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#1 zoocrew

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:49 AM

Anyone else looking forward to reading Lean In and gaining the insights into advances we've made? She argues we still have a long way to go but, thank the gods, we're getting there!

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:57 AM

Anyone else looking forward to reading Lean In and gaining the insights into advances we've made? She argues we still have a long way to go but, thank the gods, we're getting there!

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I saw her on GMA this morning. GAWD! She is like listening to someone drag their fingernails on a chalkboard. If her book is as mundane as her GMA interview was I would never be able to finish it. Might make a good sleep aid.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:08 AM

Women are already more powerful than men.

They have half the money and all the.......ummm...you know.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:51 AM

Women are already more powerful than men.

They have half the money and all the.......ummm...you know.


She was wanting to swap sex for laundry on GMA, so you must be onto something.

She would have to give up a lot more than doing laundry for me to have to listen to her non-stop mouth for that 30 seconds.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:08 AM

My 2 cents, what is holding women back is that it is down right impossible to be both a good wife and mother and a successful business woman. Therefore women are required to make a choice at some point in their life as to which path they want to go down. A man is never asked about how having children will affect his work life. Unless you are doing pretty financially well at the time you have kids, then it is very hard to find the time to take care of the children and work a grueling 40+ hour work week without extensive help with childcare and home chores.

When you have a two working parent household it just rarely falls equally on the mother and father to take care of children. Both my husband and I work full time, and we have 2 daughters 2 and under. When they can't go to daycare because of illness I keep them at home, when they have doctor appointments I take them. If I were trying to work my way up a corporate ladder those things would keep me back.

Our society has evolved into a two income society, and that has led to the downfall of the family structure. Someone needs to be there to focus on the needs of the children. We get it done as two income families, but we don't get it done well. Yes it's great that women can do everything men do, but at what cost? Maybe it would be truly evolved if we were thinking along the lines of encouraging men to do more of the domestic things in a family therefore making an environment where a woman could have a family and a career because of her spouses support with the homefront. That would be true gender equality.

It's nice to think that we as women can have it all, and we can, we just can't be great at any of it. Because those of us working moms with kids feel like when we're at work we're letting our kids down, and when we focus on our kids we're falling behind at work. Wouldn't it be nice if men felt that same pressure.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:10 AM

She was wanting to swap sex for laundry on GMA, so you must be onto something.

She would have to give up a lot more than doing laundry for me to have to listen to her non-stop mouth for that 30 seconds.


I was going to suggest stuffing something down her throat to shut her up. Then I went and saw her photo on-line. Ummmmm....nevermind.

Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:44 AM

Anyone else looking forward to reading Lean In and gaining the insights into advances we've made? She argues we still have a long way to go but, thank the gods, we're getting there!

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Not going to waste my time. Women can do anything hey want to do - they just have to want it bad enough. She's just trying to make a few bucks off all the women that wallow in their own insecurities and make the choice to believe that they can't accomplish everything they want because they're still being held down by some imaginary glass ceiling.

Bottom line, women are emotional and we will always grapple with the "home-maker" and "money-maker" roles...we need to stick a tampon in it and decide what we want and go for it.

If you want to be a mom, you probably shouldn't also try to be a CEO - at least not at the same time...but there's no reason why you can't pursue large working world dreams once your children become self-sufficient. There is a balance to be had.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:46 AM

Not going to waste my time. Women can do anything hey want to do - they just have to want it bad enough. She's just trying to make a few bucks off all the women that wallow in their own insecurities and make the choice to believe that they can't accomplish everything they want because they're still being held down by some imaginary glass ceiling.

Bottom line, women are emotional and we will always grapple with the "home-maker" and "money-maker" roles...we need to stick a tampon in it and decide what we want and go for it.

If you want to be a mom, you probably shouldn't also try to be a CEO - at least not at the same time...but there's no reason why you can't pursue large working world dreams once your children become self-sufficient. There is a balance to be had.


