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Some folks are strongly opposed to passenger jets coming in and departing from Silver Comet Field. Other folks see the airport as a means to lower the tax burden on existing property owners here in Paulding County.

 

I personally don't think Paulding has the infrastructure to support increased traffic from the airport. Wouldn't it be much wiser for federal authorities to locate an airfield close to a major interstate highway. (Like Dobbins Air Base)? The federal government could negotiate and move the air force base way out in the boondocks and put commercial air traffic right there by I-75 or why not way out I-20 between Villa Rica and Carrollton? There's plenty of land out that way and they'd have access to Interstate and heavy rail for air cargo.

 

The current lawsuits over Silver Comet Field will continue for a while and I hope the officials opposed to commercialization can kick the can another down the road for a couple more years until I can retire and get out of this county. I don't see anything positive about the airport when the extra noise and traffic will only make our quality of life spiral downwards. (look at the crime statistics near Atlanta's airport (Riverdale and Forest Park), Seriously...do you want that stuff here? We don't have Marta, we don't have interstate highways, we don't have what it takes to run a successful airport.

 

Your thoughts?

 

 

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The first mistake is to assume just because the counties treasury get's a boost county officials are going to lower property taxes.

 

Tieing crime and airports together is a stretch.

 

If I have to chose between commercial planes and military F-35's I'll chose commercial.

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Tieing crime and airports together is a stretch.

 

A google search clearly shows higher crime stats around airports from all types of news sources.

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A google search clearly shows higher crime stats around airports from all types of news sources.

 

The same could be said crime goes up when you build a school or a hospital. I don't buy the correlation of one causing the other.

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The same could be said crime goes up when you build a school or a hospital. I don't buy the correlation of one causing the other.

 

While this thread is about the bad idea that is the airport in Paulding . . .

 

You are correct - to a certain extent - that the same applies to schools and hospitals . . . . in the inner cities.

 

Draw your own conclusions there.

 

But it seems that the common theory in regard to airports is there is a larger group of people who are obviously unarmed, in most cases have valuables and/or cash on them and are often unfamiliar with their surroundings . . . which equals easy targets for bad guys.

 

Basically, it's kind of that "build it and they will come" scenario and it applies to criminals as well as travelers/business.

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I live relatively close to the airport. Most likely the approach and departure would not come right over my place but run parallel to me. I rarely see a plane currently. My opposition has been two fold and continues to be. The main one is quality of life. If you do not live near the airport you would not understand that one and frankly should not have an opinion on it. Secondly the whole genesis of the airport (secret deals, collusion, tax payer burden, etc.) reeks of crooked politicians and insider deals. I would like to see the county make a viable general aviation airport work before attempting anything larger.

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As most of you probably remember for a couple of years or more I was strongly opposed to Commercialization. Little by little I started to realize Commercialization was not as big of a deal or as bad of a deal as I made it. I've come to the realization all the lawsuits hurt us all.

I've watched our former Economic Development Director Jamie Gilbert's success in SC, and I celebrate his great and numerous wins. We will not see any positive news here as long as we continue on this road. And I'm really sorry we have crippled ourselves.

I've lost count of all the lawsuits & appeals. When I was Anti-Commercialization I always said "In the end the lawyers win". Now that I'm on the Really Don't Care About The Airport side, I still say "In the end the lawyers win". I wish we could hear all sides publicly say "Let the courts rule, No more suits, No more appeals, accept the court rulings and then let's move on". But I'm sure all sides attorney's are advising their clients to never make this kind of statement.

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I live relatively close to the airport. Most likely the approach and departure would not come right over my place but run parallel to me. I rarely see a plane currently. My opposition has been two fold and continues to be. The main one is quality of life. If you do not live near the airport you would not understand that one and frankly should not have an opinion on it. Secondly the whole genesis of the airport (secret deals, collusion, tax payer burden, etc.) reeks of crooked politicians and insider deals. I would like to see the county make a viable general aviation airport work before attempting anything larger.

Could not have said it better myself.

