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#1 mimosaflower

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Posted 06 January 2019 - 10:49 AM

There will be no Income Tax Refunds during the Government shutdown.
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Posted 06 January 2019 - 12:13 PM

Too much winning ! 


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 12:26 PM

Folks giving the government an interest free loan so they can eagerly anticipate a refund of their own money is the mentality that allowed companies to make money issuing loans on funds that come in two weeks anyway.

You have to plan for politicians punishing the people for their inability to deal with each other now a days.


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 12:43 PM

Folks giving the government an interest free loan so they can eagerly anticipate a refund of their own money is the mentality that allowed companies to make money issuing loans on funds that come in two weeks anyway.
You have to plan for politicians punishing the people for their inability to deal with each other now a days.


Totally agree, but how many times have you seen people here or in your normal life bragging about their tax refund and the vacation they're going to use it for.

The problem this year, and currently, nobody quite knows how the new tax law is going to effect you're average Joe/Joline. Is the IRS going to process your return, the returns for employees who just have a W2, etc.

The gov't shutdown has huge ramifications and ripple effects. Thank God we're not flying anywhere. TSA and Air Traffic Controllers are now doing a sick out.
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Posted 06 January 2019 - 02:27 PM

Need to do away with EIC. What a waste and abuse of tax payers money.
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Posted 06 January 2019 - 02:30 PM

Need to do away with about half the fed govt....at least.


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 08:37 PM

A few days ago Trump said most of the people that have been laid off were all Democrats and he really didn't care they were not being paid, a few days later he said he was getting overwhelming support from the federal workers effected by the shutdown. 

I suspect by next week he will be telling us about a vision from god and how pleased the lord is with his presidency, sad thing is some people will wholeheartedly believe him. 


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 02:20 AM

I believe accommodations are proposed to get the IRS funded as this foolishness goes forward. The house will pass such piecemeal measures but whether the Senate will chip away at the shutdown out of ideological insanity is the question.

 

This whole shutdown is only Trumps effort to play to his base - an example being cptlo's "Need to do away with about half the fed govt....at least."

 

The democrats intransigence in negotiating is in large part payback for trump welching on earlier agreements not only with them but historically, as Donald is notorious for welching on business deals.  That is why he's been sued over 3000 times.

 

Most folks just want the government to work efficiently and effective in its assigned tasks.

 

The difference in politics is the definition of what is efficient and effective.

 

My biggest problem with the right is that their relation to observable, repeatable fact is failing on numerous issues from environment and climate change to economic theory.

 

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 08:03 AM

I believe accommodations are proposed to get the IRS funded as this foolishness goes forward. The house will pass such piecemeal measures but whether the Senate will chip away at the shutdown out of ideological insanity is the question.

 

This whole shutdown is only Trumps effort to play to his base - an example being cptlo's "Need to do away with about half the fed govt....at least."

 

The democrats intransigence in negotiating is in large part payback for trump welching on earlier agreements not only with them but historically, as Donald is notorious for welching on business deals.  That is why he's been sued over 3000 times.

 

Most folks just want the government to work efficiently and effective in its assigned tasks.

 

The difference in politics is the definition of what is efficient and effective.

 

My biggest problem with the right is that their relation to observable, repeatable fact is failing on numerous issues from environment and climate change to economic theory.

 

pubby

Actually it can be said the shutdown is the result of the Democratic Party playing to its base.  After all, they are the ones who refused the funding for the wall, while asking for additional funding to send to Central American countries.


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 10:33 AM

Actually it can be said the shutdown is the result of the Democratic Party playing to its base.  After all, they are the ones who refused the funding for the wall, while asking for additional funding to send to Central American countries.

. Actually its both sides...a tit for a tat and the American people pay for the games of the government..we need a government that works for the people and not a power struggle..

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 11:56 AM

I believe accommodations are proposed to get the IRS funded as this foolishness goes forward. The house will pass such piecemeal measures but whether the Senate will chip away at the shutdown out of ideological insanity is the question.

 

This whole shutdown is only Trumps effort to play to his base - an example being cptlo's "Need to do away with about half the fed govt....at least."

