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#1 Captain Rhett Butler

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 07:45 PM

House Republicans say probe found no evidence of collusion between Trump, Russia

https://www.reuters....a-idUSKCN1GO2S1

 

 


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 08:18 PM

Well, of course they don't. And this means what?

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 09:04 PM

Serious question for the Democrats:

Why do you think Trump colluded with the Ruskies, other than because the party loyals (like pubby) and the lying ratings driven media said he did?


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 10:46 PM

Serious question for the Democrats:

Why do you think Trump colluded with the Ruskies, other than because the party loyals (like pubby) and the lying ratings driven media said he did?


I'm an American. I've voted for both parties depending who I thought was the better person and what's best for my country,

Sorry, this guy not so much.
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Posted 12 March 2018 - 11:30 PM

I'm an American. I've voted for both parties depending who I thought was the better person and what's best for my country,

Sorry, this guy not so much.

My question was not really about whether or not you like "this guy".

 

What real evidence led you to believe he colluded with the Russians?


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 04:16 AM

My question was not really about whether or not you like "this guy".

 

What real evidence led you to believe he colluded with the Russians?

 

That's what the process of discovery does. It finds real evidence if you are seriously looking for it. Do you think Trump is concerned about Mueller's investigation because there was nothing there. Why  doesn't Trump just testify under oath if there is nothing there? Do you think Mueller is an individual who would waste his time and taxpayer dollars?


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 08:16 AM

The House intel committee is made up of members from both sides of the aisle.  

 

Your whining about alleged partisanship is baseless,  but not unexpected.


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I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 08:25 AM

The House intel committee is made up of members from both sides of the aisle.  

 

Your whining about alleged partisanship is baseless,  but not unexpected.

 

Not exactly, dogs.  House intel committee is split down the party line as to how to read the intel.  Republicans are saying no proof of collusion.... move along.  Democrats are saying no proof of collusion, but there is enough questions to keep looking.  The House report is really a elephant and donkey show.  

 

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"I have always tried to [tell the truth], but the Russians made me do it."  - Hillary Clinton

 

 

 


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 08:36 AM

Rex Tillerson warns Russia about British chemical attack, next day Trump fires Rex Tillerson. 

 

https://www.yahoo.co...topstories.html


Edited by CitizenCain, 13 March 2018 - 08:37 AM.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 08:40 AM

Rex Tillerson warns Russia about British chemical attack, next day Trump fires Rex Tillerson. 

 

https://www.yahoo.co...topstories.html

If it's on Yahoo, then it must be true...said no one, ever. 


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 08:42 AM

Rex Tillerson warns Russia about British chemical attack, next day Trump fires Rex Tillerson. 

 

https://www.yahoo.co...topstories.html

 

Wow!  Gina Haspel is the first woman to serve as Director of the CIA. Making history! Thanks for posting.

 

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"I have always tried to [tell the truth], but the Russians made me do it."  - Hillary Clinton

 

 

 


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 08:45 AM

If it's on Yahoo, then it must be true...said no one, ever. 

 

Yea probably fake news, we'll have to wait to see what Fox News has to say ....oh wait.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/

 

http://www.foxnews.c...rom-russia.html


Edited by CitizenCain, 13 March 2018 - 08:48 AM.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 08:47 AM

My question was not really about whether or not you like "this guy".

 

What real evidence led you to believe he colluded with the Russians?

 

What real evidence? 

 

You mean besides the bromance that Trump has for Putin that is so odd that it approaches the queer.

 

 Or is the issue not a bromance but compromising material that Putin has on Trump that is keeping him, say silent, when the Russians exposed the public in London to a new, hypertoxic nerve agent and you're so beholden you are afraid to say cheese.

 

For instance, even on the lawn before departing in a helicopter this morning, Trump said he was waiting on the facts before he condemns Russia for the nerve gas murder in London ... I'm sure it will be like the Russian involvement in the election, i.e. he'll say, "I talked with Putin and he denies it and I believe him."

 

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:15 AM

 

What real evidence? 

 

You mean besides the bromance that Trump has for Putin that is so odd that it approaches the queer.

