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#1 Domestic Violence by Proxy

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 07:09 PM

These big gov't actions are unjustified and unwarranted.  Trump's purge of the DOJ will just increase the abuses by the very department Trump claims is incompetent. Scary stuff.

 

"What is particularly chilling about these warrants is that anti-administration political activists are going to have their political associations and views scrutinized by the very administration they are protesting," said ACLU attorney Scott Michelman.

 

 


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 07:29 PM

Now you have a real Witch Hunt .

 

Washington (CNN)Trump administration lawyers are demanding the private account information of potentially thousands of Facebook users in three separate search warrants served on the social media giant, according to court documents obtained by CNN.

The warrants specifically target the accounts of three Facebook users who are described by their attorneys as "anti-administration activists who have spoken out at organized events, and who are generally very critical of this administration's policies."
 

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:36 PM

All of a sudden folks are interested in what the White House has been doing....Where were you two over the last 8 years of the Obama Admin?

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:43 PM

All of a sudden folks are interested in what the White House has been doing....Where were you two over the last 8 years of the Obama Admin?

- Jamie

 

And out come the "what-a- about " diversion. 


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:54 PM

And out come the "what-a- about " diversion.


No it’s not... It’s where the “F” were you during the Obama years. You couldn’t have missed the news stories.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:58 PM

No it’s not... It’s where the “F” were you during the Obama years. You couldn’t have missed the news stories.

- Jamie

 

For example ? 

I sincerely believe if Jackbooted Brownshirt Trump police showed up in your neighborhood some of  you would be shouting what about Obama as your friends and neighbors were dragged out screaming and thrown in patty wagons.  


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:41 PM

All of a sudden folks are interested in what the White House has been doing....Where were you two over the last 8 years of the Obama Admin?

- Jamie


It's OK, Obama is a Democrat.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:50 PM

^^^ and there goes the neighborhood. 


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Posted 10 October 2018 - 12:26 AM

All of a sudden folks are interested in what the White House has been doing....Where were you two over the last 8 years of the Obama Admin?

- Jamie

The persecution of social media geeks is a little different than armed right wing militia's. Your side has a way of creating false comparisons. 

 

The one about Kavanaugh and Emmett Till was extremely offensive. Kavanaugh would never be at risk of being brutally beaten to death or to a larger extent, having the assailants walk away acquitted.


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Posted 10 October 2018 - 08:32 AM

The persecution of social media geeks is a little different than armed right wing militia's. Your side has a way of creating false comparisons. 

 

The one about Kavanaugh and Emmett Till was extremely offensive. Kavanaugh would never be at risk of being brutally beaten to death or to a larger extent, having the assailants walk away acquitted.

 

You responded at 1am so I'll chalk it up to being late, but what in the hell are you talking about?

 

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 08:54 AM

 

You responded at 1am so I'll chalk it up to being late, but what in the hell are you talking about?

 

- Jamie

 

I was wondering the same thing.  


This post is sarcasm.  Unless it's not.

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 08:58 AM

 

For example ? 

I sincerely believe if Jackbooted Brownshirt Trump police showed up in your neighborhood some of  you would be shouting what about Obama as your friends and neighbors were dragged out screaming and thrown in patty wagons.  

 

Off the top of my head... They prosecuted more whistle blowers than all the other administrations combined since George Washington.  Used the FBI to spy on Journalists.  Weaponizing the IRS....

 

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 09:57 AM

Where were we ... saying that kind of crap doesn't need to be happening ... Obama got a great deal of criticism for his attacks on whistle blowers and journalists not to mention the criticism that he got for his use of drones to kill individuals. 

 

The right wing's portrayal of liberals as being unabashedly in love and uncritical of Obama is, well a lie.  That we didn't rush the ramparts or burn him effigy is not to be confused with blind devotion. After all, you guys were doing a great job of burning him in effigy and you would have called us copycats had we started doing so.  I think our muted, behind the scenes criticism and resistance, was probably effective. 

 

Oh, and we start with the knowledge that perfection eludes us all which contrasts with the right which, when confronted with an issue like whoring around by the man, we don't double down on the lie and like Kavanaugh on Fox, claim we were a virgin until age 21 or some such.

 

Reading the full article, we discover that this is really old news as the effort to get this information from a search warrant/subpoena began in February 2017, within weeks of the Trump administration taking 'control' and starting to make their moves on political opponents immediately upon taking office ... as if that was a crime to redress one's government for grievances.  

