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#1 PUBBY

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 10:43 AM



The Paulding Board of commissioners voted unanimously to lower the millage rate on the taxable property in the county rolling back the tax rate to compensate for increased values.

The commission also did some other business including approving plans for the expansion of video surveillance on the Silver Comet Trail. Public support for that project in the wake of the savage and senseless beating of a resident on the trail in late July.

Early in the meeting the commission was given a report by the county's new Ambulance Service which took over EMS activities in January.

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 11:03 AM

Thanks Pubby.  Did they discuss what the reduction amount will be?

 

Of course, since the school board is the majority of the property tax, I won't be planning on running out and buying anything major with my savings.


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Posted 13 August 2014 - 11:21 AM

"Public support for that project in the wake of the savage and senseless beating of a resident on the trail in late July. "

 

Public support what? Waned? Grew? I'm sure it's the latter, but you're missing a verb here.

 

Also, you're missing a lot of details in your story. What's the millage rate now? What is the plan for video surveillance on the Silver Comet Trail (How many cameras, the cost, the timeframe, etc.)? Who is the new ambulance service, and why exactly did they take over EMS activities in January?


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Posted 13 August 2014 - 12:04 PM

Nice Green, I was videoing the event, not taking notes. I spent my time editing the video (hours).

The tax rollback was discussed and it wasn't much, a couple of mills at most, to offset the increase in the digest and avoid a tax increase... i.e. don't expect an increase in taxes due.

The support materialized for the expansion of surveillance on the SCT. The number of cameras, etc. will be increasing to as many as five or six times the number currently on the trail.

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 02:30 PM

Nice Green, I was videoing the event, not taking notes. I spent my time editing the video (hours).

The tax rollback was discussed and it wasn't much, a couple of mills at most, to offset the increase in the digest and avoid a tax increase... i.e. don't expect an increase in taxes due.

The support materialized for the expansion of surveillance on the SCT. The number of cameras, etc. will be increasing to as many as five or six times the number currently on the trail.

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Sorry, but posting a 70-minute video of the entire meeting doesn't qualify it as news. The hours you spent editing the video could have been spent on pulling out the pertinent information in a format that would better serve your readers.

 

You were begging for community support just a few days ago...wouldn't providing actual news have some value to your current and potential customers?


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Posted 13 August 2014 - 02:33 PM

The tax rollback was discussed and it wasn't much, a couple of mills at most, to offset the increase in the digest and avoid a tax increase... i.e. don't expect an increase in taxes due.

 

That will change depending on the valuation changes.   For instance, my valuation stayed close to the same, I suspect I'll see a small savings.

 

For those that had a large increase in value, their taxes due may still increase even with the millage drop.

 

Of course, with the universal ripoff that is escrow accounts, *I* won't see the savings for at least a year.   My bank will hold onto the savings interest free for a year.  :(


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Posted 13 August 2014 - 03:02 PM

Very interesting that there apparently no longer an subsidy for the ambulance service.


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Posted 13 August 2014 - 03:10 PM

Also love the paramedic in a box concept for supporting sporting events.


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Posted 13 August 2014 - 03:20 PM

 

Paulding.com - News * Information * Social Networking

 

Sorry, but posting a 70-minute video of the entire meeting doesn't qualify it as news. The hours you spent editing the video could have been spent on pulling out the pertinent information in a format that would better serve your readers.

 

You were begging for community support just a few days ago...wouldn't providing actual news have some value to your current and potential customers?

 

You say that after you folks spent years telling me that I ought to shut the hell up :)  I'm confused :)

 

Oh wait ... is this just the only way that you can criticize what I did meaning if I'd done what you asked then you'd have said I left something out for political reasons.  You know kind of like a lot of you criticize Obama for not getting involved in Syria and then when he does something, criticize him for that ... i.e. criticize what ever he does... Yeah, I get it :)

 

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 03:39 PM

M&O will decrease from 8.22 to 7.267 mils.  Everything else stayed the same except for state which went from .15 to .1 mils.  I would expect to see an increase in property tax assuming the value of the property increased.

 

Additional 123K for animal control based on staff input to enhance spay/neuter and adoption programs.

 

I agree that 2.5% charge to school system is a rip off I under stand that they just use it to help fund the tax assessor's office.


