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#41 Rocky's Mom

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 02:03 PM

And banning certain weapons will work just as well as how making drugs illegal has gotten them off the street.
Now that we agree, can we please start to address some real solutions? And demand that our elected officials do the same?
It should work at least as well as outlawing drugs has.


A buy back program of assault type guns would be a viable real solution. As would not making these guns available to the general public.
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Posted 28 February 2018 - 02:05 PM

A buy back program of assault type guns would be a viable real solution. As would not making these guns available to the general public.

Honest question

Do  you think criminals and nut cases will willingly turn their guns over to the government? The real effect would be disarming law-abiding citizens.

But you are still not addressing the fact that these "assault type" weapons are no more dangerous than semi-automatic deer rifles. Why can you not understand this?


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Posted 28 February 2018 - 02:15 PM

Totally different culture.

We all need to realize that we have cultural problems here. Too many groups fighting with each other.

And most of it is caused by politics.

 

Different culture ? B.S  Obviously you didn't see "Quigley Down Under".  <_<

 


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Posted 28 February 2018 - 02:34 PM

Honest question
Do  you think criminals and nut cases will willingly turn their guns over to the government? The real effect would be disarming law-abiding citizens.
But you are still not addressing the fact that these "assault type" weapons are no more dangerous than semi-automatic deer rifles. Why can you not understand this?

I never said that criminals and nut cases will willingly turn over their guns to the government. What I referenced was a buy back program on assault type guns. Disarming law abiding citizens is not a factor in this argument, because, again, no one wants to take away your right to bear arms. It doesn't matter how many times you post that the left wants to take away your guns either because that is simply not the case. Why can't you understand this? What the left wants is common sense restriction on assault type rifles.

Until such time that there are clear definitions and guidelines on assault type guns, it does not make sense to debate what exact guns should have restrictions. I would like to see a restriction based on the amount of rounds because I think that is a common sense starting point.

How many semi-automatic deer rifles have been used in these school massacres?
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Posted 28 February 2018 - 02:34 PM

Fake News. Dick's has not sold "assault rifles" since Sandy Hook six years ago. Field & Stream an affiliate of Dick's will no longer sell "assault rifles". Typical leftist spin.
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Posted 28 February 2018 - 03:01 PM

Fake News. Dick's has not sold "assault rifles" since Sandy Hook six years ago. Field & Stream an affiliate of Dick's will no longer sell "assault rifles". Typical leftist spin.

Not getting into this debate ... there are no winners except those that do not die by these situations .....

 

but GMA had CEO with announcement ...  do not know if new or not, but he went live on TV with the story and announcement.

http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=53403284


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Posted 28 February 2018 - 03:14 PM

Fake News. Dick's has not sold "assault rifles" since Sandy Hook six years ago. Field & Stream an affiliate of Dick's will no longer sell "assault rifles". Typical leftist spin.


Typical leftist spin? The CEO of Dicks makes an announcement and the left spins the information? Not the way it went down at all.

Can you post a link that confirms what you posted in post #45?
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Posted 28 February 2018 - 03:19 PM

Stonewall, I did find where Dicks stopped selling these guns after Sandy hook. But it was lifted. The left had nothing to do with it, then or now.

https://www.usatoday...last/381385002/
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Posted 28 February 2018 - 03:41 PM

I tend to agree. We could ban large magazines, but will that stop the underground market from manufacturing them? Nope.

So once again, we have no solution and things stay the same.


This looks like a military weapon, so we simply must ban it!!!



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BTW, it's a squirt gun.

May be so if kids like Tamir Rice or any other Black kid who's holding squirt gun gets shot to death by a police officer that thinks it looks real enough.


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Posted 28 February 2018 - 03:46 PM

Now would be the time to buy ar-15's and put away, because if they quit selling them the price

will go up and you could make a good profit.


