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#1 CitizenCain

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 04:45 AM

It looks like Democrats might once again be called upon to save America's auto industry. 

 

 

This car is the poster child for Trump’s trade folly

 

In 2016, Ford decided to move production of the Focus — the best-selling car in the world not so long ago — from Michigan to Mexico, to lower production costs and try to make a profit on a low-margin vehicle. The Michigan plant would produce higher-profit SUVs instead...

 

In 2017, Ford changed its plans again and decided to move Focus production from Mexico to China, where it had a plant that could handle the task.

Moving the Focus to China would save as much as $1 billion in retooling costs and allow Ford to ship a new, SUV-like version called the Focus Active from China to the United States....

 

But with the Focus Active now subject to Trump’s 25% tariff on imports from China, Ford has decided to give up on selling the Focus in the United States completely. The factory in China will still produce the Focus for Asian markets, and another Focus factory in Germany will produce the car for sale in Europe. But Americans won’t be able to get the once-popular model, except on the used market.

 

Trump, it’s worth recalling, fancies himself a business leader with insights into free enterprise that his predecessors in the White House lacked. Yet his trade policies violate the basic logic of profit and loss. And much worse seems to be coming, with Trump set to impose another set of tariffs on $200 billion worth of Chinese imports — four times the amount he has tariffed so far.

 

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 05:33 AM

I'm sure I am wrong...but I thought I heard (dont remember where) that Ford was going to discontinue all car production and focus strictly on the SUV and truck industry to become more competitive.



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Posted 11 September 2018 - 06:24 AM

I'm sure I am wrong...but I thought I heard (dont remember where) that Ford was going to discontinue all car production and focus strictly on the SUV and truck industry to become more competitive.

 

Until recently Ford had planned on keeping the Mustang and Fusion.

 

https://www.motor1.c...lling-off-cars/


Edited by CitizenCain, 11 September 2018 - 06:30 AM.

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 07:06 AM

so I don't get it - did Ford make a business decision to stop selling a low performing car in the US or did tariffs kill it?


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Posted 11 September 2018 - 08:41 AM

Tariff's killed it but if you ask me, Ford is expecting the tariff situation to reverse and either the Chinese sourced or German sourced Focus will be imported here.  They could make greater profits making the larger SUVs at their factories here.

 

After all, tariffs are so 19th century as are tariffs champion -  DJT.

 

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 09:35 AM

Not long ago, the Democrats on this forum were railing against the outsourcing and companies taking their manufacturing to other countries.

Now you're pissed because someone took at stand on it to encourage business to keep jobs here.

Can you get any more hypocritical?

As for the Focus....both Ford and the media is spinning this into something it's not. Ford had been warned not to take their manufacturing elsewhere, they knew Trump wanted to keep jobs here. Ford got greedy and thumbed their nose at the United States, and now they are paying the price. They were making the cars here and it was selling well, but they wanted to try and squeeze more profits out of it at the expense of American jobs.

And all this hoopla after Ford announcing their intent to make only trucks and SUVs.

So yeah,, this is yet another case of Trump haters spinning the issue to attack him. And Cain is still linking yahoo as it it was a real news source. Of course, he wouldn't be interested in any articles that don't feed his hatred and bitterness.

So this thread is nothing but another

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 01:22 PM

Not long ago, the Democrats on this forum were railing against the outsourcing and companies taking their manufacturing to other countries.

Now you're pissed because someone took at stand on it to encourage business to keep jobs here.

Can you get any more hypocritical?

  

 

I don't understand why you would suggest that only Democrats should be against the offshoring of millions of American jobs.  Are you saying everyone else thinks it was somehow beneficial to this country?  Or is it exactly what it appears to be - a lame attempt to make it a partisan issue?

 

So much for your claim that you are above all that - not that some of us didn't already know better, but still maybe best to check yourself before you start pointing out the faults of others.  


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Posted 13 September 2018 - 02:29 PM

 

I don't understand why you would suggest that only Democrats should be against the offshoring of millions of American jobs.  Are you saying everyone else thinks it was somehow beneficial to this country?  Or is it exactly what it appears to be - a lame attempt to make it a partisan issue?