 

This just shows their purpose in gaining office was to grab power ... and I'm afraid they want to keep it.  It would be better for them if they can just manipulate the election system - game it - but it is also obvious they have no understanding of representative democratic institutions, nations or peoples. 

 

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 11:07 AM

Where were we ... saying that kind of crap doesn't need to be happening ... Obama got a great deal of criticism for his attacks on whistle blowers and journalists not to mention the criticism that he got for his use of drones to kill individuals. 

 

The right wing's portrayal of liberals as being unabashedly in love and uncritical of Obama is, well a lie.  That we didn't rush the ramparts or burn him effigy is not to be confused with blind devotion. After all, you guys were doing a great job of burning him in effigy and you would have called us copycats had we started doing so.  I think our muted, behind the scenes criticism and resistance, was probably effective. 

 

Oh, and we start with the knowledge that perfection eludes us all which contrasts with the right which, when confronted with an issue like whoring around by the man, we don't double down on the lie and like Kavanaugh on Fox, claim we were a virgin until age 21 or some such.

 

Reading the full article, we discover that this is really old news as the effort to get this information from a search warrant/subpoena began in February 2017, within weeks of the Trump administration taking 'control' and starting to make their moves on political opponents immediately upon taking office ... as if that was a crime to redress one's government for grievances.  

 

This just shows their purpose in gaining office was to grab power ... and I'm afraid they want to keep it.  It would be better for them if they can just manipulate the election system - game it - but it is also obvious they have no understanding of representative democratic institutions, nations or peoples. 

 

pubby

 

I'm fairly certain you were the only liberal on this site to even mention the drone attack that killed that american child.  With respect to journalists being spied on, homes raided, and basic 1st amendment rights  infringed upon,  you might have mentioned some concern, but I don't recall seeing anything and I certainly don't believe DVP or CC even blinked.  In politics where voices need to be heard, how are "muted, behind the scenes criticism and resistance,"  effective? 

 

- Jamie


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Posted 10 October 2018 - 01:33 PM

 

Off the top of my head... They prosecuted more whistle blowers than all the other administrations combined since George Washington.  Used the FBI to spy on Journalists.  Weaponizing the IRS....

 

- Jamie

 

So your saying the Eric Snowden, Chelsea Manning's if the world should have what gotten a medal ? Trump is using the DOJ to go after ordinary citizens for the sole crime of opposing his policies. I would think even a die hard Trump Republican would have the sinse to see the difference. 


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Posted 10 October 2018 - 02:22 PM

 

 

Trump is using the DOJ to go after ordinary citizens for the sole crime of opposing his policies. I would think even a die hard Trump Republican would have the sinse to see the difference. 

 

Firstly,  I didn't mention Eric Snowden or Chelsea. 

 

Secondly,  You're making crap up again, Citizen.  If you will slow down and check your bias, you might realize that you can't get a warrant based on merely opposing someone policies.  There has to be something criminal to obtain a warrant.  With respect to Domestic Violence, warrants were filed in February of 2017 and 1 filed in July of 2017.  At that time, only the AG had been terminated.  Comey followed prior to the July warrant request.  

 

Thirdly,  the story is outdated crap.

 

https://www.snopes.c...rump-activists/

 

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 02:32 PM

 

I'm fairly certain you were the only liberal on this site to even mention the drone attack that killed that american child.  With respect to journalists being spied on, homes raided, and basic 1st amendment rights  infringed upon,  you might have mentioned some concern, but I don't recall seeing anything and I certainly don't believe DVP or CC even blinked.  In politics where voices need to be heard, how are "muted, behind the scenes criticism and resistance,"  effective? 

 

- Jamie

 

actually, I was initially supportive of folks like Manning, Snowden, etc. 

 

The thing about obama is that he did go after the leakers but was pretty much hands off to the journalists.  I'm sure some of the blackops and other intelligence entities (not LEO - there is a big difference in both purpose and tactics) would love to find a way into the journalists but  you forget that going back to the beginning of the nation and especially among foreign correspondents, the was sometimes confusion of who exactly some of them were working for. 

 

Then you asked specifically: "In politics where voices need to be heard, how are "muted, behind the scenes criticism and resistance,"  effective? " 

 

First, voices being heard is only one part of the equation and given the explosion of dialog fostered by the internet, plenty of voices are making sounds.