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Posted 28 February 2018 - 04:12 PM

Stonewall, I did find where Dicks stopped selling these guns after Sandy hook. But it was lifted. The left had nothing to do with it, then or now.

https://www.usatoday...last/381385002/


My point is that it is old news. Dick's reacted to Sandy Hook the same way. Their "moral" stand had exactly zero effect on gun sales. The mainstream media is extremely left leaning and bias. Other parts of the media are right winged biased but the old school networks are absolutely leftists spin doctors. The left makes up the majority of the anti-gun bunch so yes it is a left vs. right thing.

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 04:20 PM

My point is that it is old news. Dick's reacted to Sandy Hook the same way. Their "moral" stand had exactly zero effect on gun sales. The mainstream media is extremely left leaning and bias. Other parts of the media are right winged biased but the old school networks are absolutely leftists spin doctors. The left makes up the majority of the anti-gun bunch so yes it is a left vs. right thing.


Of course it's a right/left thing. But unless you are saying that the CEO of Dicks is a liberal and is choosing this route as some kind of political grandstanding, I don't see how this situation is spin by the left.
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Posted 28 February 2018 - 04:38 PM

May be so if kids like Tamir Rice or any other Black kid who's holding squirt gun gets shot to death by a police officer that thinks it looks real enough.

 

If they are dumb enough to point a gun, squirt or not, at a LEO...oh, well.   The gene pool needed cleaning anyway. 


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I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:25 PM

 

If they are dumb enough to point a gun, squirt or not, at a LEO...oh, well.   The gene pool needed cleaning anyway. 

 

You're talking about kids who probably don't think LEOs would believe they have a real gun.

 

More LEOs are killed by white supremacists and sovereign citizens than 12 year old black kids. Would you say the Alt Right is cleaning up the LEO gene pool?


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Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:59 PM

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 10:22 PM

Deputy:

 

I think it is important to  point out that use of language in a quoted topic, if it is the offending bit, can cause not only the offensive post to be hidden, but all replies containing the offensive comment in a quote.

 

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 10:37 PM

I just found out that Field and Stream, who is owned by Dicks, has sold AR-15s all along and still is.

So much for Dicks following their convictions. They're just riding the wave of emotion.


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Posted 28 February 2018 - 10:45 PM

 

If they are dumb enough to point a gun, squirt or not, at a LEO...oh, well.   The gene pool needed cleaning anyway. 

 

 

Twelve year old Tamir Rice was shot and killed 2 seconds after the police arrived on the scene, I doubt he had time to blink an eye. 

 

https://www.nytimes....ext-to-him.html


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Posted 28 February 2018 - 10:48 PM

I never said that criminals and nut cases will willingly turn over their guns to the government. What I referenced was a buy back program on assault type guns. Disarming law abiding citizens is not a factor in this argument, because, again, no one wants to take away your right to bear arms. It doesn't matter how many times you post that the left wants to take away your guns either because that is simply not the case. Why can't you understand this? What the left wants is common sense restriction on assault type rifles.

Until such time that there are clear definitions and guidelines on assault type guns, it does not make sense to debate what exact guns should have restrictions. I would like to see a restriction based on the amount of rounds because I think that is a common sense starting point.

How many semi-automatic deer rifles have been used in these school massacres?

My post clearly went right over your head.


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Posted 28 February 2018 - 11:28 PM

My post clearly went right over your head.

 

Your posts goes over the head of anyone with a brain, G DI They just can't comprehend nonsense.   


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Posted 28 February 2018 - 11:47 PM

 

Your posts goes over the head of anyone with a brain, G DI They just can't comprehend nonsense.   

You're really not the best one here to make such a statement.


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 12:31 AM

You're really not the best one here to make such a statement.

 

 

I don't think it matters who makes the statement I made, G D! It's true and when something is true people need to know. It's the lies you tell that people don't need to know about.  :pardon:


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 01:37 PM

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 12:03 AM

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 06:13 AM

 

No one on the left claims that there is a single solution the problem is if any solution involves gun ownership and the right starts screaming "they want my guns".  

 

 

 

How long do you think it would take to kill 17 kids with a knife or 58 concert goers from the tenth floor of a hotel with a handgun ?

 

 

The only "solution" I have heard from you and the left is to ban "assault" weapons."   That's all the left has proposed. 

