Eddie Bennett Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) China kept girls in a fenced in factory where 20,000 work and live. Guard towers are positioned at the fence. They are put in 10'X10' rooms with bunk beds.enough for twelve girls in each room. Romney went there in his private equity days to see about buying the factory. click below: http://hinterlandgazette.com/2012/09/mitt-romney-caught-hidden-camera-talking-investing-chinese-factory.html Edited September 21, 2012 by The Postman Link to post Share on other sites
markdavd Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 Romney continues: "And around this factory was a fence, a huge fence with barbed wire and guard towers. And we said 'Gosh, I don't believe that you keep these girls in.' And they said 'No, no, no. This fence is to prevent other people from coming in because people want so badly to work in this factory that we have to keep them out or they'll just come in here and start working and try to get compensated. So this is to keep people out.' And they said that actually, at Chinese New Year, the girls go home and sometimes they decide they've saved enough money and they don't come back to the factory. So on the weekend after Chinese New Year, there'll be a line of people, hundreds long, outside of the factory, hoping that some girls haven't come back and that they can come to the factory. So as we were experiencing this for the first time, seeing a factory like this in China several years ago, the Bain partner I was with turned to me and said 'You know, 95% of life is settled if you're born in America." Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/romney-video-leaker-global-tech-china-factory-2012-9#ixzz276Pp6dTk 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Smith Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 China kept girls in a fenced in factory where 20,000 work and live. Guard towers are positioned at the fence. They are put in 10'X10' rooms with bunk beds.enough for twelve girls in each room. Romney went there in his private equity days to see about buying the factory. click below: http://hinterlandgazette.com/2012/09/mitt-romney-caught-hidden-camera-talking-investing-chinese-factory.html Buddy, you didn't tell the whole story on this one. But keep up the good work. Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie Bennett Posted September 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Buddy, you didn't tell the whole story on this one. But keep up the good work. I just didn't tell the Crock-A-Chit excuse, Watcher22! Everybody comes up with excuses when they get caught being interested in buying Chinese businesses. So, Romney acted surprised. The idea was expresses later, in his other hidden camera episode. 95% of the people in this countery are born with a lot of their problems already taken care of, Watcher! Here's the catch; 47% are not worth Romney concerns. He goes on to talk about middle class being the 5%, 10%, maybe up to 20% he is interested in. The ones who make around $200, $250 thousand, a year. Edited September 21, 2012 by The Postman 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie Bennett Posted September 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 What was Romney doing in China, with his so called Private Equity Concerns? He says that his Private Equity experience will help him to be a good President for our Country. http://youtube.com/watch?v=GGDpnxS4ogk Link to post Share on other sites
halo 2 Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 I know how we fix our problems.. RE-ELECT the dude that has made our car go from "in the ditch" as he said to "over the cliff"... Why not re-elect the dude that has increased food stamps and the national debt 5.5 trillion more dollars.. Why not re-elect the dude that has increased my kids debt 3 fold and will make our world a worse world for our kids instead of handing them a better world with more opportunity than we had... Why not Re-Elect the guy who shows those same kids to "blame others" instead of taking responsibility himself. Why not Re-Elect the dude that bashes other black men who believe differently than he does to the point of bringing women into legal charges against opponents until they have to back out of races and THEN>>>>>> all charges and women disappear. .. WHY NOT VOTE FOR THE GUY WHO HAS DONE NOTHING with his first 2 years when he had COMPLETE CONTROL of the house and senate? ... 3 Link to post Share on other sites
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AdamnAarens Mom Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 I know how we fix our problems.. RE-ELECT the dude that has made our car go from "in the ditch" as he said to "over the cliff"... Why not re-elect the dude that has increased food stamps and the national debt 5.5 trillion more dollars.. Why not re-elect the dude that has increased my kids debt 3 fold and will make our world a worse world for our kids instead of handing them a better world with more opportunity than we had... Why not Re-Elect the guy who shows those same kids to "blame others" instead of taking responsibility himself. Why not Re-Elect the dude that bashes other black men who believe differently than he does to the point of bringing women into legal charges against opponents until they have to back out of races and THEN>>>>>> all charges and women disappear. .. WHY NOT VOTE FOR THE GUY WHO HAS DONE NOTHING with his first 2 years when he had COMPLETE CONTROL of the house and senate? ... RAAAAAAAAAACIST!!!!!!!!!! HATE MONGER!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
xxrsellars Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 I know how we fix our problems.. RE-ELECT the dude that has made our car go from "in the ditch" as he said to "over the cliff"... Why not re-elect the dude that has increased food stamps and the national debt 5.5 trillion more dollars.. Why not re-elect the dude that has increased my kids debt 3 fold and will make our world a worse world for our kids instead of handing them a better world with more opportunity than we had... Why not Re-Elect the guy who shows those same kids to "blame others" instead of taking responsibility himself. Why not Re-Elect the dude that bashes other black men who believe differently than he does to the point of bringing women into legal charges against opponents until they have to back out of races and THEN>>>>>> all charges and women disappear. .. WHY NOT VOTE FOR THE GUY WHO HAS DONE NOTHING with his first 2 years when he had COMPLETE CONTROL of the house and senate? ... Now if Eddie had any doubts about voting for Obama you just cleared them up for him......He can't wait for November....One DA voting for another DA..... Link to post Share on other sites
