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Posted 15 April 2019 - 02:54 PM

 As Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, France, burned in a horrifying fire that reportedly brought down the iconic spire atop the eight-century-old structure, Donald Trump checked in on Twitter with his own solution to the calamity — “flying water tankers.”

 

 

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 03:50 PM

Hey, I believe trump said this from his heart being in the right place. His brain may not have been in the right place but I do believe his heart was in the right place.

After reading the article, it seems that the weight of the water from the tanker would have collapsed any of the remaining structure.

It’s just embarrassing that the president feels the need to broadcast these ill thought out ideas to the world. I wish he would double check with someone in the know before sending it out to the world.
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Posted 15 April 2019 - 05:07 PM

Hey, I believe trump said this from his heart being in the right place. His brain may not have been in the right place but I do believe his heart was in the right place.

After reading the article, it seems that the weight of the water from the tanker would have collapsed any of the remaining structure.

 

I agree, and shame on Cain for introducing hateful politics into a thread about a terrible disaster.
 

 

It’s just embarrassing that the president feels the need to broadcast these ill thought out ideas to the world. I wish he would double check with someone in the know before sending it out to the world.

I don't particularly care for his Tweets, but he has to do something to get his message out when a corrupt media won't tell the truth. Just wish he'd find a more tactful means of doing so.


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Posted 15 April 2019 - 06:18 PM

I agree, and shame on Cain for introducing hateful politics into a thread about a terrible disaster.
 

I don't particularly care for his Tweets, but he has to do something to get his message out when a corrupt media won't tell the truth. Just wish he'd find a more tactful means of doing so.

And shame on you for taking the opportunity to slam Cain for posting about a worldwide heartfelt tragedy, via posting trumps name and an article. Maybe you should have posted about it first?
I, for one, say thank you for posting about this CC.

The corrupt media had nothing to do with the reporting of this tragedy. Not that Ive seen anyway. He just tends to think that he knows everything about everything, when, in fact, it seems he knows very little about very little.

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 08:48 PM

And shame on you for taking the opportunity to slam Cain for posting about a worldwide heartfelt tragedy, via posting trumps name and an article. Maybe you should have posted about it first?
I, for one, say thank you for posting about this CC.
The corrupt media had nothing to do with the reporting of this tragedy. Not that Ive seen anyway. He just tends to think that he knows everything about everything, when, in fact, it seems he knows very little about very little.

Guess I should have known better than to think you would be reasonable about this.

As usual, Cain started a crap storm,and you defend him.

And you wonder why no one wants to post here anymore.
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Posted 15 April 2019 - 09:06 PM

Guess I should have known better than to think you would be reasonable about this.
As usual, Cain started a crap storm,and you defend him.
And you wonder why no one wants to post here anymore.


Oh, just be quiet blowhard. I don’t care what you think or what you say.
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Posted 15 April 2019 - 09:17 PM

And the hate continues on this forum. Can't even post about a tragic event without them coming out.
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Posted 15 April 2019 - 09:26 PM

And the hate continues on this forum. Can't even post about a tragic event without them coming out.


After the way you have posted about me, you simply must be stupid to think I would address you in any other way.
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Posted 15 April 2019 - 09:38 PM

After the way you have posted about me, you simply must be stupid to think I would address you in any other way.


Not everyone holds grudges. I even liked your post above.

If you want to be a hater, I can't stop you.
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Posted 15 April 2019 - 10:27 PM

Not everyone holds grudges. I even liked your post above.
If you want to be a hater, I can't stop you.


If you want to promote your hatred, I can’t stop you. You need to stop saying everyone else is harboring hatred when it’s only you that is throwing the hatred around. No grudges. I’m simply explaining myself.

What I can do is not participate in this stupid back and forth with you, which I think I will do.
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Posted 15 April 2019 - 11:05 PM

If you want to promote your hatred, I can’t stop you. You need to stop saying everyone else is harboring hatred when it’s only you that is throwing the hatred around. No grudges. I’m simply explaining myself.

What I can do is not participate in this stupid back and forth with you, which I think I will do.