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I do not want the commercialised airport to be here, but would not mind if it is in surrounding counties (Cobb, Bartow, Douglas, Haralson, Polk, Carroll, etc.)

 

I do not want to live in a crime-infested county and where there are smogs.

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I live relatively close to the airport. Most likely the approach and departure would not come right over my place but run parallel to me. I rarely see a plane currently. My opposition has been two fold and continues to be. The main one is quality of life. If you do not live near the airport you would not understand that one and frankly should not have an opinion on it. Secondly the whole genesis of the airport (secret deals, collusion, tax payer burden, etc.) reeks of crooked politicians and insider deals. I would like to see the county make a viable general aviation airport work before attempting anything larger.

 

Thank you.

 

I hope people understand, right now, today with no changes corporate jets can and DO land at our airport. A general aviation airport allows corporate jets to land. Commercial service is for passenger airplanes of 150+ passengers, the Part 139 designation allows Delta, Allegiant, Jet Blue, etc land passenger planes at our airport.

 

Commericial passenger planes will not, in of itself, decrease homeowner's tax burden. Planes have to be "housed", "homed", "assigned to", what ever you want to call it before they pay any taxes. At best, the airport will receive rental fees for use of the terminal.

 

The Chamber of Commerce actually did a survey that indicted Passenger Airliners would create 55 Full Time Equivalent (part time) jobs. That's it.

 

Like Stonewall said, the entire plan to bring in a less than financially secure private partner, was done behind closed doors, with no public input. I live over 5 miles from the airport, I am not in the flight path, I have nothing to gain by opposing commercilization. As a business owner, I don't think this was a sound investment. I have been told, communities grow airports, airports don't grow communities.

 

Paulding county is not ready for all a commercial airport would demand. We need to be spending money on infrastructure like roads, sewer, fiber optics, and of course our reservoir.

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Tundra:

 

Commercial service is not limited to aircraft carrying 150+ people. There are many smaller commercial aircraft that are both prop and jet powered.

 

Commercial service allows scheduled flights going to specific places that are capable of carrying people based on the common carrier model.

 

Why should anyone read the rest of your statement when you start with a distortion of this magnitude.

 

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I just don't want our property taxes to go up 3 or 4 mils to be paying for these improvements for a business model that is totally unproven. If this was really a guaranteed money maker, Propeller would do whatever it took to set up business. As it is, we take all the risk (just like the movie studio) and if it fails, we pay the bills (just like the movie studio)

 

The GA airport has never had a chance on it's own. They opened it, we got a few planes, then the tornado came in and took it back down to the ground.

 

Then the recession hit and growth in the area shut down.

 

McCollum continues to expand with limited space and as a GA airport as business grows around it. We need to be more open to business, work on getting the gateway to I-75 at Cedarcrest/Dabbs Bridge and US 41 built and the airport will be a success as GA as business provides higher paying jobs.

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I just don't want our property taxes to go up 3 or 4 mils to be paying for these improvements for a business model that is totally unproven. If this was really a guaranteed money maker, Propeller would do whatever it took to set up business. As it is, we take all the risk (just like the movie studio) and if it fails, we pay the bills (just like the movie studio)

 

The GA airport has never had a chance on it's own. They opened it, we got a few planes, then the tornado came in and took it back down to the ground.

 

Then the recession hit and growth in the area shut down.

 

McCollum continues to expand with limited space and as a GA airport as business grows around it. We need to be more open to business, work on getting the gateway to I-75 at Cedarcrest/Dabbs Bridge and US 41 built and the airport will be a success as GA as business provides higher paying jobs.

My understanding is that the discussion is still open on the Dabbs/ 3army road project. I have a question if someone knows the answer. Let me start by saying I don't watch network channels as in the big 3. I may have missed commercials for the sports park built in Bartow. I have not seen any marketing for it. As big as it is I would think that they would need to market locally.

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My understanding is that the discussion is still open on the Dabbs/ 3army road project. I have a question if someone knows the answer. Let me start by saying I don't watch network channels as in the big 3. I may have missed commercials for the sports park built in Bartow. I have not seen any marketing for it. As big as it is I would think that they would need to market locally.