 

One might even point to expert voices; the voices of the scientists and climate modelers who are saying we're running out of time to make the kinds of changes necessary to avert, well, the big killing that promises famine, flooding and the sinking, literally of coastal cities around the world displacing literally billions.  We see thes voices routinely ignored by those on the right who value the extra .2 percent profit they may make from the stocks and bonds this quarter but reason, since they're already 70, they'll be dead before the big killing comes. The only group I see being heard by Trump, who is all about the money, are the evangelicals who equate the short-sighted policies they know will lead to massive destruction, death and misery within a couple of decades with the end times under the belief they are the same thing.  

 

The only problem I have with them is they seem to believe that God, who created the heavens and earth in six days, is no longer capable of doing the end time on his own but rather needs the help of conservative icons like Charles and David Koch and that champion of the world's right wingers, Vlad Putin and others to force the conflict on the notion they're doing Gods' work.   Well yeah, I think they are trying to do God's work and I think he might be getting a bit pissed at their effort as in so doing, they're doing the exact opposite of what Jesus taught. 

 

I recall the famous quote of Ben Franklin, who coined it as he left Independence Hall after the constitutional convention.  A woman passerby asked Dr. Franklin, "Well Doctor, what have we got - a republic or a monarchy?"
 

"A republic if you can keep it," replied Franklin.

 

My personal opinion is we need to do a lot more work to keep our Republic and the so-called Republicans are not doing much to help.

 

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Posted 10 October 2018 - 02:41 PM

 

actually, I was initially supportive of folks like Manning, Snowden, etc. 

 

The thing about obama is that he did go after the leakers but was pretty much hands off to the journalists.  I'm sure some of the blackops and other intelligence entities (not LEO - there is a big difference in both purpose and tactics) would love to find a way into the journalists but  you forget that going back to the beginning of the nation and especially among foreign correspondents, the was sometimes confusion of who exactly some of them were working for. 

 

Then you asked specifically: "In politics where voices need to be heard, how are "muted, behind the scenes criticism and resistance,"  effective? " 

 

First, voices being heard is only one part of the equation and given the explosion of dialog fostered by the internet, plenty of voices are making sounds.

 

One might even point to expert voices; the voices of the scientists and climate modelers who are saying we're running out of time to make the kinds of changes necessary to avert, well, the big killing that promises famine, flooding and the sinking, literally of coastal cities around the world displacing literally billions.  We see thes voices routinely ignored by those on the right who value the extra .2 percent profit they may make from the stocks and bonds this quarter but reason, since they're already 70, they'll be dead before the big killing comes. The only group I see being heard by Trump, who is all about the money, are the evangelicals who equate the short-sighted policies they know will lead to massive destruction, death and misery within a couple of decades with the end times under the belief they are the same thing.  

 

The only problem I have with them is they seem to believe that God, who created the heavens and earth in six days, is no longer capable of doing the end time on his own but rather needs the help of conservative icons like Charles and David Koch and that champion of the world's right wingers, Vlad Putin and others to force the conflict on the notion they're doing Gods' work.   Well yeah, I think they are trying to do God's work and I think he might be getting a bit pissed at their effort as in so doing, they're doing the exact opposite of what Jesus taught. 

 

I recall the famous quote of Ben Franklin, who coined it as he left Independence Hall after the constitutional convention.  A woman passerby asked Dr. Franklin, "Well Doctor, what have we got - a republic or a monarchy?"
 

"A republic if you can keep it," replied Franklin.

 

My personal opinion is we need to do a lot more work to keep our Republic and the so-called Republicans are not doing much to help.

 

pubby

 

 

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 01:17 AM

Actually, I've been pretty much on topic for the past three years ... i.e. that Donald Trump is the wrong guy and a danger to America's representative democracy.  I really wish you guys could see that I don't hate him and I don't fear him ... well, anymore than I fear your everyday truck up who would swerve into my lane at 70 mph for whatever reason (drunk, high on oxy, just mean or just stupid). 

 

What most of you don't know is that when it comes to seeing things that need to be changed, I'm not at all averse to change that recognizes, as its core principle, the idea that good government is the goal.  My problem is not that belief - I think it is a broadly sought goal by folks of all political persuasions.  