 

 Or is the issue not a bromance but compromising material that Putin has on Trump that is keeping him, say silent, when the Russians exposed the public in London to a new, hypertoxic nerve agent and you're so beholden you are afraid to say cheese.

 

For instance, even on the lawn before departing in a helicopter this morning, Trump said he was waiting on the facts before he condemns Russia for the nerve gas murder in London ... I'm sure it will be like the Russian involvement in the election, i.e. he'll say, "I talked with Putin and he denies it and I believe him."

 

pubby

 

What fantasy land do you live in?

 

putin and Trump have met exactly once..in Vietnam at a SE Asia economic conference after he became POTUS.

 

Bromance?   

 

Don't let the facts ever get in the way of another of your "spins".   


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I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:25 AM

 

Not exactly, dogs.  House intel committee is split down the party line as to how to read the intel.  Republicans are saying no proof of collusion.... move along.  Democrats are saying no proof of collusion, but there is enough questions to keep looking.  The House report is really a elephant and donkey show.  

 

- Jamie

 

As I inferred,  the Intel committe said "NO PROOF OF COLLUSION"  The Dims want to keep "looking"...which is another way to buy time to manufacture more "evidence" that will cost the American taxpayer more millions $$ and will be disproved, but bring up another round of "evidence",  ad nauseum.    All one has to do to know this is a political fraud is to see how much time the Pubster spends blathering about Putin and a "bromance".   


Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:32 AM

 

That's what the process of discovery does. It finds real evidence if you are seriously looking for it. Do you think Trump is concerned about Mueller's investigation because there was nothing there. Why  doesn't Trump just testify under oath if there is nothing there? Do you think Mueller is an individual who would waste his time and taxpayer dollars?

Evidence that is apparently not there and has never been there.

But that hasn't stopped the left from convicting the man in the court of public opinion.


 

What real evidence? 

 

You mean besides the bromance that Trump has for Putin that is so odd that it approaches the queer.

 

 Or is the issue not a bromance but compromising material that Putin has on Trump that is keeping him, say silent, when the Russians exposed the public in London to a new, hypertoxic nerve agent and you're so beholden you are afraid to say cheese.

 

For instance, even on the lawn before departing in a helicopter this morning, Trump said he was waiting on the facts before he condemns Russia for the nerve gas murder in London ... I'm sure it will be like the Russian involvement in the election, i.e. he'll say, "I talked with Putin and he denies it and I believe him."

 

pubby

Thanks for making my point.

There is no real evidence, you just hate the man so you make up stuff to slam him.

You still can't accept that your chosen one lost. And Hillary can't accept it either! She's been on foreign soil lately, slamming our president and our country, and stirring the race pot. She should be ashamed of herself, you should be ashamed of her, and you should be ashamed of yourself.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:47 AM

Evidence that is apparently not there and has never been there.
But that hasn't stopped the left from convicting the man in the court of public opinion.
Thanks for making my point.
There is no real evidence, you just hate the man so you make up stuff to slam him.
You still can't accept that your chosen one lost. And Hillary can't accept it either! She's been on foreign soil lately, slamming our president and our country, and stirring the race pot. She should be ashamed of herself, you should be ashamed of her, and you should be ashamed of yourself.


Saying that Democrats don't do well with married white women voters is not stirring the race pot. It's statistics.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:53 AM

Saying that Democrats don't do well with married white women voters is not stirring the race pot. It's statistics.

In the right discussion, yes.

But she said it while on foreign soil and being asked why she lost. She blamed her loss on white people yet again and called Trump names.

Remember when the Dixie Chicks bashed Bush while on foreign soil? That's kind of breaking an unwritten rule. When an American is in another country, they should not bash their own country or it's leaders. It's OK to talk about problems we have and offer positive solutions to them; but it's not cool to tear your own country down. Your patriotism should trump (no pun intended) your party connections.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:57 AM

In the right discussion, yes.

But she said it while on foreign soil and being asked why she lost. She blamed her loss on white people yet again and called Trump names.

Remember when the Dixie Chicks bashed Bush while on foreign soil? That's kind of breaking an unwritten rule. When an American is in another country, they should not bash their own country or it's leaders. It's OK to talk about problems we have and offer positive solutions to them; but it's not cool to tear your own country down. Your patriotism should trump (no pun intended) your party connections.

