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#41 NewsJunky

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 06:09 PM

 

Assuming after years of fighting it in court the county wins the case.

The County who is fighting it has different folks deciding whether to continue the fight.....


 
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Posted 14 January 2015 - 06:10 PM

 

So it's a lose lose proposition as far as the taxpayers are concerned. 

 

 

Please let us all know the next time the government (any government) does something FOR the citizenry instead of TO them.


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I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 06:25 PM

Please let us all know the next time the government (any government) does something FOR the citizenry instead of TO them.


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Posted 14 January 2015 - 06:41 PM

 

So heres my question, is the airport issue over with now or are going to see years of long drawn out -and horrendously expensive- litigation ahead ? 

 

 

I was wondering the same thing...........


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So it's a lose lose proposition as far as the taxpayers are concerned. 

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I think so.



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Posted 14 January 2015 - 06:54 PM

 

 

I was wondering the same thing...........


 

 

I think so.

 

A spokesman for Propeller told WSB news that his company has a contract with the county and expects for it to be honored.


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Posted 14 January 2015 - 07:36 PM

I suspect he's pretty PO'd and will certainly have a case against the county but may have a case against Delta ... Monopoly and restraint of trade are the types of things that excite staff attorney's at the FTC and DOJ.

 

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 07:53 PM

 

Assuming after years of fighting it in court the county wins the case.

I have to believe that in two years we can replace the other two commissioners, David Carmichael and David Austin, That surely is  something to consider,.

 

Not going to continue much longer the citizens are getting restless about spending tax dollars for attorney fees. The airport authority has to pay their on way now since the last lame duck commissioners gave them the airport. Not sure how they can sue the county we only own the 163 acres that spans part of the runway on the eastern side.

 

July of this year when the budget is drawn up is when the chit hits the fan.


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Posted 14 January 2015 - 08:00 PM

 

A spokesman for Propeller told WSB news that his company has a contract with the county and expects for it to be honored.

I know of no contract with the county, The contracts are with the defunct Paulding County airport Authority


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Posted 14 January 2015 - 08:28 PM

I know of no contract with the county, The contracts are with the defunct Paulding County airport Authority


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Posted 14 January 2015 - 10:16 PM

 

A spokesman for Propeller told WSB news that his company has a contract with the county and expects for it to be honored.

Contracts made in in secret outside the county by liars and thieves 



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Posted 14 January 2015 - 10:40 PM

A spokesman for Propeller told WSB news that his company has a contract with the county and expects for it to be honored.


Yup. I saw the same report.
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Posted 15 January 2015 - 06:03 AM

A spokesman for Propeller told WSB news that his company has a contract with the county and expects for it to be honored.


The way I read the 2 leases & 2 agreements Propeller dba Silver Comet has 1 contract with the IBA & 3 contracts with the AA.
The AA wanted to be Independant of the BOC and devised the IGA and got it approved.
I wonder if Propeller dba Silver Comet sues the AA, then the BOC refuses to give the AA additional money to defend themselves, can an Authority in GA file bankruptcy?

We are certainly guaranteed to watch an exciting story unfold. I forecast we will watch this story unfold all the way to the Supreme Court in Washington, DC. Of course I've had this opinion long before Tuesday's BOC meeting.

I am also of the opinion with a rock solid business plan, a great PR firm on board, guaranteed protection of the neighbors, well planned town hall meetings and resulting overwhelming public support... Commercial planes could have been flying in and out by the end of 2013. But we will never know, because our leaders bought into the "Loose Lips Sink Ships" approach.
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Posted 15 January 2015 - 06:33 AM

That's correct, none of the contracts are with the county.  The contract with the IBA is for the Terminal lease and the 139 certification.  There is nothing stopping Propeller from going forward with the other three contracts.  There is a lease to develop 60 acres adjacent to the airport at a cost of 25¢ per sq ft, there is nothing stopping them from moving forward with MRO and the industrial park. That's where the jobs will be created.

 

(yes, that's only 25¢)

 

How many times have we been told by Brett Smith and Blake Swafford the 139 was only a SMALL part of this?


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 08:18 AM

Been wondering where the Naysayers for Anti Commercialization were.

