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Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp signs controversial 'heartbeat' bill into law

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Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp signed the "heartbeat" bill into law Tuesday morning.

Kemp kept his campaign promise in signing the bill, HB 481, technically called the "Living Infants Fairness and Equality (LIFE) Act, that will prohibit aboortzions in the state after a heartbeat is detected, as early as six weeks into a pregnancy. The law allows exceptions in the case of rape, incest, or if the life of the mother is in danger.

Before the signing of the bill, State Rep. Ed Setzler, pointed to science, law, and the simple fact that common sense says a beating heart is a sign of life and those children should receive the full protection of the law.

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-gov-brian-kemp-signs-controversial-heartbeat-bill-into-law

 

 

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Unconstitutional. I’m curious to see how the folks that believe that the constitution is the letter of the law handle this.

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I think we might have a much better government if people would stop trying to use it to control others or impose their agenda on everybody else. That's all I have to say about that.

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Since the SCOTUS has not yet rulled on similar laws, we really cannot say they are unconstitutional. Lower courts have thrown them out, but part of the reason states keep passing them is because they want the Supremes to eventually hear the case. Many legal scholors feels that a heartbeat equals life, and that would give an unborn baby protection under the First Amendment. I tend to agree with this belief.

 

How can anyone justify killing an unborn child with a heartbeat? How is that any different from killing a human being who is outside of the womb?

 

This is about whether or not we respect and value innocent human life, folks. We all need to think about this.

I think we might have a much better government if people would stop trying to use it to control others or impose their agenda on everybody else. That's all I have to say about that.

 

Agenda? Like protecting innocent life?

 

When murder and manslaughter were made illegal, was that imposing an agenda on someone else?

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Is human life not to be cherished?

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Is human life not to be cherished?

 

You think ?

 

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/national-international/Las-Vegas-Concert-Mass-Shooting-Country-Music-Festival-449045513.html

 

When you saints start preaching as much concern for the thousands that die everyday because of some nut job with a gun as you are for this then I'll throw a dollar in the collection plate. When you start giving a rats ass amount of concern over whether or not a child gets a decent meal at night as you are about forcing a woman carry it then I'll join the choir.

 

Because until I see people care as much for that baby after it leaves the hospital as you say you are before it's born then I might think this is more about control than it is about life.

 

And as long as you are so anxious to change the constitution remember god didn't write the 2nd amendment'

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You think ?

 

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/national-international/Las-Vegas-Concert-Mass-Shooting-Country-Music-Festival-449045513.html

 

When you saints start preaching as much concern for the thousands that die everyday because of some nut job with a gun as you are for this then I'll throw a dollar in the collection plate. When you start giving a rats ass amount of concern over whether or not a child gets a decent meal at night as you are about forcing a woman carry it then I'll join the choir.

 

Because until I see people care as much for that baby after it leaves the hospital as you say you are before it's born then I might think this is more about control than it is about life.

 

And as long as you are so anxious to change the constitution remember god didn't write the 2nd amendment'

 

So until your criteria is met...Kill all the babies you want? With respect to control, no one is telling you that you cant collect rain water in a barrel. Its more about the whole butchering of innocents. Typically it is looked down upon kind of like drowning puppies.

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You think ?

 

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/national-international/Las-Vegas-Concert-Mass-Shooting-Country-Music-Festival-449045513.html

 

When you saints start preaching as much concern for the thousands that die everyday because of some nut job with a gun as you are for this then I'll throw a dollar in the collection plate. When you start giving a rats ass amount of concern over whether or not a child gets a decent meal at night as you are about forcing a woman carry it then I'll join the choir.

 

Because until I see people care as much for that baby after it leaves the hospital as you say you are before it's born then I might think this is more about control than it is about life.

 

And as long as you are so anxious to change the constitution remember god didn't write the 2nd amendment'

Please explain in detail how your gun control will help this? On this particular shooting, the only thing different about the weapons used from hunting rifles was the bump stocks. Made legal by Obama, BTW, and recently outlawed by Trump. Ooops, those pesky facts!

 

The vast majority of the other shootings were done with legally obtained weapons.

 

To be clear, even one child being unnecessarily killed is too many. But let's look at some real numbers here.

 

In 2018, which was one of the worst years for mass shootings, there was a total of 113 people (adults and children) killed by shooters.

 

In the same year, there were 638,169 aboortzions.

 

113 vs 639169. How dare you compare the two just for the sake of partisan politics! Especially when a change in law can make a huge difference in the number of aboortzions, while more gun restrictions would make little or no difference in mass shootings.

 

What will it take for you to realize that mass shootings are a mental illness problem, not a gun problem? Oh that's right, it doesn't fit your politics.

