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Some politicians tried to revive the incandescent bulb but the reality is that it is a dinosaur on its way to extinction.

 

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Regardless of what the politicians do or did to the bulb the fact remains that the companies had already started doing what businesses do. They saw the end due to BIG GOVERNMENT and started planning way in advance. Scheduling factories to be shut down and employees moved or let go. It matters not what the people wanted. And when the end date was reopened it was already too late for those businesses. Overseas manufacturers will begin production with their people and they will be the ones supplying the bulbs to those here that still want them. The market will always determine what people want, need and are willing to accept. So if I want a new 100 W incandessent bulb (after my stash has gone) I will have to get one made overseas by foreign workers.

 

God I love BIG GOVERNMENT!!

 

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Incandescent bulbs are horrible for photography in virtually every circumstance.

 

More importantly, they are obsolete technology and anyone who cries for them deserves to pay the $75 in energy cost that a compact florescent would deliver for $20.00 or LED would for $5.00.

 

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I tell you what, my mother used those butt ugly mercury bulbs that are hazardous to your health and a danger if broken, and I replaced more for her than I EVER did in my home.

 

They're expensive, ugly, with an un-natural light and dangerous.

 

I'll take my incandescent any day, especially from my stash and then I'll pay whatever it cost to get more.

 

And I was thinking it starts January 12.

 

I posted a topic and this year will be 100W. Then the rest will phase out next year.

 

And just so you know I hate LED lighting, especially the new Christmas lights. LOL

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Incandescent bulbs are horrible for photography in virtually every circumstance.

 

More importantly, they are obsolete technology and anyone who cries for them deserves to pay the $75 in energy cost that a compact florescent would deliver for $20.00 or LED would for $5.00.

 

pubby

Your figures are off; especially when comparing CFL vs LED. And you're not factoring in the high cost of LEDs.

 

Agreed that incandescent is ancient technology. However, no other type of bulb can be used so universally. I have used CFLs for years with good results because I educated myself on which type to use for good light and color retention. Unfortunately, most people don't know this, and manufacturers have not done a good of educating consumers. There is also a lot of junk bulbs on the market. That is why CFL's have gotten a bad rap.

 

LED is indeed the future of lighting. But it's still early in the game. There is much refinement to do, and prices need to come down. Most of the LED bulbs available in the home stores are lacking in light output. Better look at actual lumens before you buy.

 

Incandescent bulbs will go the way of the 8-Track. But they need to do so under market forces, not because of an ill-advised government mandate that will hurt business and cost the consumer big bucks.

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I tell you what, my mother used those butt ugly mercury bulbs that are hazardous to your health and a danger if broken, and I replaced more for her than I EVER did in my home.

 

They're expensive, ugly, with an un-natural light and dangerous.

 

I'll take my incandescent any day, especially from my stash and then I'll pay whatever it cost to get more.

 

And I was thinking it starts January 12.

 

I posted a topic and this year will be 100W. Then the rest will phase out next year.

 

And just so you know I hate LED lighting, especially the new Christmas lights. LOL

 

 

 

I'm with you on the led Xmas lights. HATE them.

and the compact fluorescents? holy crap they're so unnatural. having them in the bathroom really screws with trying to apply makeup.

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George Bush banned the incandescent bulbs in 2007. It was a good move. It brings us in line with the rest of the world on energy conservation.

 

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The banning of the the light bulbs are another reason that the people are

really starting to distrust the goverment and it' intentions and want the

EPA disbanded. if they can tell you what type of light bulb to use, then

they can start to tell you what other products to use or ban. only people

who dispies the marketplace and the right of comsumers to purchase what

products they want could posibly view the ban as a victory.

The way to start a dictatorship is to take away the small liberties first.

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George Bush banned the incandescent bulbs in 2007. It was a good move. It brings us in line with the rest of the world on energy conservation.

 

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At what cost though? A lot of our electrical power comes from renewable sources; so it's more an economic matter in our case than environmental.

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The banning of the the light bulbs are another reason that the people are

really starting to distrust the goverment and it' intentions and want the

EPA disbanded. if they can tell you what type of light bulb to use, then

they can start to tell you what other products to use or ban. only people

who dispies the marketplace and the right of comsumers to purchase what

products they want could posibly view the ban as a victory.