 

See, for me, good government is not defined by some arbitrary expectation of size but rather the contribution it makes toward creating that 'more perfect union.'   I see the Trumpian goal as being 'small government' ... the creation of a government so small and weak ... that not only could it be drowned in a bathtub, but that it is incapable of holding to account those in society who have so many assets, they can avoid any accountability.   To pull an instance from the headlines, I think this administration may have gone too far in its involvement in the likely death of Jamal Khashoggi, the Saudi national living in the US and working as an international journalist who may have been killed over his criticisms of the Saudi prince. 

 

This is obviously a developing story but we do know that there in signals intelligence we captured that shows the Saudi government at the direction of the prince was planning to kidnap the journalist.  We also know that Jared Kushner and the prince converse in private channels outside the protocols established in our traditional government that emphasizes transparency.  We also know that since we had the information of the plot to kidnap, our established protocols require our government inform those who may be the target of such illegal acts by a foreign government.  That Khashoggi went to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul consumed, not with the chance he might be kidnapped, but walking on air as he sought documents that would allow him to marry his Turkish sweetheart.  It is raising questions about the impunity of the Saudi prince and whether he thinks he can get away with such acts because he's buds with Kushner and Trump .

 

Before you say, BS ... know that the Senate Foreign Relations committee has  in a unanimous vote sent a letter to Trump that forces the administration to investigate the incident under provisions of the Magnitsky Act - that act that Putin particularly hates.

 

But it is on the accountability issue that I find Trump's administration lacking on the most basic level ... it is because he sees international relations as being founded, not on mutual interest of peoples but on the whims of the leadership which goes through life making deals here and there including more than a few that are self-dealing wins.

 

The main way we avoided the monarchy portion of that lady's question to Ben Franklin, is we instictively recognized that presidents come and go - meaning personality is fleeting and is only incidental to the task of running a government. 

 

pubby 

 

Here's a question for my conservative friends.   Since you were so big on testing kids to determine the efficacy of public schooling, what do you think of t he idea we create objective tests of things like societal efficiency for not only the government to meet but for private enterprise ... and make it so those in private enterprise who meet real criteria of progress can enjoy tax savings not available to less effective businesses and individuals.   



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Posted 11 October 2018 - 10:57 AM

 

You responded at 1am so I'll chalk it up to being late, but what in the hell are you talking about?

 

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 11:10 AM

PUI


Are you actually saying that Pubby was drunk when he posted his response?

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 11:22 AM

Are you actually saying that Pubby was drunk when he posted his response?

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It wasn't pubby's post I was referring to.


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 11:30 AM

PUI


Just to clarify what point you were trying to make what post were you referring to and what does PUI mean?
"There comes a time in your life, when you walk away from all the drama and people who create it. You surround yourself with people who make you laugh. Forget the bad, and focus on the good. Love the people who treat you right, pray for the ones who don't. Life is too short to be anything but happy. Falling down is a part of life, getting back up is living."

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 11:57 AM

Just to clarify what point you were trying to make what post were you referring to and what does PUI mean?

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 12:14 PM

PUI would explain many posts on here.


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 12:14 PM

Just to clarify what point you were trying to make what post were you referring to and what does PUI mean?

 

Because one he's an A hole, two he's starved for attention and third above all he must be the center of attention.


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 12:44 PM

I am not required to explain things to you.


Let me assure you, I could care less. I was just curious who you were accusing of being a drunk this time around.
"There comes a time in your life, when you walk away from all the drama and people who create it. You surround yourself with people who make you laugh. Forget the bad, and focus on the good. Love the people who treat you right, pray for the ones who don't. Life is too short to be anything but happy. Falling down is a part of life, getting back up is living."

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 12:46 PM

Let me assure you, I could care less. I was just curious who you were accusing of being a drunk this time around.

It's "couldn't care less". And I suspect that there are several here who would qualify, but I won't go into details.


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 06:27 PM

It's "couldn't care less". And I suspect that there are several here who would qualify, but I won't go into details.

 

What Guard Dad is trying to say is...

 

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 06:46 PM

 

What Guard Dad is trying to say is...

 

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Have you made a single post that is on topic in the last week?


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 06:51 PM

 

 

Have you made a single post that is on topic in the last week?

 

If you didn't have to spend all your time making excuses for Trump and being Guard Dad's wet nurse you would know .


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 06:55 PM

Good grief!


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 06:56 PM

 

If you didn't have to spend all your time making excuses for Trump and being Guard Dad's wet nurse you would know .

 

Man....you are worse than TP at this point and that is saying something.


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 07:05 PM

 

Man....you are worse than TP at this point and that is saying something.

 

Truth hurts ? 


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