 

So much for your claim that you are above all that - not that some of us didn't already know better, but still maybe best to check yourself before you start pointing out the faults of others.  

Where did I state that ONLY Democrats were opposed to outsourcing?

My statement was to show their double standards.


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Posted 13 September 2018 - 05:09 PM

Where did I state that ONLY Democrats were opposed to outsourcing?

My statement was to show their double standards.

 

Your statement was just another in your neverending Trump apology campaign. 


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Posted 13 September 2018 - 05:33 PM

 

Your statement was just another in your neverending Trump apology campaign. 

Shucks, you say that about everyone who doesn't have a seething hatred for the man.


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Posted 13 September 2018 - 06:02 PM

Shucks, you say that about everyone who doesn't have a seething hatred for the man.

 

I have never made a secret that I consider Trump a low life, a man with no redeeming characteristics, the kind of man that anyone with an ounce of character would strive not to be. I see little difference between you Trump and anyone else that would defend him .


Edited by CitizenCain, 13 September 2018 - 06:28 PM.

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 07:01 PM

 
I have never made a secret that I consider Trump a low life, a man with no redeeming characteristics, the kind of man that anyone with an ounce of character would strive not to be. I see little difference between you Trump and anyone else that would defend him .


You're on quite a nasty roll tonight. If I posted this stuff I'd get banned.
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Posted 13 September 2018 - 07:42 PM

You're on quite a nasty roll tonight. If I posted this stuff I'd get banned.

 

Always the victim right DH ? 


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Posted 13 September 2018 - 07:45 PM

 

Always the victim right DH ? 

If I was playing a victim I would have reported you.

Instead, I just quote you for posterity and let people see how badly you lose it when you're hitting the sauce.


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Posted 13 September 2018 - 07:50 PM

If I was playing a victim I would have reported you.

Instead, I just quote you for posterity and let people see how badly you lose it when you're hitting the sauce.

 

Ive got your sauce right here in my BVD's little man


Edited by CitizenCain, 13 September 2018 - 07:56 PM.

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 07:57 PM

 

Ive got your sauce right here in my BVD's little man

"Little man"

Hahahahaha. I love it when you make a fool of yourself on here.


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Posted 13 September 2018 - 08:14 PM

"Little man"

Hahahahaha. I love it when you make a fool of yourself on here.

 

Little man, man being a figurative of speech, Little boy might be more accurate. 


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Posted 13 September 2018 - 08:18 PM

You must be hitting the Cracklin Rosie tonight (Not the Neil Diamond song, look it up)

I'm going to refrain somewhat and not fall to your level.


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:18 PM

Not long ago, the Democrats on this forum were railing against the outsourcing and companies taking their manufacturing to other countries.

Now you're pissed because someone took at stand on it to encourage business to keep jobs here.

Can you get any more hypocritical?

As for the Focus....both Ford and the media is spinning this into something it's not. Ford had been warned not to take their manufacturing elsewhere, they knew Trump wanted to keep jobs here. Ford got greedy and thumbed their nose at the United States, and now they are paying the price. They were making the cars here and it was selling well, but they wanted to try and squeeze more profits out of it at the expense of American jobs.

And all this hoopla after Ford announcing their intent to make only trucks and SUVs.

So yeah,, this is yet another case of Trump haters spinning the issue to attack him. And Cain is still linking yahoo as it it was a real news source. Of course, he wouldn't be interested in any articles that don't feed his hatred and bitterness.

So this thread is nothing but another

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Let's see who is being duplicitous.

 

Ford, wanting to be efficient and fulfill the duty of corporate entities to maximize the profit for their stockholders is greedy.

 

But Trump, in describing Paul Manafort (who had at that time been convicted of money laundering and tax evasion - both felony's)  isn't greedy but "a good man.'   Of course we all know that will change now that he has flipped on Trump.

 

Indeed, I don't think I could count the number of times you defended greed on the part of the business and corporate class saying use of that term was nothing more than 'envy' by poor democrats who are pissed when they discover that major corporations showing billions in profits get tax refunds also totaling in the billions.

 

But now, because you're being led around by the ring in your nose, you're eager to slap Ford with the pejorative of being greedy when it is simply organizing its manufacturing in the most efficient manner.   I mean, you rail against government regulation but cheer the arbitrary bloviations without legal process as somehow worthy of engraving in stone.