The way to start a dictatorship is to take away the small liberties first.

 

Guntrucker....

 

You make this sound like some kind of arbitrary move where booted thugs march into Home Depot and unload a few clips of automatic weapon fire into the light bulb section and leave with an Arnold figure saying, 'I'll be back.'

 

Not so. The light bulbs weren't banned, manufacturing is being phased out. Going back to 2007, George W. Bush sealed the agreement to phase the things out of production by January 1, 2012. You knew this and a lot of folks knew this and, for that matter, you can still purchase a 75 watt incandescent bulb as the first 'bulb' to be retired is the 100 watt.

 

Prior to 2007 the government was in talks with the light bulb manufacturers and literally negotiated the timing for the phase out with them. Hardly the act of a dictator.

 

And no, guntrucker, you don't have to sit on your porch with a grenade launcher to protect your stash of 100-watt incandescent bulbs from assault. Given their short life, reddish-tinted light and gross inefficiency, I can't imagine anyone besides a conservative and nostalgic Republican seeking to maintain the gloomy ambiance of a 19th Century Victorian mansion

 

But why do that when you could get a smaller wattage halogen bulb that will put out the same kind of so-called warm light and save you about 25 percent. Indeed, you can actually use scrims or gels to adjust the color of the other light sources.

 

Bottom line, it is not against the law to have or use 100 watt incandescent light bulbs. No one will come to your home or business and fine you or confiscate the bulbs. Simply, you wont be able to buy the blasted things at retail any more. The people who make light bulbs are on board with this and were involved in the process that began years ago.

 

I actually think folks like GWB just didn't think you'd care ... seriously.

 

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And no, guntrucker, you don't have to sit on your porch with a grenade launcher to protect your stash of 100-watt incandescent bulbs from assault.

 

Bottom line, it is not against the law to have or use 100 watt incandescent light bulbs. No one will come to your home or business and fine you or confiscate the bulbs. Simply, you wont be able to buy the blasted things.

 

pubby

 

 

Are you sure about that?

 

Some of you just can't wait until we become like Socialist Europe.

 

 

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I'm with you on the led Xmas lights. HATE them.

and the compact fluorescents? holy crap they're so unnatural. having them in the bathroom really screws with trying to apply makeup.

 

Megadittos on both. The LED Christmas lights look anemic, ESP. when people combine them with the older lights. I have CFLs in six fixtures; two have already burned out in less than a year. I can't wait for the rest to go out. I'm just thankful I'm not one of those unfortunate souls who has seizures triggered by flickering lights.

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I hate the mercury bulbs. Two weeks ago my boys were playing, and the baby ran into the table and a lamp fell onto his head. The bulb broke on his face and cut him. Poison control said to do nothing but clean the cut...

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Are you sure about that?

 

Some of you just can't wait until we become like Socialist Europe.

 

 

:rofl:

 

Tell you what, lowrider. First thing I want you to do is get an audio recorder.

 

Next I want you to get on the phone and call Tex (Paulding County Magistrate Judge) and try to get him to swear a warrant for me and former member for using a 100 watt light bulb ... I'll go and find one somewhere (I don't have the obsolete things myself) and put it in. What I'm expecting, though, is to hear him rolling on the floor laughing.

 

Then, I want you to call 511 for Atlanta get the number for both the US Attorney and the Federal Magistrate. See if you can get through to either of them and insist; I mean really insist on him enforcing this law. Hell, tell him you think you saw 100 watt lightbulbs still for sale at the Home Depot and you want them to investigate now! ...

 

Remember to record this and then bring it by and I'll put it up on youtube. This has the potential to be so funny it would go viral.

 

pubby

 

if they don't send someone to try and arrest you for

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Incandescent bulbs are horrible for photography in virtually every circumstance.

 

pubby

Not true....

 

"The two artificial light sources that photographers are most interested in are incandescent electric lamps and electric discharge devices such as electronic flash. Illumination from a light source reduces considerably over distance. The relationship between illumination and distance from source is explained by the "Inverse square law of illumination". For example if you double the distance then the illumination is reduced to a quarter of its original value."