You can babble all you want, but I direct you back to what started all this, and that was Cain dragging his hateful politics into a thread that was about a sad disaster.

You cannot deny that, it's right here in the thread, post number 3. I reported it, but as usual, there's not a mod available to take the trash out.

It's always how this stuff starts, with either you or Cain or pubby posting your hate.

My expressing distaste at Cain hijacking a good thread over his ugly politics is not hate, it's compassion.  Unfortunately, you don't know the difference.

I'm tired of your nastiness, so I'm out. Continue to destroy what little is left of this forum if you wish.

 


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 01:48 AM

You can babble all you want, but I direct you back to what started all this, and that was Cain dragging his hateful politics into a thread that was about a sad disaster.

You cannot deny that, it's right here in the thread, post number 3. I reported it, but as usual, there's not a mod available to take the trash out.

It's always how this stuff starts, with either you or Cain or pubby posting your hate.

My expressing distaste at Cain hijacking a good thread over his ugly politics is not hate, it's compassion.  Unfortunately, you don't know the difference.

I'm tired of your nastiness, so I'm out. Continue to destroy what little is left of this forum if you wish.

 

 

You are the one who is babbling GD.

 

My reading is that if you just choose NOT TO CALL PEOPLE OUT for the most insignificant absurdities, the conversations that you insist on pointing out as nasty, would be otherwise ignored, given little substance or otherwise be handled appropriately.

 

In other words if you were capable of being nice, you wouldn't come across like a whiny little B.

 

In this topic, I recognize Trump's suggestion as a 'thought' ... that was probably widespread.  Most people just reject these kinds of ideas because they're not involved in the decisionmaking and the suggestion will either happen or not.  Why Trump is so insecure that he is jealous of the press that a Burning Notre Dame Cathedral is getting is the real question.  I mean why send out a tweet to 60 million Americans if what you say in this instance is totally irrelevant - except in regard your obvious emotional vulnerability of not being at the center of attention.

 

For instance, when viewing the fire at its beginning when there was no water being pumped on the central area of the fire, which seemed kind of small, I had the fleeting thought that an aerial drop of fire suppressant would be a good idea.  I thought a bit more and realized the task of putting water on that structure from the air would be hit  or miss at best and dropped it.  I didn't even get to the point of estimating the damage before rejecting the idea.

 

Still, in replying to this I could see the thinking going like this: 

 

Do the math and convert that water into pounds and then you can visualize  that mass as two fully loaded max-sized semi tractor-trailer rigs crashing into the roof of a 860 year old stone structure at 140 miles per hour. Reminds me of the insurance company ad where the pickup ends up on the roof.

 

Speaking of roof, the way Notre Dame's roof is engineered, with timber rafters covered by a metal roof with a false ceiling blocking access from below, the fires location and intensity was such that the professional firefighters would sacrifice the roof to save the iconic towers and, if possible, the stone walls.  The obvious way to do that would be to keep the parts you want to save not only not on fire, but as cool as possible.  This is what they did and in so doing, saved key architectural aspects of this historic cathedral.

 

I think the understanding of fire fighting I've gotten from reporting is that when a fire gets out of control, it is very hard to contain even with the best men and equipment ... and it can happen most everywhere EXCEPT where you have sprinklers. In the case of Notre Dame, they didn't have sprinkler fire suppression 860 years ago. I suspect when they rebuild the roof of the sanctuary it will either be 100 percent steel or they'll have sprinklers.

 

Beyond that, fire happens ... It is always sad and tragic.  Being a church is no defense from fire; First Baptist in Dallas is an example of that.

 

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 08:03 AM

 

You are the one who is babbling GD.

 

My reading is that if you just choose NOT TO CALL PEOPLE OUT for the most insignificant absurdities, the conversations that you insist on pointing out as nasty, would be otherwise ignored, given little substance or otherwise be handled appropriately.

 

In other words if you were capable of being nice, you wouldn't come across like a whiny little B.