 

The democrats intransigence in negotiating is in large part payback for trump welching on earlier agreements not only with them but historically, as Donald is notorious for welching on business deals.  That is why he's been sued over 3000 times.

 

Most folks just want the government to work efficiently and effective in its assigned tasks.

 

The difference in politics is the definition of what is efficient and effective.

 

My biggest problem with the right is that their relation to observable, repeatable fact is failing on numerous issues from environment and climate change to economic theory.

 

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Has Congress put a 2019 budget on the President's desk yet?


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 02:58 PM

pubby

Has Congress put a 2019 budget on the President's desk yet?

 

Old turkey neck McConnell refuses to bring an bill up for debate that doesn't include Trumps medieval wall. 

 

Actually it can be said the shutdown is the result of the Democratic Party playing to its base.  After all, they are the ones who refused the funding for the wall, while asking for additional funding to send to Central American countries.

 

 You're absolutely correct both sides are playing to their base, at the expense of the American people but make no mistake Trump shut down the government not the democrats.


Edited by CitizenCain, 07 January 2019 - 05:24 PM.

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 03:04 PM

During the Reagan administration, the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and passed immigration reform that called for tougher border security.  The problem afterward was, the Dems never included funding for it in budgets.

 

Why in the hell are Democrats so opposed to border security that will keep people from illegally crossing the border?


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 03:41 PM

pubby

Has Congress put a 2019 budget on the President's desk yet?

 

The federal government does not run on a calendar year budget but a Fiscal Year budget that starts Oct. 1 and runs through Sept. 30th.

 

That means that the 2019 budget is/was the responsibility of the GOP which controlled both houses of congress.

 

This shutdown was not supposed to happen as Trump had 'made a deal' that Mitch McConnell though was so solid (and Schumer as well) that the resolution was passed by voice vote with more than 90 Senators doing the deal with 1.5 billion wall security funding.  The money was set at this rate because the administration had not spent the existing 1.5 billion authorized in 2018 for border security.  I mean if this was an emergency, you'd think they'd have spend some of those funds. 

 

But the reality is Trump is not interested in 'border security' ... he is interested in picking a fight with Congress largely as a diversion against the myriad investigations that are destined to topple his presidency of our constitutional republic.

 

The question is whether we when the dust settles we have a dictator in the form of a president or if we continue to enjoy the benefits of our constitutional republic.

 

My gut, considering your continued support for Donald Trump is that you prefer a dictator with this failure of a president.

 

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 04:52 PM

During the Reagan administration, the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and passed immigration reform that called for tougher border security.  The problem afterward was, the Dems never included funding for it in budgets.

 

Why in the hell are Democrats so opposed to border security that will keep people from illegally crossing the border?

 

Democrats are and have always been supporters of border security they're just not in favor of flushing money down the toilet on projects that do not work. Take this wall for example where a wall made sense, like high population centers walls have already been built Democrats just don't support walls out in middle of the Texas desert or through cattle farmers pasture land.  

Given some of the nonsense Republicans come up with to jack up their radical right wing base I am surprised a wall down the middle of the Rio Grande river hasn't been suggested. 


Edited by CitizenCain, 07 January 2019 - 05:38 PM.

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 05:17 PM

How about we only the build the wall where the border patrol says it is necessary ? ? ?

 

8)


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 05:32 PM

Sorry to disappoint the liberals but the major news sources are reporting tax refunds will go out.
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Posted 07 January 2019 - 05:35 PM

How about we only the build the wall where the border patrol says it is necessary ? ? ?

 

8)

 

Should we ask them now or wait until they start getting a paycheck again ? 

 

It's the 17th day of the shutdown


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 05:38 PM

Sorry to disappoint the liberals but the major news sources are reporting tax refunds will go out.


Not being persnickety at all, could you please post your source?
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Posted 07 January 2019 - 05:50 PM

 

The federal government does not run on a calendar year budget but a Fiscal Year budget that starts Oct. 1 and runs through Sept. 30th.

 

That means that the 2019 budget is/was the responsibility of the GOP which controlled both houses of congress.