Source:The Science of Photography

 

"Fluorescent lamps are not temperature radiators; the spectral distribution of energy is of a different kind for every make and sometimes more, sometimes less irregular. For this reason, shots taken with fluorescent lighting often have a color cast which can be of all shades depending on the type of lamp. This color cast is particularly unpleasant since it dominates the whole shot, super-imposing all colors. For the most part shooting with fluorescent lighting requires the use of filters to obtain the best result, while the blue content of radiation in light from an incandescent lamp is on the other hand very low, providing a much more desirable effect."

Source:Nikon School of Photography

 

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Tell you what, lowrider. First thing I want you to do is get an audio recorder.

 

Next I want you to get on the phone and call Tex (Paulding County Magistrate Judge) and try to get him to swear a warrant for me and former member for using a 100 watt light bulb ... I'll go and find one somewhere (I don't have the obsolete things myself) and put it in. What I'm expecting, though, is to hear him rolling on the floor laughing.

 

Then, I want you to call 511 for Atlanta get the number for both the US Attorney and the Federal Magistrate. See if you can get through to either of them and insist; I mean really insist on him enforcing this law. Hell, tell him you think you saw 100 watt lightbulbs still for sale at the Home Depot and you want them to investigate now! ...

 

Remember to record this and then bring it by and I'll put it up on youtube. This has the potential to be so funny it would go viral.

 

pubby

 

 

 

if they don't send someone to try and arrest you for

 

 

 

You're funny. Seriously.

 

I'll pass on the phone calls and the video but thanks for the invite.

 

Oh and there's no 100 watters at Home Depot or Walmart. I cleaned them out.

 

I've got a great stash but don't tell anyone.

 

And hey! Have a Merry Christmas. Seriously. :)

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The light bulbs weren't banned, manufacturing is being phased out. Going back to 2007, George W. Bush sealed the agreement to phase the things out of production by January 1, 2012. You knew this and a lot of folks knew this and, for that matter, you can still purchase a 75 watt incandescent bulb as the first 'bulb' to be retired is the 100 watt.

 

You can never give ALL of the facts, can you?

 

There WAS a bad on incandescent light bulbs. It wasn't a consumer ban, it was a manufacturing ban.

Up until the "on hold" it would have been ILLEGAL to manufacturer an incandescent light bulb.

Just because it doesn't apply to the ownership and use by a consumer doesn't mean it wasn't a ban.

 

I'll go and find one somewhere (I don't have the obsolete things myself) and put it in.

 

So, every light in your house is CFL or LED?

 

Every flashlight you own is LED?

 

Every light in your car is LED? (I know it isn't... I've seen your car and know for a fact it's not all LED's).

 

 

So, yes... you do, actually, have those "obsolete" things.

 

Incandescent bulbs are horrible for photography in virtually every circumstance.

 

 

It's obvious you're not a photographer!

 

That statement is about as false as you can get.

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You're funny. Seriously.

 

I'll pass on the phone calls and the video but thanks for the invite.

 

Oh and there's no 100 watters at Home Depot or Walmart. I cleaned them out.

 

I've got a great stash but don't tell anyone.

 

And hey! Have a Merry Christmas. Seriously. :)

 

 

Lowrider...come by the house and we'll compare inventories of 40, 60 and 100 watt INCANDESCENTS....

 

Hint: Buy 130 volt bulbs when you can find them...last much longer and normally the same price, often called 'Contractor' bulbs.

 

~FW~

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Hint: Buy 130 volt bulbs when you can find them...last much longer and normally the same price, often called 'Contractor' bulbs.

 

 

You can buy these from Harbor Freight...

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Lowrider...come by the house and we'll compare inventories of 40, 60 and 100 watt INCANDESCENTS....

 

Hint: Buy 130 volt bulbs when you can find them...last much longer and normally the same price, often called 'Contractor' bulbs.

 

~FW~

 

 

We should do that! LOL

 

I've been stashing the clear round ones for my bathroom and outdoor lights. Not the big round ones but like a standard bulb only clear.

 

Can you imagine those butt ugly corky ques in your beautiful master bath? I can't.

 

And my outdoor lights with the etched glass with a butt ugly curly q? I can't and I won't!!