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Posted 13 August 2014 - 03:52 PM

 

You say that after you folks spent years telling me that I ought to shut the hell up :)  I'm confused :)

 

Oh wait ... is this just the only way that you can criticize what I did meaning if I'd done what you asked then you'd have said I left something out for political reasons.  You know kind of like a lot of you criticize Obama for not getting involved in Syria and then when he does something, criticize him for that ... i.e. criticize what ever he does... Yeah, I get it :)

 

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I don't know what "you folks" and "a lot of you" you're referring to, and I don't see how they factor into my criticism of you, nor do I see what Obama and Syria have to do with it.



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 05:07 PM

The tax rollback was discussed and it wasn't much, a couple of mills at most, to offset the increase in the digest and avoid a tax increase... i.e. don't expect an increase in taxes due.


My 100% Fair Market Value went from $66,600 to $82,750.
My 40% Assessed Value went from $26,640 to $33,100.

Simple math reveals my taxes last year of $806.71 will go to $986.14.
I guess I should be more appricative of the "Roll Back", without the "Roll Back" I would owe $1,027.33 this year instead of $986.14.

I guess we can apply Common Core math... Since I was paying $806.71 and now I am paying $986.14 instead of $1,027.33, I guess it really isn't a tax increase.
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Posted 13 August 2014 - 07:14 PM

Pubby -

 

I guess Just Green is a lot like I am.  As I mentioned to you years ago, I don't watch videos trying to pull the tidbits of useful information from them. My time is too valuable for that.   And that is true of video on CNN, the AJC, FoxNews, video product reviews as well as PCOM.  With very rare exceptions, I feel the written word is the best way to transfer information from one person to another.

 

Reading the Paper for an hour gets me MUCH more useful information that watching an hour of "Action News!"  At the least, I get to choose the stories that interest me rather than listen to whatever the director thought would hold an audience.   More often, the paper can go much deeper in depth to the story than the TV station trying to match the average viewer.

 

A quick summary of the meeting with important points covered laid out... now THAT would be an invaluable resource.

 

I appreciate you like video, but those hours you spend editing and cleaning it up are wasted on me.  I'll never watch it.

 


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Posted 13 August 2014 - 07:23 PM

I guess we can apply Common Core math... Since I was paying $806.71 and now I am paying $986.14 instead of $1,027.33, I guess it really isn't a tax increase.

 

You can blame the School Board and the Fire Tax for the majority of the increase. 


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 06:23 AM

You can blame the School Board and the Fire Tax for the majority of the increase.

First I think I can blame 2014 sales being used to establish the assessment values. The way I understand the law is 2013 sales should have been used to calculate assessment values.

Second I think I can blame our "Build it & they will come mentality". We sink millions into projects that lose many more millions. The Film Studio & Airport start my list.
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Posted 14 August 2014 - 06:51 AM

First I think I can blame 2014 sales being used to establish the assessment values. The way I understand the law is 2013 sales should have been used to calculate assessment values.

Second I think I can blame our "Build it & they will come mentality". We sink millions into projects that lose many more millions. The Film Studio & Airport start my list.

 

I don't know the details on the assessment process, so I can't comment on it.

 

However, I do suspect that the primary reason that the BOC rolled back the tax rates and didn't raise the revenue numbers for the general budget like they did for the Fire Tax and the School Board did for their budget is the continuing concern of the public on just those projects you mention and the costs behind them.  A rise in the county budget would have brought on increased calls for explanations of how those projects were "not costing the citizens a cent".

 

However, the majority of your tax bill is from the school board (approx 19 mils) and the Fire Tax (3 mils) both of which remained the same this year as last year, which with the increase in the county tax base, means *their* budgets will get a good size increase.  As I recall, the Fire tax was raised from 2 mil to 3 mil in the middle of the recession because the loss of revenue needed to be made up.

 

Since the state budget portion is very small and the county budget was what, 8 mils, last year?  the majority of the increase will be due to the school and the fire tax. 


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 07:11 AM

I don't know the details on the assessment process, so I can't comment on it.
 