 

This shutdown was not supposed to happen as Trump had 'made a deal' that Mitch McConnell though was so solid (and Schumer as well) that the resolution was passed by voice vote with more than 90 Senators doing the deal with 1.5 billion wall security funding.  The money was set at this rate because the administration had not spent the existing 1.5 billion authorized in 2018 for border security.  I mean if this was an emergency, you'd think they'd have spend some of those funds. 

 

But the reality is Trump is not interested in 'border security' ... he is interested in picking a fight with Congress largely as a diversion against the myriad investigations that are destined to topple his presidency of our constitutional republic.

 

The question is whether we when the dust settles we have a dictator in the form of a president or if we continue to enjoy the benefits of our constitutional republic.

 

My gut, considering your continued support for Donald Trump is that you prefer a dictator with this failure of a president.

 

pubby

Regarding your last paragraph, I will never understand why you feel it necessary to throw an ad hominem attack into almost every reply you make. Perhaps because your argument is so week?

If you were as smart as  you think you are, or if you even paid attention; you'd know that I'm neither a Trump supporter nor a Trump hater.  But to you and your merry men, anyone who doesn't hate the man's utter guys must be a Trump supporter.  How sad that you feel the need to think that way!

But thanks for making my point that you can't blame this shutdown on Trump, when he hasn't been given a budget bill to sign. The president does not have the authority to fund the government alone, he can only either sign or veto a bill sent to him by congress.

These pesky facts, they just shot down your blaming Trump for this matter.

BTW...even though the GOP had control of congress prior to Jan 1, they did not have the votes to pass the budget because of all the Democrats and liberal Republicans who opposed things like wall funding. And now the Dems have control of the house, and they are intentionally fighting this.

So sorry, pubster, but the shutdown lies at the feet of the Democrats. And it's 100% political.

 


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 06:35 PM

1. .... you'd know that I'm neither a Trump supporter nor a Trump hater. 

2, ... they did not have the votes to pass the budget because of all the Democrats and liberal Republicans who opposed things like wall funding. And now the Dems have control of the house, and they are intentionally fighting this.

3.  the shutdown lies at the feet of the Democrats. And it's 100% political.

 

 

1.  :rofl:

 

2. How can you say that when Mitch McConnell refused to even bring it up for a debate much less a vote. 

 

3. Trump's own words ....

 

 

* Note the term "border security" is Trump speak for wall. 


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 06:37 PM

 

1.  :rofl:

 

2. How can you say that when Mitch McConnell refused to even bring it up for a debate much less a vote. 

 

3. Trump's own words ....

 

 

* Note the term "border security" is Trump speak for wall. 

I ask again...has congress sent Trump a budget bill to sign?

He can't sign what he doesn't have.


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 06:41 PM

Any hoot, as a worker at a small business I'll be preparing

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 06:51 PM

I ask again...has congress sent Trump a budget bill to sign?

He can't sign what he doesn't have.

 

I'll ask you when is his lackey Mitch McConnell going to bring it up for a vote and lay one on his desk. 

 

 


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 07:06 PM

Not being persnickety at all, could you please post your source?


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 07:32 PM

Tax refunds to go out despite government shutdown

 

https://www.npr.org/...-will-be-issued
 


 

I'll ask you when is his lackey Mitch McConnell going to bring it up for a vote and lay one on his desk. 

 

 

When is Senator Shumer going to vote for it?

When is Pelosi going to send one?

It takes both the House and Senate to approve a bill, ya know.

Now please tell me again how the bad Mr. Trump caused the shutdown.


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 09:24 PM

Tax refunds to go out despite government shutdown


When is Senator Shumer going to vote for it?

When is Pelosi going to send one?

It takes both the House and Senate to approve a bill, ya know.

Now please tell me again how the bad Mr. Trump caused the shutdown.

 

I tried, either your practising tactical stupidity, being willfully ignorant or like Trump and the presidency it's just way over your head. 

 

Here chew on this for awhile.  

 

U.S. troops to be pulled out of Syria quickly, White House says

December 19, 2018

 

U.S. won't pull out of Syria until ISIS is defeated and safety of Kurdish allies assured

Jan 07, 2019

 

https://www.washingt...m=.c4e4c3e4d184

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...srael-1.4968207


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 09:32 PM

 

I tried, either your practising tactical stupidity, being willfully ignorant or like Trump and the presidency it's just way over your head. 