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][Hint: Buy 130 volt bulbs when you can find them...last much longer and normally the same price, often called 'Contractor' bulbs.[/i]

 

They last longer because the filament doesn't "burn" as hot.

 

However, that makes them use more current and put out a more yellow light. Think a regular bulb on a dimmer.

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I tell you what, my mother used those butt ugly mercury bulbs that are hazardous to your health and a danger if broken, and I replaced more for her than I EVER did in my home.

 

They're expensive, ugly, with an un-natural light and dangerous.

 

I'll take my incandescent any day, especially from my stash and then I'll pay whatever it cost to get more.

 

And I was thinking it starts January 12.

 

I posted a topic and this year will be 100W. Then the rest will phase out next year.

 

And just so you know I hate LED lighting, especially the new Christmas lights. LOL

 

I'm stocking up on those time proven and reliable, bright incandescent bulbs.

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You can never give ALL of the facts, can you?

 

There WAS a bad on incandescent light bulbs. It wasn't a consumer ban, it was a manufacturing ban.

Up until the "on hold" it would have been ILLEGAL to manufacturer an incandescent light bulb.

Just because it doesn't apply to the ownership and use by a consumer doesn't mean it wasn't a ban.

 

 

 

So, every light in your house is CFL or LED?

 

Every flashlight you own is LED?

 

Every light in your car is LED? (I know it isn't... I've seen your car and know for a fact it's not all LED's).

 

 

So, yes... you do, actually, have those "obsolete" things.

 

 

 

 

It's obvious you're not a photographer!

 

That statement is about as false as you can get.

 

Pretty much every light in my house is a cfl ... I don't have many LEDs. I've purchased specialty cfl's (250 watt equivalents with 5500k daylight) and have a variety of 100-150 watt equivalent bulbs as well. I've been using CFLs pretty much everywhere I could for the last 20 years.

 

I can't remember the last time I bought the energy pit bulb in question - the 100 watt incandescent bulb. I think it was probably in the early 1990s at a going out of business sale. probably bought a dozen and I don't think I used them all. They may be on a shelf somewhere.

 

I'm sure I have an incandescent bulb in the car but so what. The car uses a closed 12 volt system and is 'off the grid'. Obviously the only time you really use a car light is when the car is running. The dynamic of that closed system doesn't mean if you had a choice of a LED and an incandescent; you'd get 10mpg with the incandescent and 20mpg with the LED.

 

Of course with an incandescent 100 watt bulb you get some warm light and a boat load of heat (90 percent of the energy of an incandescent bulb is converted to HEAT not light and heat is especially unwelcome in the summer). You can get the equivalent light of 100 watt incandescent from a 23 watt CFL.

 

True, I haven't been a photographer - i.e. a film jockey - for more than a decade although I have done darkrooms in four of my six decades. When I first started doing video at the old office, I did use the reveal (incandescent) floods ... but boy they were hot - so hot as to be unbearable in summer. I did replace them with cooler (5500k) 250 watt equivalent CFLs. More light, less heat, less expensive, more comfortable.

 

I do have some construction type halogen fixtures that I keep around in the new basement studio. I could use them for video but I typically use them when it gets cold. Halogens; which are an improved form of incandescent bulbs - and the type of bulbs I used to use for video in the 70s - are more efficient than standard incandescent bulbs. I still prefer the CFLs in my studio setup largely because they don't throw off so much heat.

 

I do have one of those 'chandeliers' at my home that uses the small incandescent bulbs with the small base that are shaped like a candle flame. Laurie has a special lamp that uses them too but the octopus lamp (many armed) I have in my office has CFLs. I turn the thing fixtures with the incandescent bulbs off when I see them on because I feel cheated in terms of the light v the cost of running them.

 

I haven't switched out the three sixty-watt lams in the fixture in the stairway at the office because they're still working and it is going to be a bit of a challenge to set up the ladder on the stairway. I did replace the three 60 watt bulbs in the three fixtures on the main floor in the office. Essentially, I put three 14 watt CFLs in each fixture - 42 watts of consumption per lamp - to replace 180 watts in incandescent lamps (three 60 watt fixtures).

 

Flashlights ... I only own one now - my autistic son has collects and destroys them routinely - is does have a LED lamp.