 

I don't know if I can speak for Todd, but I can definitely tell you most of the anti commercialization people are indeed very pro-industrial/manufacturing growth. And as far as I know, Todd is also, just no more pouring piss [money money money] out of their boot trying to light the economic flame is not going to work.

 

CPR:

This is by far not the last salvo.....just the first of many to come.

 

Welcome to a new era for Paulding county.!!!!!

All that has happened is that the recent election has set PAULDING back 20+ years!  We have three "GOOD OLE' BOYS" now sitting on the Commission who only got elected by lies and out of county $$$ being pumped into the election!  Todd wants to be sitting in David's chair so bad he can taste it and we all know Tony also does as he lost soundly to David in a previous election for the Chairman's seat.  

 

Even WSB knows as they reported last night that DELTA and City of Atlanta $$$$ are behind the Anti-Airport group!  We have an opportunity with SIlver Comet Field to build and grow for the future, but instead dollars needed elsewhere in the county are being used to defend all these frivolous law suits.  

 

We all know your personal issues with the county and I don't think any of us would want to be in your situation or to have gone thru what you and your family has...BUT...that is one issue and this is another.  The county NEEDS this airport and I want to THANK the folks working behind the scene who are making sure it comes to fruition.  The FAA DOES NOT need the backing of the commissioners to finalize this deal and issue the certificate and you will see this shortly.

 

You are correct in one point...

 

Welcome to a new era for Paulding county.!!!!!


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 08:22 AM

Contracts made in in secret outside the county by liars and thieves 

No different that deals between Todd, Tony and Vernon designed to ambush David and take over the meeting!  


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 09:21 AM

That's correct, none of the contracts are with the county.  The contract with the IBA is for the Terminal lease and the 139 certification.  There is nothing stopping Propeller from going forward with the other three contracts.  There is a lease to develop 60 acres adjacent to the airport at a cost of 25¢ per sq ft, there is nothing stopping them from moving forward with MRO and the industrial park. That's where the jobs will be created.

 

(yes, that's only 25¢)

 

How many times have we been told by Brett Smith and Blake Swafford the 139 was only a SMALL part of this?

How much money has Propeller paid the County or any of the Authorities for this deal?  How much have they invested?


 
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Posted 15 January 2015 - 09:37 AM

All that has happened is that the recent election has set PAULDING back 20+ years!  We have three "GOOD OLE' BOYS" now sitting on the Commission who only got elected by lies and out of county $$$ being pumped into the election!  Todd wants to be sitting in David's chair so bad he can taste it and we all know Tony also does as he lost soundly to David in a previous election for the Chairman's seat.  

 

Even WSB knows as they reported last night that DELTA and City of Atlanta $$$$ are behind the Anti-Airport group!  We have an opportunity with SIlver Comet Field to build and grow for the future, but instead dollars needed elsewhere in the county are being used to defend all these frivolous law suits.  

 

We all know your personal issues with the county and I don't think any of us would want to be in your situation or to have gone thru what you and your family has...BUT...that is one issue and this is another.  The county NEEDS this airport and I want to THANK the folks working behind the scene who are making sure it comes to fruition.  The FAA DOES NOT need the backing of the commissioners to finalize this deal and issue the certificate and you will see this shortly.

 

You are correct in one point...

 

Welcome to a new era for Paulding county.!!!!!

 

It is time we stop this crap.  I think that since the former boc passed this behind the backs of the people

if any cost is incurred in in dropping the propeller contract should come out of their personal pockets.

I think if it was to go to court in a different county where they didn't own the judge and the lawyers it

would be found that they should be liable for the cost involved.  

Who appoints or elects the person who runs the chamber?   Is there a way to get her out?

Maybe if we all complain to the chamber's main office and if company's   that are opposed 

drop out it will get their attention and we can get them to quit telling lies.

Also if we all send a e mail to Brett Smith telling him how we feel it might get his attention.

That worked in one of the other county's, but what also worked was when some of the boc

went to jail.  I have sent him a e mail once telling him he just need to go away. 

 

 

STOP THE AUSTIN BROTHERS AIRPORT!