^This^

Well stated

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:52 AM

What is holding women back is lack of affordable high quality day care. I would be more impressed with Sandberg if Facebook had excellent onsite day care for all employees who need it. What is also holding women back is their failure to join unions. Corporations care about their stockholders more than their employees. Women CEOs are no different if they want to keep their jobs. I am far more interested in women running for public office and achieving parity.

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I couldn't agree more.



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From Rockysmom intended for me.

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To me hat is bat cheese crazy. Sorry if you don't see my point".


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:00 AM

What is holding women back is lack of affordable high quality day care.








I don't consider a stay at home mom to be "held back". I think it's the most honorable and respectable job a woman could have.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:02 AM

I am far more interested in women running for public office and achieving parity.



Yeah.

Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Michelle Bachmann, and our own GA statehouse representative all have pretty much poisoned the well.

If we are trying to achieve parity with STUPID, we are there. 8)

Edited to add: If Condi Rice were to run for office, I'd personally ring every doorbell in Paulding County on her behalf.

Edited by Glassdogs, 11 March 2013 - 11:04 AM.

Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:07 AM

What is holding women back is lack of affordable high quality day care. I would be more impressed with Sandberg if Facebook had excellent onsite day care for all employees who need it. What is also holding women back is their failure to join unions. Corporations care about their stockholders more than their employees. Women CEOs are no different if they want to keep their jobs. I am far more interested in women running for public office and achieving parity.

~Mary Joan Koch~




I couldn't agree more.



I dont know who this woman is, I googled...she's got a blog. Speaks volumes, remember friends, those that can't DO..."teach". And anyone with an internet connection and the ability to use Wordpress is a teacher.

Unions? If you need someone to protect or propel you in your chosen career, you're doing it wrong.

You see, women are their own worst enemies...we love the excuses. Men are just better at cutting out the excuses and getting on with it. Wipe your vag and get the damn job done. You don't need a union, there's plenty of child care available (or here's an idea, if you CANT afford daycare - don't get pregnant! Novel, eh?).

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:15 PM

I dont know who this woman is, I googled...she's got a blog. Speaks volumes, remember friends, those that can't DO..."teach". And anyone with an internet connection and the ability to use Wordpress is a teacher.

Unions? If you need someone to protect or propel you in your chosen career, you're doing it wrong.

You see, women are their own worst enemies...we love the excuses. Men are just better at cutting out the excuses and getting on with it. Wipe your vag and get the damn job done. You don't need a union, there's plenty of child care available (or here's an idea, if you CANT afford daycare - don't get pregnant! Novel, eh?).


I got her quote from the comment's under the article. Not only do I agree, but as a former union worker I do know all too well how women are treated. The union protected me when my children were chronically ill, and I had used up all vacation and sick days. The company wanted to give me discipline for my Doctor approved absences. The union proved my case, and had to remove all company actions from my record. Even with my child in critical condition at Scottish Rite PICU, I was threatened with discipline. I was an proactive in my own lawsuit against the company workers comp claim. The company tried their best to fire me, but to no avail. When summoned to go for an examination at the medical dept, the company tried to deny my union steward from going in with me. I was met at the gate with armed guards and my union steward was told to leave the property. The union steward was also my husband. They finally let him in because he had to clock in for work. I had an armed escort with two guards and the head of security, who apologized and was dumbfounded as to the situation. He and the guards had known me for almost twenty five years. I got to medical, and was told not to speak to anyone and I was to go into see the "doctor" alone.
They had no idea I had a spy writing down everything happening. She was also a shop steward. The company had to let my husband/shop steward in with me to see the "doctor". I informed them it is a federal crime to deny a person represented by a union representation, when the matter concerns possible discipline. The company tried to break federal laws, but I always stayed one step ahead by doing my homework, learning WC laws and more.
Oh, and promotion. EVERY man I worked with was promoted to salary positions. I was their LEADMAN! That means I should have been next in line for promotion. I was the senior worker with a top secret clearance, and the most experience, the only problem is I had kids. At that time I knew of only two women in my department who made salary. Both had no children.
I could keep on going with stories of the mistreatment of injured and women workers. I have a life and I have to get to it. Walk in someone else's shoes for a while. You may see thing in a different light.

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From Rockysmom intended for me.