 

Here chew on this for awhile.  

 

U.S. troops to be pulled out of Syria quickly, White House says

December 19, 2018

 

U.S. won't pull out of Syria until ISIS is defeated and safety of Kurdish allies assured

Jan 07, 2019

 

https://www.washingt...m=.c4e4c3e4d184

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...srael-1.4968207

None of which is relevant to this discussion.

Despite your usual (and childish) insults above, I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how a president can magically sign a bill that doesn't get to him.

Come on, Cain, let's hear you explain this one. P'Com Land is waiting...


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Posted 07 January 2019 - 10:16 PM

Sorry to disappoint the liberals but the major news sources are reporting tax refunds will go out.

 

Democrats get tax refunds too, mojo, so it is disingenuous to imply they are disappointed at that news.

 

The real point is that it is Trumps' incompetence and lack of character is  what keeps a deal from happening. It is only because he flipped on a deal he had with McConnell and figured he'd rather fight the Wall issue than his corruption from Russian involvement in his election victory to his own personal criminal behavior in that event.

 

There is no crisis on the border; illegal immigration is down significantly from 2017.The crisis is in the oval office and this whole shutdown is a diversion in which millions of Americans worry about things from getting their tax refunds to the craziness that was starting a trade war with the rest of the world.

 

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 11:18 PM

 

Democrats get tax refunds too, mojo, so it is disingenuous to imply they are disappointed at that news.

 

The real point is that it is Trumps' incompetence and lack of character is  what keeps a deal from happening. It is only because he flipped on a deal he had with McConnell and figured he'd rather fight the Wall issue than his corruption from Russian involvement in his election victory to his own personal criminal behavior in that event.

You mean the mythical Russian involvement and criminal behavior that has yet to be supported with any evidence even after two years of investigations costing millions of dollars?

It seems you believe in the old strategy of telling a lite over and over until people believe it.

 

 

There is no crisis on the border; illegal immigration is down significantly from 2017..

 

pubby

No crises on the border? Tell that to the border patrol that is overwhelmed and regularly attacked by illegals. Tell that to the states who are shelling out billions in benefits to illegals. Tell that the the people who have lost a family member to the hands of illegals.

What galaxy do you live in?

 

 

The crisis is in the oval office and this whole shutdown is a diversion in which millions of Americans worry about things from getting their tax refunds

You mean the shut down that has occurred because Congress has not sent the President a budget bill to sign? I'll ask you the same question I asked Cain: How, exactly, is Trump supposed to sign a bill into law that has never hit his desk?  I'll wait for your answer.

Oh and, we're getting our tax refunds, so you can stop playing that fear tactic.


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Posted 08 January 2019 - 08:08 AM

During the Reagan administration, the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and passed immigration reform that called for tougher border security.  The problem afterward was, the Dems never included funding for it in budgets.

 

Why in the hell are Democrats so opposed to border security that will keep people from illegally crossing the border?

This is  very easily answered, power. The Dems want a lower class totally dependent on government who in the long run will vote for the hand that feeds them with your tax money. Love of country, security or cost  does not enter into the equation. Make no mistake though it is not just the Dems. DJT had a "friendly" congress for two years and could not get the "art of the deal" done. Congress in general wants cheap labor and or dependent lower classes. The only difference is the Dems are so damn hypocritical. The leadership don't give a rats rear about poor migrants. The only ones they come in contact with is their yard help and servants. They care about power and control period.  


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Posted 08 January 2019 - 10:19 AM

 

Democrats are and have always been supporters of border security they're just not in favor of flushing money down the toilet on projects that do not work. Take this wall for example where a wall made sense, like high population centers walls have already been built Democrats just don't support walls out in middle of the Texas desert or through cattle farmers pasture land.  

Given some of the nonsense Republicans come up with to jack up their radical right wing base I am surprised a wall down the middle of the Rio Grande river hasn't been suggested. 

Unfortunately, the Democrats ideas for border security are not very effective.


 

Democrats get tax refunds too, mojo, so it is disingenuous to imply they are disappointed at that news.