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 09:44 AM

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 11:08 AM

More And More reasons for ALL pending Litigation to be final before we spend another dime on this platinum asteroid. It's just pissing away good money after bad.
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Posted 15 January 2015 - 01:02 PM

All that has happened is that the recent election has set PAULDING back 20+ years!  We have three "GOOD OLE' BOYS" now sitting on the Commission who only got elected by lies and out of county $$$ being pumped into the election!  Todd wants to be sitting in David's chair so bad he can taste it and we all know Tony also does as he lost soundly to David in a previous election for the Chairman's seat.  

 

Even WSB knows as they reported last night that DELTA and City of Atlanta $$$$ are behind the Anti-Airport group!  We have an opportunity with SIlver Comet Field to build and grow for the future, but instead dollars needed elsewhere in the county are being used to defend all these frivolous law suits.  

 

We all know your personal issues with the county and I don't think any of us would want to be in your situation or to have gone thru what you and your family has...BUT...that is one issue and this is another.  The county NEEDS this airport and I want to THANK the folks working behind the scene who are making sure it comes to fruition.  The FAA DOES NOT need the backing of the commissioners to finalize this deal and issue the certificate and you will see this shortly.

 

You are correct in one point...

 

Welcome to a new era for Paulding county.!!!!!

CPR I really think the election will  move us forward.

 

I had a brain storm for you to mull over next  meeting the commissioners should pass a resolution that they are no longer a sponsor of the Paulding County Airport, and should  cease paying any tax dollars to the Airport Authority and the Industrial Building Authority.

 

The lame duck commission passed a Inter governmental agreement, which does not allow the commission to have any say so of the day to day operations of the airport.  

 

This agreement needs to be amended to include no more tax dollars will be spent on the airport. They should be required to provide their own bonds, and provide the dollars necessary to  continue any salaries, Maintenance, expansions etc. And since they voted to be a separate entity from the county should assume all cost associated with the day to day operations of the airport including the manning of the fire station, and FBO  operations


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 01:08 PM

CPR I really think the election will  move us forward.

 

I had a brain storm for you to mull over next  meeting the commissioners should pass a resolution that they are no longer a sponsor of the Paulding County Airport, and should  cease paying any tax dollars to the Airport Authority and the Industrial Building Authority.

 

The lame duck commission passed a Inter governmental agreement, which does not allow the commission to have any say so of the day to day operations of the airport.  This agreement needs to be amended to include no more tax dollars will be spent on the airport. They should be required to provide their own bonds, and provide the dollars necessary continue any salaries, Maintenance, expansions etc. And since they voted to be a separate entity from the county should assume all cost associated with the day to day operations of the airport including the manning of the fire station, and FBO  operations

 

I for one, don't think killing the airport is what is best for the county.

(not saying your suggestion would do that, but I do wonder)

We already have the airport here, to me the question is simple, "What can we do to make the airport self sustaining and hopefully make the county money; provide jobs, if possible; and have the least negative impact on our county and it's residents as possible, based on the return."  


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 01:10 PM

No different that deals between Todd, Tony and Vernon designed to ambush David and take over the meeting!  

I am so glad that Todd, Tony and Vernon stood up for the citizens of Paulding County


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 01:40 PM

No different that deals between Todd, Tony and Vernon designed to ambush David and take over the meeting!  

Big difference,.....When David asked for new items,Todd spoke right then.He did not keep something hid for over a year.He put everything in open right then.

Now,had he let David know earlier so David could put it on the agenda and David decided not to put it on the agenda,Todd might have been called out of order.



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Posted 15 January 2015 - 01:46 PM

 

I for one, don't think killing the airport is what is best for the county.

(not saying your suggestion would do that, but I do wonder)

We already have the airport here, to me the question is simple, "What can we do to make the airport self sustaining and hopefully make the county money; provide jobs, if possible; and have the least negative impact on our county and it's residents as possible, based on the return."  

I guess my post is unclear. I agree the airport is here, It is not going to go away. I do not ever recall saying the airport should go away.

 

The entire group as far as I know is for a general aviation airport complete with hangars, MRO operations and other type business that is compatible with the airport operations,

 

I will always maintain that since the airport was built , maintained, and ran using tax dollars then the Elected officials should have the final say so as to how it will  be ran

 

David Austin and the previous commission took this away and implemented a intergovernmental and stripped the commission from having any say so of how this airport will be ran and financed.