 

What is most hypocritical, though, is that you accuse others of hypocrisy.  What did the Bible say about how upset some get at specks in the eyes of others while being totally oblivious to the planks in their own eyes.

 

I honestly don't know how you can see or say anything.  Then I realized you don't say anything; you just attack anyone who is critical of your 'chief' ... I guess that is what you call Trump as leader of the tribe ... and project your failings on others unjustly.  silence on your part would be an improvement.

 

 

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:27 PM

Let's see who is being duplicitous.

 

Ford, wanting to be efficient and fulfill the duty of corporate entities to maximize the profit for their stockholders is greedy.

 

But Trump, in describing Paul Manafort (who had at that time been convicted of money laundering and tax evasion - both felony's)  isn't greedy but "a good man.'   Of course we all know that will change now that he has flipped on Trump.

 

Indeed, I don't think I could count the number of times you defended greed on the part of the business and corporate class saying use of that term was nothing more than 'envy' by poor democrats who are pissed when they discover that major corporations showing billions in profits get tax refunds also totaling in the billions.

 

But now, because you're being led around by the ring in your nose, you're eager to slap Ford with the pejorative of being greedy when it is simply organizing its manufacturing in the most efficient manner.   I mean, you rail against government regulation but cheer the arbitrary bloviations without legal process as somehow worthy of engraving in stone.

 

What is most hypocritical, though, is that you accuse others of hypocrisy.  What did the Bible say about how upset some get at specks in the eyes of others while being totally oblivious to the planks in their own eyes.

 

I honestly don't know how you can see or say anything.  Then I realized you don't say anything; you just attack anyone who is critical of your 'chief' ... I guess that is what you call Trump as leader of the tribe ... and project your failings on others unjustly.  silence on your part would be an improvement.

 

 

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If there was a Democrat in the White House, you'd be railing against Ford and calling them an evil corporation who cares more about money than people.

Yet again, it's all about partisan politics to you.


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:34 PM

And pubby

Regarding me attacking anyone...I don't want to hear about it as long as people like Cain, COWA, and RM are allowed to spew their seething character assasinations on this board. Oh and, add yourself to that list. As long as you and your lib buddies are allowed to get away with it scott free, you do not have the moral authority to chastize anyone else.
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:35 PM

pubby

If there was a Democrat in the White House, you'd be railing against Ford and calling them an evil corporation who cares more about money than people.

Yet again, it's all about partisan politics to you.

 

There you go attacking and projecting again.  It really is a broken record stuck on the groove that says "I hate" blip. "I hate" blip, "I hate" blip ...

 

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:40 PM

 
There you go attacking and projecting again.  It really is a broken record stuck on the groove that says "I hate" blip. "I hate" blip, "I hate" blip ...
 
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You call that an attack? Pretty mild compared to your posts.
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:46 PM

You call that an attack? Pretty mild compared to your posts.

 

You always were a weak puncher.

 

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 04:00 PM

 

You always were a weak puncher.

 

pubby

Actually, pubby, I've been holding back a lot. I am absolutely capable of leaving a trail of scorching Earth is my wake, but being nasty is not my true nature. And, people like Cain have gotten so extreme in their hate and anger, I figure it might be better to let them run with it some so all will see what today's Democratic Party really is. You guys really are your worst enemy.


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 04:08 PM

And pubby

Regarding me attacking anyone...I don't want to hear about it as long as people like Cain, COWA, and RM are allowed to spew their seething character assasinations on this board. Oh and, add yourself to that list. As long as you and your lib buddies are allowed to get away with it scott free, you do not have the moral authority to chastize anyone else.

 

Were you an only child or just mama's special little boy ? 

 

People only attack you in self defense.I tried for a week to ignore you insults, stop playing the victim youre not even close.  


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 04:14 PM

 
Were you an only child or just mama's special little boy ? 
 
People only attack you in self defense.I tried for a week to ignore you insults, stop playing the victim youre not even close.  


Anyone who can read can see that this is not true.