The Sports Complex appears to be very successful from first hand accounts I've heard. I know a few people who are serious travel team members. They love this facility. I've never seen any commercials. I expect they do serious marketing aimed at sports teams and leagues. I expect local marketing might be a waste of energy.

 

On the 3rd Army Interchange. I saw on Facebook news reports recently a delegation made up of Cobb & Paulding offical's recently visited Washington DC to promote the benefits of this project. I expect they are working on obtaining Federal funding.

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Tundra:

 

Commercial service is not limited to aircraft carrying 150+ people. There are many smaller commercial aircraft that are both prop and jet powered.

 

Commercial service allows scheduled flights going to specific places that are capable of carrying people based on the common carrier model.

 

Why should anyone read the rest of your statement when you start with a distortion of this magnitude.

 

pubby

 

You aren't right, nope. Commercial service includes scheduled passenger service. Quit distorting the facts to fit your agenda. Everything I said is absolutely true.

 

Amazon, Google, Kroger, Home Depot corporate can already land their planes at our airport. Without Part 139, without changing a darn thing.

 

Charter planes carrying passergers, no problem. Who wants to rent a charter to Vegas? We can split the cost and go from Paulding Northwest Atlanta Airport. :D

 

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Tundra:

 

You insult my intelligence. You can't say that I'm not right and then say the exact thing I said ... that commercial service is a scheduled service.

 

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If you would have used your intelligence to read my original post, you'd see I said what you said to begin with.........scheduled service is Delta, Allegiant, Jet Blue, you know planes that can carry up to 150 passengers.

 

No need for the commercial designation for small charter flights and corporate jets.

 

Scheduled service will only pay nominal landing fees. I would have to reread that ridiculous 40 year contract to see if the airport or Propeller collects those. Either way there will be no relief to homeowners taxes with scheduled service. Per the Chamber of Commerce's own report.

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Tundra:

 

You insult my intelligence. You can't say that I'm not right and then say the exact thing I said ... that commercial service is a scheduled service.

 

pubby

And what the obstructionist antis' are missing is that UPS or FedEx could use SCF as a cargo airport and land 737's there 24/7/365 and all the pissing and moaning about trying to block the Part 139 application would be for naught.

 

Part 139 only tells an airline that the physical plant, i.e., the runways, taxiways, radio system, terminal, etc., are up to minimum standards to handle passenger aircraft. Nothing else. Sort of like a truck line knowing that the Interstate system physical standards will handle their trucks without the pavement crumbling or any overpasses being too low, etc.

 

Building that damn airport was a dumb idea in the first place. And it's even dumber to have spent $250K in legal fees trying to obstruct what is merely the FAA's equivalent of a certificate of occupancy.

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Same financial report given to Paulding..........as Gwinnett.

"Officials said the promise of a minimum annual payment of $500,000, as well as an unvalidated increase in sales tax, did not justify waiving ad valorem taxes for the upgrades and needed roadway improvements for which the county would be responsible. The financial details of the proposal, officials said, were lacking, giving the proposal only a 51 percent score out of 100."

 

Here's the whole story of why Gwinnett rejected a start up company with no experience. They figured out the cost far outweighed the benefit of allowing scheduled passenger service.

 

http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/news/boc-says-no-to-commercial-flights-plan/article_6442535a-b087-5a44-93c9-add7f4bf2a2c.html

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What you are failing to mention Tundra is that the designation as a 139a airport also qualifies this airport for a heightened level of security and opens the facility to additional FAA grants for commercial airports which could amount to millions in additional investment annually. Further, meeting the security requirements is akin to obtaining a subsidy for corporations which would be inclined to locate here over other non 130a facilities which can't offer the same level of security or would require they pay extra for that security.

