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I don't see where he blatantly disrespected veterans and their families. Why don't you explain?

He said he wished he had a Purple Heart. My daughter's grandfather had two purple hearts. He was literally kept alive with a ballpoint pen in his trachea and died early of cancer probably caused by chemicals used in Vietnam. Why would someone wish for that?

 

He also said that John McCain was not a war hero because he had been captured. That pretty much insults every pow in American history.

 

If you don't see that as disrespect I say you're full of it. If a Democrat candidate had such things you would be rightly pissed. #hypocrite

 

Why don't you explain why you see no problem with what Trump said? Do you agree that POWs aren't heroes because they've been caught? I answered your question, now answer mine.

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He said he wished he had a Purple Heart. My daughter's grandfather had two purple hearts. He was literally kept alive with a ballpoint pen in his trachea and died early of cancer probably caused by chemicals used in Vietnam. Why would someone wish for that?

 

He also said that John McCain was not a war hero because he had been captured. That pretty much insults every pow in American history.

 

If you don't see that as disrespect I say you're full of it. If a Democrat candidate had such things you would be rightly pissed. #hypocrite

 

Why don't you explain why you see no problem with what Trump said? Do you agree that POWs aren't heroes because they've been caught? I answered your question, now answer mine.

I've known plenty of guys in the military and out of the military that said they wish they had certain medals as well. I have heard many times when wearing my dress uniform and having others come up to me and ask me how I received the Bronze Star and say how they wish they had one. I've actually had soldiers tell me they wish they had a Purple Heart. I've always wondered about soldiers who said they had a Purple Heart, but I don't find it being disrespectful.

 

I think people throw the word hero around way too much and it has lost the meaning it had years ago. Do I think John McCain is a hero as Audie Murphy was? Hell no and not even close. Do I think John McCain is a hero more than SGT Joe Hodgins was? No and not even close. Do I think John McCain is a hero as Joseph Kennedy, Jr was? No. To be quite honest with you, I don't see John McCain as a hero. In my opinion, all the stupid he's done has detracted from his military service in my eyes. He's not an honorable man. I admire his military service and respect him for the hardships he suffered as a POW, but that's about it.

 

I know a lot of veterans. I probably know a lot more veterans than you will ever know. I know a lot of people presently serving on active duty and probably more active duty personnel than you do. Let me tell you, they all believe Trump is a commander-in-chief who believes in them and respects their service. Are there veterans that don't like Trump? Sure there are; one of them being CC. In CC's case he'd hate any Republican that was president, even if he had been awarded a Medal of Honor.

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I've known plenty of guys in the military and out of the military that said they wish they had certain medals as well. I have heard many times when wearing my dress uniform and having others come up to me and ask me how I received the Bronze Star and say how they wish they had one. I've actually had soldiers tell me they wish they had a Purple Heart. I've always wondered about soldiers who said they had a Purple Heart, but I don't find it being disrespectful.

I think people throw the word hero around way too much and it has lost the meaning it had years ago. Do I think John McCain is a hero as Audie Murphy was? Hell no and not even close. Do I think John McCain is a hero more than SGT Joe Hodgins was? No and not even close. Do I think John McCain is a hero as Joseph Kennedy, Jr was? No. To be quite honest with you, I don't see John McCain as a hero. In my opinion, all the stupid he's done has detracted from his military service in my eyes. He's not an honorable man. I admire his military service and respect him for the hardships he suffered as a POW, but that's about it.

I know a lot of veterans. I probably know a lot more veterans than you will ever know. I know a lot of people presently serving on active duty and probably more active duty personnel than you do. Let me tell you, they all believe Trump is a commander-in-chief who believes in them and respects their service. Are there veterans that don't like Trump? Sure there are; one of them being CC. In CC's case he'd hate any Republican that was president, even if he had been awarded a Medal of Honor.

Ok, so you base your hero status on comparisons and willful ignorance.

 

Thank you, you've answered my question.

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Ok, so you base your hero status on comparisons and willful ignorance.

 

Thank you, you've answered my question.

I gave you some examples of who I believe are heroes: Audie Murphy being one of those. It appears how I define a hero is differently on how you define a hero, but you claim you're right and I'm wrong. Here's an important aspect here; I'm a veteran and you're not. You're the one who said he offended veterans with his remarks, but I was not offended nor were the veterans I know.

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I gave you some examples of who I believe are heroes: Audie Murphy being one of those. It appears how I define a hero is differently on how you define a hero, but you claim you're right and I'm wrong. Here's an important aspect here; I'm a veteran and you're not. You're the one who said he offended veterans with his remarks, but I was not offended nor were the veterans I know.

 

Yeah...my DD214 didn't jump out of the safe and take a knee in protest over anything DJT has said or done.

