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#41 Newbie in New Hope

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 12:20 PM

Great points Pubby, LPPT, mojo and Glassdogs.

 

I thought the same thing when I saw the video.  How the Chicken World 4 is selectively outraged at keeping the promises their worshippers like, but don't care about the promises that they don't.

 

We are hell bent on keeping a verbal promise made by Chairman Shearin, but not ok with keeping a written, legal promise (contract).  The hypocrisy of this made me think that maybe a reality show was being filmed to see who could possibly be gullible enough to fall for this, but then the applause reminded me.

Crafting your responses around hopeful applause lines from your worshippers makes you a great activist, but a terrible legislator.

 

Of the guys up there I know, they seem like good, decent men (on both sides of this issue).  I would defend them more if they could present to anyone ANYTHING that they have done in the past 2 years to help attract businesses with good paying jobs to Paulding.

 

The above comment about the housing industry is very thought provoking, and may be the "new normal" that we need to all accept.  That there is no plan for growth other than homes, low end retail, thrift shops and fast food.   When the forthcoming higher taxes on the homes push the lower income folks out of the county, then who is going to work in all these businesses?

 

Great debate on both sides.


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Posted 16 March 2017 - 01:04 PM

 

You mean I should start calling you 'comrade' and change my opinion of Putin from a crooked kleptocrat to savior of the western world because of his staunch support for white people against the Muslim throngs?

 

 

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Do you have a problem with that concept?


Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 16 March 2017 - 01:07 PM

I've come to the realization the issue is not the AIRPORT. The real issue is POWER. Power to control the county budget, power over every board, power over how every dollar of taxpayer money is spent. And the enemy is not the 5 Commissioners or those at the state level or federal levels. The enemy is those who are whispering in the elected offical's ears when no one is looking. I do not think any of our elected offical's are intentionally evil. But I think they would do much better if they were to build walls around themselves and block out those who are evil and whispering in their ears.

Especially the pillow talk variety.... :angel:



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Posted 16 March 2017 - 02:05 PM

 

Do you have a problem with that concept?

 

The concept, dogs, is genocide which has many stages.  The first stage is fostering indiscriminate hatred and distrust. 

 

Take this quote from a link in another topic:

 

 

“The white nationalist posters found on college campuses, including our own, contain detestable language that is an affront to who we are, and what we stand for, as the State’s flagship university,” University of Maryland President Wallace D. Loh said in a statement Tuesday. “As a community, we stand for excellence, diversity, and inclusion. We stand against all forms of ignorance and hate.”

 

I stand against all forms of ignorance and hate all the time everywhere I see it.  Being uneducated is a condition; being a bigot is a character flaw.

 

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 02:05 PM

Especially the pillow talk variety.... :angel:


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Posted 16 March 2017 - 02:57 PM

 

The concept, dogs, is genocide which has many stages.  The first stage is fostering indiscriminate hatred and distrust. 

 

Take this quote from a link in another topic:

 

 

I stand against all forms of ignorance and hate all the time everywhere I see it.  Being uneducated is a condition; being a bigot is a character flaw.

 

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Then,  I'd strongly suggest you "educate" yourself about the hatred fomented by those who believe the teachings of the Koran.   


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Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 16 March 2017 - 03:28 PM

Long ago I discovered that my power is at its peak when it is determining what I do, what I think and defining who I am.

 

We are all going to die, dogs ... and despite the obvious failings and hatred others ... I choose not to die with hate eating at me, in me or around me.

 

There are others ways other than hatred, bigotry to address the hatred and bigotry of others.  If you wish to accept their example as your guiding light; go for it I guess, but I think we all know there are more uplifting, spiritual examples to follow including those who counseled turning one's cheek and heaping gifts upon our enemies.

 

I hear you now wondering where I got that but I'll only say, if you don't know ....

 

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 04:15 PM

Long ago I discovered that my power is at its peak when it is determining what I do, what I think and defining who I am.

 

We are all going to die, dogs ... and despite the obvious failings and hatred others ... I choose not to die with hate eating at me, in me or around me.

 

There are others ways other than hatred, bigotry to address the hatred and bigotry of others.  If you wish to accept their example as your guiding light; go for it I guess, but I think we all know there are more uplifting, spiritual examples to follow including those who counseled turning one's cheek and heaping gifts upon our enemies.