 

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Why would a Fed Ex or UPS Facility want to be located near a field with no highway access? I just don't see it happening until a major freeway connects I-20 and I-75. Our local politicians want to stay in office and they know the key to that is kicking the can down the road. But if the federal officials coughed up some transportation money to fund a major freeway straight to the interstate, then we might get the air cargo thing some folks are pushing for. Remember how the traffic was just awful going to the Atlanta Motor Speedway in Hampton? When they built the access road straight to I-75 that relieved a lot of the traffic issues. We need a limited access freeway right to I-20 and I-75. Otherwise the airport will be a total bust.

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What you are failing to mention Tundra is that the designation as a 139a airport also qualifies this airport for a heightened level of security and opens the facility to additional FAA grants for commercial airports which could amount to millions in additional investment annually. Further, meeting the security requirements is akin to obtaining a subsidy for corporations which would be inclined to locate here over other non 130a facilities which can't offer the same level of security or would require they pay extra for that security.

 

pubby

 

Cargo planes can already use the airport, they don't need Part 139. Maybe a longer runway, but not Part 139. The FAA grants would only go to the Airport Improvement Program. It can only be used at the airport, not on roads, infrastructure, or to relieve the tax burdens on homeowners. How's that Part 139 working out for those businesses that need extra security requirements at Hartsfield? How many of those types of businesses are located there?

Why would a Fed Ex or UPS Facility want to be located near a field with no highway access? I just don't see it happening until a major freeway connects I-20 and I-75. Our local politicians want to stay in office and they know the key to that is kicking the can down the road. But if the federal officials coughed up some transportation money to fund a major freeway straight to the interstate, then we might get the air cargo thing some folks are pushing for. Remember how the traffic was just awful going to the Atlanta Motor Speedway in Hampton? When they built the access road straight to I-75 that relieved a lot of the traffic issues. We need a limited access freeway right to I-20 and I-75. Otherwise the airport will be a total bust.

Exactly, cargo can use the airport now. It's ludicrus to think a change to scheduled passenger service would suddenly attract FedEx or UPS.

 

No thanks on the freeway thing. They are expanding Hwy 92 that will be a direct connection to I 75 from I 20. I'm good with that. It's a great opportunity for business growth and private business that will indeed relieve the tax burden on residents.

 

Meanwhile, the existing industrial parks are sitting nearly empty. While previous BOCs have poured millions of dollars into a failing airport and film studio.

 

The commercialization idea was born because Paulding's airport was failing miserably as a General Aviation airport. It's still hooked up to the taxpayers IV to stay alive.

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Does everybody know Mr. Tibbetts makes $95000 per year for 28hrs. work per week

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Does everybody know Mr. Tibbetts makes $95000 per year for 28hrs. work per week

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And yet we prefer to bitch and moan because some poor slob in the checkout lane bought a roast with food stamps.

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Does everybody know Mr. Tibbetts makes $95000 per year for 28hrs. work per week

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Yea, $65.00 dollars per hour with NO EXPERIENCE of ever being a Airport Director. Oh and BTW he also gets a car allowance up to $500,00 per month, And did not even add one cent to the budget to pay the Bond Debt for previous work done at the airport

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Hey here goes another few hundred thousand down the bottomless pit'

 

The City of Atlanta finally gets tired of the Broken promises made by Chairman Carmichael and Boyd Austin, I hope everyone takes the time to read how some of our leaders live up to promises and busyness decisions. It is no wonder that businesses shy away from Paulding County

http://www.savepauldingco.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/City-of-Atlanta_17-CV-001624.pdf

 

Yep this could cost the tax payers millions!!!!!!

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Does everybody know Mr. Tibbetts makes $95000 per year for 28hrs. work per week

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And what exactly does he direct? Tibbetts you say, another case of nepotism?

 

Seriously, there's nothing to direct.

 

 

 

 

 

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I found it laughable and an absolute insult to the intelligence of every Paulding County citizen that the Stop group claimed victory and spiked the football over the letter that the FAA sent the BOC and PCAA. How they think that they were not referring to the homeschool dads (formerly known as the Chicken World 4) in that letter, as well as the other county leaders just shows their hypocrisy.