And stop with the victim stuff. You're the one that's been doing all the crying on here. All your posts about Trump are based on your belief that he is hurting you. Do I need to post a picture of a doll so you can show us where the bad president hurt you?
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 04:30 PM

Anyone who can read can see that this is not true.

And stop with the victim stuff. You're the one that's been doing all the crying on here. All your posts about Trump are based on your belief that he is hurting you. Do I need to post a picture of a doll so you can show us where the bad president hurt you?

 

You got problems dude, serious psychological problems. 


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 04:45 PM

 
You got problems dude, serious psychological problems. 


See what I mean? You are the one slinging the character assasination stuff. And while pubby watches and lets you get away with it.
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 04:53 PM

See what I mean? You are the one slinging the character assasination stuff. And while pubby watches and lets you get away with it.

 

My fear is that you may be a danger to yourself and others, that you could snap at any time. I implore you to get help, if not for your own well being then for those around you.


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 05:47 PM

 
My fear is that you may be a danger to yourself and others, that you could snap at any time. I implore you to get help, if not for your own well being then for those around you.


You're just making a fool of yourself.

Remember how many people here know me.
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:31 PM

You're just making a fool of yourself.

Remember how many people here know me.

 

I hope those that know you are concerned enough about your mental illness to help you get the counseling that you so obviously need. 

 

My thoughts and prayers are with you.


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:36 PM

Well, Cain

You must have nothing else left when you have to resort to lies and character assassination.

That's fine, everyone is seeing who and what you really are.


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:40 PM

Well, Cain

You must have nothing else left when you have to resort to lies and character assassination.

That's fine, everyone is seeing who and what you really are.

 

Just one human being concerned about another fellow human being. 


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:44 PM

Evening, Cain. It's date night and I have better things to do than read your stuff.


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Posted 18 September 2018 - 10:26 PM

I am thinking the tariffs are actually a good thing.  I feel we needed to do "something".  We need jobs here. And I think, that if Ford really wanted to, they could figure out a way to make them here.  And aren't most cars made mostly by machines and robots now anyway?    


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Posted 18 September 2018 - 10:30 PM

I am thinking the tariffs are actually a good thing.  I feel we needed to do "something".  We need jobs here. And I think, that if Ford really wanted to, they could figure out a way to make them here.  And aren't most cars made mostly by machines and robots now anyway?    

The tariffs are risky and they go against the conventional thinking. Time will tell whether or not they work.

But I'm with you, it's way overdue that we stand up to our trading partners and stop letting them give us a raw deal.


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Posted 19 September 2018 - 02:23 AM

The tariffs are risky and they go against the conventional thinking. Time will tell whether or not they work.

But I'm with you, it's way overdue that we stand up to our trading partners and stop letting them give us a raw deal.

 

Trump is coming across like Bob Hope's brother, No Hope.  Even you admit there is significant risk in pursuing this not only unconventional but arguably ill-advised policies.

 

Heck, even if it works for three or four industries, there is nothing that guarantees these policies won't be disastrous for other industries.

 

For example, you do know that the bulk of the world's antibiotics are manufactured in China- something like 95 percent of the world supply of penicillin - not US supply - but world supply  is sourced from China.  The administration says that folks in the medical industry will just source the drug from Germany or another country ... which would buy it from China and then add their profit on top of the price, pocket that profit and still sell below the tariff-increased price.

 

Of course the other thing about tariffs is they are taxes and guess who gets to pay these taxes?  Really, GD, answer that question.  Who pays tariffs we impose on imported goods?

 

BTW:  Cohen, Trump's economic advisor before he left the administration, said Trump is stupid because he doesn't realize that the US, as the country whose currency is the medium of trade = the world's reserve currency - gives us the advantage because the trade deficits we incur are actually 'big piles' of greenbacks in foreign treasuries.  That means we're trading pieces of paper for South Korean cars not made in the US (KIA builds here) ... same for Mercedes-Benz, Toyotas, Nissans, BMW's etc. - at least the one's made there, not here.