 

I hear you now wondering where I got that but I'll only say, if you don't know ....

 

pubby

 

And the same guy who taught you (us) to turn the other cheek also took a whip to the money changers in the Temple.  


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Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 16 March 2017 - 05:41 PM

Great points Pubby, LPPT, mojo and Glassdogs.

 

I thought the same thing when I saw the video.  How the Chicken World 4 is selectively outraged at keeping the promises their worshippers like, but don't care about the promises that they don't.

 

We are hell bent on keeping a verbal promise made by Chairman Shearin, but not ok with keeping a written, legal promise (contract).  The hypocrisy of this made me think that maybe a reality show was being filmed to see who could possibly be gullible enough to fall for this, but then the applause reminded me.

Crafting your responses around hopeful applause lines from your worshippers makes you a great activist, but a terrible legislator.

 

Of the guys up there I know, they seem like good, decent men (on both sides of this issue).  I would defend them more if they could present to anyone ANYTHING that they have done in the past 2 years to help attract businesses with good paying jobs to Paulding.

 

The above comment about the housing industry is very thought provoking, and may be the "new normal" that we need to all accept.  That there is no plan for growth other than homes, low end retail, thrift shops and fast food.   When the forthcoming higher taxes on the homes push the lower income folks out of the county, then who is going to work in all these businesses?

 

Great debate on both sides.

There will be no problem with housing. There are grants out there to assist in the building of low rent and subsidized housing. We have a lot of areas that qualify for it. I just think everything should be up front.

 

The counties around us are seeing huge investment. We are not, there has to be a reason for it. My guess is we don't appear to have our cheeze together. Unless things have changed we are looked at by every company coming into the metro area. We are passed over by a lot. They don't go straight to one area and build there, they look around and ask questions.  It may be that we have taken the bedroom community so far that we can't get tax relief from large industries.

I guess it comes down to if you value a quiet bedroom community enough to pay the higher taxes and many do.


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Posted 16 March 2017 - 09:48 PM

There will be no problem with housing. There are grants out there to assist in the building of low rent and subsidized housing. We have a lot of areas that qualify for it. I just think everything should be up front.

 

The counties around us are seeing huge investment. We are not, there has to be a reason for it. My guess is we don't appear to have our cheeze together. Unless things have changed we are looked at by every company coming into the metro area. We are passed over by a lot. They don't go straight to one area and build there, they look around and ask questions.  It may be that we have taken the bedroom community so far that we can't get tax relief from large industries.

I guess it comes down to if you value a quiet bedroom community enough to pay the higher taxes and many do.

 

Could it be that our politicians have simply sold-out to moneyed interests in other counties who have an agenda of keeping this county out of game?

 

One might make that argument by simply pointing out that the CW4 refuse - and for no apparent reason - to ascent to the nomination of Harold Linnenkohl, former head of the Georgia DOT, whom Chairman Carmichael has nominated to the IBA.  They won't do it because they want to control the IBA and PCAA and they don't figure they can control him.

 

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 09:57 PM

"and they don't figure they can control him.

 

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And they would be absolutely correct about that.


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Posted 16 March 2017 - 10:03 PM

 

Could it be that our politicians have simply sold-out to moneyed interests in other counties who have an agenda of keeping this county out of game?

 

One might make that argument by simply pointing out that the CW4 refuse - and for no apparent reason - to ascent to the nomination of Harold Linnenkohl, former head of the Georgia DOT, whom Chairman Carmichael has nominated to the IBA.  They won't do it because they want to control the IBA and PCAA and they don't figure they can control him.

 

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To speculate that the CW4 are "on the take" would then mean that they are smart enough to actually negotiate a deal.   I'd really like to know who their puppetmaster is. 


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Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 16 March 2017 - 10:09 PM

Could it be that our politicians have simply sold-out to moneyed interests in other counties who have an agenda of keeping this county out of game?
 
One might make that argument by simply pointing out that the CW4 refuse - and for no apparent reason - to ascent to the nomination of Harold Linnenkohl, former head of the Georgia DOT, whom Chairman Carmichael has nominated to the IBA.  They won't do it because they want to control the IBA and PCAA and they don't figure they can control him.
 
pubby

I'm sending an email to my commissioner with a copy to Carmichael. If others would like to do the same, here is the website that lists their emails and phone numbers.



