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#1 stercus tauri

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 07:57 AM

Whatever it takes to keep the non-wealthy in their place.
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Posted 20 March 2017 - 08:29 AM

I don't know how much monies the FEDS send but I thought that this was funded on a state and local basis. I know of a number of states that don't have ASP.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 08:41 AM

Here is what they do not want you to know :

 

"The CDBG program is chock full of cronyism and corruption and should be eliminated.

Much like the corrupt city redevelopment agencies, what actually ends up happening

is that this money gets funneled by politicians to friends with connections for various

projects that aren't really about helping the poor at all."

 

http://reason.com/blog/2017/03/16/the-community-development-block-grant-pr

 

 

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:47 PM

I don't know how much monies the FEDS send but I thought that this was funded on a state and local basis. I know of a number of states that don't have ASP.

The funding comes from the federal government but each state can administer the program differently.

http://www.afterscho...alAtAGlance.cfm


Local and state money may also be used.



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 02:18 PM

Let the locals budget it so the bloated federal government will at least start to shrink.


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 02:28 PM

Let the locals budget it so the bloated federal government will at least start to shrink.

They won't .... which is the situation.

Most won't pay taxes to help support locals, they barely support splots for parks or other local community "enhancements", they are not going to pay for those "beneath their noses" .... and local governments are not going to add a line item to support a program which the higher voter population feel is so vocal on they feel these people who need it most is felt to be most beneath them and should be supported by some other group or entity.

Volunteer money isn't going to work either .....


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 02:55 PM

They won't .... which is the situation.

Most won't pay taxes to help support locals, they barely support splots for parks or other local community "enhancements", they are not going to pay for those "beneath their noses" .... and local governments are not going to add a line item to support a program which the higher voter population feel is so vocal on they feel these people who need it most is felt to be most beneath them and should be supported by some other group or entity.

Volunteer money isn't going to work either .....

 

Let those who partake in after school programs fund it then.  The education system is a black hole when it comes to funding.  The cuts have to start somewhere.


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 03:28 PM

 

Let those who partake in after school programs fund it then.  The education system is a black hole when it comes to funding.  The cuts have to start somewhere.

 

Then I want the 20+ years I have funded children in the schools here to get my money back.  I make more and my house is worth more than the "majority".  I didn't have a child go through the education here, so I paid for that child and at least more than 1-3 more than those who had 1+ children in the district and the programs.  

 

You want to send me a check for my overpayment?

 

Houses in Paulding with only 1 child costs us at least 2 children in the district for education.

You want those who don't pay for 2+ children in the schools to pay for after school programs?

There goes those programs .....  Not useful at all?


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 03:58 PM

 

Let those who partake in after school programs fund it then.  The education system is a black hole when it comes to funding.  The cuts have to start somewhere.

SMH. I thought Spicer was blind to reality but this is nuts. 


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 05:44 PM

Those poor kids just need to try a little harder, focus on school and not their empty stomach, get a job while their parents work until well into the evening, and be up bright and early in the morning ready for an pretend biscuit that will get them all through the day!

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 09:05 AM

Y'all do know that the parents pay for ASP, right? And woe be to those who are 1 minute late picking up the kid. 

It's been a couple of years, but I think our ASP programs are run by a group called Rainbow learning bridge or something like that. I know there was a big bruhaha over it when they took over. It didn't affect us because DS had moved on to middle school by that time. 


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Posted 31 March 2017 - 07:28 AM

Honestly, I thought the program was already removed and the users of the program pay for it today.


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Posted 31 March 2017 - 07:44 AM

 

Then I want the 20+ years I have funded children in the schools here to get my money back.  I make more and my house is worth more than the "majority".  I didn't have a child go through the education here, so I paid for that child and at least more than 1-3 more than those who had 1+ children in the district and the programs.  

 

You want to send me a check for my overpayment?

 

Houses in Paulding with only 1 child costs us at least 2 children in the district for education.

You want those who don't pay for 2+ children in the schools to pay for after school programs?

There goes those programs .....  Not useful at all?

You know a country is going to cheeze when the majority decide to stop assisting children and the elderly. It says so much that Trump cuts there first and his supporters cheer him on. Living in a community of commuters we will be hit particularly hard by any cuts. It is a no brainer that all of society is better off when children are in the school environment than left to their own devices until parents get home from work. Educating children is the best way my tax dollars are ever spent. When they eliminate corporate welfare and the abuses of the national defense budget we will see if we need to make cuts on the children and elderly. Until then NO!