 

In this topic, I recognize Trump's suggestion as a 'thought' ... that was probably widespread.  Most people just reject these kinds of ideas because they're not involved in the decisionmaking and the suggestion will either happen or not.  Why Trump is so insecure that he is jealous of the press that a Burning Notre Dame Cathedral is getting is the real question.  I mean why send out a tweet to 60 million Americans if what you say in this instance is totally irrelevant - except in regard your obvious emotional vulnerability of not being at the center of attention.

 

For instance, when viewing the fire at its beginning when there was no water being pumped on the central area of the fire, which seemed kind of small, I had the fleeting thought that an aerial drop of fire suppressant would be a good idea.  I thought a bit more and realized the task of putting water on that structure from the air would be hit  or miss at best and dropped it.  I didn't even get to the point of estimating the damage before rejecting the idea.

 

Still, in replying to this I could see the thinking going like this: 

 

Do the math and convert that water into pounds and then you can visualize  that mass as two fully loaded max-sized semi tractor-trailer rigs crashing into the roof of a 860 year old stone structure at 140 miles per hour. Reminds me of the insurance company ad where the pickup ends up on the roof.

 

Speaking of roof, the way Notre Dame's roof is engineered, with timber rafters covered by a metal roof with a false ceiling blocking access from below, the fires location and intensity was such that the professional firefighters would sacrifice the roof to save the iconic towers and, if possible, the stone walls.  The obvious way to do that would be to keep the parts you want to save not only not on fire, but as cool as possible.  This is what they did and in so doing, saved key architectural aspects of this historic cathedral.

 

I think the understanding of fire fighting I've gotten from reporting is that when a fire gets out of control, it is very hard to contain even with the best men and equipment ... and it can happen most everywhere EXCEPT where you have sprinklers. In the case of Notre Dame, they didn't have sprinkler fire suppression 860 years ago. I suspect when they rebuild the roof of the sanctuary it will either be 100 percent steel or they'll have sprinklers.

 

Beyond that, fire happens ... It is always sad and tragic.  Being a church is no defense from fire; First Baptist in Dallas is an example of that.

 

pubby

Well, there you go, folks. The owner of this site is also so filled with political hatred that he allows his minions to hijack a thread about a disaster in France by dragging nasty American politics into it.

I direct everyone to what started all this, post #3. It's inappropriate and has no place in this thread. I reported the post long before I commented. Had pubby or his mods done their jobs and stopped that particular poster from throwing his hate for our current president into thread after thread, none of this exchange would have happened. But pubby is just as bad as he is.

BTW, pubby...a flying tanker does not stop mid-air and drop it's entire contents onto a target in one huge dump. The water is let go as the plane is flying at a rapid rate of speed and comes down more like a heavy rain. Regardless of whether or not it wouldn't have been effective in this case, Trump's comment was intended to be helpful. If you didn't allow your hate for him to control you, you would have known that.

This crap reminds me of why I almost never post here anymore.


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 01:39 PM

Post number 3 ,my post was not my words it was a quote from our president, his thoughts and reaction to the fire in Paris. If it was offencive or made you feel uncomfortable your grievance is with Trump not me. I am however sympathetic to notion that bringing light to unthought out crazy suggestions like raking California to prevent wildfires or dumping thousands of pounds of water on an 800 year old cathedral could make his supporters feel embarrassed and ashamed as it does me but pretending he didn't say it is not the solution. 

My mistake was thinking recognizing the reaction of our President to a national tragedy is a normal thing to do evidently sticking our heads in the sand is the order of the day.      

 

The good news is much of structure and it's contents were saved and France has vowed to rebuild.

 

'Worst has been avoided': Notre Dame Cathedral's structure is saved; French president vows to rebuild

 

https://news.yahoo.c...DdfMQRzZWMDc3I-


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 02:52 PM

Post number 3 ,my post was not my words it was a quote from our president, his thoughts and reaction to the fire in Paris. If it was offencive or made you feel uncomfortable your grievance is with Trump not me. I am however sympathetic to notion that bringing light to unthought out crazy suggestions like raking California to prevent wildfires or dumping thousands of pounds of water on an 800 year old cathedral could make his supporters feel embarrassed and ashamed as it does me but pretending he didn't say it is not the solution. 