 

That letter read like one that a parent gets from a day care stating that all your children are incorrigible and need to go somewhere else. It was an absolute embarrassment, yet they lauded it like some sort of battle victory.

 

I had tons of respect and empathy for that group until they showed me that nothing else matters, as long as you're against the airport. Morals, intellect, experience, abiility to speak in public, keeping campaign promises (other than promises to sue the county you represent), none of that matters, as long as you're against the stupid airport.

 

I really didn't care about the airport, still don't. I just know that, if that group is involved, I want to be as far away from their position as possible. While I concede that they didn't start the fire, their slash and burn war has scarred this county and made us an absolute laughing stock. We are now, and will continue to be, Atlanta's trailer park.

 

Our hands (the county's residents) are dirty too. They say you get the government you deserve. Our apathy on local elections have emboldened this group to run whatever moron in their homeschool group who raises his / her hand and says, "I'll run", to do so knowing that they only need a couple thousand people to vote for them to get the job. We deserve it. Congratulations, you guys have gotten what you wanted, and the losers are each and every one of us.

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I found it laughable and an absolute insult to the intelligence of every Paulding County citizen that the Stop group claimed victory and spiked the football over the letter that the FAA sent the BOC and PCAA. How they think that they were not referring to the homeschool dads (formerly known as the Chicken World 4) in that letter, as well as the other county leaders just shows their hypocrisy.

 

That letter read like one that a parent gets from a day care stating that all your children are incorrigible and need to go somewhere else. It was an absolute embarrassment, yet they lauded it like some sort of battle victory.

 

I had tons of respect and empathy for that group until they showed me that nothing else matters, as long as you're against the airport. Morals, intellect, experience, abiility to speak in public, keeping campaign promises (other than promises to sue the county you represent), none of that matters, as long as you're against the stupid airport.

 

I really didn't care about the airport, still don't. I just know that, if that group is involved, I want to be as far away from their position as possible. While I concede that they didn't start the fire, their slash and burn war has scarred this county and made us an absolute laughing stock. We are now, and will continue to be, Atlanta's trailer park.

 

Our hands (the county's residents) are dirty too. They say you get the government you deserve. Our apathy on local elections have emboldened this group to run whatever moron in their homeschool group who raises his / her hand and says, "I'll run", to do so knowing that they only need a couple thousand people to vote for them to get the job. We deserve it. Congratulations, you guys have gotten what you wanted, and the losers are each and every one of us.

I'm hoping the courts can ties this up for a couple more years until I can retire and get out of here. The former chairman screwed us hard apparently. To blame "Chicken World 4" for keeping their promises opposing commercialization is absurd.... the airport supporters were the ones who were deceitful and pulled backroom deals and resulted in the firing of attorney Tom Cable. That's the guy who was representing both the county BOC and the PCAA.

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What if the judge rules Paulding County must forfeit the airport to Atlanta due to breach of contract? as mentioned in Whitey's .pdf lawsuit attachment Talk about that. Go ahead and laugh and say it won't happen, but when Atlanta can bring lawyers from Washington DC to our little county, we're in serious trouble.

Money talks and Atlanta has deeper pockets than I do.

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And what exactly does he direct? Tibbetts you say, another case of nepotism?

 

Seriously, there's nothing to direct.

 

 

 

 

 

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Just another case of the good ole boy's taking care of the other good ole boy's

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I found it laughable and an absolute insult to the intelligence of every Paulding County citizen that the Stop group claimed victory and spiked the football over the letter that the FAA sent the BOC and PCAA. How they think that they were not referring to the homeschool dads (formerly known as the Chicken World 4) in that letter, as well as the other county leaders just shows their hypocrisy.

 

That letter read like one that a parent gets from a day care stating that all your children are incorrigible and need to go somewhere else. It was an absolute embarrassment, yet they lauded it like some sort of battle victory.

 

I had tons of respect and empathy for that group until they showed me that nothing else matters, as long as you're against the airport. Morals, intellect, experience, abiility to speak in public, keeping campaign promises (other than promises to sue the county you represent), none of that matters, as long as you're against the stupid airport.