 

I believe this agreement is illegal, I do not believe that a prior commission can budget millions of tax dollars over the next several years and the current commissioners have to agree to continue these payments.

 

Remember this airport has been up and running since November 2008 and we still have not finished the Corporate hangar, and very few other things that would make this a first class general Aviation airport, even though several million Paulding County Tax dollars have been spent on the airport during this period of time.

 

We are in dire need of a major shake up in the make up of the Paulding County Airport Authority as well as the make up of the Industrial Building Authority.

 

What little I know about you by just reading your post, I am quite sure if you were running the airport Authority or the Industrialbuilding authority, You would of made some personnel changes years ago.

 

We need some first class people who know how to run these authorities appointed to these jobs

 

 Cobb County has probably the Best General Aviation airport around and the County Commission has to approve what happens at that airport, Our commission should also have final approval, since it is being maintained with our  tax dollars.


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 01:54 PM

Big difference,.....When David asked for new items,Todd spoke right then.He did not keep something hid for over a year.He put everything in open right then.

Now,had he let David know earlier so David could put it on the agenda and David decided not to put it on the agenda,Todd might have been called out of order.

I do not think that CPR understands Roberts Rule Of Order. there is a agenda item of old business and new business Todd added these agenda items under new business which is simply one way to add a item to be discussed.

 

Todd also asked the Chairman if he wanted to take a few minutes to read over the new agenda items, and he replied no. There was a good open discussion on the new agenda items.in front of the cameras and those that attended


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I oppose the airport expansion

http://www.savepauldingco.com/blog/

"And believe you me, if there was going to be airliners I would not be a part of this, never ever would I be a part of this"

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 03:04 PM

Big difference,.....When David asked for new items,Todd spoke right then.He did not keep something hid for over a year.He put everything in open right then.

Now,had he let David know earlier so David could put it on the agenda and David decided not to put it on the agenda,Todd might have been called out of order.

 

That is not true.  The election occurred back in May.  Todd was in collusion - quite likely in one-on-one meetings with the other commissioners as well as in noodle sessions with anti-airport folks who were developing or helping develop the strategies - from primary election night through 10am on January 13, 2015.

 

What we know for a fact is that this information was shared  with both Vernon Collette and Tony Crowe but not David Austin or Dave Carmichael.   Todd went to pains to deny that there was a violation of the open meetings law citing that it is permissible for him to meet with one or the other post commissioners but not both simultaneously; which is true.

 

I'm also aware of several people who have said that Vernon, possibly being the most cautious of the bunch, engaged a private attorney to advise him on these matters.  I think also that there is certainty in the notion that the three new commissioners had been in contact with the chairman to express their displeasure with Jayson Phillips as county attorney and that is why he was replaced for this meeting.  We can assume that Mr. Collette is paying for the services but I emphasize that is an assumption.

 

One of these days folks are going to realize that we need to institute a rule that says we lay things on the table for two weeks before we vote on them as a matter of course.  Then, of course, there would be no 'springing' things in slam bam, thank you mam lawmaking or ordinance passing.

 

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 03:53 PM

 

That is not true.  The election occurred back in May.  Todd was in collusion - quite likely in one-on-one meetings with the other commissioners as well as in noodle sessions with anti-airport folks who were developing or helping develop the strategies - from primary election night through 10am on January 13, 2015.

 

What we know for a fact is that this information was shared  with both Vernon Collette and Tony Crowe but not David Austin or Dave Carmichael.   Todd went to pains to deny that there was a violation of the open meetings law citing that it is permissible for him to meet with one or the other post commissioners but not both simultaneously; which is true.

 

I'm also aware of several people who have said that Vernon, possibly being the most cautious of the bunch, engaged a private attorney to advise him on these matters.  I think also that there is certainty in the notion that the three new commissioners had been in contact with the chairman to express their displeasure with Jayson Phillips as county attorney and that is why he was replaced for this meeting.  We can assume that Mr. Collette is paying for the services but I emphasize that is an assumption.

 

One of these days folks are going to realize that we need to institute a rule that says we lay things on the table for two weeks before we vote on them as a matter of course.  Then, of course, there would be no 'springing' things in slam bam, thank you mam lawmaking or ordinance passing.