My mistake was thinking recognizing the reaction of our President to a national tragedy is a normal thing to do evidently sticking our heads in the sand is the order of the day.      

 

The good news is much of structure and it's contents were saved and France has vowed to rebuild.

 

'Worst has been avoided': Notre Dame Cathedral's structure is saved; French president vows to rebuild

 

https://news.yahoo.c...DdfMQRzZWMDc3I-

Point being, it had no place in this thread. You posted it only to bash Trump, and while that might be free game in the political forum, it was inappropriate in this thread and this forum. YOU are the one who drug politics into this. This is pubby's house, not mine, and I have no authority here. But there's no reason why reasonable people can't let you know that it was inappropriate. Even RM stated that she thought Trump's intent was good, just before she went her usual Sybil on me.

I'm sure we're all glad that the Cathedral's structure can be saved. 


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 03:32 PM

GD:

 

First, we're all elated that the damage is repairable/rebuildable.

 

If post #3 was so far off topic, why did you comment on it in the first place. That was my point. All the rest is just whiny hatefulness directed at your neighbors. 

 

My comments, distilled, simply say that you're showing you're as incapable of self-control in your utterances as is our badly flawed president.

 

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PS:  I suppose we all should be happy that Trump didn't just come out and blame Muslim's for the fire.



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Posted 16 April 2019 - 04:43 PM

GD:
 
First, we're all elated that the damage is repairable/rebuildable.
 
If post #3 was so far off topic, why did you comment on it in the first place. That was my point. All the rest is just whiny hatefulness directed at your neighbors. 
 
My comments, distilled, simply say that you're showing you're as incapable of self-control in your utterances as is our badly flawed president.
 
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PS:  I suppose we all should be happy that Trump didn't just come out and blame Muslim's for the fire.


Because I agreed with RM that Trump's intentions were likely honorable.

And I see that you also have to keep taking shots at the man in a thread that shouldn't be political.

It seems that political hate is all you and Cain think about.
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Posted 16 April 2019 - 05:16 PM

Point being, it had no place in this thread. You posted it only to bash Trump,

I'm sure we're all glad that the Cathedral's structure can be saved. 

 

How is a direct quote from Trump considered bashing ? Often during an event like this people look to their president for comfort and guidance . Is it my fault he's an idiot ? 


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 05:51 PM

 

How is a direct quote from Trump considered bashing ? Often during an event like this people look to their president for comfort and guidance . Is it my fault he's an idiot ? 

Because this has nothing to do with Trump or any of our leaders.

It's France

You posted it just to get a dig in on Trump. This thread simply wasn't the time or place, IMO.

However, pubby is taking shots at him in this thread too, and it's his forum, so I reckon you get a pass on it.

No matter, it's his forum to destroy. What's left of it, anyway. Most everyone who's lives aren't dedicated to hating are posting either on Facebook or another forum


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 06:07 PM

Well, kudos to one of the mods. He did respond to my report and split the off-topic relies to a new thread. For what it's worth, I feel that he handled it properly.

Since the crappola above is no longer in the thread about the Cathedral, I have nothing more to add at this point and I will leave the haters to their hating.

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 07:45 PM

Because this has nothing to do with Trump or any of our leaders.

It's France

 You're right this was about France too bad nobody told Trump. 

A bit of unsolicited advice 007, stop being such a whiny little baby for a change.


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 07:59 PM

2 thoughts.
Woods played golf with our President in Feb, our President tweeted about how good Woods played and Woods just won the Masters.
At least President Trump doesnt hold the record for the fewest votes obtained in his Party Primary like at least one of his haters does.

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 08:07 PM

2 thoughts.
Woods played golf with our President in Feb, our President tweeted about how good Woods played and Woods just won the Masters.
At least President Trump doesnt hold the record for the fewest votes obtained in his Party Primary like at least one of his haters does.

 

I heard Trump cheats at golf. He does however hold the record for the most rounds of golf played by an American President while in office. 