Oops, sorry wrong address, here the correct one.

http://www.paulding....tory.aspx?did=5
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Posted 16 March 2017 - 10:29 PM

 

To speculate that the CW4 are "on the take" would then mean that they are smart enough to actually negotiate a deal.   I'd really like to know who their puppetmaster is. 

 

 

I didn't say they were 'on the take.'  I would suggest they've been mentally co-opted to a train of thought that benefited from superior political strategy that helped them get elected and now they've got their job, will enable them to keep their job by aligning with the political machine that outside money interests legally built in the county.

 

While I would not assert any of these guys are on the take, I've seen enough in my time to remain vigilant to the possibility.  I.e. if you put me on the stand I would not swear to anything other than I don't know and that my level of surprise and disappointment would vary dramatically if any were on the take.  I would also note that all post positions are part time and that presumably all the post commissioners may get business that they wouldn't otherwise get if they weren't post commissioners who adopted the positions they have. 

 

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 12:09 PM

 

 

I didn't say they were 'on the take.'  I would suggest they've been mentally co-opted to a train of thought that benefited from superior political strategy that helped them get elected and now they've got their job, will enable them to keep their job by aligning with the political machine that outside money interests legally built in the county.

 

While I would not assert any of these guys are on the take, I've seen enough in my time to remain vigilant to the possibility.  I.e. if you put me on the stand I would not swear to anything other than I don't know and that my level of surprise and disappointment would vary dramatically if any were on the take.  I would also note that all post positions are part time and that presumably all the post commissioners may get business that they wouldn't otherwise get if they weren't post commissioners who adopted the positions they have. 

 

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I tend to agree.  I don't really believe that the Chicken World 4 are "on the take", although I would venture to guess that many of their contributors are.  Nothing illegal there, just my suspicion.

 

I think these guys are good men who just really like being elected officials.  They know who got them there, so they feel like they need to put on a show for their adoring audience every other Tuesday.

 

In fairness, I think all 4 of them would be absolutely fantastic Atlanta City Councilmen, as they always seem to have Atlanta's best interest as priority #1 and will fight tooth and nail to do what's best for Atlanta.  I just want someone to fight for us.


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Posted 18 March 2017 - 08:01 PM

All I can say is that I voted against all of them I could.   What a mess.

 

It's like Prez Trump but at the local level, the GOP out smarted itself again.


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 07:05 AM

and once again paulding made it on the news Dale Russell  was reporting on this issue. . 

 

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 10:31 AM

I've come to the realization the issue is not the AIRPORT. The real issue is POWER. Power to control the county budget, power over every board, power over how every dollar of taxpayer money is spent. And the enemy is not the 5 Commissioners or those at the state level or federal levels. The enemy is those who are whispering in the elected offical's ears when no one is looking. I do not think any of our elected offical's are intentionally evil. But I think they would do much better if they were to build walls around themselves and block out those who are evil and whispering in their ears.

You mean like their Constituents? That is who really whispers in the ears only it is more like screaming!


 
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Posted 28 March 2017 - 06:53 PM

100% speculation here, as I was not there, but it sounds like the Post 1 Commissioner had a tough time at his town hall last night. The grapevine says that folks other than the usual worshippers asked some tough questions, and were not happy with the answers  Again, all rumor mill speculation, as I was not there.  I'm sure the video will surface soon so we can all see it and draw our own educated conclusions.

 

I like the guy, but I like the idea of the CW4 being asked tough questions rather than always having their congregation follow them around and stacking the crowds with prepared questions.


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Posted 28 March 2017 - 09:54 PM

100% speculation here, as I was not there, but it sounds like the Post 1 Commissioner had a tough time at his town hall last night. The grapevine says that folks other than the usual worshippers asked some tough questions, and were not happy with the answers  Again, all rumor mill speculation, as I was not there.  I'm sure the video will surface soon so we can all see it and draw our own educated conclusions.

 

I like the guy, but I like the idea of the CW4 being asked tough questions rather than always having their congregation follow them around and stacking the crowds with prepared questions.

 

I was there.  Several people asked him to resign.  


Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 28 March 2017 - 11:27 PM

Glass dogs, can you give some more detail? I keep getting 2nd and 3rd hand info. I'd like to hear from someone that was actually there. I'm even hearing that the anti folks won't be posting the video since it is not flattering. I don't want to accept that as true until I hear it from someone who actually knows. For all the criticism against the CAVE folks, I've always thought of them as transparent. I can't imagine they'd show this type of hypocrisy, as they're smart enough to know that most folks will call them out for it and begin to start distancing themselves.
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Posted 29 March 2017 - 10:12 AM

There was a lady (her name escapes me) who called Davis out on his extra-marital affair with another well-known former political candidate from the area.  Saying that she guessed he wouldn't be running on family values and capitalizing on how cute his kids were.   Said that he was a disgrace and that he didn't represent the wishes of the population in Post 1, that he was listening to the "Paulding 6" and "pillow talk".   She demanded his resignation to several loud "amens" and applause.  

 

And it went down hill from there.  He was confronted with several double standards regarding appointments to various boards.  Claiming how the CW4 were "working with"  Dave Carmichael,  yet they blocked his appointment of Harold Lisicomb (not sure of the exact name), because Davis was "frightened" over potential conflict of interest.  There was a discussion about legislation requested of the State to define appointments to the PCAA and PCIBA.   Howard Maxwell has to introduce that under the Dome.   His proposed bill has the CW4 all upset because the Post Commissioners can appoint two members to the board, and the Chairman gets one appointment.  They want veto power over the Chairman's appointment.    And of course, Davis stood there and denied they would ever do such a thing...less than a week after refusing to confirm Carmichael's appointment of Lisicomb.   

 

He got his ass handed to him, basically.   Showed how totally inept and unprincipled he is.


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Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 29 March 2017 - 10:33 AM

There was a lady (her name escapes me) who called Davis out on his extra-marital affair with another well-known former political candidate from the area.  Saying that she guessed he wouldn't be running on family values and capitalizing on how cute his kids were.   Said that he was a disgrace and that he didn't represent the wishes of the population in Post 1, that he was listening to the "Paulding 6" and "pillow talk".   She demanded his resignation to several loud "amens" and applause.  

 

And it went down hill from there.  He was confronted with several double standards regarding appointments to various boards.  Claiming how the CW4 were "working with"  Dave Carmichael,  yet they blocked his appointment of Harold Lisicomb (not sure of the exact name), because Davis was "frightened" over potential conflict of interest.  There was a discussion about legislation requested of the State to define appointments to the PCAA and PCIBA.   Howard Maxwell has to introduce that under the Dome.   His proposed bill has the CW4 all upset because the Post Commissioners can appoint two members to the board, and the Chairman gets one appointment.  They want veto power over the Chairman's appointment.    And of course, Davis stood there and denied they would ever do such a thing...less than a week after refusing to confirm Carmichael's appointment of Lisicomb.   

 

He got his ass handed to him, basically.   Showed how totally inept and unprincipled he is.

 

The imminently qualified guy you're talking about is Harold Linnenkohl, former head of the GA DOT.

 

I looked at the Georgia General Assembly's legislative tracking page for bills sponsored by Howard Maxwell, Paulette Rakestraw, Kimberly Alexander, Micah Gravely, Bill Heath and Mike Dugan and I saw nothing that appeared to be the local legislation that the CW4 were demanding.

 

I think the insulting display by Todd in insisting that Carmichael second the motion for the law - which must rank as one of the most embarrassing moments in Paulding County Commission history - cost Todd and the CW4 in ways that will plague them for the balance of this term.

 

Bottom line, these guys need to understand the difference between opportunity and opportunism.  From the sounds of the "Davis Town Hall" ... he got a taste.

 

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Posted 29 March 2017 - 10:49 AM

Harold Lisicomb  = Former Georgia Department of Transportation Commissioner Harold E.Linnenkohl 

 

Mr. Linnenkohl is an engineer first. He approaches pretty much everything from the mindset of an engineer. But, the top of GDOT is/was/always will be, right at the center of politics in Ga. He was around that top for a very long time and knows just exactly how the sausage is made.  All that makes him a very hard man to steer.  If you're looking for someone to approach problems looking for practical solutions with an eye towards cost/benefit, he'd be my choice for about anything.