 

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I never heard Tony's name mentioned in regard to any of the motions.  How do you know they were involved in the way you describe?


 
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Posted 15 January 2015 - 03:57 PM

 

That is not true.  The election occurred back in May.  Todd was in collusion - quite likely in one-on-one meetings with the other commissioners as well as in noodle sessions with anti-airport folks who were developing or helping develop the strategies - from primary election night through 10am on January 13, 2015.

 

What we know for a fact is that this information was shared  with both Vernon Collette and Tony Crowe but not David Austin or Dave Carmichael.   Todd went to pains to deny that there was a violation of the open meetings law citing that it is permissible for him to meet with one or the other post commissioners but not both simultaneously; which is true.

 

I'm also aware of several people who have said that Vernon, possibly being the most cautious of the bunch, engaged a private attorney to advise him on these matters.  I think also that there is certainty in the notion that the three new commissioners had been in contact with the chairman to express their displeasure with Jayson Phillips as county attorney and that is why he was replaced for this meeting.  We can assume that Mr. Collette is paying for the services but I emphasize that is an assumption.

 

One of these days folks are going to realize that we need to institute a rule that says we lay things on the table for two weeks before we vote on them as a matter of course.  Then, of course, there would be no 'springing' things in slam bam, thank you mam lawmaking or ordinance passing.

 

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Pubby there is no difference in the way Todd handled this resolution than the way David Austin handled the intergovernmental agreement that was passed last month, what is the big gripe ?

 

the Airport authority and the IBA passed a resolution to have Howard Maxwell introduce new legislation to make major changes in the IBA and the PCAA and was passed by the PCAA and was not on the agenda at all. 

 

This was brought to the attention of Tom Cable and he merely had it added as a afterthought. after it was already voted on and passed. To think that David Carmichael, Tommie Graham, And David  Barnett  new nothing about this intergovernmental agreement before the meeting  would really be a stretch of your imagination

 

Elections have consequences, the Majority rules in these meetings, There is no veto power, changes are coming and some folks are going to be upset and some are going to be happy.

 

I am so glad the new commissioners are doing what they campaigned on, If Austin had done the same thing we would not be in this mess


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 04:06 PM

So what about the other four commissioners knowing about the airport deal?  Was that collusion too?  Really, that's a stretch.  They're just pitching a hissy fit because they got thrown back at them what they have been doing for years.  That needs to stop!  We cannot and should not accept doing things the way they have been done in the past. 

 

The rein of intimidation and bullying has to end...........and I expect future business of the county to be handled in a professional, open, honest and transparent manner. 

 

The GOB network has to be busted up and exposed for what it is.  Their arrogance and narcissism is out of control  


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 05:01 PM

CPR I really think the election will  move us forward.

 

I had a brain storm for you to mull over next  meeting the commissioners should pass a resolution that they are no longer a sponsor of the Paulding County Airport, and should  cease paying any tax dollars to the Airport Authority and the Industrial Building Authority.

 

The lame duck commission passed a Inter governmental agreement, which does not allow the commission to have any say so of the day to day operations of the airport.  

 

This agreement needs to be amended to include no more tax dollars will be spent on the airport. They should be required to provide their own bonds, and provide the dollars necessary to  continue any salaries, Maintenance, expansions etc. And since they voted to be a separate entity from the county should assume all cost associated with the day to day operations of the airport including the manning of the fire station, and FBO  operations

And Legal Fees.

 

Belly up to the bar, pull up those big boy pants, and pay your own lawyers.  

 

I'd be willing to be THE FIRM would be far less contentious about jumping into unnecessary litigation instead of trying the sit down at the table and negotiate route if they had to wait for PROFIT from the Platinum Hemroid Asteroid [in lieu of Silver Comet] to get paid.


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 05:52 PM

I never heard Tony's name mentioned in regard to any of the motions.  How do you know they were involved in the way you describe?

Both David and Dave remarked this was the first time they had heard of this proposal. Tony didn't seem phased and didn't say he was unaware of it.  Rather I believe he was 'defensive' in the matter in that he knew what was happening and passed up a casual dining opportunity to avoid the image of impropriety.  He obviously knew something was happening and wanted to make sure that there wouldn't be a photo of the three of them dining (after the swearing-in ceremony.)
 