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 11:44 AM

Honestly, I thought the program was already removed and the users of the program pay for it today.

DS is a junior in high school now, but when he was in elementary school and we used the ASP program we paid for it then. I always thought that it was a pay as you go deal. If I remember correctly I had to pay for the whole week (just like daycare) even if he was only going to be there for 2 days.


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Posted 31 March 2017 - 12:44 PM

DS is a junior in high school now, but when he was in elementary school and we used the ASP program we paid for it then. I always thought that it was a pay as you go deal. If I remember correctly I had to pay for the whole week (just like daycare) even if he was only going to be there for 2 days.


Yep, I had to pay too. I subbed at the school so mine weren't in it full time. I was able to pay as I went.

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 12:46 PM

Amazing to me that my family survived without all the "programs" available today.  I had a stay-at-home mom so no need for ASP.  We lived within our means and there was no need for 2 incomes.  Families stuck together through thick and thin - I know my parents had many opportunities to bail on each other and my brother and I but at the end of the day they had almost 50 years of marriage - by their choice.

 

I guess the dwindling values of America have us where we are today.


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Posted 01 April 2017 - 12:18 PM

As with much of the funding the Trupster is cutting, it is not necessarily the entire budget, but enough of a subsidy that the program will collapse without it.  Last I recall, the ASP was funded Federally, State, some local, and by the families using it. What you pay for a child to be there will NOT cover the accumulated costs.

 

Kind of like PBS and the Sesame Street Gang.  It is multilevel funding, but without the Federal subsidies, it will not survive.  And just how many of you learned to read and do math by watching Elmo, Big Bird and the rest of the charachters.  But we will increase military spending my just how many BILLIONS going into the pockets of the politicians via the Military Industrial Complex.  While we send Elmo to the Unemployment line.

 

There are one hell of a lot of working parents who will be faced with quitting their jobs if they lose ASP.  More for the Welfare roles.

 

And there will be a lot of unemployed government workers. EPA, AEC, USDA, FDA, CDC, and the lists go on.  Sure, shut down the EPA,......no sane rational business board of directors would ever allow a repeat of the ecological disasters at the hands of big business.  Love Canal, Lake Erie, Chesapeaque Bay. Chattahoochee River, .......come on. If you take away all the Chicken Coop Guards, the foxes will run rampant and kill all the chickens with no one to stop them.

 

Anti-Union, Child Labor Protection, dangerous job [applying chemicals without protection, "Do it or leave", using formaldhyde, Arsenic, and other such chemicals.  If no one is there to be the watch dog do you guys REALLY think this won't happen ? 

 

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Posted 01 April 2017 - 12:33 PM

Amazing to me that my family survived without all the "programs" available today.  I had a stay-at-home mom so no need for ASP.  We lived within our means and there was no need for 2 incomes.  Families stuck together through thick and thin - I know my parents had many opportunities to bail on each other and my brother and I but at the end of the day they had almost 50 years of marriage - by their choice.

 

I guess the dwindling values of America have us where we are today.

 

And that's the way it was and we LIKED IT !

 


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Posted 01 April 2017 - 01:57 PM

Amazing to me that my family survived without all the "programs" available today.  I had a stay-at-home mom so no need for ASP.  We lived within our means and there was no need for 2 incomes.  Families stuck together through thick and thin - I know my parents had many opportunities to bail on each other and my brother and I but at the end of the day they had almost 50 years of marriage - by their choice.

 

I guess the dwindling values of America have us where we are today.

I realize I had it made growing up, and lived as we might refer to as High on the Hog.  No, we did not have ASP, when the car pool dropped me off there was a maid, or a butler, or both at the house should I require their services.  And in the morning, they fed me and my siblings, and drove us on our car pool day, or someone else did.  We did not need the before school programs.

 

And there were 5 children, with a 16 year spread.

 

We also would on occaision walk, or ride bikes to school, 1 mile away at Christ the King, following West Wesley Road.  I would venture to say today, no mother in their right minds would let their kids do that. 

 

And we rode to Chastain Park, almost 5 miles away, .....up and down Peachtree in Buckhead, when we were little.....I mean like 7-8-9.  I remember well if there was something weird, of getting on the Oglethorpe, or Lennox bus in front of Christ the King, putting a dime in [which my teacher had given me] and going to the Doctor's Building at Pine and Peachtree when my dad's office was.  This would be generally for "events" like when my old dog died in the morning, and my parents did not want me coming home to learn of his demise with one of them not there.