When it comes to mental health care, pubby is blaming the right for opposing Obamacare.  News flash, Obamacare didn't do a damn thing for the Florida shooter.  No parent or legal guardian did a damn thing to get that kid mental health care.  Parents need to be responsible in recognizing their child has mental issues and get them help.  As far as adults with mental issues; they need to recognize they have a problem.  How many know an adult with mental problems, but that person doesn't think there is anything wrong?  How are they going to get treatment?

Cptlo is correct; take away "assault" rifles and the mentally ill who want to kill will use another means to do it, so guns are not the real issue here.

 


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Posted 02 March 2018 - 09:39 AM

The only "solution" I have heard from you and the left is to ban "assault" weapons."   That's all the left has proposed. 
When it comes to mental health care, pubby is blaming the right for opposing Obamacare.  News flash, Obamacare didn't do a damn thing for the Florida shooter.  No parent or legal guardian did a damn thing to get that kid mental health care.  Parents need to be responsible in recognizing their child has mental issues and get them help.  As far as adults with mental issues; they need to recognize they have a problem.  How many know an adult with mental problems, but that person doesn't think there is anything wrong?  How are they going to get treatment?
Cptlo is correct; take away "assault" rifles and the mentally ill who want to kill will use another means to do it, so guns are not the real issue here.


So mental health is the "real" issue here? How about bringing forth the "real" issue which is allowing the general public access to these guns? What purpose do they serve the general public?
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 10:41 AM

RM here is the issue as I see it. I do not trust the government to ban any constitutional right at any level. SCOTUS has ruled that gun ownership is a Constitutional Right (Scalia wrote the opinion). I will meet half way and show I am trying to be objective by stating I am not really sure any citizen needs an "assault rifle" (military style semi-auto M4, AR, AK, etc.). In full disclosure I will state I may or may not have access to these very weapons. I am also OK with an age restriction on certain firearms (21 yo). My quandary is if the government starts with these rifles where will they stop? Tell me one example of government common sense or self control? Between myself ,family and friends there may or may not be access to an arsenal that would make anti-gunners cower in the corner convulsing in fetal position. None of us have ever shot anyone (out of the line of duty), threatened anyone, destroyed property, poached wild life or ever had any gun related charge. The guns we may or may not possess have never went out on their own and shot up a school. Make no mistake if guns were outlawed only outlaws would have guns. Heroin, weed, crack, meth are all illegal but used in epidemic proportions by criminals and addicts. I would like have faith in the govt. to regulate certain things using good judgment but I do not have that faith.
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 10:48 AM

2 shot at Central Michigan University, suspect at large: Police

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 11:00 AM

 

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 11:02 AM

So mental health is the "real" issue here? How about bringing forth the "real" issue which is allowing the general public access to these guns? What purpose do they serve the general public?

 

The only "solution" I have heard from you and the left is to ban "assault" weapons."   That's all the left has proposed. 

When it comes to mental health care, pubby is blaming the right for opposing Obamacare.  News flash, Obamacare didn't do a damn thing for the Florida shooter.  No parent or legal guardian did a damn thing to get that kid mental health care.  Parents need to be responsible in recognizing their child has mental issues and get them help.  As far as adults with mental issues; they need to recognize they have a problem.  How many know an adult with mental problems, but that person doesn't think there is anything wrong?  How are they going to get treatment?

Cptlo is correct; take away "assault" rifles and the mentally ill who want to kill will use another means to do it, so guns are not the real issue here.

 

 

An example would be Dylan Roof.  He allegedly wanted an AR-15, but could not afford one.  So he used what he could get his hands on in the church shooting that left (9) dead.

 

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 11:44 AM

 

And if you remove so called (incorrectly) 'assault weapons', mass killers will simply move on to handguns, knives, trucks, etc.  Where does blaming the tool end?

 

If all the assailant had was a knife or handgun, may be the deputies wouldn't have been hiding behind their cars and actually went into the building to assist the children being slaughtered.

 

I think it's a little bit difficult to navigate a truck through a building than an AR-15.