"That insult was towards a person that I know for a fact to do things like drive bys at people's house's that they they have disagreed with.

To me hat is bat cheese crazy. Sorry if you don't see my point".


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:25 PM

I got her quote from the comment's under the article. Not only do I agree, but as a former union worker I do know all too well how women are treated. The union protected me when my children were chronically ill, and I had used up all vacation and sick days. The company wanted to give me discipline for my Doctor approved absences. The union proved my case, and had to remove all company actions from my record. Even with my child in critical condition at Scottish Rite PICU, I was threatened with discipline. I was an proactive in my own lawsuit against the company workers comp claim. The company tried their best to fire me, but to no avail. When summoned to go for an examination at the medical dept, the company tried to deny my union steward from going in with me. I was met at the gate with armed guards and my union steward was told to leave the property. The union steward was also my husband. They finally let him in because he had to clock in for work. I had an armed escort with two guards and the head of security, who apologized and was dumbfounded as to the situation. He and the guards had known me for almost twenty five years. I got to medical, and was told not to speak to anyone and I was to go into see the "doctor" alone.
They had no idea I had a spy writing down everything happening. She was also a shop steward. The company had to let my husband/shop steward in with me to see the "doctor". I informed them it is a federal crime to deny a person represented by a union representation, when the matter concerns possible discipline. The company tried to break federal laws, but I always stayed one step ahead by doing my homework, learning WC laws and more.
Oh, and promotion. EVERY man I worked with was promoted to salary positions. I was their LEADMAN! That means I should have been next in line for promotion. I was the senior worker with a top secret clearance, and the most experience, the only problem is I had kids. At that time I knew of only two women in my department who made salary. Both had no children.
I could keep on going with stories of the mistreatment of injured and women workers. I have a life and I have to get to it. Walk in someone else's shoes for a while. You may see thing in a different light.


So here's the 64,000 question...why in the hell did you WANT to work there? I can only imagine that you worked for the government, which is a whole different ballgame. Quite honestly, most of the folks I know in the government sector would never make it in the private sector - they need the safety net of regular salary increases based on time - not merit, and they need to know that there would be an act of congress for them to ever get fired.

Obviously, these folks aren't who the author is speaking of...government workers are the most limited people in the workplace. I loathe someone telling me that I can't achieve on my own time frame.

ETA: Glad it worked out for you in the end. We had a woman that had cancer last year. My company allowed her to work when she wanted, where she wanted and they paid her salary for the full 2years that she was in treatment (even though she often didn't work for weeks at a time).

Edited by dumbestgirlintheworld, 11 March 2013 - 12:28 PM.


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:33 PM

So here's the 64,000 question...why in the hell did you WANT to work there? I can only imagine that you worked for the government, which is a whole different ballgame. Quite honestly, most of the folks I know in the government sector would never make it in the private sector - they need the safety net of regular salary increases based on time - not merit, and they need to know that there would be an act of congress for them to ever get fired.

Obviously, these folks aren't who the author is speaking of...government workers are the most limited people in the workplace. I loathe someone telling me that I can't achieve on my own time frame.

ETA: Glad it worked out for you in the end. We had a woman that had cancer last year. My company allowed her to work when she wanted, where she wanted and they paid her salary for the full 2years that she was in treatment (even though she often didn't work for weeks at a time).


Great pay ,401k and benefits. Even though I had to sue t get them. I worked for a military contractor. Being a woman with kid IS what held me back. I had the knowledge to be promoted. I had to train the guys being promoted ahead of me.

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From Rockysmom intended for me.

"That insult was towards a person that I know for a fact to do things like drive bys at people's house's that they they have disagreed with.

To me hat is bat cheese crazy. Sorry if you don't see my point".


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:37 PM

I dont know who this woman is, I googled...she's got a blog. Speaks volumes, remember friends, those that can't DO..."teach". And anyone with an internet connection and the ability to use Wordpress is a teacher.

Unions? If you need someone to protect or propel you in your chosen career, you're doing it wrong.