 

Why does any decision of race make you so uncomfortable ? And where were you last night around 2 am ?

 

http://www.wsbtv.com...s-say/714911343


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:11 AM

Saying that Democrats don't do well with married white women voters is not stirring the race pot. It's statistics.

Saying that those women only voted for Trump because their husband's told them to... is straight up sexist.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:23 AM

 

Why does any decision of race make you so uncomfortable ? And where were you last night around 2 am ?

 

http://www.wsbtv.com...s-say/714911343

Where was I? Sorry to disappoint you, but I was home in bed.  Nice try at stirring the pot though.

There are times and places where we need to discuss race. But I would hope such discussions to be positive and with the intention of bettering us all.

I have no use for conversations that stir the pot, divide or pit one race against another. I believe as Dr. Kind did that we should look past the color of one's skin and see each other as brothers and sisters of humanity.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:30 AM

Back to the original question. Why do people think Trump's guilty ? Because he acts like he is. It took him over a year to even admit the Russians "may have" interfered in the election, he refuses to criticize the Russians and he has taken no steps to stop the interference in future elections, The Russians have sent mercenaries to attack American troops in Syria, used toxic poison to kill people on our allies soil and he remains silent, just as he accused Obama of not being able to say "Islamist terrorist' seems incapable of saying 'Russia' when it comes to their atrocities.  


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:39 AM

Back to the original question. Why do people think Trump's guilty ? Because he acts like he is. It took him over a year to even admit the Russians "may have" interfered in the election, he refuses to criticize the Russians and he has taken no steps to stop the interference in future elections, The Russians have sent mercenaries to attack American troops in Syria, used toxic poison to kill people on our allies soil and he remains silent, just as he accused Obama of not being able to say "Islamist terrorist' seems incapable of saying 'Russia' when it comes to their atrocities.  

Translation:

"I want him to be guilty, so I see what I want to see".


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:45 AM

Back to the original question. Why do people think Trump's guilty ? Because he acts like he is. It took him over a year to even admit the Russians "may have" interfered in the election, he refuses to criticize the Russians and he has taken no steps to stop the interference in future elections, The Russians have sent mercenaries to attack American troops in Syria, used toxic poison to kill people on our allies soil and he remains silent, just as he accused Obama of not being able to say "Islamist terrorist' seems incapable of saying 'Russia' when it comes to their atrocities.

Woefully uninformed...
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:03 AM

Translation:

"I want him to be guilty, so I see what I want to see".

 

Translation

 

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:32 AM

Translation:

"I want him to be guilty, so I see what I want to see".

 

You actually want him to be innocent, so you put the blinders on. If this were Obama, your blinders would be collecting dust somewhere.

 

If there is nothing to see why not open the investigation? Why continually create stumbling blocks and obstacles? If there is nothing to see why not show his taxes? He has nothing to hide, right? Isn't that what the right always says?

 

Clearly Trump has plenty to hide or he wouldn't spend so much time lying.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:55 AM

 

You actually want him to be innocent, so you put the blinders on. If this were Obama, your blinders would be collecting dust somewhere.

 

If there is nothing to see why not open the investigation? Why continually create stumbling blocks and obstacles? If there is nothing to see why not show his taxes? He has nothing to hide, right? Isn't that what the right always says?

I don't wish for him to be either innocent or guilty.  Why? I don't hate the man like you guys do. I have my issues with him, but I don't hate the man. And I'm still thankful...not so much that he won but that he defeated Hillary. She would have been disastrous for our country.

 

I don't buy into the media and partisan hate propaganda. There's simply nothing of substance that has come out to implicate Trump. If a smoking gun comes out, I will give it due consideration.
 

 

Clearly Trump has plenty to hide or he wouldn't spend so much time lying.

How many politicians does this NOT apply to?


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 12:07 PM

I don't wish for him to be either innocent or guilty.  Why? I don't hate the man like you guys do. I have my issues with him, but I don't hate the man. And I'm still thankful...not so much that he won but that he defeated Hillary. She would have been disastrous for our country.
 