Pubby there is no difference in the way Todd handled this resolution than the way David Austin handled the intergovernmental agreement that was passed last month, what is the big gripe ?

 

the Airport authority and the IBA passed a resolution to have Howard Maxwell introduce new legislation to make major changes in the IBA and the PCAA and was passed by the PCAA and was not on the agenda at all. 

 

This was brought to the attention of Tom Cable and he merely had it added as a afterthought. after it was already voted on and passed. To think that David Carmichael, Tommie Graham, And David  Barnett  new nothing about this intergovernmental agreement before the meeting  would really be a stretch of your imagination

 

Elections have consequences, the Majority rules in these meetings, There is no veto power, changes are coming and some folks are going to be upset and some are going to be happy.

 

I am so glad the new commissioners are doing what they campaigned on, If Austin had done the same thing we would not be in this mess

 

So, what you are complaining about is the slam-bam, thankyou mam approach the commission has used since the days of the sole county ordinary  .... where a measure is introduced to the public at the 10 am work session and passed at the 2pm meeting.  If you recall that was the key effort I complained about and promised to end.  There was presumably some interest in that proposal but ... as the passage of the resolution requesting the withdrawal of the part  139 application ... it was, in this context, business as usual ... which is exactly what I assume would be the case.

 

So what about the other four commissioners knowing about the airport deal?  Was that collusion too?  Really, that's a stretch.  They're just pitching a hissy fit because they got thrown back at them what they have been doing for years.  That needs to stop!  We cannot and should not accept doing things the way they have been done in the past. 

 

The rein of intimidation and bullying has to end...........and I expect future business of the county to be handled in a professional, open, honest and transparent manner. 

 

The GOB network has to be busted up and exposed for what it is.  Their arrogance and narcissism is out of control  

 

But it wasn't the group you call the good old boys doing the slam bam, thank you mam 10a-2p two step into a new law... it was the guys who preached transparency that did it.  They could have allowed it to lay on the table two weeks or are you so worried they would change their minds in the interim that would be considered unacceptable ... or are they in your estimation that flaky?

 

There is no way you can characterize introducing a surprise measure at the morning work session and passing it at the 2 p.m. meeting as professional, open, honest or transparent.

 

That was the point of my campaign and , in that respect, the new commissioners are as disappointing as old.

 

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 06:12 PM

Both David and Dave remarked this was the first time they had heard of this proposal. Tony didn't seem phased and didn't say he was unaware of it.  Rather I believe he was 'defensive' in the matter in that he knew what was happening and passed up a casual dining opportunity to avoid the image of impropriety.  He obviously knew something was happening and wanted to make sure that there wouldn't be a photo of the three of them dining (after the swearing-in ceremony.)
 

 

So, what you are complaining about is the slam-bam, thankyou mam approach the commission has used since the days of the sole county ordinary  .... where a measure is introduced to the public at the 10 am work session and passed at the 2pm meeting.  If you recall that was the key effort I complained about and promised to end.  There was presumably some interest in that proposal but ... as the passage of the resolution requesting the withdrawal of the part  139 application ... it was, in this context, business as usual ... which is exactly what I assume would be the case.

 

 

But it wasn't the group you call the good old boys doing the slam bam, thank you mam 10a-2p two step into a new law... it was the guys who preached transparency that did it.  They could have allowed it to lay on the table two weeks or are you so worried they would change their minds in the interim that would be considered unacceptable ... or are they in your estimation that flaky?

 

There is no way you can characterize introducing a surprise measure at the morning work session and passing it at the 2 p.m. meeting as professional, open, honest or transparent.

 

That was the point of my campaign and , in that respect, the new commissioners are as disappointing as old.

 

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I watched thee entire video and having never attended a meeting I have to say I was surprised at how business this important and far reaching is decided, a motion-a second-and then a vote. Is this the way everything is handled ? No debate, no facts,no reason, no nothing just slam bam thankyou mam ?   

No wonder this county is in such a mess.


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 06:23 PM

I watched thee entire video and having never attended a meeting I have to say I was surprised at how business this important and far reaching is decided, a motion-a second-and then a vote. Is this the way everything is handled ? No debate, no facts,no reason, no nothing just slam bam thankyou mam ?   No wonder this county is in such a mess.