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Eddie Bennett Posted September 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 I know how we fix our problems.. RE-ELECT the dude that has made our car go from "in the ditch" as he said to "over the cliff"... Why not re-elect the dude that has increased food stamps and the national debt 5.5 trillion more dollars.. Why not re-elect the dude that has increased my kids debt 3 fold and will make our world a worse world for our kids instead of handing them a better world with more opportunity than we had... Why not Re-Elect the guy who shows those same kids to "blame others" instead of taking responsibility himself. Why not Re-Elect the dude that bashes other black men who believe differently than he does to the point of bringing women into legal charges against opponents until they have to back out of races and THEN>>>>>> all charges and women disappear. .. WHY NOT VOTE FOR THE GUY WHO HAS DONE NOTHING with his first 2 years when he had COMPLETE CONTROL of the house and senate? ... Things in motion tend to stay in motion, h 2, and this motion was moving when Obama got it. You can't stop something that has picked up speed for 8 years in only 4 years. Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie Bennett Posted September 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 Well, low, you damn sure don't want to take the easy way out. Which is to be complimented. But, you might have to go to China, and be one of the woman trying to get into the fenced in gated factory, with guard towers to keep you out. Romney was interested in spending some of his Private Equity on that business. He didn't want to create jobs, though, and he didn't see how to make money for his investors. . Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie Bennett Posted September 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) According to Romney, in the closed door video, 95% of life is already set up for you just by being born in the United States. I just can't see that. I am with Republican supporter David Brooks on Romney. David Brooks said, "I suggests that Romney doesn't know much about the culture of the United States. Yes, the entitlement state has expanded, but the United States remains one of the hardest-working nations on earth. Americans work longer hours than just about anyone else. Americans believe in work more than almost any other people. Ninety-two percent say that hard work is the key to success, according to a Pew Research Survey. It reveals that Romney doesn't know much about the political culture. Americans have not become childlike worshipers of big government. On the contrary, trust in government has declined. The number of people who think government spending promotes social mobility has declined." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I say, if it wasn't for the hard working American people, Rumney, himself, would have to get out and go to work. Edited September 21, 2012 by The Postman 2 Link to post Share on other sites
markdavd Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 According to Romney, in the closed door video, 95% of life is already set up for you just by being born in the United States. I just can't see that. Romney didn't say that, someone with him did. Where would you be in life if you had not been born in the United States. Do you think you would be happily retired - spending your time posting nonsense on a local discussion board? Do you actually believe everyone in the world has the same life choices at birth that you did? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie Bennett Posted September 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Romney didn't say that, someone with him did. Where would you be in life if you had not been born in the United States. Do you think you would be happily retired - spending your time posting nonsense on a local discussion board? Do you actually believe everyone in the world has the same life choices at birth that you did? Well, markdavd, hanging around with a Mo-Fo who would say something like that is not good campaign tactics. People in this country still believe that work is what it takes to be successful. The entitlement state has expanded, but the United States remains one of the hardest-working nations on earth. Soldiers coming home from war, injured, and more people are reaching retirement age. That increases entitlement. We can't pay China what we owe them, and buy their products at the same time. That is like working for the company store. http://youtube.com/watch?v=tfp2O9ADwGk Edited September 21, 2012 by The Postman Link to post Share on other sites
markdavd Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 Well, markdavd, hanging around with a person who would say something like that is not good campaign tactics. People in this country still believe that work is what it takes to be successful. The entitlement state has expanded, but the United States remains one of the hardest-working nations on earth. Soldiers coming home from war, injured, and more people are reaching retirement age. That increases entitlement. We can't pay China what we owe them, and buy their products at the same time. That is like working for the company store. I see you can't answer the on-topic questions asked, instead you try to change the topic. What the person said was accurate. Even the poorest person born in the USA has more opportunity then most of the rest of the world. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 Good Lord, why do you people bother with his nonsense? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
solosoul Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 You can not fight stupid and that is what everyone is attempting when replying to any of TP post. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
markdavd Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 You can not fight stupid and that is what everyone is attempting when replying to any of TP post. True - Other than trying to counter the lie's he's telling. In fact, this topic is really about how good we have it in this country. Something many won't acknowledge. Link to post Share on other sites