I don't buy into the media and partisan hate propaganda. There's simply nothing of substance that has come out to implicate Trump. If a smoking gun comes out, I will give it due consideration.


 
When did I say i hoped he would be guilty? I hope he is innocent. I will always defend transparency over secrecy. More harm than good usually comes from secrecy. "Sunlight is the best disinfectant"
 
I don't buy the Faux News and partisan love. Secrecy at any cost is the "smoking gun". That and willful ignorance on the part of the right.

 

How many politicians does this NOT apply to?


Trump is a business man and not a politician. Isn't that why the right voted for him? Because he's not just another politician? So you are admitting that he is just another politician?


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 12:25 PM

 

 

 

Clearly Trump has plenty to hide or he wouldn't spend so much time lying.

 

 

Well....let's expose the situation for what it REALLY is.

 

The Liberal Left makes up some nonsensical scenario and declares it as "truth".

 

Trump has 2 choices.   One, to ignore the BS.   Or, two, to state the truth and blow the Loonies' story up.

 

If he ignores the stupidity,  he's "hiding something".

 

If he responds, he's "lying".   Because, you know,  we know the "facts"...we ought to, we made them up.  

 

Did I pretty well expose your leftist agenda?   


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Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 01:07 PM

 

Wow!  Gina Haspel is the first woman to serve as Director of the CIA. Making history! Thanks for posting.

 

- Jamie

 

The conservative's will love her, she's right up their alley.

 

Gina Haspel, Trump’s CIA Pick, Ran a Laboratory for Torture

 

https://www.thedaily...ory-for-torture

 

 

WASHINGTON — As a clandestine officer at the Central Intelligence Agency in 2002, Gina Haspel oversaw the torture of two terrorism suspects and later took part in an order to destroy videotapes documenting their brutal interrogations at a secret prison in Thailand.

 

https://www.nytimes....e-thailand.html


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 01:21 PM

 

The conservative's will love her, she's right up their alley.

 

 

 

And she has more testosterone in her little finger than you wimpy loser leftists ever had. 


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Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 01:24 PM

 


 


Trump is a business man and not a politician. Isn't that why the right voted for him? Because he's not just another politician? So you are admitting that he is just another politician?

I've always maintained that Trump is a politician.


 

The conservative's will love her, she's right up their alley.

 

Gina Haspel, Trump’s CIA Pick, Ran a Laboratory for Torture

 

https://www.thedaily...ory-for-torture

 

 

WASHINGTON — As a clandestine officer at the Central Intelligence Agency in 2002, Gina Haspel oversaw the torture of two terrorism suspects and later took part in an order to destroy videotapes documenting their brutal interrogations at a secret prison in Thailand.

 

https://www.nytimes....e-thailand.html

The intel business is not for panty waists.

She seems to be well qualified.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 04:20 PM

Tillerson replacement , Mike Pompeo, another stooge of the Koch brothers. 

 

The Koch Brothers Get Their Very Own Secretary of State

 

Trump’s pick to replace Rex Tillerson is an errand boy for billionaires.

 

https://www.thenatio...etary-of-state/

 


according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a bipartisan research group that tracks the effect of lobbying on elections and policy, Pompeo has received more money from Koch interests than any other House member. In just four election cycles (2010, 2012, 2014, 2016), he received the following: $335,000 from Koch Industries employees, which includes $92,000 from the Koch family; $69,000 from the Koch Industries PAC; $417,175 from Americans for Prosperity, an advocacy group funded by the Kochs; and $87,532 from other organizations with substantial funding by the Koch brothers.

 

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#34 Glassdogs

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 04:38 PM

Better the Koch brothers than George Soros.  


Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 05:12 PM

TRUMP WHITE HOUSE.

 

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 08:41 PM

Tillerson replacement , Mike Pompeo, another stooge of the Koch brothers. 

 

The Koch Brothers Get Their Very Own Secretary of State

 

Trump’s pick to replace Rex Tillerson is an errand boy for billionaires.