Watch the work session video. That's where most discussion occurs.

Go to the Stop Paulding Airport Facebook page and watch an IBA or AA meeting. There is only a meeting, no work session. The agenda will be printed "Approve _____" for each agenda item. The chairman will read each agenda item and 99 out of a 100 times there will be NO discussion, there will be a motion, 2nd then all members will vote yes. We had our airport given to Propeller dba Silver Comet. They can out of private executive session, and the motion was "Approve the silver comet agreement" they got a second and all voted yes. You can see our airport given away for 20 years with 2 10 extensions in 15 seconds.
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Posted 15 January 2015 - 06:30 PM

I look at it like a football play in which after a 50 yard run a running back gets down to the 1 yard line.But there is a flag on the play,too many men on the field.The ball comes all the way back to the line of scrimmage.There may have been a couple of guys hurt on the play and are out for the year.They paid a price to get where they are but it doesn't matter,they got caught cheating and must go back.



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Posted 15 January 2015 - 06:39 PM

Watch the work session video. That's where most discussion occurs.

Go to the Stop Paulding Airport Facebook page and watch an IBA or AA meeting. There is only a meeting, no work session. The agenda will be printed "Approve _____" for each agenda item. The chairman will read each agenda item and 99 out of a 100 times there will be NO discussion, there will be a motion, 2nd then all members will vote yes. We had our airport given to Propeller dba Silver Comet. They can out of private executive session, and the motion was "Approve the silver comet agreement" they got a second and all voted yes. You can see our airport given away for 20 years with 2 10 extensions in 15 seconds.

 

The only antidote for this is a governing culture that says, okay, good... we'll vote on it two weeks hence ... Let the news media ask its questions, present its stories and inform the public ... and then the public will have a week to mull it over and if they have influence on one of the board members, they can table it for another two weeks.

 

No surprises - it is called open, transparent government and the actions of the two new post commissioners and the chairmanwannabe - proved they are just a new edition of the same good old boys we've had all along.

 

 

I look at it like a football play in which after a 50 yard run a running back gets down to the 1 yard line.But there is a flag on the play,too many men on the field.The ball comes all the way back to the line of scrimmage.There may have been a couple of guys hurt on the play and are out for the year.They paid a price to get where they are but it doesn't matter,they got caught cheating and must go back.

 

It is not really cheating if it is not against the rules and the 'rule' here has been and, as is obvious from Tuesday's meeting, will continue to be that slam-bam thankyou mam lawmaking is still the rule.

 

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 06:40 PM

I look at it like a football play in which after a 50 yard run a running back gets down to the 1 yard line.But there is a flag on the play,too many men on the field.The ball comes all the way back to the line of scrimmage.There may have been a couple of guys hurt on the play and are out for the year.They paid a price to get where they are but it doesn't matter,they got caught cheating and must go back.

 

More like a hail mary. Sort of the let's pass it today and wait until tomorrow to see what happens approach ?


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 06:52 PM

Both David and Dave remarked this was the first time they had heard of this proposal. Tony didn't seem phased and didn't say he was unaware of it.  Rather I believe he was 'defensive' in the matter in that he knew what was happening and passed up a casual dining opportunity to avoid the image of impropriety.  He obviously knew something was happening and wanted to make sure that there wouldn't be a photo of the three of them dining (after the swearing-in ceremony.)
 

 

So, what you are complaining about is the slam-bam, thankyou mam approach the commission has used since the days of the sole county ordinary  .... where a measure is introduced to the public at the 10 am work session and passed at the 2pm meeting.  If you recall that was the key effort I complained about and promised to end.  There was presumably some interest in that proposal but ... as the passage of the resolution requesting the withdrawal of the part  139 application ... it was, in this context, business as usual ... which is exactly what I assume would be the case.

 

 

But it wasn't the group you call the good old boys doing the slam bam, thank you mam 10a-2p two step into a new law... it was the guys who preached transparency that did it.  They could have allowed it to lay on the table two weeks or are you so worried they would change their minds in the interim that would be considered unacceptable ... or are they in your estimation that flaky?

 

There is no way you can characterize introducing a surprise measure at the morning work session and passing it at the 2 p.m. meeting as professional, open, honest or transparent.