 

I really didn't care about the airport, still don't. I just know that, if that group is involved, I want to be as far away from their position as possible. While I concede that they didn't start the fire, their slash and burn war has scarred this county and made us an absolute laughing stock. We are now, and will continue to be, Atlanta's trailer park.

 

Our hands (the county's residents) are dirty too. They say you get the government you deserve. Our apathy on local elections have emboldened this group to run whatever moron in their homeschool group who raises his / her hand and says, "I'll run", to do so knowing that they only need a couple thousand people to vote for them to get the job. We deserve it. Congratulations, you guys have gotten what you wanted, and the losers are each and every one of us.

My My you are a little testy today.....I find it laughable that you only attempt to demean the four commissioners who are the only elected officials that have lived up to every campaign promise that they have made

Just so you know the commission as a whole has passed legislation and agreed on resolutions that for almost 95 % of the time the results of these votes were 5 to 0 . These votes Include the Reservoir, new jail referendum, New State Patrol office, Brand new Drivers License building, new centrally located water Department, new 911 center fully staffed with the latest and greatest equipment to respond to emergency concerns, Additional fire stations, that are fully equipped .Just to name a few

 

Unlike David Austin And David Carmichael who are the Highest elected officials who sit on the Industrial Building Authority along with Brother Boyd Austin who have failed miserably to bring any meaningful jobs to the area for the past ten years who rarely ever, over this period have created any jobs with the exception of interoll.

 

Go ahead question those facts Carmichael served on the IBA from around 2004 t0 2012 and is now currently serving there now.

David Austin has served on the IBA from 2008.to 2017, Brother Boyd Austin has served on the IBA every since he was elected Mayor of Dallas around 2004

 

During that time the IBA has been given unlimited Millions of dollars from the various commission to provide jobs for the citizens of Paulding County here is the big question for all, where has this money been spent by the IBA?????

 

If my memory is correct we have five or six business parks around the County and the two Dave's along with Brother Boyd have failed to attract any business/manufacturing/retail etc. to these parks with the exception of a few small business and some County buildings

They Recognized their failure and created another red herring. The Paulding County Economic Development which was funded to the tune of Millions with a office in the Regions Bank Building. NOW please tell me how many jobs they have brought to Paulding County in the 10 years they have been in operation

 

How many meetings does the IBA or the PCED have on a monthly basis? How much does the IBA owe the County for Bond Payments backed by the County.

 

I hope you now realize that the so called Chicken world four have been fulfilling their responsibility to Paulding County and have lived up to everyone of their campaign promises.

 

I only ask you to do this.... Watch the next video of a IBA meeting or go to the Stop Page and look at any previous IBA meeting I promise you this, the meeting will last about 10 minutes with the remaining of the meeting held in closed session...... Then compare this to what the commissioners have done the past few years that is the reason we have spent millions through the IBA and Nothing to show for it .

 

Keep in mind the Chamber of Commerce, Industrial Building Authority and The Paulding County Economic Development are the engines that drive economic development, Of course you knew that you just wanted to belittle the commissioners that have kept their campaign promises

 

I also hope you realize that Dave Carmichael, Boyd Austin and David Austin have not fulfilled there responsibility to bring the needed jobs to Paulding County through the IBA and the PCED A film studio does not get the job done

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What if the judge rules Paulding County must forfeit the airport to Atlanta due to breach of contract? as mentioned in Whitey's .pdf lawsuit attachment Talk about that. Go ahead and laugh and say it won't happen, but when Atlanta can bring lawyers from Washington DC to our little county, we're in serious trouble.

Money talks and Atlanta has deeper pockets than I do.

 

... and Atlanta, who has the plans to turn the airport into a second Atlanta airport going back 40 years now gets an airport; has some 900 adjacent acres for a really big airport and the judge and chicken little four just 'gave the whole shebang' to the city of Atlanta.

 

So, what this exercise will have done is turn over the operations and benefits of the second Atlanta airport to the city of Atlanta and Paulding will have no say whatsoever in the operation of the facility.