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This is a topic that I avoid most of the time. I am very conservative on almost all issues and proud of it. However in the case of telling some one what they can do with their own body it is a slippery slope. My opinion is the answer is somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately the law is seldom written with any sensible gray area. This gray area would require case by case analysis by impartial judges of each situation. This allows for subjectivity which can be corrupted and manipulated by outside forces. In cases of incest, rape, endangerment of the mother or definitive proof of severe genetic defects I think termination of pregnancy should be a legal viable option. In cases of using aboortzion as birth control I am fervently against it. I also believe life begins and ends with a heartbeat. The people in this thread who bring up gun violence are just using a favorite tactic of the left, misdirection. The two topics have nothing to do with each other it is just mindless chatter from the mindless. The legality of this law will be tested but there is no passage in the constitution that says you have the right to kill anyone, born or unborn.

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It's not about telling someone what they can do with their own body at all, it's about the life within them.

IMO, we don't have the moral right to terminate an innocent life, even if it is inside a person.

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This is a topic that I avoid most of the time. I am very conservative on almost all issues and proud of it. However in the case of telling some one what they can do with their own body it is a slippery slope. My opinion is the answer is somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately the law is seldom written with any sensible gray area. This gray area would require case by case analysis by impartial judges of each situation. This allows for subjectivity which can be corrupted and manipulated by outside forces. In cases of incest, rape, endangerment of the mother or definitive proof of severe genetic defects I think termination of pregnancy should be a legal viable option. In cases of using aboortzion as birth control I am fervently against it. I also believe life begins and ends with a heartbeat. The people in this thread who bring up gun violence are just using a favorite tactic of the left, misdirection. The two topics have nothing to do with each other it is just mindless chatter from the mindless. The legality of this law will be tested but there is no passage in the constitution that says you have the right to kill anyone, born or unborn.

Very well said. My fear re this came from a case in Ohio who passed this same type law without all the exceptions. 11 year old girl who was raped and is now pregnant forced to carry the baby to full term.

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This is a topic that I avoid most of the time. I am very conservative on almost all issues and proud of it. However in the case of telling some one what they can do with their own body it is a slippery slope. My opinion is the answer is somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately the law is seldom written with any sensible gray area. This gray area would require case by case analysis by impartial judges of each situation. This allows for subjectivity which can be corrupted and manipulated by outside forces. In cases of incest, rape, endangerment of the mother or definitive proof of severe genetic defects I think termination of pregnancy should be a legal viable option. In cases of using aboortzion as birth control I am fervently against it. I also believe life begins and ends with a heartbeat. The people in this thread who bring up gun violence are just using a favorite tactic of the left, misdirection. The two topics have nothing to do with each other it is just mindless chatter from the mindless. The legality of this law will be tested but there is no passage in the constitution that says you have the right to kill anyone, born or unborn.

I agree, very well said. Best I ever heard that represents my feelings. I just couldn’t put it into words. This brings back to memory, I worked with a guy in SC more than 30 years ago. He and his wife were very much in agreement with what you’ve said here. She was expecting and at about 3 or 4 or 6 months (I can’t remember the time line now) they found out the little boy had terrible, terrible, terrible health issues, where if he survived birth he would be in terrible agony, plus put the mother in terrible risk. They agreed to induce labor, she delivered the little guy, he survived only minutes, then they had a funeral for him. They were crushed loosing the little guy. When delivered, they found out his conditions were just as bad as expected. They did what was best for the little guy, still they grieved terribly.

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Very well said. My fear re this came from a case in Ohio who passed this same type law without all the exceptions. 11 year old girl who was raped and is now pregnant forced to carry the baby to full term.

 

Alabama is in a battle now to do the same thing.

 

 

 

The Alabama Senate delayed until next week a vote on a bill to ban aboortzion after an uproar over a key amendment.

The Senate abruptly removed a rape and incest exception from the bill without allowing a roll call vote on that decision.

The move shocked Senate Minority Leader Bobby Singleton, D-Greensboro, who had just said at the Senate mic that he wanted a roll call vote on every question concerning the aboortzion bill.

 

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Even I struggle with the rape and incest issue. I still think it's wrong to kill an unborn, but at the same time I feel horrible for the women who are victims of such.

I never claimed to have all the answers, folks.

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Even I struggle with the rape and incest issue. I still think it's wrong to kill an unborn, but at the same time I feel horrible for the women who are victims of such.

 

I never claimed to have all the answers, folks.

Who does? The issue is not black or white (so not talking about race) It's a very gray issue. If men could get pregnant I really don't think most of the aspects of this discussion would exist. JMH

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Who does? The issue is not black or white (so not talking about race) It's a very gray issue. If men could get pregnant I really don't think most of the aspects of this discussion would exist. JMH

That wouldn't change my opinion. I have a deep rooted belief that an unborn child is human life, and that it's wrong for us to take that life. Most of the women around me agree.

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We've let this topic go on long enough as it was a news interest. Now it is the A topic only. Closed.

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