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Animals in the Grocery Stores.................

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ONLY Service Animals are allowed in any store!!  Service Dogs has a legitimate vest, walks by it’s handler/owner and NOT in the shopping cart!! WHY, don’t folks get this??  In Walmart today there was a dog, sitting in the Baby seat of the shopping cart. I asked a Store Manager can’t they ask the Customer to leave and I was informed that they can’t say anything to the customers IF they get past the front door.  That’s a bunch of BULL!! I called Corporate and they said it’s at the discretion of the store manager as to what they let goon in their store! Really?? I told him that was a lame excuse.  “Well, I can’t control what the managers do, I’m just customer Service!” Well, transfer me to someone who COULD,  This is why I don’t shop there!!!  I’ll be calling the Health Department tomorrow. This is getting out of hand. I even seen a Cat in a store, last Saturday. 

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A business owner or staff member may ask a customer with an animal if it is a service animal for a disability and what task it performs.  They cannot not ask about the disability and they have documentation proving it to be a service animal.  The ADA is very clear about that.  The store manager at the Walmart you visited probably got tired of asking a long time ago, because the odds are everybody asked said the animal was a service animal, at which point the manager cannot do anything.  I've heard several customers say the animal was their "emotional support" animal.  Clearly a lot of people are now taking their pets with them shopping falsely claiming the pet is a service animal.

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1 hour ago, Foxmeister said:

A business owner or staff member may ask a customer with an animal if it is a service animal for a disability and what task it performs.  They cannot not ask about the disability and they have documentation proving it to be a service animal.  The ADA is very clear about that.  The store manager at the Walmart you visited probably got tired of asking a long time ago, because the odds are everybody asked said the animal was a service animal, at which point the manager cannot do anything.  I've heard several customers say the animal was their "emotional support" animal.  Clearly a lot of people are now taking their pets with them shopping falsely claiming the pet is a service animal.

maybe they need to issue a tag like Handicap license so they could have proof of service animals? JMO

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Real service dogs have certifications issued to the owner.  Owners of service dogs can purchase vests to put on their dogs to identify them as service dogs, but the ADA does not force owners to do so.  Most likely because it will identify to the public the owner has a disability.  You can argue having the dog without a vest in a business that only permits service self-identifies the person with a service dog as having a disability; so why not change the law the dog must wear a service dog vest?  How effective would the law be when anyone can buy such a vest for their dog?  You would then have people buying the vests and patches and putting them on their dog who is not a certified service dog.  Such a law would not prevent people from bringing their pets into businesses with them.

The only thing a business can do is tell a customer to leave if the dog is acting aggressively and shows signs it is not housebroken.  Trained service dogs will not even bark at strangers in public and will not urinate or defecate in a building.

BTW there is no official designation for "service cats."  The ADA recognizes only service dogs.  The DOJ recognizes emotional support animals i.e. cats, guinea pigs etc if the owner has a letter from a mental health provider they must produce stating the animal provides therapeutic support.  This allows that pet to be with them on an airplane at no extra charge.  Georgia's law on service dogs is the same as the ADA.

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2 hours ago, Foxmeister said:

Real service dogs have certifications issued to the owner.  Owners of service dogs can purchase vests to put on their dogs to identify them as service dogs, but the ADA does not force owners to do so.  Most likely because it will identify to the public the owner has a disability.  You can argue having the dog without a vest in a business that only permits service self-identifies the person with a service dog as having a disability; so why not change the law the dog must wear a service dog vest?  How effective would the law be when anyone can buy such a vest for their dog?  You would then have people buying the vests and patches and putting them on their dog who is not a certified service dog.  Such a law would not prevent people from bringing their pets into businesses with them.

The only thing a business can do is tell a customer to leave if the dog is acting aggressively and shows signs it is not housebroken.  Trained service dogs will not even bark at strangers in public and will not urinate or defecate in a building.

BTW there is no official designation for "service cats."  The ADA recognizes only service dogs.  The DOJ recognizes emotional support animals i.e. cats, guinea pigs etc if the owner has a letter from a mental health provider they must produce stating the animal provides therapeutic support.  This allows that pet to be with them on an airplane at no extra charge.  Georgia's law on service dogs is the same as the ADA.

yeah...while I am an animal lover I feel like if your going shopping leave your pet at home..Like Mrs G said I have seen all kinds of small dogs riding in a shopping cart up and down the meats and other foods..but I am just a little guy and my opinions don't make any difference to Wal Mart or other stores.

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13 minutes ago, Mrskittycat said:

yeah...while I am an animal lover I feel like if your going shopping leave your pet at home..Like Mrs G said I have seen all kinds of small dogs riding in a shopping cart up and down the meats and other foods..but I am just a little guy and my opinions don't make any difference to Wal Mart or other stores.

Here's the problem; store managers are afraid of offending someone and a complaint being lodged against them.