 

The real point is that it is Trumps' incompetence and lack of character is  what keeps a deal from happening. It is only because he flipped on a deal he had with McConnell and figured he'd rather fight the Wall issue than his corruption from Russian involvement in his election victory to his own personal criminal behavior in that event.

 

There is no crisis on the border; illegal immigration is down significantly from 2017.The crisis is in the oval office and this whole shutdown is a diversion in which millions of Americans worry about things from getting their tax refunds to the craziness that was starting a trade war with the rest of the world.

 

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Now you worry about character?  You didn't give a damn about Bill Clinton's character while he was president.


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Posted 08 January 2019 - 02:50 PM

 

How, exactly, is Trump supposed to sign a bill into law that has never hit his desk?  

 

 

What's your point ?

 

You know Trump said in the days before he threatened to shut down the government and everyday since he followed through with his threat and shut the government down he would not sign any legislation  that did not include his useless wall. 

 

Senate leader Mitch McConnell has said he would not send Trump another bill that Trump would not agree to beforehand. Trump blindsided him and made a fool of him when Trump backed out at the last minute to honor a deal he had crafted to keep the government open and he will not be made a fool of again.

Democrats have sent proposals to the Senate to reopen the government but McConnell refuses to even consider them until Trump approves in advance. 

 

So the premise your trying to float that the only reason Trump has not signed a bill is because he hasn't been given the opportunity is not only misleading it's out and out ridiculous . 

 

There was a bill in place, McConnell went public assuring the nation their would be no shutdown. Trump backed out at the last moment after the right wing media accused him of being weak, even his favorite show Fox and Friends joined in. His feelings hurt and ego bruised Trump gave in to the likes of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. 

 

Being a fan and follower of this administration maybe you can answer this question, whos incharge of policy and decision making  in Trump's White House ? Trump, his advisors and Cabinet members or is Limbaugh, Hannity  and the Fox network ?  


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Posted 08 January 2019 - 03:32 PM

What's your point ?
 
You know Trump said in the days before he threatened to shut down the government and everyday since he followed through with his threat and shut the government down he would not sign any legislation  that did not include his useless wall. 
 
Senate leader Mitch McConnell has said he would not send Trump another bill that Trump would not agree to beforehand. Trump blindsided him and made a fool of him when Trump backed out at the last minute to honor a deal he had crafted to keep the government open and he will not be made a fool of again.
Democrats have sent proposals to the Senate to reopen the government but McConnell refuses to even consider them until Trump approves in advance. 
 
So the premise your trying to float that the only reason Trump has not signed a bill is because he hasn't been given the opportunity is not only misleading it's out and out ridiculous . 
 
There was a bill in place, McConnell went public assuring the nation their would be no shutdown. Trump backed out at the last moment after the right wing media accused him of being weak, even his favorite show Fox and Friends joined in. His feelings hurt and ego bruised Trump gave in to the likes of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. 
 
Being a fan and follower of this administration maybe you can answer this question, whos incharge of policy and decision making  in Trump's White House ? Trump, his advisors and Cabinet members or is Limbaugh, Hannity  and the Fox network ?


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Posted 08 January 2019 - 07:40 PM

 

 

 

Being a fan and follower of this administration maybe you can answer this question, whos incharge of policy and decision making  in Trump's White House ? Trump, his advisors and Cabinet members or is Limbaugh, Hannity  and the Fox network ?  

Seriously...would you stop with the ad hominems?  IF you don't, I'll end every one of my replies to you with. "being that you have your nose so far up the donkey's butt you can smell what he had for breakfast".

 

All it does is show how week your argument is.

Point being....you keep blaming the shutdown on Trump, when it's congress to blame. They haven't even tried to see if he's bluffing by sending him a bill without the wall in it.

Besides... the shutdown is not nearly as big a deal as you guys make it. Life goes on.

Personally, I think parts of it should stay shut down.


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Posted 08 January 2019 - 07:46 PM

Only 7% of Americans say illegal immigration is not a problem.

Guess we know where pubby and Cain fall.  Right with Pelosi and Chuckie.

 

https://www.washingt...gal-immigratio/


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Posted 09 January 2019 - 06:59 AM

The topic is no longer about the original post. This one is closed. I'm sure everyone will continue the same arguments in a new thread.


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