 

Good job, chicken little four... this is what I predicted would happen and we can see you're doing your best to make that happen.

 

pubby

 

PS: Stupid is as stupid does - Forrest Gump .

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... and Atlanta, who has the plans to turn the airport into a second Atlanta airport going back 40 years now gets an airport; has some 900 adjacent acres for a really big airport and the judge and chicken little four just 'gave the whole shebang' to the city of Atlanta.

 

So, what this exercise will have done is turn over the operations and benefits of the second Atlanta airport to the city of Atlanta and Paulding will have no say whatsoever in the operation of the facility.

 

Good job, chicken little four... this is what I predicted would happen and we can see you're doing your best to make that happen.

 

pubby

 

PS: Stupid is as stupid does - Forrest Gump .

Good job Austin, Carmichael and company you mean. NONE of this would be happening if they hadn't tried to commercialize the airport behind the backs of citizens. Yea, Jerry built the stupid thing but at least he didn't keep it secret. He had it out there, front and center.

 

The 4 commissioners have indeed done what they campaigned on, trying to stop commercialization of our airport. Meanwhile, law suit after law suit has been filed because Austin and Carmichael thought closed door deals were the "right thing to do".

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My My you are a little testy today.....I find it laughable that you only attempt to demean the four commissioners who are the only elected officials that have lived up to every campaign promise that they have made

Just so you know the commission as a whole has passed legislation and agreed on resolutions that for almost 95 % of the time the results of these votes were 5 to 0 . These votes Include the Reservoir, new jail referendum, New State Patrol office, Brand new Drivers License building, new centrally located water Department, new 911 center fully staffed with the latest and greatest equipment to respond to emergency concerns, Additional fire stations, that are fully equipped .Just to name a few

 

Unlike David Austin And David Carmichael who are the Highest elected officials who sit on the Industrial Building Authority along with Brother Boyd Austin who have failed miserably to bring any meaningful jobs to the area for the past ten years who rarely ever, over this period have created any jobs with the exception of interoll.

 

Go ahead question those facts Carmichael served on the IBA from around 2004 t0 2012 and is now currently serving there now.

David Austin has served on the IBA from 2008.to 2017, Brother Boyd Austin has served on the IBA every since he was elected Mayor of Dallas around 2004

 

During that time the IBA has been given unlimited Millions of dollars from the various commission to provide jobs for the citizens of Paulding County here is the big question for all, where has this money been spent by the IBA?????

 

If my memory is correct we have five or six business parks around the County and the two Dave's along with Brother Boyd have failed to attract any business/manufacturing/retail etc. to these parks with the exception of a few small business and some County buildings

They Recognized their failure and created another red herring. The Paulding County Economic Development which was funded to the tune of Millions with a office in the Regions Bank Building. NOW please tell me how many jobs they have brought to Paulding County in the 10 years they have been in operation

 

How many meetings does the IBA or the PCED have on a monthly basis? How much does the IBA owe the County for Bond Payments backed by the County.

 

I hope you now realize that the so called Chicken world four have been fulfilling their responsibility to Paulding County and have lived up to everyone of their campaign promises.

 

I only ask you to do this.... Watch the next video of a IBA meeting or go to the Stop Page and look at any previous IBA meeting I promise you this, the meeting will last about 10 minutes with the remaining of the meeting held in closed session...... Then compare this to what the commissioners have done the past few years that is the reason we have spent millions through the IBA and Nothing to show for it .

 

Keep in mind the Chamber of Commerce, Industrial Building Authority and The Paulding County Economic Development are the engines that drive economic development, Of course you knew that you just wanted to belittle the commissioners that have kept their campaign promises

 

I also hope you realize that Dave Carmichael, Boyd Austin and David Austin have not fulfilled there responsibility to bring the needed jobs to Paulding County through the IBA and the PCED A film studio does not get the job done

 

So, Whitey, whose mouthpiece are you being these days?

 

Too many big words and correct spelling and grammar to have been anything you composed.