 

Finally, there are three flood lights that came with the office (and also two at the house) that remain incandescent lights. I don't plan on using them except on rare occasion and when they burn out - at the rate I use them this could be two or three years hence - I'll replace with them an efficient light source. Fact is, I'll probably replace all three when the first one fails.

 

I forget that I'm an early adopter of technology and have been using CFLs for most uses since the early-mid 1990s. On the photographic area, I've usually shot available light - when shooting film it was normally black and white that I pushed to 1600 asa. I always preferred florescent lighted locations (meeting rooms) as the overall levels were higher than the closets with a bare 60 watt bulb hanging on the wire from the ceiling. The rooms with florescents allowed for a exposure of between 1/30th to 1/60th at f 2.8 using the Olympus OM-1 with 28mm I typically carried.

 

When I was around TV in the 70s we were using halogen lights which I do differentiate from incandescent bulbs even though technically they are incandescent bulbs. (Because of their greater efficiency - they create more light and less heat than tungsten bulbs - they are not impacted by the law and you will be able to get a halogen bulb like the 100 watt bulb except it will be 72 watts.) Of course we were using film in 16mm Bolex camers with either a zoom or turret lens set (I liked the Canon scoopic but never had one) when doing TV in those days.

 

I think the last time I had a roll of tungsten balanced color film was the 1960s... and it was a single roll. I usually used black and white. In those days I was shooting with a 2-1/4 Rollieflex or a folding retina IIc. In 71 I picked up a Leica M3. Later I went with Olympus OM camera(s).

 

The last time I ran through a roll of 35 mm film - daylight color - was probably 1997 or 1998. I bought my first digital camera in 1997 and admittedly, I have to also admit that most of my photography in the old days was black and white news oriented efforts. They all seem so obsolete now.

 

I'm sure what you call photography and I what I call photography are two different things. So while I don't claim to be an Ansel Adams, I did take second in the largest weekly class in the Oklahoma Press Association better newspaper contest in 1976. The judges said, "from front to back, the Watonga Republican had the best photography in its class" -- and I took every one of the pictures. Whooptie doo - I was the editor of the thing too.

 

The real point is that I find incandescent light bulbs obsolete. To use them in summer in a house is stupid because of the heat they generate and if it is heat you want in winter, a light bulb on the ceiling is about as bad a place to put a heat source one can imagine. I have little to no use for incandescent light bulbs and have sought to eliminate their use for the last decade.

 

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George Bush banned the incandescent bulbs in 2007. It was a good move. It brings us in line with the rest of the world on energy conservation.

 

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"REAL LIBERAL POLITICS" :rofl: :rofl:

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Are you sure about that?

 

Some of you just can't wait until we become like Socialist Europe.

 

 

:rofl:

 

You are so right !!! And I think you replied to one.

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Every time I go to home depot I grab a few boxes of each kind. The way I figure I can sell them some day at a huge profit and retire. :rofl:

 

 

Ohhhhhh,, I didn't think about that.

 

On the black market.

 

Make a fortune!!

 

 

:rofl:

 

 

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Ohhuh, I didn't think about that.

 

On the black market.

 

Make a fortune!!

 

 

:rofl:

 

 

.

 

Pubby will want to buy several in order to see his computer. Be sure to charge him extra,

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Lowrider...come by the house and we'll compare inventories of 40, 60 and 100 watt INCANDESCENTS....

 

Hint: Buy 130 volt bulbs when you can find them...last much longer and normally the same price, often called 'Contractor' bulbs.

 

~FW~

 

I have no stockpile. Those things in my basement that look like light bulbs aren't light bulbs. I have no idea what you're talking about. :ninja:

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This is what will really happen...

 

Remember the federally mandated low-flush toilets? You have to flush them 3-4 times to make the crap go down, so you use more water than the old toilets. Now die-hard incandescent fans will use two 60's or 75's in place of a 100 watt bulb. So now they're using even more energy than before.

 

Good job, congress.

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I have no particular affinity for incandescent bulbs - but for now, they are the only reasonable priced dimmable solution that I'm aware of. Every fixture in our house save for garage and closets are on dimmers.

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I'm sure I have an incandescent bulb in the car but so what.