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 08:19 PM

I heard Trump cheats at golf. He does however hold the record for the most rounds of golf played by an American President while in office. 
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I wouldn’t know about the cheating. But I would think owning a golf course has 1 thing in common with owning PeeCom, the owner gets to control the game.
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Posted 16 April 2019 - 08:39 PM

 You're right this was about France too bad nobody told Trump. 

A bit of unsolicited advice 007, stop being such a whiny little baby for a change.

You just had to get nasty didn't you?

Not whining. Unlike you, I have respect for people and didn't appreciate it that you drug your hatefulness into a thread about a disaster.

BTW, better back off.


 

 He does however hold the record for the most rounds of golf played by an American President while in office. 

:good:

And yet he's still accomplished more in two years than your boy did in eight.

'Course, you can't see any of that because of all the hate in your soul.


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 09:50 PM


BTW, better back off.

 

I'm shaking in my boots.


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Posted 16 April 2019 - 10:42 PM

You just had to get nasty didn't you?

Not whining. Unlike you, I have respect for people and didn't appreciate it that you drug your hatefulness into a thread about a disaster.

BTW, better back off.


And yet he's still accomplished more in two years than your boy did in eight.

'Course, you can't see any of that because of all the hate in your soul.

 

Respect for other people ... give me a break.

 

Beyond that, the pins and needles that members of the administration are experiencing in the lead up to the release of the incomplete Mueller report is based on Trump's HATRED of those who aren't personally loyal to him. What he is capable of doing in retribution for those who might be identified in the document to be released has these folks scared.

 

Seems workers in this administration are of the opinion that Trump is above the law as the law, you know, makes it a felony to do anything to witnesses.

 

The really funny thing is that AG BARR and Trump have both asserted that the report exonerates the Don with complete vindication ... so why do those closest to him fear his vindictiveness?  

 

Why you guys do the hear, see and speak no evil about this guy is a mystery on the order of why the German people chose to follow an uneducated half-Jew Austrian who served as a corporal in WWI.

 

Maybe it is not such a mystery ... the latter one at least ... as it was Adolf's hatred of his personal heritage coupled with the propagation of massive use of methamphetamine by the public that led to the aberration of the third Reich.

 

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 10:58 PM

 

Respect for other people ... give me a break.

 

Beyond that, the pins and needles that members of the administration are experiencing in the lead up to the release of the incomplete Mueller report is based on Trump's HATRED of those who aren't personally loyal to him. What he is capable of doing in retribution for those who might be identified in the document to be released has these folks scared.

 

Seems workers in this administration are of the opinion that Trump is above the law as the law, you know, makes it a felony to do anything to witnesses.

 

The really funny thing is that AG BARR and Trump have both asserted that the report exonerates the Don with complete vindication ... so why do those closest to him fear his vindictiveness?  

 

Why you guys do the hear, see and speak no evil about this guy is a mystery on the order of why the German people chose to follow an uneducated half-Jew Austrian who served as a corporal in WWI.

 

Maybe it is not such a mystery ... the latter one at least ... as it was Adolf's hatred of his personal heritage coupled with the propagation of massive use of methamphetamine by the public that led to the aberration of the third Reich.

 

pubby 

Adolph? Hahahaha

You'll never give up on believing Trump did something terribly wrong, will you pubby? After two years of the most elite intel agency in the world investigating him and finding nothing of significance. The hate is that strong within you.

The worst part is that you don't even realize that you look like a damn fool to almost everyone most of the dozen or so people who still read your forum.

Seriously, pubster...you've destroyed your business because you put your blind political loyalty to the Democratic Party ahead of the people of this county who used to look to P'Com for fun and information. And now all but a handful are gone.

Of course, you have your new gig, sending out lying political fliers from your 527 group. Apparently that pays the bills better than your dead forum does.


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 05:11 AM



 

Respect for other people ... give me a break.

 

Beyond that, the pins and needles that members of the administration are experiencing in the lead up to the release of the incomplete Mueller report is based on Trump's HATRED of those who aren't personally loyal to him. What he is capable of doing in retribution for those who might be identified in the document to be released has these folks scared.