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When you're outraged over a black man taking a knee but not over our commander and chief blatantly disrespecting veterans and their families, you're a hypocrite.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1263073297131347&id=1171324306306247

I honestly have not heard anyone reference the race of the people taking a knee until now. The issue is not the color of their skin, but disrespecting our country.

And this supports what I've been saying about it being the left who is doing the race baiting.

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I honestly have not heard anyone reference the race of the people taking a knee until now. The issue is not the color of their skin, but disrespecting our country.

And this supports what I've been saying about it being the left who is doing the race baiting.

I looked at the page she linked and the vast majority of people posting on it appeared to write on the level of a fifth grader. The language used by many makes them sound like uneducated idiots.

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I honestly have not heard anyone reference the race of the people taking a knee until now. The issue is not the color of their skin, but disrespecting our country.

 

And this supports what I've been saying about it being the left who is doing the race baiting.

Lol. Ok.

I gave you some examples of who I believe are heroes: Audie Murphy being one of those. It appears how I define a hero is differently on how you define a hero, but you claim you're right and I'm wrong. Here's an important aspect here; I'm a veteran and you're not. You're the one who said he offended veterans with his remarks, but I was not offended nor were the veterans I know.

Well I thank you for your service but I still think you're a giant hypocrite. And you know it's true.

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Yeah...my DD214 didn't jump out of the safe and take a knee in protest over anything DJT has said or done.

She would have been truthful had she said "some veterans were offended." She would have been correct because CC is one of those. Honest to God though, it royally pisses me off when someone who has never served a day of their life in military service tries to tell me that as a veteran I'm a hypocrite because I disagreed with her.

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She would have been truthful had she said "some veterans were offended." She would have been correct because CC is one of those. Honest to God though, it royally pisses me off when someone who has never served a day of their life in military service tries to tell me that as a veteran I'm a hypocrite because I disagreed with her.

You're not a hypocrite because you disagree with me, you're a hypocrite because you're a hypocrite. It's been pointed out here over and over.

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Lol. Ok.

 

Well I thank you for your service but I still think you're a giant hypocrite. And you know it's true.

How the heck can I as a veteran be a hypocrite on this when I was not in the least bit offended by what Trump said? Trump is not a hero by my definition and I gave examples of who I thought were heroes. You're the hypocrite here because you want to believe all veterans were offended by Trump because you hate Trump. You are letting your own hatred for the man cloud your judgement.

 

I also told you the word "hero" has been devalued a lot by how it's been used in recent years. I served a total of 29 years and went to war 4 times and I've had a lot of people come up to me and call me a hero. People are not heroes just because they served in the military and went to war. Audie Murphy was a hero. SGT Alvin York was a hero. SGT Joe Hodgins was a hero. MSG Roy Benavidez was a hero. All those guys buried in our military cemeteries who paid the ultimate sacrifice are heroes. Do you now comprehend this veteran's definition of a hero?

You're not a hypocrite because you disagree with me, you're a hypocrite because you're a hypocrite. It's been pointed out here over and over.

I'm a hypocrite because I disagree with you on the left.

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How the heck can I as a veteran be a hypocrite on this when I was not in the least bit offended by what Trump said? Trump is not a hero by my definition and I gave examples of who I thought were heroes. You're the hypocrite here because you want to believe all veterans were offended by Trump because you hate Trump. You are letting your own hatred for the man cloud your judgement.

I also told you the word "hero" has been devalued a lot by how it's been used in recent years. I served a total of 29 years and went to war 4 times and I've had a lot of people come up to me and call me a hero. People are not heroes just because they served in the military and went to war. Audie Murphy was a hero. SGT Alvin York was a hero. SGT Joe Hodgins was a hero. MSG Roy Benavidez was a hero. All those guys buried in our military cemeteries who paid the ultimate sacrifice are heroes. Do you now comprehend this veteran's definition of a hero?

I'm a hypocrite because I disagree with you on the left.

 

That's my favorite line, my hatred for Trump clouds my judgment. No. I recognize a train wreck when I see it. Trump has no respect for Veterans as he has proved. If you want to support him go right ahead. I don't agree with him that pows don't deserve respect because they've been caught. Simple as that. It's not my view that has been clouded, it's yours with your partisan politics. No way in hell would you be cool with a Democrat president saying the things Trump has said concerning veterans.

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That's my favorite line, my hatred for Trump clouds my judgment. No. I recognize a train wreck when I see it. Trump has no respect for Veterans as he has proved. If you want to support him go right ahead. I don't agree with him that pows don't deserve respect because they've been caught. Simple as that. It's not my view that has been clouded, it's yours with your partisan politics. No way in hell would you be cool with a Democrat president saying the things Trump has said concerning veterans.

Trump never said McCain didn't deserve respect because he was captured. Once again you claim Trump has no respect for veterans. How exactly has he "proven" that?