 

But so what? You specifically said you don't use incandescent.

 

Has no bearing on what the electrical load on the grid is, whether or not it's a closed system or not,

the fact is, you said you don't use them... but you do.

 

Of course with an incandescent 100 watt bulb you get some warm light and a boat load of heat (90 percent of the energy of an incandescent bulb is converted to HEAT not light and heat is especially unwelcome in the summer). You can get the equivalent light of 100 watt incandescent from a 23 watt CFL.

 

 

Uh... well, no, actually, the heat is converted to light... not the other way around.

 

And no, regardless of what you think, you cannot get the same light out put of a 100 watt incandescent as you do a CFL with less wattage.

Once again, you are showing your lack of knowledge.

CFL's produce a different light frequency than incandescent. That light frequency is picked up by our eyes better for longer distances.

This is easily proven with infrared goggles. It's all about the way you PERCEIVE the light... not it's actual output.

 

I do have some construction type halogen fixtures that I keep around in the new basement studio. I could use them for video but I typically use them when it gets cold. Halogens; which are an improved form of incandescent bulbs - and the type of bulbs I used to use for video in the 70s - are more efficient than standard incandescent bulbs. I still prefer the CFLs in my studio setup largely because they don't throw off so much heat.

 

Wait, again, you said you didn't use incandescent. Now you are saying you do?

 

I do have one of those 'chandeliers' at my home that uses the small incandescent bulbs with the small base that are shaped like a candle flame. Laurie has a special lamp that uses them too but the octopus lamp (many armed) I have in my office has CFLs.

 

Again... You said you don't use them and now you say you do?

 

I haven't switched out the three sixty-watt lams in the fixture in the stairway at the office because they're still working and it is going to be a bit of a challenge to set up the ladder on the stairway.

 

Oh, there's number three!

 

 

Finally, there are three flood lights that came with the office (and also two at the house) that remain incandescent lights. I don't plan on using them except on rare occasion and when they burn out - at the rate I use them this could be two or three years hence - I'll replace with them an efficient light source. Fact is, I'll probably replace all three when the first one fails.

 

Number four!

 

When I was around TV in the 70s we were using halogen lights which I do differentiate from incandescent bulbs even though technically they are incandescent bulbs. (Because of their greater efficiency - they create more light and less heat than tungsten bulbs -

 

WHAT????

 

Halogen throws off LESS heat than tungsten???? Whoa boy, you have your facts wrong all over the place.

Halogens throw off insanely MORE heat... And BTW, a halogen bulb USES a TUNGSTEN filament. Halogen is the GAS.

By changing the different types of gas that surround the filament, you can change the percieved light output and color.

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I'd rather deal with the nanny MIL than the nit picking of Nitro :)

 

pubby

 

PS: Nitro ... then by your definition of incandescent light bulbs, incandescent bulbs are not being banned as halogens remain in production as do other specialty bulbs. I do know I have not one - nada - standard 100 bulb - the type being 'banned' - in use anywhere.

 

PPS: Folks are welcome to use standard tungsten incandescent bulbs until they burn out. I suspect if you use them very rarely, the bulbs in use currently may well still be in operation when folks celebrate New Year 2100.

 

PPPS: I also feel that carborated OHV v-8 gasoline powered engines are also obsolete and headed for the junk pile of history ... that doesn't mean they aren't still in use and won't still be in use for another decade ... or that examples won't remain at classic car rides. But because they are more difficult to tune to limit emissions and get generally poorer gas mileage, they are effectively banned by the regulations calling for fuel efficiency and clean air. Those same regulations are what got the 100 watt light bulb. Same could be said about unbelted bias ply tires, VHS tapes and asbestos as an insulating material and fire retardant. But while no one is going to ban VHS tapes, there are now laws regulating and often banning the use of asbestos.

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PPS: Folks are welcome to use standard tungsten incandescent bulbs until they burn out. I suspect if you use them very rarely, the bulbs in use currently may well still be in operation when folks celebrate New Year 2100.

Oh, wow... thank you for giving us permission to use our incandescent lamps.

 

Typical liberal.

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If the incandescent bulb factories were union you can bet your sweet bippie that we would be knee deep in them until electricity became obsolete.

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