 

That was the point of my campaign and , in that respect, the new commissioners are as disappointing as old.

 

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Pubby They did what every county commission has done since day 1, To say that all of the previous commissioners  were not open honest and transparent is really a ssssssssssssssssssstretch of your imagination, surely you are not saying that?

 

There was more discussion on those items that was brought up and voted on Tuesday than I can remember in quite a while. Just because they failed to utilize a key element of your campaign does not make it not open honest or transparent

 

Austin and Carmichael   should  not take any of this personal the new commissioners are simply doing  what the voters elected them to do.

 

Elections do have consequences!!!!


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 07:08 PM

 

I watched thee entire video and having never attended a meeting I have to say I was surprised at how business this important and far reaching is decided, a motion-a second-and then a vote. Is this the way everything is handled ? No debate, no facts,no reason, no nothing just slam bam thankyou mam ?   

No wonder this county is in such a mess.

Here is the video of the meeting in which the airport was voted on to provide commercial passenger service, The voice you hear making the motion is Boyd Austin, I researched prior minutes and did not find any other mention of this any where. This is not a long video less than 2 minutes

 

 

 

https://www.youtube....d&v=FPPK8ukmPjM


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Posted 15 January 2015 - 09:49 PM

The only antidote for this is a governing culture that says, okay, good... we'll vote on it two weeks hence ... Let the news media ask its questions, present its stories and inform the public ... and then the public will have a week to mull it over and if they have influence on one of the board members, they can table it for another two weeks.
 
No surprises - it is called open, transparent government and the actions of the two new post commissioners and the chairmanwannabe - proved they are just a new edition of the same good old boys we've had all along.
 
It is not really cheating if it is not against the rules and the 'rule' here has been and, as is obvious from Tuesday's meeting, will continue to be that slam-bam thankyou mam lawmaking is still the rule.
 
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Pubby it might surprise you but I agreed with your idea of waiting till the next meeting to vote when you suggested it during the primary campaign and I still agree with you. However your idea has never been brought up for consideration (as far as I know). The question at hand is, if any rules or laws have been violated during this past meeting? Based on my observations during the past 15 months during BOC, AA & IBA meetings, they have not been violated this time. I do believe the subject of open meetings is the subject of one of our upcoming suits.

Now let's discuss open, ethical, honest and transparent dealings during 2012 & 2013. Please correct me if my memory is wrong...
• January 1, 2011 Todd Pownall was seated on the BOC.
• June 4, 2012 Gwinnett County BOC killed Propeller's Brisco Field proposal.
• Sometime shorty after June 4 Blake & Brett connected.
• Sometime in 2012 to 2013 at least 2 Paulding County Commissioner's were flying around the country looking at commercial airports (on Propeller's nickel?)
• October 24, 2012 60 Acre Land Lease was signed by Blake Swafford for the AA & Donald Bolia (sp?) for Silver Comet Partners.
• November 21, 2012 AA approved "Silver Comet Agreement" after returning from closed session with no discussion.
• November 28, 2012 Terminal Lease is signed by Blake Swafford for the IBA & ??? Moy??? for Silver Comet Terminal Partners.
• January 1, 2013 Dave Carmichael is seated on the BOC. Airport area is added to Post 2 Todd Pownall's Post.
• March 13, 2013 State of the County Address "more airport news to come".
• April 17, 2013 Engineering Agreement signed by Blake Swafford for the AA & Brett Smith for Silver Comet Terminal Partners.
• June 18 & 19, 2013 Secret Douglasville Retreat.
• October 3, 2013 Silver Comet Partnership public announcement.
• October 22, 2013 Bond Agreement signed by Calvin Thompson for the AA and Brett Smith for Silver Comet Partners. Of the 4 agreements this is the only 1 signed after the public announcement.

Pubby I've been told unofficially the $500,000 called out on page 4 of the Bond Agreement has never been deposited into the "Escrow Account" by Propeller or Silver Comet Partners... Can you verify this?
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Posted 15 January 2015 - 10:20 PM

 

More like a hail mary. Sort of the let's pass it today and wait until tomorrow to see what happens approach ?

 

Kinda like Obamacare... let's pass it to see what's in it.  


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