lowrider Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 Countdown to the 2012 Presidential Election Tuesday, November 6, 2012 8:00 pm [-05:00] 46 DAYS 1111 HOURS 66698 MINUTES 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie Bennett Posted September 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Countdown to the 2012 Presidential Election Tuesday, November 6, 2012 8:00 pm [-05:00] 46 DAYS 1111 HOURS 66698 MINUTES Total needed to win: 270 Obama total: 237 Romney total: 191 http://cnn.com/ELECTION/2012/ecalculator#?battleground Edited September 21, 2012 by The Postman Link to post Share on other sites
bvrat5199 Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 Folks need to understand how these factories work over there. The fences are not to keep the workers in but to protect them. They live there because the country is so over populated and the factories are so far away from the city they have no choice but to live on site. Back in the day this was common in the US to. Kohler even had tunnels for employees that lead from their apartment buildings to the factory built under the road. This is being taken WAY out of context. Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie Bennett Posted September 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) True - Other than trying to counter the lie's he's telling. In fact, this topic is really about how good we have it in this country. Something many won't acknowledge. You have countered no lies, markdavd, but you have encountered a bunch of lies from Romney. He can tell lies out of both faces; the private equity one, and the public one. Edited September 21, 2012 by The Postman Link to post Share on other sites
markdavd Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 You have countered no lies, markdavd, but you have encountered a bunch of lies from Romney. He can tell lies out of both faces; the private equity one, and the public one. You actually believe everything the Democrat shepherds tell you, don't you? Sad. Very sad. Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie Bennett Posted September 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 You actually believe everything the Democrat shepherds tell you, don't you? Sad. Very sad. I think it's the other way around, markdavd! They believe what I tell them, because they know it's the truth. Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie Bennett Posted September 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Folks need to understand how these factories work over there. The fences are not to keep the workers in but to protect them. They live there because the country is so over populated and the factories are so far away from the city they have no choice but to live on site. Back in the day this was common in the US to. Kohler even had tunnels for employees that lead from their apartment buildings to the factory built under the road. This is being taken WAY out of context. I think you are right , but I also think it works both ways. The fence keeps people in as well as out. Here is out of context, below. Notice how context is gathered to suit the whole video, from different sections of Obama's speeches. . http://youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28. Edited September 21, 2012 by The Postman Link to post Share on other sites
markdavd Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 I think it's the other way around, markdavd! They believe what I tell them, because they know it's the truth. And you complain that people here don't take you seriously. Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie Bennett Posted September 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) And you complain that people here don't take you seriously. No, I don't complain, markdavd, because the people who matter do take me seriously. And, it's not always good seriousness. For one thing, people who think they are going to Heaven with the Rich people don't like what I say. Edited September 21, 2012 by The Postman Link to post Share on other sites
xxrsellars Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 And you complain that people here don't take you seriously. Never argue with an Idiot !!! Link to post Share on other sites
Foxmeister Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 Well, markdavd, hanging around with a Mo-Fo who would say something like that is not good campaign tactics. People in this country still believe that work is what it takes to be successful. The entitlement state has expanded, but the United States remains one of the hardest-working nations on earth. Soldiers coming home from war, injured, and more people are reaching retirement age. That increases entitlement. We can't pay China what we owe them, and buy their products at the same time. That is like working for the company store. http://youtube.com/watch?v=tfp2O9ADwGk You really haven't a clue to what the guy meant did you? What he said wasn't a bad thing at all. Regardless of your family's background, you have a much greater chance at success than if you were born in some other country. For example: had you been born in China, you certainly wouldn't have enjoyed the life you have had here. Also, why is it a bad thing for a company to be looking at purchasing a company in another country? Foreign companies and investors buy companies in this country all the time. No, I don't complain, markdavd, because the people who matter do take me seriously. And, it's not always good seriousness. For one thing, people who think they are going to Heaven with the Rich people don't like what I say. In other words, those who disagree with you don't matter to you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie Bennett Posted September 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 You really haven't a clue to what the guy meant did you? What he said wasn't a bad thing at all. Regardless of your family's background, you have a much greater chance at success than if you were born in some other country. For example: had you been born in China, you certainly wouldn't have enjoyed the life you have had here. Also, why is it a bad thing for a company to be looking at purchasing a company in another country? Foreign companies and investors buy companies in this country all the time. In other words, those who disagree with you don't matter to you. It's not where I live, E Z! It's my behavior that makes me comfortable, no matter where I am, nor where I've been. I would certainly have had to maneuver differently, in China, but I wouldn't be going Heaven kissing on a rich man arse on the way. Link to post Share on other sites