 

Just in the interest of full disclosure, I have worked under Mr. Linnenkohl. It was at a low enough level that unless he has the worlds best memory there's no way he would even remember my name. I do not hold him in this high a regard solely for that reason. Many others went thru that job that I wouldn't be predisposed to holler at should a bus be rolling at her.........ahem.......I meant him or her of course.


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Posted 29 March 2017 - 11:06 AM

 

The imminently qualified guy you're talking about is Harold Linnenkohl, former head of the GA DOT.

 

I looked at the Georgia General Assembly's legislative tracking page for bills sponsored by Howard Maxwell, Paulette Rakestraw, Kimberly Alexander, Micah Gravely, Bill Heath and Mike Dugan and I saw nothing that appeared to be the local legislation that the CW4 were demanding.

 

I think the insulting display by Todd in insisting that Carmichael second the motion for the law - which must rank as one of the most embarrassing moments in Paulding County Commission history - cost Todd and the CW4 in ways that will plague them for the balance of this term.

 

Bottom line, these guys need to understand the difference between opportunity and opportunism.  From the sounds of the "Davis Town Hall" ... he got a taste.

 

pubby

 

Apparently what the CW4 have is a proposed draft, nothing has been filed in the Legislature.   


Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 29 March 2017 - 11:10 AM

Harold Lisicomb  = Former Georgia Department of Transportation Commissioner Harold E.Linnenkohl 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you,  that's not a name that I easily remembered.    

 

What was funny was that Davis was "frightened" of a man with Linnenkohl's  qualifications.  Maybe because HL couldn't be "bought"?


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Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 29 March 2017 - 11:57 AM

From what I can see, it looks like the only "qualification" necessary to run for office with the support of the CW4 is, "do you attend our homeschool group?".

 

Everyone else is to be hated, slandered and mocked.


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Posted 29 March 2017 - 12:12 PM

As long as Davis remains opposed to the airport, other issues take a back seat with me.  I'll be leaving an about three more years, far away from Atlanta's noise, crime, high taxes and traffic. So if Davis can kick the can down the road on the airport until I'm up in the Smoky Mountains or down near the Florida panhandle, then more power to him. 


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Posted 29 March 2017 - 12:31 PM

Captain, I respect your conviction here. I'll challenge you with this, however. You are about the 3rd or 4th person that has written here or elsewhere some form of, "as long as they are opposed to be airport, everything else be damned".

I've always respected the way you guys grew a grass roots effort into a political power here in Paulding, but this revelation by many of you confirms many of our suspicions, that this is exactly how many of you feel. For many of us, where the airport is not he most important thing on our political check list, you guys are completely alienating us whereas before, we felt y'all should have a seat at the table.

I glanced through the recently released draft of the 10 year comprehensive plan last night. On more than one occasion, one of the conclusions was that the decisions made in the next five years will have good or terrible consequences for many years to come. Knowing that 80% of our leadership is only worried about one issue, and that their only qualification was that they all are part of the same homeschool group, concerns many of us that were on the fence, or, at least, respected yalls passion before.


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Posted 29 March 2017 - 12:45 PM

Captain, I respect your conviction here. I'll challenge you with this, however. You are about the 3rd or 4th person that has written here or elsewhere some form of, "as long as they are opposed to be airport, everything else be damned".

I've always respected the way you guys grew a grass roots effort into a political power here in Paulding, but this revelation by many of you confirms many of our suspicions, that this is exactly how many of you feel. For many of us, where the airport is not he most important thing on our political check list, you guys are completely alienating us whereas before, we felt y'all should have a seat at the table.

I glanced through the recently released draft of the 10 year comprehensive plan last night. On more than one occasion, one of the conclusions was that the decisions made in the next five years will have good or terrible consequences for many years to come. Knowing that 80% of our leadership is only worried about one issue, and that their only qualification was that they all are part of the same homeschool group, concerns many of us that were on the fence, or, at least, respected yalls passion before, greatly.
Captain, I respect your conviction here. I'll challenge you with this, however. You are about the 3rd or 4th person that has written here or elsewhere some form of, "as long as they are opposed to be airport, everything else be damned".