 

Of all the candidates who sought the Republican nomination, Trump was the one I thought would be out of the race first. I didn't support Trump; I supported Cruz. The only reason I voted for Trump in the general election is because the last person I wanted to see as president in that race was Hillary Clinton.

 

Now I'm going to point out your own hypocrisy here. You believe that anyone who is president of this country should be honest, correct? Do you think Hillary Clinton was honest enough to be president?

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Trump never said McCain didn't deserve respect because he was captured. Once again you claim Trump has no respect for veterans. How exactly has he "proven" that?

 

Of all the candidates who sought the Republican nomination, Trump was the one I thought would be out of the race first. I didn't support Trump; I supported Cruz. The only reason I voted for Trump in the general election is because the last person I wanted to see as president in that race was Hillary Clinton.

 

Now I'm going to point out your own hypocrisy here. You believe that anyone who is president of this country should be honest, correct? Do you think Hillary Clinton was honest enough to be president?

 

I don't know what is worse. The fact the you are an enabler or that you don't even know that you're an enabler.

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When you're outraged over a black man taking a knee but not over our commander and chief blatantly disrespecting veterans and their families, you're a hypocrite.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1263073297131347&id=1171324306306247

When you're upset over Trump's words, but not Obama's actions toward veterans and their families...
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Trump never said McCain didn't deserve respect because he was captured. Once again you claim Trump has no respect for veterans. How exactly has he "proven" that?

Of all the candidates who sought the Republican nomination, Trump was the one I thought would be out of the race first. I didn't support Trump; I supported Cruz. The only reason I voted for Trump in the general election is because the last person I wanted to see as president in that race was Hillary Clinton.

 

Now I'm going to point out your own hypocrisy here. You believe that anyone who is president of this country should be honest, correct? Do you think Hillary Clinton was honest enough to be president?

No, I don't think Hillary is very honest. She sux. However I don't think she would be a daily embarrassment like Trump is.

When you're upset over Trump's words, but not Obama's actions toward veterans and their families...

Unlike some, I don't give out free passes based on party lines.

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No, I don't think Hillary is very honest. She sux. However I don't think she would be a daily embarrassment like Trump is.

 

Unlike some, I don't give out free passes based on party lines.

 

 

So where is your outrage over Benghazi ? ? ?

 

Or Bowe Bergdahl ? ? ?

 

Or Extortion 17 ? ? ?

 

Or the VA scandal ? ? ?

 

 

:unknw: :unknw: :unknw:

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So where is your outrage over Benghazi ? ? ?

 

Or Bowe Bergdahl ? ? ?

 

Or Extortion 17 ? ? ?

 

Or the VA scandal ? ? ?

 

 

:unknw: :unknw: :unknw:

 

This thread is about Trump and his disrespect toward La David Johnson's widow.

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That's my favorite line, my hatred for Trump clouds my judgment. No. I recognize a train wreck when I see it. Trump has no respect for Veterans as he has proved. If you want to support him go right ahead. I don't agree with him that pows don't deserve respect because they've been caught. Simple as that. It's not my view that has been clouded, it's yours with your partisan politics. No way in hell would you be cool with a Democrat president saying the things Trump has said concerning veterans.

On the subject of President Trump's respect for veterans. All anyone needs to do is watch a few minutes of any Trump Rally. He loves our military and our veterans and all those military members and veterans in the crowd love him. I've got a close family member just starting his career with the Marines. All Marines he comes in contact with love and respect President Trump. He's met several who say they would have left the Marines if Hillary would have won. Now that President Trump is in office, they are re-upping.

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And now it is about hypocrisy...

 

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I'm sorry but it wouldn't make much sense for me to come in here in an outrage about the things you listed as it's not what this discussion is about. Obviously I didn't and don't have warm fuzzies over the death or mistreatment of our veterans in any case or under any administration. The treatment, or lack of when it comes to our veterans has been lacking for decades and I think it's a damn shame.

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And now it is about hypocrisy...

 

8)

 

Then we should discuss all of the people that accused Obama non stop for 8 years of dividing the nation but now stand behind and support Dotard Trump. If you can't see the hypocrisy in that you are not only blind as a bat you are shamefully dishonest .

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No, I don't think Hillary is very honest. She sux. However I don't think she would be a daily embarrassment like Trump is.

 

Unlike some, I don't give out free passes based on party lines.

I don't recall you expressing any outrage about the government's inability to protect the ambassador in Benghazi. He and other Americans were killed there. What about your opinion on how 20% of our uranium is now controlled by the Russians? What about Clinton fragrantly breaking the law using her private email server to send and receive classified information?

This thread is about Trump and his disrespect toward La David Johnson's widow.

Did you know the organization 5000 Role Models of Excellence that was founded by Rep. Wilson has established a GoFundMe account to raise $1M for the education of SGT Johnson's children? Now tell me the widow doesn't have a vested interest to go along with what Wilson tells her to say.