LPPT Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 I am interested in how Romney felt about what he saw. I personally know so many people that desperately want a job. Their unemployment has run out. What kind of opportunity did Romney see when he saw that factory? Do most people in this country that are employed make to much money? Do working people live better than they should? Should we all make a little less money and live at a lower standard so there are more jobs to go around. We know union workers make too much money, who exactly deserves what they get paid and who doesn't? Should full time workers be able to make ends meet? or should they be penalized for unskilled labor by having to share housing and expenses. I am always curious about how people picture things in a realistic manner. There are a lot of bullets flying around, a lot of little sayings repeated, but it is hard for me to grasp what people are picturing when they see them or repeat them. I have ask many times what poverty should look and feel like in America.When I think of poverty I see depression pictures, dirty skinny people. Of course they were never blamed, leaders were blamed. Is it different now? I know there are poor people, with the exception of the people living under the over passes in Atlanta I never see dirty skinny people. Do people think that unskilled minimum wage earners should be skinny, dirty, and homeless? We are hating on them because our taxes supplement their living. Actually many of the lower income folks I have known are chubby from the cheap starch they live on. I want to know how Romney felt about these people, that is the most important thing to me. Did he feel sorry for they way they were force to live, or did he see it as a way to make a lot of money? did he jump all over the opportunity to profit from the situation? How much we he like to see big business profiting from something like this in America? I would like to see him answer these questions in an interview. Link to post Share on other sites
markdavd Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 I am interested in how Romney felt about what he saw. I personally know so many people that desperately want a job. Their unemployment has run out. What kind of opportunity did Romney see when he saw that factory? Do most people in this country that are employed make to much money? Do working people live better than they should? Should we all make a little less money and live at a lower standard so there are more jobs to go around. We know union workers make too much money, who exactly deserves what they get paid and who doesn't? Should full time workers be able to make ends meet? or should they be penalized for unskilled labor by having to share housing and expenses. I am always curious about how people picture things in a realistic manner. There are a lot of bullets flying around, a lot of little sayings repeated, but it is hard for me to grasp what people are picturing when they see them or repeat them. I have ask many times what poverty should look and feel like in America.When I think of poverty I see depression pictures, dirty skinny people. Of course they were never blamed, leaders were blamed. Is it different now? I know there are poor people, with the exception of the people living under the over passes in Atlanta I never see dirty skinny people. Do people think that unskilled minimum wage earners should be skinny, dirty, and homeless? We are hating on them because our taxes supplement their living. Actually many of the lower income folks I have known are chubby from the cheap starch they live on. I want to know how Romney felt about these people, that is the most important thing to me. Did he feel sorry for they way they were force to live, or did he see it as a way to make a lot of money? did he jump all over the opportunity to profit from the situation? How much we he like to see big business profiting from something like this in America? I would like to see him answer these questions in an interview. How did Romney feel? Do you want to know based on USA standards of living, or Chinese? More importantly, I want to know how do the workers feel? Do they feel oppressed and abused, or are they happy to have a job where they get room and board, probably better living conditions than they have a home, and the ability to save money for their futures? The biggest problem I see with people judging factories in other countries is they do so based on our standards. Living in a small room with 3 level bunk beds sounds terrible until you realize many probably lived in a one room house with their family, with no running water and with a only a fire place to heat the place. At home, they would have to work the fields to bring home enough food to eat. In other cases, we hear about young teenagers working in factories, and it sounds terrible. The problem is they often do not have the option of school at that age and they would be roaming the streets, but having the job means they can help feed their family. Link to post Share on other sites
bvrat5199 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 I think you are right , but I also think it works both ways. The fence keeps people in as well as out. Here is out of context, below. Notice how context is gathered to suit the whole video, from different sections of Obama's speeches. . http://youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28. The corporate headquaters I worked at in Atl. had a fence, with barb wire, and the parking deck at security controlled gates. My Dads office at GM does too. Sorry postman but this article is pure bullcheeze. Link to post Share on other sites