However, I do suspect that the primary reason that the BOC rolled back the tax rates and didn't raise the revenue numbers for the general budget like they did for the Fire Tax and the School Board did for their budget is the continuing concern of the public on just those projects you mention and the costs behind them.  A rise in the county budget would have brought on increased calls for explanations of how those projects were "not costing the citizens a cent".
 
However, the majority of your tax bill is from the school board (approx 19 mils) and the Fire Tax (3 mils) both of which remained the same this year as last year, which with the increase in the county tax base, means *their* budgets will get a good size increase.  As I recall, the Fire tax was raised from 2 mil to 3 mil in the middle of the recession because the loss of revenue needed to be made up.
 
Since the state budget portion is very small and the county budget was what, 8 mils, last year?  the majority of the increase will be due to the school and the fire tax.


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Last year vs This year;
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Fire 3.1 vs 3.1 mils.
Cty Bond 2.22 vs 2.22 mils.
School 18.879 vs 18.878 mils.
State .15 vs .10 mils.
Again I say my tax bill will increase due to the increased assessment.
And any possible savings is wiped out by "Build it and they will come" mentality.
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Posted 14 August 2014 - 08:30 AM

 

You can blame the School Board and the Fire Tax for the majority of the increase. 

no, you can blame Oboma's improving economy providing increased property values......


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 11:16 AM

no, you can blame Oboma's improving economy providing increased property values......

 

LOL.  Don't know I agree about who is responsible, but agreed that increased property values are at the base of it.

 

However, the  BOC and School Board have the ability to bring down the Fire Tax rate and the School Tax rate but didn't.


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Posted 15 August 2014 - 06:54 AM

First I think I can blame 2014 sales being used to establish the assessment values. The way I understand the law is 2013 sales should have been used to calculate assessment values.

Second I think I can blame our "Build it & they will come mentality". We sink millions into projects that lose many more millions. The Film Studio & Airport start my list.

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I agree, Millions are being spent on projects that never have a chance at being successful  but rather will always be a drain on the tax payers pocketbook.

 

The airport and the film studio are only two of the ventures that has and will continue to cost tax payers millions in tax dollars to maintain and operate with no possibility of ever breaking even.

 

The scary thing about this entire budget this year is the FACT that the commission has agreed to use millions out of the reserve fund to balance the budget even though revenues will be increased this year due to increased valuations.

 

We have all experienced the tax increases from the previous administration, and have not forgotten that the new commission was forced to raise taxes in order to pay for the courthouse complex, green space, etc. because the previous administration dipped into the reserve funds to pay for their pet projects.

 

Less not forget that David Austin also has two pet projects the Airport and the Film Studio in which millions are presently being spent using tax dollars from the reserve fund to balance this years budget.

 

We have two authorities  totally out of control and the commission refuses to reign them in through the budget process. This can only lead to increased taxes once the reserve fund has been exploited beyond a sustainable level.

 

I am quite sure that when the November tax bills are mailed out a vast majority of the citizens will realize that they have been had again by a commission chairman who has not been honest and above board with them on tax matters.


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Posted 15 August 2014 - 07:08 AM

 
I am quite sure that when the November tax bills are mailed out a vast majority of the citizens will realize that they have been had again by a commission chairman who has not been honest and above board with them on tax matters.


You are exactly right. And at the same time let's remember one of our friends forecast... "don't expect an increase in taxes due".
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Posted 15 August 2014 - 07:21 AM

You are exactly right. And at the same time let's remember one of our friends forecast... "don't expect an increase in taxes due".

mojo413  If everyone will look at the example you posted above it will make them realize that higher taxes are coming in November and the School Board and the Fire Tax levy is not the only taxes affected, The County  M&O  and the Bonds will increase the taxes also if the valuations have increase on their property.

 

Heck do the math!!!!


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Posted 15 August 2014 - 01:42 PM

mojo413  If everyone will look at the example you posted above it will make them realize that higher taxes are coming in November and the School Board and the Fire Tax levy is not the only taxes affected, The County  M&O  and the Bonds will increase the taxes also if the valuations have increase on their property.

 

Heck do the math!!!!

 

It depends on whether the value increased more than the decrease in the mil rate.

 

Some will be higher, some will stay close to the same, some will be lower if the value stayed the same with the decrease in the mil rate.


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