must be recognized as a right, not a privilege -- every man, woman and child in our country should be able to access quality care regardless of their income.

 

2. We must create a national system to provide care for every single American in the most cost-effective way possible.

 

Tragically, the United States fails in both areas.

 

The health insurance lobbyists and big pharmaceutical companies make "national health care" sound scary. It's not.

 

In fact, a large single-payer system already exists in the United States. It's called Medicare and the people enrolled give it high marks. More importantly, it has succeeded in providing near-universal coverage to Americans over age 65 in a very cost-effective manner.

 

It's time to expand that program to all Americans.

 

If we are serious about providing high-quality, affordable care as a right for all Americans, the only solution to this crisis is a Medicare-for-all single-payer system. Add your name to our petition if you agree.

 

The American people understand that our current health care system is not working.

 

They understand that the profiteering of the pharmaceutical industry and private insurance companies causes the United States to spend more per capita on health care than any other nation, while our life expectancy, infant mortality and preventable deaths outcomes are worse than most other countries.

 

We should be spending our money on care and disease prevention, not paper-pushing and debt collection. But the simple truth is that our efforts to eliminate waste and profiteering are endangered by these powerful corporate interests.

 

A single-payer system will expand employment and lift a major financial weight off of businesses burdened by employee health expenses. And the millions of Americans stuck in jobs they don't like, they would be free to explore more productive opportunities as they desire.

 

I attempted to offer a single-payer amendment during the Affordable Care Act debate, but my efforts were blocked.

 

But our time will come.

 

Add your name to mine if you agree it's time for America to adopt a Medicare-for-all single-payer health care system.

 

I am convinced today more than ever before that universal quality health care as a right will eventually become the law of the land. It is the only way forward.

Thank you for adding your name to mine,

Bernie Sanders

 

How'd that work out for Vermont?

 

 

Subsidy is another word for taking someone else's money.

[AcworthDad]

 

How'd that work out for Vermont?

 

 

Subsidy is another word for taking someone else's money.

Yes, and the subsidies are paid for by my taxes and those of other productive contributors.

[CitizenCain]

Yes, and the subsidies are paid for by my taxes and those of other productive contributors.

 

Like your Medicare ?

[Blondiega1]

Someone's car won't start one day next week.

 

[gpatt0n]

I thought it was a "news item" and thought it was in the Cafe to begin with. I just left it in the Political Forum because it is going to end up there anyway. Gomer and I talked it over but I didn't have time to call Andy about it. Guess this one goes in my employment file, uh?

 

It is not a bad mistake. I just would remind you there is a "news forum" now ... used to be county-wide news ... and then there is the cafe.

 

What may not be suitable for the cafe but is news is for the ones that may go vapidly partisan ... but we hope won't (actually I would like to see the vapidly partisan parts simply split and sent to the political forum leaving the more newsy bits behind.)

 

I know it is tightrope walking but hey, thats why you guys get the big bucks.

 

pubby

[LPPT]

The funny thing is we are not giving money to those that can't afford medical care under single payer.

No money goes through the hands of the poor.

Single payer pays health care providers and those that manufacture medical goods.

It pays hospitals and clinics to make sure they have the best most update facilities.

When a person goes to a facility, the people working there, the equipment, and the overhead is being paid regardless of how many come in and what is wrong with them.

If you have been to a hospital lately I am sure you have seen the amount of time nurses spend documenting every little thing that is used for the patient. I am pretty sure that it is all linked to a procedure code that validates the use.

Medicine has become a nickel and dime industry that takes time away from the patient because everything has to be done in a way to get paid.

The burden of administration in medicine siphons off billions that can go to workers, supplies, and drugs.

Our car insurance should also go down because they will no longer have med pay. That is more money in our economy and may make it more affordable for low income workers to have and maintain a vehicle.

Someone said to me we don't have enough money in this country to pay for everyone to have medical care it will break us in a few years. Maybe we can see how far that administration money on both side of medicine and insurance will go.

We have to do this, because it is the right thing to do.

 

I can't imagine how it was in this country when all children did not go to school.

I believe the changes to healthcare will be just as profound in this country.

The ripples will be many and there is no doubt many will be good.

Lack of medical care should not be a symptom of poverty in a civilized nation anymore than lack of an education is.

We agreed that our society is better when all are educated and we will come to the conclusion it is the same when it come to access to healthcare in the future.

[rbpls]

 

How'd that work out for Vermont?

 

 

Subsidy is another word for taking someone else's money.

It could have worked and would have worked except for the power of the profiteers in our system. Vermont would have been forced to keep 2 systems instead of just a single-payer system. If your question is serious, and you actually seek truth on the subject, you will find that single-payer, in many flavors, saves live and money all over this world. It isn't just Vermont where love of money wins over what is more morally and fiscally superior.

 

I subsidize you every day... and vice-versa. Nothing wrong with society providing an environment conducive to commerce and "the general welfare."

Edited July 1, 2015 by Well Read

[rbpls]

We should still repeal and replace Obamacare but only if it is replaced with a well designed single-payer system.

 

Any real conservative would be pushing for that. It is a real indicator as to whether someone is both knowledgeable and actually conservative.

 

If you aren't for that, you are either unaware of the implications or very much NOT a fiscal conservative.

 

It would be a huge economic boost for this country. It would save trillions of dollars and tens of thousands of American lives.

Edited July 2, 2015 by Well Read

[LPPT]

We should still repeal and replace Obamacare but only if it is replaced with a well designed single-payer system.

 

Any real conservative would be pushing for that. It is a real indicator as to whether someone is both knowledgeable and actually conservative.

 

If you aren't for that, you are either unaware of the implications or very much NOT a fiscal conservative.

 

It would be a huge economic boost for this country. It would save trillions of dollars and tens of thousands of American lives.

I think the Supreme court did the Republicans a favor. They talk about repealing it to get votes.

If they repealed it, ugly would not be the word. Are they going to throw people out of hospital rooms? Unplug them from dialysis? respirators? take them out of infusion centers and send them home to die. These are people that can't work and can't pay for insurance. It is the same with the food stamps, now that employment is up they are cutting back. They screamed they would do it but drug their feet. As always it is extreme rhetoric that they are not going to change.

One thing is for sure if they keep it up we will have another Democrat in office because their is no visible proof of support for a moderate Republican candidate. Talk about making your bed and laying in it.

 

I don't subscribe to any extreme right publications but I assume turning over the gay marriage ruling is on the list with all the other legislation they intend to reverse.

Republicans are not in the business of saving anyone any money. No matter how many programs they tear down our taxes will not go down they will simply end up in the pockets of the chosen few and we will go further into debt.

[rednekkhikkchikk]

Our car insurance should also go down because they will no longer have med pay. That is more money in our economy and may make it more affordable for low income workers to have and maintain a vehicle.

 

Med pay is an optional coverage you must 'opt-in' to buy. Not sure why that should cause auto insurance rates to decrease, since it's a separate charge and isn't mandatory anyway.

 

In fact, the scenario you described already took place, back in the '90s when Tim Ryles did away with 'no-fault' *(personal injury protection) as part of the mandatory coverage required in this state. Liability premiums decreased (I believe) about 15% and medical payments became an optional coverage.