bvrat5199 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 I am interested in how Romney felt about what he saw. I personally know so many people that desperately want a job. Their unemployment has run out. What kind of opportunity did Romney see when he saw that factory? - As a business man a chance to make money I would hope otherwise why did he waste his time going to visit it? Do most people in this country that are employed make to much money? - That doesn't make since, how and who determines what is "too much money" Do working people live better than they should? - See above, how and who defines better then they should? Should we all make a little less money and live at a lower standard so there are more jobs to go around. - Workers making less money woudl not create jobs, demand for product creates jobs. If you only need 100 workers to keep up with demand you aren't going to hire another 20 just because they take a pay cut. We know union workers make too much money, who exactly deserves what they get paid and who doesn't? - We do? Based on what? The BS stories that have been put on the news? Tell me you actually don't believe this, Ask a member of the grocery or teachers union if they make to much money. Should full time workers be able to make ends meet? or should they be penalized for unskilled labor by having to share housing and expenses. - you are contradicting yourself. You claim they make to much and now want to make sure they make ends meat, which is it? Do you want them to be non-union working in Kia factories for 10 bucks an hour or union and making a living wage? I am always curious about how people picture things in a realistic manner. There are a lot of bullets flying around, a lot of little sayings repeated, but it is hard for me to grasp what people are picturing when they see them or repeat them. I have ask many times what poverty should look and feel like in America.When I think of poverty I see depression pictures, dirty skinny people. Of course they were never blamed, leaders were blamed. Is it different now? I know there are poor people, with the exception of the people living under the over passes in Atlanta I never see dirty skinny people. Do people think that unskilled minimum wage earners should be skinny, dirty, and homeless? We are hating on them because our taxes supplement their living. Actually many of the lower income folks I have known are chubby from the cheap starch they live on. I want to know how Romney felt about these people, that is the most important thing to me. Did he feel sorry for they way they were force to live, or did he see it as a way to make a lot of money? did he jump all over the opportunity to profit from the situation? How much we he like to see big business profiting from something like this in America? I would like to see him answer these questions in an interview. LPPT I consider you pretty smart but this post has my head spinning in circles. You are aware this factory wasn't in the US right? Link to post Share on other sites
bvrat5199 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 How did Romney feel? Do you want to know based on USA standards of living, or Chinese? More importantly, I want to know how do the workers feel? Do they feel oppressed and abused, or are they happy to have a job where they get room and board, probably better living conditions than they have a home, and the ability to save money for their futures? The biggest problem I see with people judging factories in other countries is they do so based on our standards. Living in a small room with 3 level bunk beds sounds terrible until you realize many probably lived in a one room house with their family, with no running water and with a only a fire place to heat the place. At home, they would have to work the fields to bring home enough food to eat. In other cases, we hear about young teenagers working in factories, and it sounds terrible. The problem is they often do not have the option of school at that age and they would be roaming the streets, but having the job means they can help feed their family. I have been to several factories in China for my previous job at Home Depot. Most of the workers are no different then American factory workers and enjoy their jobs as best they can. What this report doesn't include is that they get 3 weeks off at a time during various parts of the year (including their biggest holiday the new year) and don't pay for their room or food when they are living on site. They also are not required to live on site if they have means to get back and forth to work everyday and be on time. HOWEVER, due to the location of the factories compared to where they live and the over population of the country stressing the road ways that is all but impossiable. This is much to do about absolutly nothing. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 I have been to several factories in China for my previous job at Home Depot. Most of the workers are no different then American factory workers and enjoy their jobs as best they can. What this report doesn't include is that they get 3 weeks off at a time during various parts of the year (including their biggest holiday the new year) and don't pay for their room or food when they are living on site. They also are not required to live on site if they have means to get back and forth to work everyday and be on time. HOWEVER, due to the location of the factories compared to where they live and the over population of the country stressing the road ways that is all but impossiable. This is much to do about absolutly nothing. I have a friend of mine that worked for Home Depot that used to go to China a good bit too. He now works for one of the vendors he was going to China to see. Link to post Share on other sites
markdavd Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 It amazes me how many people believe the entire world lives at the same standards we do. Link to post Share on other sites
bvrat5199 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 I have a friend of mine that worked for Home Depot that used to go to China a good bit too. He now works for one of the vendors he was going to China to see. that happens ALL the time. It amazes me how many people believe the entire world lives at the same standards we do. Tell me about it. If a nation doesn't have the same standard of living, or the same standard of gov't they MUST be converted. I've often thought a great political campaign for a President would be that he promised to conver the whole world to our way of life....like Bush and Ronnie did. (I kid) Link to post Share on other sites
teacherman Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Has nothing to do with his ability to run our Country, next. Link to post Share on other sites
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