 

But now tell me Freebird,......how many folks can really live like that today ?  The black maids were paid a pittance, .....$40 or $50 a week.  And they had to raise their kids on that with no one to look after them in the afternoon.

 

Was I "Blessed"? Hell yes, and I was sorry I was not able to provide as well for my kids.  But they did OK.  I sent them to school in Mexico and Brasil, and they are both Bi-Lingual.  They went to college, and would be further along in life had they not had to deal with the collapse in 2006.  But they got a well round education and I have taken them to Spain, Europe, Mexico, Brasil, etc.  They knew what the Barrios were when they were 10-11, and appreciated their house that much more.

 

But lets face it......we were able to live the way we did when I was a child because the South still had the Jim Crow Laws and had a sub-serviant work force that performed admirable jobs for chumpchange.

 

A work place "dilemma" was when my mom had to find a job for our old maid, when my Grandad married again after my Grandmother passed, and his maid of 30+ years, who raised my dad, had to come to work for us because my step grandmother already had a maid she was very happy with.  So Marie came to work for us until she died.

 

You CANNOT compare the 1950s, 60s, and 70s with today with this sort of stuff, unless you are going to go backwards and bring back segregation and its ill effects.


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Posted 02 April 2017 - 07:55 AM



As with much of the funding the Trupster is cutting, it is not necessarily the entire budget, but enough of a subsidy that the program will collapse without it.  Last I recall, the ASP was funded Federally, State, some local, and by the families using it. What you pay for a child to be there will NOT cover the accumulated costs.

 

Kind of like PBS and the Sesame Street Gang.  It is multilevel funding, but without the Federal subsidies, it will not survive.  And just how many of you learned to read and do math by watching Elmo, Big Bird and the rest of the charachters.  But we will increase military spending my just how many BILLIONS going into the pockets of the politicians via the Military Industrial Complex.  While we send Elmo to the Unemployment line.

 

There are one hell of a lot of working parents who will be faced with quitting their jobs if they lose ASP.  More for the Welfare roles.

 

And there will be a lot of unemployed government workers. EPA, AEC, USDA, FDA, CDC, and the lists go on.  Sure, shut down the EPA,......no sane rational business board of directors would ever allow a repeat of the ecological disasters at the hands of big business.  Love Canal, Lake Erie, Chesapeaque Bay. Chattahoochee River, .......come on. If you take away all the Chicken Coop Guards, the foxes will run rampant and kill all the chickens with no one to stop them.

 

Anti-Union, Child Labor Protection, dangerous job [applying chemicals without protection, "Do it or leave", using formaldhyde, Arsenic, and other such chemicals.  If no one is there to be the watch dog do you guys REALLY think this won't happen ? 

 

Crap on me once, shame on you. Crap on me twice, shame on me.  I see a lot of crap coming.

 

 

 

Sesame Street was sold to HBO last year :

 

https://thinkprogres...bo-e9634b34011d

 

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 08:54 AM

 

 

 

Sesame Street was sold to HBO last year :

 

https://thinkprogres...bo-e9634b34011d

 

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Production vs. distribution. Please tell us you understand the difference.



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Posted 02 April 2017 - 05:31 PM

 

 

And just how many of you learned to read and do math by watching Elmo, Big Bird and the rest of the characters.

Not me, my children, or grand children. I thank  God for that, because they would never have learned to read, or if they had they wouldn't have been on grade level if I had relied on creepy Elmo, and gang.

But, please do tell us why Sesame Street needs ( I know they have been sold to HBO) our tax dollars. Have you priced the merchandise for them?





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Posted 02 April 2017 - 05:41 PM

Not me, my children, or grand children. I thank  God for that, because they would never have learned to read, or if they had they wouldn't have been on grade level if I had relied on creepy Elmo, and gang.

But, please do tell us why Sesame Street needs ( I know they have been sold to HBO) our tax dollars. Have you priced the merchandise for them?

Never mind.



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Posted 02 April 2017 - 06:27 PM

You know we were at an all-time low when people are mad at Sesame Street. Maybe your kids didn't learn from it, but thousands of others do. And isn't that what we want? Underprivileged kids to have a chance to learn? How, in a logical world are we cool with Trump going on vacation every weekend and paying for his wife to reside elsewhere but not cool with programs that help children? seriously? On your way to church, do you ever stop and think to yourself that those who are in need matter just a little bit more than your political allegiance? Or maybe that love and compassion is reserved for the unborn only. Blows my mind.
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Posted 02 April 2017 - 06:38 PM

This is not just about Sesame Street. It's about educational Public Broadcasting, it's about school lunch programs, it's about children getting a decent education, the old and neglected getting a hot meal at the end of the day. It questions if our country has an ounce of decency left in it. 