You see, women are their own worst enemies...we love the excuses. Men are just better at cutting out the excuses and getting on with it. Wipe your vag and get the damn job done. You don't need a union, there's plenty of child care available (or here's an idea, if you CANT afford daycare - don't get pregnant! Novel, eh?).


That old saying has been changed a bit; "Those that can, DO. Those that can't, LEGISLATE." 8)

Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

 

 

I guess you haven't been to Detroit recently?  Or, Newark or East St.Louis or Gary, IN, or Stockton, CA?

 

You know, those bastions of liberal Democrat government that have been so successful in attracting wealthy, educated leaders and businesspeople.  Progressive people,  who have uplifted the poorer of their brethren, so their city can be that bright example of how well Socialism works.


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:40 PM

Great pay ,401k and benefits. Even though I had to sue t get them. I worked for a military contractor. Being a woman with kid IS what held me back. I had the knowledge to be promoted. I had to train the guys being promoted ahead of me.


Held you back from what? Let's face it, you were an hourly wage employee - I'm sorta doubting you were going to go from an hourly wage employee to a seven figure + earner in your lifetime - especially with a government contractor. Kids or no kids. The fact that you whined, complained and sued to get a 401K (that's likely worthless today )and benefits speaks to your limitations. Now, if you were talking about stock options or executive trusts, I would understand. Again, you're NOT the target audience for the OP's author.

If you work for the government, you're a cog - expect your yearly 2% pay increases and obligatory promotions and get over it. If you CHOOSE to work for the govenrment, you CHOOSE to be owned by it's governance.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 12:48 PM

Held you back from what? Let's face it, you were an hourly wage employee - I'm sorta doubting you were going to go from an hourly wage employee to a seven figure + earner in your lifetime - especially with a government contractor. Kids or no kids. The fact that you whined, complained and sued to get a 401K (that's likely worthless today )and benefits speaks to your limitations. Now, if you were talking about stock options or executive trusts, I would understand. Again, you're NOT the target audience for the OP's author.

If you work for the government, you're a cog - expect your yearly 2% pay increases and obligatory promotions and get over it. If you CHOOSE to work for the govenrment, you CHOOSE to be owned by it's governance.


All of this is beside the point. The point is your kid did hinder you (her), fair or not fair. Why should your emoloyer have to keep an employee who is limited at doing her job due to circumstances then getting an employee that can do the job without the added baggage?

Life isn't fair, and no one owes you any work. You either make your kid a priority at the expense of your job, or you make your job your priority at the expense of your kid. No one owes you anything.

We have the right to the PURSUIT of life liberty and happiness, not a guarantee that we'll get it.

Edited by STRAWMAN, 11 March 2013 - 12:48 PM.


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:09 PM

All of this is beside the point. The point is your kid did hinder you (her), fair or not fair. Why should your emoloyer have to keep an employee who is limited at doing her job due to circumstances then getting an employee that can do the job without the added baggage?

Life isn't fair, and no one owes you any work. You either make your kid a priority at the expense of your job, or you make your job your priority at the expense of your kid. No one owes you anything.

We have the right to the PURSUIT of life liberty and happiness, not a guarantee that we'll get it.


That's what I did. True, life isn't fair. Sometimes you have to be your own advocate. The only thing owed was the benefits in a legal contract agreed upon between the Union, and the company, and I had to fight for that.

Commercialization supporters are not informed. See Stop paulding County Airport of Face Book for the real news.

 

From Rockysmom intended for me.

"That insult was towards a person that I know for a fact to do things like drive bys at people's house's that they they have disagreed with.

To me hat is bat cheese crazy. Sorry if you don't see my point".


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:14 PM

Held you back from what? Let's face it, you were an hourly wage employee - I'm sorta doubting you were going to go from an hourly wage employee to a seven figure + earner in your lifetime - especially with a government contractor. Kids or no kids. The fact that you whined, complained and sued to get a 401K (that's likely worthless today )and benefits speaks to your limitations. Now, if you were talking about stock options or executive trusts, I would understand. Again, you're NOT the target audience for the OP's author.