I've always respected the way you guys grew a grass roots effort into a political power here in Paulding, but this revelation by many of you confirms many of our suspicions, that this is exactly how many of you feel. For many of us, where the airport is not he most important thing on our political check list, you guys are completely alienating us whereas before, we felt y'all should have a seat at the table.

I glanced through the recently released draft of the 10 year comprehensive plan last night. On more than one occasion, one of the conclusions was that the decisions made in the next five years will have good or terrible consequences for many years to come. Knowing that 80% of our leadership is only worried about one issue, and that their only qualification was that they all are part of the same homeschool group, concerns many of us that were on the fence, or, at least, respected yalls passion before, greatly.

Each of us wants reasonable growth, low taxes, good schools, roads, good paying jobs, etc.  There's no doubt about that. But for the life of me, I cannot explain why folks think a commercial airport won't turn quiet peaceful Paulding into a cesspool like College Park or Riverdale. 

My wife grew up in Clayton County and got the heck out of there in the late 80's because of the riff raff.  Once quiet neighborhoods are now full of section 8, illegal immigrants, and dope dealers. Many shady businesses have opened up shop including pawn shops, weekly buy here pay here used car lots, fleabag motels, cash for gold, title loans  and so forth.  When that stuff comes into an area, it's headed downhill fast.  

 

I personally don't want that coming to my neck of the woods and if Davis, Pownell, Crowe and Collett can keeping the airport from going commercial a while longer, and try to minimize the growth of the above-mentioned types of businesses, then I'm all for it. 


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Posted 29 March 2017 - 01:02 PM

Each of us wants reasonable growth, low taxes, good schools, roads, good paying jobs, etc.  There's no doubt about that. But for the life of me, I cannot explain why folks think a commercial airport won't turn quiet peaceful Paulding into a cesspool like College Park or Riverdale. 

My wife grew up in Clayton County and got the heck out of there in the late 80's because of the riff raff.  Once quiet neighborhoods are now full of section 8, illegal immigrants, and dope dealers. Many shady businesses have opened up shop including pawn shops, weekly buy here pay here used car lots, fleabag motels, cash for gold, title loans  and so forth.  When that stuff comes into an area, it's headed downhill fast.  

 

I personally don't want that coming to my neck of the woods and if Davis, Pownell, Crowe and Collett can keeping the airport from going commercial a while longer, and try to minimize the growth of the above-mentioned types of businesses, then I'm all for it. 

 

I understand what you're saying Captain and, again, I respect it.  While whether or not we have an airport is not going to make or break us, I can tell you what many of us would like to have, but know we don't have it and will never have it from the CW4.

 

I want to know that my local leaders practically have a 2nd desk at the Economic Development office, constantly asking the director who they are courting and how can they help.  I want to hear that they are going on "pitch" meetings to visit businesses and industries that may be considering relocating here and selling our County, and selling the image that local leaders want them here, and that we are business friendly.  I want to be tripping over these guys at Chamber of Commerce events and see them sitting with different people, different business owners and asking, "what keeps you up at night that I may be able to help with?".

 

We don't have that.  We have 4 men, a few of whom have very limited capability or capacity to handle this type of role,  who were elected on one issue, and that one issue will keep them in office as long as they give their worshippers what they want.  They have no interest in anything else, since anything else would distract from their single objective.


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Posted 29 March 2017 - 03:22 PM

But for the life of me, I cannot explain why folks think a commercial airport won't turn quiet peaceful Paulding into a cesspool like College Park or Riverdale. 

 

 

What happened 30 plus years ago in the HJIA environs is largely attributable to the City of Atlanta Mayoralty.    

 

I recently flew in and out of Lambert Field in St Louis.   The  area generally looked better, not worse, than it did 30 years ago when I lived there.   The City of Bridgeton (where the airport is located) took charge of zoning and enforcement and has managed the area very well.

 

The fact that an area has turned into a ghetto is not directly attributable to the fact that an airport is nearby.   More likely the blame falls on corrupt, inept elected officials.  Can you say Bill Campbell?  Shirley Franklin?

 

Instead of seeing an opportunity for growth and development and saying "We got this!",  the CW4 has chosen to basically admit that they have no clue whatsoever about economic development (other than subdivisions) and are, by resisting growth and change, admitting their inability to actually manage and run a county.  