 

And now it is about hypocrisy...

 

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Especially since she brought up hypocrisy earlier in the thread.

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I don't care for Trump's Tweets or verbal outbursts, but they aren't anywhere near as bad as what Hillary would have done to this country. She's a crook and a traitor who's already sold us out to Russia. Not to mention the damage her Socialist policies would have done to our economy.

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I don't recall you expressing any outrage about the government's inability to protect the ambassador in Benghazi. He and other Americans were killed there. What about your opinion on how 20% of our uranium is now controlled by the Russians? What about Clinton fragrantly breaking the law using her private email server to send and receive classified information?

Are you complaining about Ivanka Trump and others using Trump servers for email. What about Pence using a separate email server? Didn't the Republican Congress cut funding for Embassy security?

 

Hillary's role if any has yet to be confirmed regarding uranium.You like to wait for all of the facts before commenting. Except when you don't.

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I don't recall you expressing any outrage about the government's inability to protect the ambassador in Benghazi. He and other Americans were killed there. What about your opinion on how 20% of our uranium is now controlled by the Russians? What about Clinton fragrantly breaking the law using her private email server to send and receive classified information?

 

The ambassador was told by the state department not to go to Benghazi. The ambassador is dead because of his own bad decisions.How many congressional hearings does it take for you wingnuts to let it go ? The rest of your comment is unproven hogwash.

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Are you complaining about Ivanka Trump and others using Trump servers for email. What about Pence using a separate email server? Didn't the Republican Congress cut funding for Embassy security?

 

Hillary's role if any has yet to be confirmed regarding uranium.You like to wait for all of the facts before commenting. Except when you don't.

The evidence that has been brought out in the news media sure makes her look guilty as hell now, doesn't it? Democrats cut $142M from it in 2010. Either way, that still doesn't excuse the State Department to tell AFRICOM to stand down when the request was made for assistance from the embassy.

 

There is no law that prevents any government official from utilizing private email servers to send unclassified information.

 

The ambassador was told by the state department not to go to Benghazi. The ambassador is dead because of his own bad decisions.How many congressional hearings does it take for you wingnuts to let it go ? The rest of your comment is unproven hogwash.

What about the others assigned to that consulate? Also why was the ambassador told not to go to Benghazi when the State Department obviously ignored intelligence reporting with Clinton stating the attack on the consulate was not a planned attack, but a demonstration against a "video" that went out of control?

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What about the others assigned to that consulate?

 

Yep the ambassador may have just as well signed their death warrant when he dragged them along after being told not to go there.

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The evidence that has been brought out in the news media sure makes her look guilty as hell now, doesn't it? Democrats cut $142M from it in 2010. Either way, that still doesn't excuse the State Department to tell AFRICOM to stand down when the request was made for assistance from the embassy.

 

There is no law that prevents any government official from utilizing private email servers to send unclassified information.

What about the others assigned to that consulate? Also why was the ambassador told not to go to Benghazi when the State Department obviously ignored intelligence reporting with Clinton stating the attack on the consulate was not a planned attack, but a demonstration against a "video" that went out of control?

The Democrats cut security $142 million and that wasn't enough for Republicans who cut it even further. Got it.

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I don't recall you expressing any outrage about the government's inability to protect the ambassador in Benghazi. He and other Americans were killed there. What about your opinion on how 20% of our uranium is now controlled by the Russians? What about Clinton fragrantly breaking the law using her private email server to send and receive classified information?

Did you know the organization 5000 Role Models of Excellence that was founded by Rep. Wilson has established a GoFundMe account to raise $1M for the education of SGT Johnson's children? Now tell me the widow doesn't have a vested interest to go along with what Wilson tells her to say.

Especially since she brought up hypocrisy earlier in the thread.

I don't recall discussing Benghazi here at all.

 

As far as your other whataboutisms, I'm not sure why you keep bringing Hillary up like I'm going to try and defend her. She's not the president and I don't like her either. It's like you can't admit that Trump sucks so you constantly have to deflect.

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I don't recall discussing Benghazi here at all.

 

As far as your other whataboutisms, I'm not sure why you keep bringing Hillary up like I'm going to try and defend her. She's not the president and I don't like her either. It's like you can't admit that Trump sucks so you constantly have to deflect.

This is the problem with liberals; they want to completely ignore the instances of wrong-doing by their own party and party members. You're no different.

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This is the problem with liberals; they want to completely ignore the instances of wrong-doing by their own party and party members. You're no different.

 

What I love about conservatives that protect Trump regardless of what he does is that one day that house of cards will fall tumble down with all of you in it.

 

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This is the problem with liberals; they want to completely ignore the instances of wrong-doing by their own party and party members. You're no different.

 

Your comment is a perfect example of hypocrisy, and or you just don't know the meaning of the word. think about it.

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