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On ‎9‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 2:12 AM, Mrs G said:

ONLY Service Animals are allowed in any store!!  Service Dogs has a legitimate vest, walks by it’s handler/owner and NOT in the shopping cart!! WHY, don’t folks get this??  In Walmart today there was a dog, sitting in the Baby seat of the shopping cart. I asked a Store Manager can’t they ask the Customer to leave and I was informed that they can’t say anything to the customers IF they get past the front door.  That’s a bunch of BULL!! I called Corporate and they said it’s at the discretion of the store manager as to what they let goon in their store! Really?? I told him that was a lame excuse.  “Well, I can’t control what the managers do, I’m just customer Service!” Well, transfer me to someone who COULD,  This is why I don’t shop there!!!  I’ll be calling the Health Department tomorrow. This is getting out of hand. I even seen a Cat in a store, last Saturday. 

Was this at a Paulding Store?

On ‎9‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 2:44 PM, Mrskittycat said:

yeah...while I am an animal lover I feel like if your going shopping leave your pet at home..Like Mrs G said I have seen all kinds of small dogs riding in a shopping cart up and down the meats and other foods..but I am just a little guy and my opinions don't make any difference to Wal Mart or other stores.

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On ‎9‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 2:58 PM, Foxmeister said:

Here's the problem; store managers are afraid of offending someone and a complaint being lodged against them.

YEP 

Edited by Caped Crusader
I type SLOWER than I Think (LOL) :-)

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1 hour ago, rednekkhikkchikk said:

Maybe a matter to be brought to the attention of the health department?

 

The health department cannot override the ADA.  The ADA is the law.

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On 9/4/2019 at 9:50 AM, Foxmeister said:

A business owner or staff member may ask a customer with an animal if it is a service animal for a disability and what task it performs.  They cannot not ask about the disability and they have documentation proving it to be a service animal.  The ADA is very clear about that.  The store manager at the Walmart you visited probably got tired of asking a long time ago, because the odds are everybody asked said the animal was a service animal, at which point the manager cannot do anything.  I've heard several customers say the animal was their "emotional support" animal.  Clearly a lot of people are now taking their pets with them shopping falsely claiming the pet is a service animal.

Walmart won't even do that!! I was told "IF" they get past the front door, they can't ask the customer "anything!!"  But, the Customer Service (1-800-WAL-MART) said it's at the Managers Discretion whether or not to question the customers.  Sounds like they need to hire the folks who WILL do their job right and not just someone who just walks around , looks busy and turns a blind eye, when they see an animal coming in the door!!!!!!  This world and the Society as a whole, is getting weaker and weaker by the day!!! Letting this slide, letting that slide, even the Justice System is getting slack!!! A perfect example is the man that had been arrested 65 times, the latest arrest were for drug charges.  Yes, they set him a bond but, he didn't have anyone who had the $$ to get him out on bond!!   https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/fulton-county/man-with-65-prior-arrests-gets-bond-after-latest-trip-to-jail/979596061

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14 hours ago, Mrs G said:

Walmart won't even do that!! I was told "IF" they get past the front door, they can't ask the customer "anything!!"  But, the Customer Service (1-800-WAL-MART) said it's at the Managers Discretion whether or not to question the customers.  Sounds like they need to hire the folks who WILL do their job right and not just someone who just walks around , looks busy and turns a blind eye, when they see an animal coming in the door!!!!!!  This world and the Society as a whole, is getting weaker and weaker by the day!!! Letting this slide, letting that slide, even the Justice System is getting slack!!! A perfect example is the man that had been arrested 65 times, the latest arrest were for drug charges.  Yes, they set him a bond but, he didn't have anyone who had the $$ to get him out on bond!!   https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/fulton-county/man-with-65-prior-arrests-gets-bond-after-latest-trip-to-jail/979596061

Why is society becoming weaker by the day?  Is it because of a large group of people pushing an agenda that everything must be fair and that there should be an entity that provides the essentials of life for free?  Look at the latest decisions made by Walmart after a shooting.  They made those decisions based out of fear that a group would push for a boycott against them if they didn't.  Business decisions like these are made out of fear of retaliation.

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On 9/6/2019 at 5:08 PM, rednekkhikkchikk said:

So these emotional support animals are also covered by the ADA? 

"IF" they are. They still should have on a Service Dog Vest AND walk by the Handler and NOT be in the baby seat of the shopping carts!

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2 hours ago, Mrs G said:

"IF" they are. They still should have on a Service Dog Vest AND walk by the Handler and NOT be in the baby seat of the shopping carts!

Service dogs are not required to wear a vest or anything else that identifies them as a service dog, says the ADA.  The ADA does not require service dogs on a leash, nor prohibits them from riding in shopping carts.

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On 9/6/2019 at 8:48 AM, Caped Crusader said:

Was this at a Paulding Store?

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Yes, it was in Hiram! I’ve seen an older lady in Kroger on 278 & 61 with a Pomeranian. She was going out the door when I was going in. The Store Manager said that the Older Lady has been told NOT to be bringing in the dog and she continues to do so. Maybe the Lady needs to be given a Trespassing Notice from the Store and that would Stop Her shenanigans!!!  The Service Dogs/Animals should be required to hold a “certificate “ (for lack of a better word/term) just like a person with a handicap but, it needs to be a placard/certificate that the owner must carry with them at ALL times. The Store Managers/Employees should be granted the right to ask for said placard/certificate when entering or even if they’ve already made their way into a store!!!  Something has got to be done. Otherwise, there will be all kind of animals in the stores!!!  I’ve even seen a lady in Carrollton with a cat on her shoulder, I kid you not!! 

Yes, in Hiram.

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