 

Seems workers in this administration are of the opinion that Trump is above the law as the law, you know, makes it a felony to do anything to witnesses.

 

The really funny thing is that AG BARR and Trump have both asserted that the report exonerates the Don with complete vindication ... so why do those closest to him fear his vindictiveness?  

 

Why you guys do the hear, see and speak no evil about this guy is a mystery on the order of why the German people chose to follow an uneducated half-Jew Austrian who served as a corporal in WWI.

 

Maybe it is not such a mystery ... the latter one at least ... as it was Adolf's hatred of his personal heritage coupled with the propagation of massive use of methamphetamine by the public that led to the aberration of the third Reich.

 

pubby 

 

 

The Mueller report is complete and now the real fun begins...

 

Heads should start rolling in early June... 

 

:rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 03:30 PM

If President Trump knew some of the folks on Pcom, I bet he would wake up every morning and his first thought would be “I Wonder What I Can Do To Tick Off Pubby & His Followers?” But I’m guessing Pcom isn’t on his radar.
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Posted 18 April 2019 - 05:30 PM

I'll simply say that I was once employed by the United States Senate and my institutional loyalty is to the Constitution which establishes the Congress with Article 1.  

 

I can say that the writing and history of AG Barr shows he thinks primacy is lodged in Article II.

 

If you read the constitution, you can see that the Congress - the Article 1 institution - is the first among equals. It can trump both the executive and judiciary through processes contained in the Constitution. It is the PRIMACY of the Congress that makes us a representative democracy.

 

Without Congress or even a weakened Congress - it is plenty weak in many ways already - we become a dictatorship.

 

The process of publicizing the FACTS will soon begin. If Donald Trump is innocent, he has nothing to fear but to suggest the information in the Mueller Report even as redacted exonerates him is highly debatable on the facts.

 

Hell, even if he is not innocent, given the Senate votes to acquit, he's still in the oval.

 

We know that Nancy Pelosi won't even consider impeachment without overwhelming support from the Republican Senate.  So there will likely be some hearings and there may be some other actions in NY that impacts the public debate. But in the end, other than setting the record straight, the choice of whether we effectively choose to abandon the Constitution - and telling Congress it can't do something ends the constitution - we're going to have a cheeze show... and he'll still be in the oval running for re-election unless, as the new imperial president because he disbanded Congress and suspended elections. 

 

In my opinion, this elevation to dictator, is what Trump considers 'winning.' 

 

As far as the news of the day ... Here's a link

 

pubby

 

PS: I've rejected your insinuations that I hate Donald Trump. I don't hate him.  I fear he is the man who ends our Constitutional form of government.


If President Trump knew some of the folks on Pcom, I bet he would wake up every morning and his first thought would be “I Wonder What I Can Do To Tick Off Pubby & His Followers?” But I’m guessing Pcom isn’t on his radar.

 

Do you not grasp the vindictiveness of your post mojo?  On so many levels.

 

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 08:43 PM

From what we know so far from the Muller report if anything keeps him from being indicted on obstruction of justice is that his subordinates refused to carry out his orders.


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 09:00 PM

On the bright side I saw somewhere today that unemployment applications were the lowest they have been since the 60s.
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Posted 18 April 2019 - 09:18 PM

From what we know so far from the Muller report if anything keeps him from being indicted on obstruction of justice is that his subordinates refused to carry out his orders.

You're making a huge assumption Trump gave them orders to collude with the Russians.  What evidence exists to back that up?


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 10:07 PM

You're making a huge assumption Trump gave them orders to collude with the Russians.  What evidence exists to back that up?

 

I didn't say anything about collusion.

 

On the bright side I saw somewhere today that unemployment applications were the lowest they have been since the 60s.
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 Thanks, at least we know when it comes to abandoning the rule of law we know what your your price is .


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 10:10 PM

From what we know so far from the Muller report if anything keeps him from being indicted on obstruction of justice is that his subordinates refused to carry out his orders.

 

You know what worries me most?

 

That Trump will escape this mess by the narrowest margins and loses the election (because the Democrats let him off the hook for impeachment).  Anyway, he resigns before whomever replaces him takes office the next January after making a deal with the VP Mike Pence to pardon him and his family. 