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Posted 02 March 2018 - 11:48 AM

RM here is the issue as I see it. I do not trust the government to ban any constitutional right at any level. SCOTUS has ruled that gun ownership is a Constitutional Right (Scalia wrote the opinion). I will meet half way and show I am trying to be objective by stating I am not really sure any citizen needs an "assault rifle" (military style semi-auto M4, AR, AK, etc.). In full disclosure I will state I may or may not have access to these very weapons. I am also OK with an age restriction on certain firearms (21 yo). My quandary is if the government starts with these rifles where will they stop? Tell me one example of government common sense or self control? Between myself ,family and friends there may or may not be access to an arsenal that would make anti-gunners cower in the corner convulsing in fetal position. None of us have ever shot anyone (out of the line of duty), threatened anyone, destroyed property, poached wild life or ever had any gun related charge. The guns we may or may not possess have never went out on their own and shot up a school. Make no mistake if guns were outlawed only outlaws would have guns. Heroin, weed, crack, meth are all illegal but used in epidemic proportions by criminals and addicts. I would like have faith in the govt. to regulate certain things using good judgment but I do not have that faith.

Gun ownership is a constituation right and I for one, defend that right. No doubt. I also believe in age restriction on these guns. I am not hearing any reasonable argument for allowing these guns to be available to the general public through.

Your distrust of the government is justified to a certain degree but I'm not sure that distrust warrants the mass murders of late. The government is the only entity that can take on this task. If you can think of another let's get that out in the forefront.



I have never heard anyone say that they want to take your guns away.
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 01:24 PM

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Ahem... cough, cough :
 
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Introduced on the 27th. A start but heavens know when it will become law. Do we have that time? I sure hope so.
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 02:17 PM

I have never heard anyone say that they want to take your guns away.

 

Then you haven't been listening.


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Posted 02 March 2018 - 02:34 PM

 

Then you haven't been listening.

 

Or reading the actual text of the bill...

 

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:06 PM

Introduced on the 27th. A start but heavens know when it will become law. Do we have that time? I sure hope so.

 

I've been known to talk about how the GOP is the party of misery because that is the direct result of the enactment of their policies for the general population and, if you're philosophical, also for its rich patrons.

 

The point being that the gun law thing is a prime example. 

 

What I'd like for them to do is just pass a law that says that these guns will become banned when the death toll reaches a certain amount.  It is obvious that their current stance is that the innocent folks who are called upon to die from these weapons simply don't count meaning right now, in the right-wing's estimation, we can expect anywhere from 50 to as many bodies as there are to be sacrificed for 'law abiding citizens' to have the right to a high-powered semi-automatic rifle with a 30 round magazine or larger.

 

I think it is a fair  question, "How many people need to die so you can have that impractical trucking toy?"  Seriously, lets do a ban that says that it won't take effect until "X" number of more people are sacrificed for their right to have and hold an AR in the confines of their little hands.

 

What is the number, 100 ... waay to low; if that number were selected we might have a ban by July.  How about 1,000?  That should take a good two years, maybe three if we don't have another Las Vegas.

 

Are we really going to have to sacrifice 10,000 innocent lives to this Unification Church Alter?  (Heck, if we had done that after Columbine, we'd be looking finally at a ban about now ... I would pray.)

 

If this seems absurd to you on the right, consider that I think that kind of compromise would be a bargain when I consider the lawlessness these weapons give that  bunch of rednecks that made up Bundy's army a couple of years ago.  That is the reason you guys are so insistent on having them; you want to break the law, steal from the people and get away with it and you're willing to wage a terrorist war threatening mass casualties to get your way.

 

Not only are you bullies at heart, but you are bullies with military grade weapons. And like Clive bundy, you aren't racist, you just think that the blacks had it better under slavery.  And frankly, to keep hold of your mass killing weapons, you'd sacrifice the youth of America.

 

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 06:48 PM

Or reading the actual text of the bill...
 
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 06:54 PM

I did notice that there is a section where a back program buy is addressed.

Then you haven't been listening.


Then tell me. Rush doesn't count.
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