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Posted 02 April 2017 - 06:39 PM

You know we were at an all-time low when people are mad at Sesame Street. Maybe your kids didn't learn from it, but thousands of others do. And isn't that what we want? Underprivileged kids to have a chance to learn? How, in a logical world are we cool with Trump going on vacation every weekend and paying for his wife to reside elsewhere but not cool with programs that help children? seriously? On your way to church, do you ever stop and think to yourself that those who are in need matter just a little bit more than your political allegiance? Or maybe that love and compassion is reserved for the unborn only. Blows my mind.


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Posted 02 April 2017 - 07:04 PM

Yeah, OK.  :fool:





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Posted 02 April 2017 - 07:43 PM

I think many of the members of this site have driven through Florida and seen the billboards. You know the ones, one where they are promoting sex at the next exit and the next condemning your own birth choice. It always strikes me as very, very strange.

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 05:10 AM

You know we were at an all-time low when people are mad at Sesame Street. Maybe your kids didn't learn from it, but thousands of others do. And isn't that what we want? Underprivileged kids to have a chance to learn? How, in a logical world are we cool with Trump going on vacation every weekend and paying for his wife to reside elsewhere but not cool with programs that help children? seriously? On your way to church, do you ever stop and think to yourself that those who are in need matter just a little bit more than your political allegiance? Or maybe that love and compassion is reserved for the unborn only. Blows my mind.

 

 

Charity is an act of love and compassion.

 

Taxation is the taking of money under threat of government force.


This is not just about Sesame Street. It's about educational Public Broadcasting, it's about school lunch programs, it's about children getting a decent education, the old and neglected getting a hot meal at the end of the day. It questions if our country has an ounce of decency left in it. 

 

 

This is about Community Development Block Grants, 

an ineffective program rife with cronyism and corruption.

 

But it's much easier to demonize than to debate the actual issue...

 

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 07:36 AM

 

 

Charity is an act of love and compassion.

 

Taxation is the taking of money under threat of government force.


 

 

This is about Community Development Block Grants, 

an ineffective program rife with cronyism and corruption.

 

But it's much easier to demonize than to debate the actual issue...

 

8)

It is called the general welfare clause.

​Block grants. So why are these block grants bad but the ones for the Trump-Ryan Plan good?



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Posted 03 April 2017 - 02:16 PM

Not me, my children, or grand children. I thank  God for that, because they would never have learned to read, or if they had they wouldn't have been on grade level if I had relied on creepy Elmo, and gang.

But, please do tell us why Sesame Street needs ( I know they have been sold to HBO) our tax dollars. Have you priced the merchandise for them?

The Sesame Street gang will still be around, but PBS will not be able to afford to pay the franchise fee.

 

So your kids did not utilize PBS and did not learn from their shows.  But there are 100 kids out there for each of yours who DID learn, and possibly got just enough of a leg-up to be able to adapt to the school work when they entered school.

 

For my generation we had the Cat in the Hat. For my dad's their was Uncle Remus.

 

The point is PBS accomplishes a lot of good for a reasonable cost. Whatever help we can provide for the children to do well in school needs to be encouraged, and where necessary to be paid for.

 

When my granddaughter moved back here from Mexico when she was 5, she had lost much of her English she had before they moved there.  PBS was very instrumental in her picking back up the English to the point she was able to do the school work, and has been a straight A student ever since.  She is 8 now and her English is perfect, as is her Spanish. She, like her mother, will be totally bilingual with no accents when she grows up, able to switch from one language to the other without missing a beat.

 

For the Trumpster to kill these programs, while spending a fortune on the military is being stupid.  A dumbed down generation will be of no help to the economy of the country.  Hell, they won't even be qualified for military service.


When you think they are ganging up against you....."Illigitimus non es carborundum"

#32 CitizenCain

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 02:38 PM

PBS with shows like Frontline and Nova give your average Republican deplorable a headache, they are more of a Keeping up with the Kardashians and Bachelorette crowd . 


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Posted 03 April 2017 - 04:25 PM

Wonder what Mr. Rogers would say.



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