If you work for the government, you're a cog - expect your yearly 2% pay increases and obligatory promotions and get over it. If you CHOOSE to work for the govenrment, you CHOOSE to be owned by it's governance.


Wow! Your screen name really does fit you nicely. Oh yeah, with OT I did make six figures. So I stood up for myself for what was right makes me a whiner? I should lay back and take it? You don't know me DGITW. You need to get over yourself. You really have no clue as to what your talking about.

Commercialization supporters are not informed. See Stop paulding County Airport of Face Book for the real news.

 

From Rockysmom intended for me.

"That insult was towards a person that I know for a fact to do things like drive bys at people's house's that they they have disagreed with.

To me hat is bat cheese crazy. Sorry if you don't see my point".


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:17 PM

Wow! Your screen name really does fit you nicely. Oh yeah, with OT I did make six figures. So I stood up for myself for what was right makes me a whiner? I should lay back and take it? You don't know me DGITW. You need to get over yourself. You really have no clue as to what your talking about.


Sheryl Sandberg makes $300,000 base salary plus $30,491,613 in FB shares. This book isn't for written for you (or I for that matter).

If you're leaning on a union to get you to this type of income level, you're the dumbestgirlintheworld.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:39 PM

Wow! Your screen name really does fit you nicely. Oh yeah, with OT I did make six figures. So I stood up for myself for what was right makes me a whiner? I should lay back and take it? You don't know me DGITW. You need to get over yourself. You really have no clue as to what your talking about.


She's not the dumbestgirlintheworld, just the girlwiththemostscrewedupideasofwhatmakesapersonworthy

Sheryl Sandberg makes $300,000 base salary plus $30,491,613 in FB shares. This book isn't for written for you (or I for that matter).

If you're leaning on a union to get you to this type of income level, you're the dumbestgirlintheworld.


If that's her target audience then I hope she doesn't hope to make a profit from the book.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:48 PM

If that's her target audience then I hope she doesn't hope to make a profit from the book.


That's the point...all the crossroads out there will go buy it, allow it to inspire them for a minute and a half, and ultimately concede that she's reached her glass ceiling because she had kids and there's nothing more she can do to captain her own ship. She'll spend middle age saying things like, "I wonder where my career would be if I didn't stop working to have children" or "I could have had XYZ, but I chose to have kids instead". When in fact women can and DO have both.

How many people do you think really implemented "Hope is Not a Strategy" and how many of them bought it because they wanted their boss to see it sitting on their desk?

A sucker is born everyday...

I don't think success lies in a dollar figure, but in the context of THIS BOOK and THIS THREAD, her audience is typical corporate america and yes, that success is defined by zeros.

Sorry, kiddo, if you thought all those people were working 80 hours a week for a pat on the back and a free ham at Christmas.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 03:06 PM

That's the point...all the crossroads out there will go buy it, allow it to inspire them for a minute and a half, and ultimately concede that she's reached her glass ceiling because she had kids and there's nothing more she can do to captain her own ship. She'll spend middle age saying things like, "I wonder where my career would be if I didn't stop working to have children" or "I could have had XYZ, but I chose to have kids instead". When in fact women can and DO have both.

How many people do you think really implemented "Hope is Not a Strategy" and how many of them bought it because they wanted their boss to see it sitting on their desk?

A sucker is born everyday...

I don't think success lies in a dollar figure, but in the context of THIS BOOK and THIS THREAD, her audience is typical corporate america and yes, that success is defined by zeros.

Sorry, kiddo, if you thought all those people were working 80 hours a week for a pat on the back and a free ham at Christmas.


They might think they do, but believe me they don't. Most of us are smart enough to realize it, some of us are living in a fantasy world.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 03:06 PM

That's the point...all the crossroads out there will go buy it, allow it to inspire them for a minute and a half, and ultimately concede that she's reached her glass ceiling because she had kids and there's nothing more she can do to captain her own ship. She'll spend middle age saying things like, "I wonder where my career would be if I didn't stop working to have children" or "I could have had XYZ, but I chose to have kids instead". When in fact women can and DO have both.

How many people do you think really implemented "Hope is Not a Strategy" and how many of them bought it because they wanted their boss to see it sitting on their desk?