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Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 29 March 2017 - 05:11 PM

 

What happened 30 plus years ago in the HJIA environs is largely attributable to the City of Atlanta Mayoralty.    

 

I recently flew in and out of Lambert Field in St Louis.   The  area generally looked better, not worse, than it did 30 years ago when I lived there.   The City of Bridgeton (where the airport is located) took charge of zoning and enforcement and has managed the area very well.

 

The fact that an area has turned into a ghetto is not directly attributable to the fact that an airport is nearby.   More likely the blame falls on corrupt, inept elected officials.  Can you say Bill Campbell?  Shirley Franklin?

 

Instead of seeing an opportunity for growth and development and saying "We got this!",  the CW4 has chosen to basically admit that they have no clue whatsoever about economic development (other than subdivisions) and are, by resisting growth and change, admitting their inability to actually manage and run a county.  

 

The same thing could be said about Dulles International outside Washington, DC ... which is probably the closest example of what could happen if things really took off here.  The county that Dulles is in, in northern Virginia, was small like Paulding and, admitted, has grown.  The difference is that the improvements in ground transportation that came along with the planned large airport, ended up with the county in which that airport resides, makes it the number ONE county in the US in terms of average household income.  From the wiki:

 

 

Loudoun County (/ˈldən/ LOWD-ən) is a county in the Commonwealth of Virginia. In 2015, the population was estimated at 375,629,[3] making it Virginia's third-most populous county. Loudoun's county seat is Leesburg.[4] Loudoun County is part of the Washington–Arlington–Alexandria, DC–VA–MD–WV Metropolitan Statistical Area.

 

As of 2012, Loudoun County had a median household income of $117,876. Since 2008 the county has been ranked first in the United States in median household income among jurisdictions with a population of 65,000 or more.

 

Oh, and BTW, here is the population of Loudoun county since the time there was a census:

1790

  18,962   — 1800 20,523   8.2% 1810 21,338   4.0% 1820 22,702   6.4% 1830 21,939   −3.4% 1840 20,431   −6.9% 1850 22,079   8.1% 1860 21,774   −1.4% 1870 20,929   −3.9% 1880 23,634   12.9% 1890 23,274   −1.5% 1900 21,948   −5.7% 1910 21,167   −3.6% 1920 20,577   −2.8% 1930 19,852   −3.5% 1940 20,291   2.2% 1950 21,147   4.2% 1960 24,549   16.1% 1970 37,150   51.3% 1980 57,427   54.6% 1990 86,129   50.0% 2000 169,599   96.9% 2010 312,311   84.1% Est. 2015 375,629 [3] 20.3%

 

Notably, the airport was opened in 1962 and if you look at the Paulding population (below) you'll see that growth comes because of location, not because of an airport (Paulding's growth was nearly as rapid from 1990-2010).  However, our household median household income didn't grow like Loudoun county's economy.

 

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  2,556   — 1850 7,039   175.4% 1860 7,038   0.0% 1870 7,639   8.5% 1880 10,887   42.5% 1890 11,948   9.7% 1900 12,969   8.5% 1910 14,124   8.9% 1920 14,025   −0.7% 1930 12,327   −12.1% 1940 12,832   4.1% 1950 11,752   −8.4% 1960 13,101   11.5% 1970 17,520   33.7% 1980 26,110   49.0% 1990 41,611   59.4% 2000 81,678   96.3% 2010 142,324   74.3% Est. 2015 152,238 [5] 7.0%

 

It is obvious to anyone that looks at these things and doesn't simply react, the point that glassdogs made about the pattern of development that surrounded the airports in St. Louis, Washington DC and Atlanta were most probably the result of decision making by policy makers in the respective areas.  I just wonder if glassdogs criticism of Atlanta's mayors reaches back to Maynard Jackson, Ivan Allen Jr. and William B. Hartsfield.

 

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Posted 29 March 2017 - 05:26 PM

 

  I just wonder if glassdogs criticism of Atlanta's mayors reaches back to Maynard Jackson, Ivan Allen Jr. and William B. Hartsfield.

 

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Oh, Hell yes!   I just couldn't remember all their sorry names.   :rofl:


Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.





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