 

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according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a bipartisan research group that tracks the effect of lobbying on elections and policy, Pompeo has received more money from Koch interests than any other House member. In just four election cycles (2010, 2012, 2014, 2016), he received the following: $335,000 from Koch Industries employees, which includes $92,000 from the Koch family; $69,000 from the Koch Industries PAC; $417,175 from Americans for Prosperity, an advocacy group funded by the Kochs; and $87,532 from other organizations with substantial funding by the Koch brothers.

 

 

 

Just a bit biased, wouldn't you say?

 

 

John NicholsTwitterJohn Nichols is The Nation’s national-affairs correspondent. He is the author of Horsemen of the Trumpocalypse: A Field Guide to the Most Dangerous People in America,

 

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Oh, yahoo. As fake as fake news gets.
 


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 08:59 PM

In the right discussion, yes.

But she said it while on foreign soil and being asked why she lost. She blamed her loss on white people yet again and called Trump names.

Remember when the Dixie Chicks bashed Bush while on foreign soil? That's kind of breaking an unwritten rule. When an American is in another country, they should not bash their own country or it's leaders. It's OK to talk about problems we have and offer positive solutions to them; but it's not cool to tear your own country down. Your patriotism should trump (no pun intended) your party connections.

 

Yeah, but you forgot Pussy Riot ... Putin locked 'em up; literally put a couple of the band in prison for a year. 

 

Where was I? Sorry to disappoint you, but I was home in bed.  Nice try at stirring the pot though.

There are times and places where we need to discuss race. But I would hope such discussions to be positive and with the intention of bettering us all.

I have no use for conversations that stir the pot, divide or pit one race against another. I believe as Dr. Kind did that we should look past the color of one's skin and see each other as brothers and sisters of humanity.

 

 

I don't wish for him to be either innocent or guilty.  Why? I don't hate the man like you guys do. I have my issues with him, but I don't hate the man. And I'm still thankful...not so much that he won but that he defeated Hillary. She would have been disastrous for our country.

 

I don't buy into the media and partisan hate propaganda. There's simply nothing of substance that has come out to implicate Trump. If a smoking gun comes out, I will give it due consideration.
 

How many politicians does this NOT apply to?

 

I want to point out that no matter how hard you try, the case against trump is not one of hatred or racism by his detractors. 

 

The only source of hatred in all of this is the well documented hatred that exists among a portion of his 'base' ... those who define themselves as white nationalists, neo-nazis, skinheads and klansmen.  As most Americans find the hatred expressed by these groups disgusting and deplorable, that Donald Trump does his best to keep them in his base makes him different ... than most of us. 

 

Since the source of most of the hatred of those "white nationalists" is racism, that is really the only source of racism in this at all. 

 

I think what you mistakenly say is hatred and racism directed at Trump is really deserved indignation that the reins of power have been grasped by one who caters to those who champion hatred and racism. 

 

In fact in your responses, I find something totally hilarious and that is that you " don't buy into the media and partisan hate propaganda. There's simply nothing of substance that has come out to implicate Hillary. If a smoking gun comes out, I will give it due consideration."  I actually do say the exact same thing about Hillary ... but Hillary is not president but if it hadn't been for a thirty year war of defamation against her conducted (by the right), she'd had easily won.

 

But the point is, after that 30 year assault  on her character, don't tell me that I hate Trump.  For literally 65 of my 67 years, I thought he was simply a brash ass hat that I did my best not to pollute my life with.  With folks like you and dogs, Hillary has been the focus of white-hot hatred for the majority of your adulthood.

 

Still, back to trump.  I look at this whole situation kind of like I was riding in a car with a drunk driver.   I want to survive so I want to change driver.  You could think of it in terms of asylums with inmates in charge, or even whimsically, children following the pied piper.  None of those are really hateful figures but they do represent a critical need for change in leadership.

 

So understand it is not hatred of Trump when CC says he is acting guilty.  Rather the concern is that his acting guilty means he is doing the bidding of, if not acting like the animated puppet of Vladimire Putin.  It is uncanny how in so many little and big things, he goes out of his way to recognize and act on the wishes of Putin in even the simplest circumstances. 

 

Electing trump president was like electing a psychotic arsonist fire chief. 