 

And it is not that Trump presumably 'gets away with it' that is the most bothersome.

 

Rather it is what his shenanigans have done to the previously well established roles of the president including acknowledged limits on his power and prudence.  Anyone who has any idea that government should be in real, practical ways limited by tradition and that accept the Bill Barr definition of unquestioned presidential power will likely live to regret their choice.

 

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 10:55 PM

Well, I called that one right.

The faithful smoochers of the donkey butt will do their best to keep the collusion story alive.

Jesus Christ could come back tomorrow and tell us that there was no collusion, and loyal Democrats would claim he's lying.

The sad thing is...most everyone but you guys who worship the donkey god has known all along that there was nothing to this. The news media did too, but it was great for ratings. Everyone is congress knew as well, but beating the drum kept all you good soldiers of hate in lockstep.

pubby - you really are delusional. There is absolutely no basis for impeachment. The Dems didn't let him off, they know that they have no grounds for it. And Pence won't have to pardon Trump because there won't be any need to.

Lastly, Trump will not resign. He will win re-election handily.

Time to stop reading Democratic Underground and look at reality, ole chap.


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Posted 19 April 2019 - 01:50 AM

As stated above, congress is the branch that is first among equals and like them or hate them; they are the 800lb gorilla that occupies the Capitol.

 

The Congress gets its status because it was the national institution that won the Revolutionary war and founded the nation.

 

So, if they want to investigate; they will and there is nothing that DJT, the SCOTUS or the DOJ have legal standing to stop them. 

 

I used to quote that British Conservative PM Winston Churchill often noting that democratic forms of government are the worst imaginable, except for all the others. It is not going to be pretty but that is an essential aspect of democratic forms of government and if you lose that, you lose democratic institutions.

 

It would be like going to the zoning commission meeting as the next door neighbor to a land fill and being told you can't even object to the development. 

 

I think the thing you guys owe us 'doubters' is a read of the Mueller report ... a personal read.  I say this because that document is based on provable fact - i.e. evidence.  The acts were memorialized and established in this time for possible prosecution when DJT is not president and not exempt from prosecution under statutes.  We already know that he has been indicted for participation in an illegal campaign finance felony involving the payoff of Stormy Daniels.

 

Given the two-dozen referrals from Mueller to other prosecutorial offices some of which have sealed indictments we know there are a lot of investigations going on.

 

Then there is trump himself, who is becoming unhinged.  Seriously, he is getting or at least threatening truly bizarre acts like shutting down the southern border; an act that is like throwing wrenches into active gear boxes. The point is that he is threatening the economy with such antics and is probably telegraphing that to favored supporters who can work the moves on the stock market such threats elicit.

 

pubby

 

After 22 months of press reports, which are not EVIDENCE ADMISSIBLE IN A COURT OF LAW, we had at 11 a.m. yesterday morning the first 'facts' in this case and now the yell 'its all fake news' doesn't work anymore.  When facts raise their head, why is it you insist we shut up now that we have real evidence?



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Posted 19 April 2019 - 04:11 AM

(The IG report should be released sometime next month...)

 

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 05:38 AM

 

I didn't say anything about collusion.

 

 

 Thanks, at least we know when it comes to abandoning the rule of law we know what your your price is .

What evidence do you have to support your allegation he ordered his people to do anything illegal?


 

You know what worries me most?

 

That Trump will escape this mess by the narrowest margins and loses the election (because the Democrats let him off the hook for impeachment).  Anyway, he resigns before whomever replaces him takes office the next January after making a deal with the VP Mike Pence to pardon him and his family. 

 

And it is not that Trump presumably 'gets away with it' that is the most bothersome.

 

Rather it is what his shenanigans have done to the previously well established roles of the president including acknowledged limits on his power and prudence.  Anyone who has any idea that government should be in real, practical ways limited by tradition and that accept the Bill Barr definition of unquestioned presidential power will likely live to regret their choice.

 

pubby

What grounds are there to impeach him?


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