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... and Atlanta, who has the plans to turn the airport into a second Atlanta airport going back 40 years now gets an airport; has some 900 adjacent acres for a really big airport and the judge and chicken little four just 'gave the whole shebang' to the city of Atlanta.

 

So, what this exercise will have done is turn over the operations and benefits of the second Atlanta airport to the city of Atlanta and Paulding will have no say whatsoever in the operation of the facility.

 

Good job, chicken little four... this is what I predicted would happen and we can see you're doing your best to make that happen.

 

pubby

 

PS: Stupid is as stupid does - Forrest Gump .

 

Unless the real estate contract between the City and Paulding for the 157 acres in question specifically says NO commercial (passenger) traffic, what was said verbally during negotiations has no legal standing. The fact that the deed wasn't recorded promptly has no bearing on anything. What Todd or Vernon may have said in some commission work session isn't germane to the situation...because neither of them were holding office when the sale of the parcel took place.

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Wow, How stupid Austin and Carmichael must be thinking that they can now match attorney fees with the City of Atlanta,.

 

They will file claims and appeal cases until the citizens of Paulding County can no longer afford to pay the taxes to battle Hartsfield Jackson air port ( the worlds busiest) and the City of Atlanta.

 

If propeller wants Commercial service here, why don't they fight the City of Atlanta for it in court????

 

STUPID STUPID to think that Paulding County can compete with the big boys ,with full pockets in Atlanta.

 

Over the next year I predict it will cost Paulding County close to a $1,000,000, just to defend the first Atlanta law suit, with more law suits soon to follow.

 

And all of this because our leaders were not being open, honest and transparent.

 

A man's word is his bond and it appears that the City of Atlanta is about to teach some of our misguided leaders what it means to be open ,honest and transparent.

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Whitey, you're one of my favorites on here, and I tried to mention several times that "they didn't start the fire". I just don't believe the ends justify the means.

 

The chicken world 4, while probably being decent men, just simply don't give off any air of intelligence or competence. They read off the same copied and pasted talking points that I've read on here hundreds of times. They just seem like the pawns that ran for office on this single issue. The only one that seems to have any intellect is Pownall. His entire political existence is based on him whining and playing the victim because he was outsmarted and outplayed politically. He gets re-elected by openly admitting over and over and over again that he was a boy playing a man's game, and he got beat. You would think his constituents would want someone a little more competent representing them, but when only an activist group shows up to vote, then winning is easy.

 

Everyone's hands are dirty. I know I mentioned that. We have the government we deserve. While I like it here, I don't love it enough to watch the stop group and their pawns complete the transition of our county from what could have been an upper middle class suburb, to a section 8 trailer park.

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Whitey, you're one of my favorites on here, and I tried to mention several times that "they didn't start the fire". I just don't believe the ends justify the means.

 

The chicken world 4, while probably being decent men, just simply don't give off any air of intelligence or competence. They read off the same copied and pasted talking points that I've read on here hundreds of times. They just seem like the pawns that ran for office on this single issue. The only one that seems to have any intellect is Pownall. His entire political existence is based on him whining and playing the victim because he was outsmarted and outplayed politically. He gets re-elected by openly admitting over and over and over again that he was a boy playing a man's game, and he got beat. You would think his constituents would want someone a little more competent representing them, but when only an activist group shows up to vote, then winning is easy.

 

Everyone's hands are dirty. I know I mentioned that. We have the government we deserve. While I like it here, I don't love it enough to watch the stop group and their pawns complete the transition of our county from what could have been an upper middle class suburb, to a section 8 trailer park.

We have many issues facing Paulding County. The airport bottomless pit of wasted money is only 1 issue. Todd is a decent man. He's really too honest to be a southern politician. We voted for the guys who were honest but still tough enough to put the brakes on the airport. So far, they've been successful. so to imply Todd got beat is amusingly inaccurate. If you support commercialization, you got beat. So there's that.

 

The biggest problem we have in Paulding is the dysfunctional school board. Talk about a real mess. ...that bunch of bureaucrats will make you want to cuss, but this thread isn't about those folks, it's about teh airport. So please remember that..

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