 

The thing that bothers me most, though is the distortions in the market caused by tariff's.  Sure we have plenty of dirty coal but oth er t han keeping old, obsolete coal plants running to generate electricity, what Trump's tariff's have done to the solar PV market is rather remarkably, just slowing the dramatic growth in PV solar generation. (The life-system cost solar are currently still lower per KWh for PV than the long term cost at present values for coal, gas or nuclear and while nuclear doesn't have the externalized costs of coal or natural gas, the energy costs associated with those fuel sources don't include the additional costs of climate change.)

 

Of course you would like a world where the only source of power for electricity come from carbon emitting coal, oil, gas because, well, you want to truck up the environment so much it ends up killing a few billion people.

 

Bottom line, all I'm seeing is an effort to maximize chaos and disruption whether in markets through tariffs or in international relations through the trashing of established agreements and treaties. 

 

Humpty Dumpty, sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall and all the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

 

What trump is doing to the institutions of the United States is creating chaos and disruption and anyone with a conservative core would suspect if he breaks it, he has no possible way to put it back together again ... and being the dick he is, he's trying his best to break it. He has said so.

 

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 08:52 AM

 

Trump is coming across like Bob Hope's brother, No Hope.  Even you admit there is significant risk in pursuing this not only unconventional but arguably ill-advised policies.

 

Heck, even if it works for three or four industries, there is nothing that guarantees these policies won't be disastrous for other industries.

 

For example, you do know that the bulk of the world's antibiotics are manufactured in China- something like 95 percent of the world supply of penicillin - not US supply - but world supply  is sourced from China.  The administration says that folks in the medical industry will just source the drug from Germany or another country ... which would buy it from China and then add their profit on top of the price, pocket that profit and still sell below the tariff-increased price.

 

Of course the other thing about tariffs is they are taxes and guess who gets to pay these taxes?  Really, GD, answer that question.  Who pays tariffs we impose on imported goods?

 

BTW:  Cohen, Trump's economic advisor before he left the administration, said Trump is stupid because he doesn't realize that the US, as the country whose currency is the medium of trade = the world's reserve currency - gives us the advantage because the trade deficits we incur are actually 'big piles' of greenbacks in foreign treasuries.  That means we're trading pieces of paper for South Korean cars not made in the US (KIA builds here) ... same for Mercedes-Benz, Toyotas, Nissans, BMW's etc. - at least the one's made there, not here.

 

The thing that bothers me most, though is the distortions in the market caused by tariff's.  Sure we have plenty of dirty coal but oth er t han keeping old, obsolete coal plants running to generate electricity, what Trump's tariff's have done to the solar PV market is rather remarkably, just slowing the dramatic growth in PV solar generation. (The life-system cost solar are currently still lower per KWh for PV than the long term cost at present values for coal, gas or nuclear and while nuclear doesn't have the externalized costs of coal or natural gas, the energy costs associated with those fuel sources don't include the additional costs of climate change.)

 

Of course you would like a world where the only source of power for electricity come from carbon emitting coal, oil, gas because, well, you want to truck up the environment so much it ends up killing a few billion people.

 

Bottom line, all I'm seeing is an effort to maximize chaos and disruption whether in markets through tariffs or in international relations through the trashing of established agreements and treaties. 

 

Humpty Dumpty, sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall and all the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

 

What trump is doing to the institutions of the United States is creating chaos and disruption and anyone with a conservative core would suspect if he breaks it, he has no possible way to put it back together again ... and being the dick he is, he's trying his best to break it. He has said so.

 

pubby

Serious question, pubby

With all the built-up rage you harbor, how can you possibly take an objective look at anything?

Your post above is mainly a lot of random stuff, but it reads as I HATE HIM, I HATE HIM, I HATE HIM!

You poor, tormented soul.


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Posted 19 September 2018 - 10:05 AM

GD:

 

Wrong reading.  I'm curious if you are ever going to get woke to challenge of this time ...See, you seem content to wallow in your easy chair, your favorite piece of steel nestled in your hand as you take a few sips and relish the revenge you and others expect to exact on infidels and other heathens.

 

So keep throwing out disparaging remarks at everyone who is concerned with the direction of the country.  You'll say, as you always do, that you're right, they're wrong and, after all, they're not special like you so they really don't even count. 

 

Heap on some more of your BS; flip through your bank book and never give the thoughts and concerns of others another another moment.  Hell, your posting history tells us you think we don't count anyway.

 

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