 

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:26 PM

 

But the point is, after that 30 year assault  on her character, don't tell me that I hate Trump.  For literally 65 of my 67 years, I thought he was simply a brash ass hat that I did my best not to pollute my life with.  With folks like you and dogs, Hillary has been the focus of white-hot hatred for the majority of your adulthood.

 


 

 


 

 

 

 

  

Hillary has little character. She is a vile and hateful person.

 

I want to point out that no matter how hard you try, the case against trump is not one of hatred or racism by his detractors.

You can point it out all you want, you're still wrong.

 

 

 

The only source of hatred in all of this is the well documented hatred that exists among a portion of his 'base' ... those who define themselves as white nationalists, neo-nazis, skinheads and klansmen.  As most Americans find the hatred expressed by these groups disgusting and deplorable, that Donald Trump does his best to keep them in his base makes him different ... than most of us.

Play that race card, pubby. Play it like the good little partisan you are.

 

 

Since the source of most of the hatred of those "white nationalists" is racism, that is really the only source of racism in this at all.

Ahhh, more race card. You just can't help yourself, can you?

 

 

In fact in your responses, I find something totally hilarious and that is that you " don't buy into the media and partisan hate propaganda. There's simply nothing of substance that has come out to implicate Hillary. If a smoking gun comes out, I will give it due consideration."  I actually do say the exact same thing about Hillary ... but Hillary is not president but if it hadn't been for a thirty year war of defamation against her conducted (by the right), she'd had easily won.

There is tons of evidence against her, and she is still under investigation. She is as corrupt as they come. Many Democrats can't stand her either. Even her hack Comey said she broke the law in the email scandal.

As for her losing the election...she was a horrible and unpopular candidate. She probably would have lost the primary had she not cheated. And she would have lost badly in the general election if Trump wouldn't have also been so unpopular. Had the GOP ran someone likeable, Hillary would have gotten creamed.

 

 

But the point is, after that 30 year assault  on her character, don't tell me that I hate Trump.  For literally 65 of my 67 years, I thought he was simply a brash ass hat that I did my best not to pollute my life with.  With folks like you and dogs, Hillary has been the focus of white-hot hatred for the majority of your adulthood.

 

Yeah, you hate the guy. You and Cain and many others here hate him.  And most of it started about the time he became a serious thread to your chosen one. I watched it happen, lost of people saw it.

 

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:31 AM

Hillary has little character. She is a vile and hateful person.

You can point it out all you want, you're still wrong.

 

 

Play that race card, pubby. Play it like the good little partisan you are.

 

Ahhh, more race card. You just can't help yourself, can you?

 

There is tons of evidence against her, and she is still under investigation. She is as corrupt as they come. Many Democrats can't stand her either. Even her hack Comey said she broke the law in the email scandal.

As for her losing the election...she was a horrible and unpopular candidate. She probably would have lost the primary had she not cheated. And she would have lost badly in the general election if Trump wouldn't have also been so unpopular. Had the GOP ran someone likeable, Hillary would have gotten creamed.

 

Yeah, you hate the guy. You and Cain and many others here hate him.  And most of it started about the time he became a serious thread to your chosen one. I watched it happen, lost of people saw it.

You sure you want to sign that nonsense?

 

A fair reading of your retort would have you calling me a racist because I repudiate the klan, neo-nazis and assorted other white nationalists.  You have to know that is nonsense.

 

I do note that the Pennsylvania 18th apparently elected a Democrat to Congress which has hundreds of republican congressmen shaking in their boots as this district, as drawn, had delivered a 20+ margin for Trump and was considered very safe.  There are like 110 Republican-held congressional districts nationwide that had smaller victory margins than PA-18. 

 

Bottom line, I don't hate Donald Trump I'd just rather someone else drive the bus.  Why?  Because, deep down, we all know we are in this together.

 

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 06:39 AM

The topic of discussion is Trump. The democrats lost the election and have blamed their loss on the Russians. If they democrats had nominated Michelle Obama, I suspect they'd have won.  The democrats underestimated just how much mainstream voters hated Hillary Clinton. 

 

So instead of trying to fix where they goofed up, they demand investigation after investigations. Enough already.  There's nothing there. Move along. 


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