A sucker is born everyday...

I don't think success lies in a dollar figure, but in the context of THIS BOOK and THIS THREAD, her audience is typical corporate america and yes, that success is defined by zeros.

Sorry, kiddo, if you thought all those people were working 80 hours a week for a pat on the back and a free ham at Christmas.



What is with all the hostility? You only know a very small part of my story. Are all people that make a stand for what is right by law beneath you? Especially women in the work place? I really thought more of you, and find it hard to believe you are so hostile towards me. I made more than my salaried counterparts who did not receive OT pay. I never complained about not being promoted, I did make the observation regarding the subject.
I am happy YOU do have it all.

Commercialization supporters are not informed. See Stop paulding County Airport of Face Book for the real news.

 

From Rockysmom intended for me.

"That insult was towards a person that I know for a fact to do things like drive bys at people's house's that they they have disagreed with.

To me hat is bat cheese crazy. Sorry if you don't see my point".


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 03:21 PM

What is with all the hostility? You only know a very small part of my story. Are all people that make a stand for what is right by law beneath you? Especially women in the work place? I really thought more of you, and find it hard to believe you are so hostile towards me. I made more than my salaried counterparts who did not receive OT pay. I never complained about not being promoted, I did make the observation regarding the subject.
I am happy YOU do have it all.


Ha! Don't.I.Wish.

But, as it was said earlier - we all have the RIGHT to PURSUE happiness. Pay taxes and die.

The rest, that's all up to US. The ONLY limits we have are the limits we place on ourselves. I hate it when blacks say that they can't do something because they're black, women because they had kids, handicapped people because they're missing a limb, you know why...because we have a black President of the US. We have TONS of women running the friggin WORLD - look up Zhang Xin. We have people without ARMS OR LEGS changing lives - look up nick vujicic.

Don't get me wrong, if you choose to work for the gubberment - an inherently limiting, blatently political organization, perhaps a union is a good CYA - but getting treated like sheeze (with or without kids) and I wouln't be sticking around.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 03:54 PM

Ha! Don't.I.Wish.

But, as it was said earlier - we all have the RIGHT to PURSUE happiness. Pay taxes and die.

The rest, that's all up to US. The ONLY limits we have are the limits we place on ourselves. I hate it when blacks say that they can't do something because they're black, women because they had kids, handicapped people because they're missing a limb, you know why...because we have a black President of the US. We have TONS of women running the friggin WORLD - look up Zhang Xin. We have people without ARMS OR LEGS changing lives - look up nick vujicic.

Don't get me wrong, if you choose to work for the gubberment - an inherently limiting, blatently political organization, perhaps a union is a good CYA - but getting treated like sheeze (with or without kids) and I wouln't be sticking around.


First off I was being sincere.
And where I worked was, and maybe still be a mans world. That sometimes is just how it is. Plain and simple. I did not work for the Government, I worked for a contractor for the government. I only stood up for myself and I won the judgement in a Court of Law proving my case. Are the Courts now wrong? Believe me, it was my last resort. I only wanted the surgery I needed due to a fully documented work injury that resulted in an anterior cervical discectomy and fusion. Leaving me with permanent nerve damage. I live with the pain everyday. I have never sought a disability claim. Though I would be sure to get one. Maybe when the pain becomes too much to live with I might. If I had the surgery when I first needed to have it, and didn't have to fight for it, I would have less damage to my nerves, according to the original neurosurgeon the company sent me to in the first place. Then the company promptly took the Dr off the WC Dr list. I was then sent to six more company Dr's who claimed I never had an injury. I stuck with the original Dr they sent me to see. He stood by me for two years. I credit him for saving my life. So, if that's wrong in your eyes so be it. No skin off my nose. I still don't get the attitude you have towards me. Oh well...

Commercialization supporters are not informed. See Stop paulding County Airport of Face Book for the real news.

 

From Rockysmom intended for me.

"That insult was towards a person that I know for a fact to do things like drive bys at people's house's that they they have disagreed with.

To me hat is bat cheese crazy. Sorry if you don't see my point".





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