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#1 PUBBY

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 08:52 PM

Announcement of a clarification of the rules regarding the posting of photography on Paulding.com

It is obvious from the drama over the past week that the rules regarding the posting and commenting on photography are unclear and uncertain. This new rule will clarify the situation in black and white.

First, Paulding.com is a business. It obtains compensation for advertising and from the sale of specific classes of membership that allow specific membership levels license to advertise their services on the site.

As our goal is to avoid formal court action including the filing of complaints over theft of service under Georgia Law (OCGA: O.C.G.A. 16-8-5 ) and also clarify what is permitted under rules regarding general membership, we institute the following rules:

1. As a general rule, Professional photographers may not post any pictures or videos of their own creation unless they are a business member of the site. There are two exceptions to this rule:

A: The photograph posted is breaking news photos as News photos may be published on the site without prior prior permission and may be credited to the poster whether or not they are a professional photographer and regardless of their status as a business member on the site or not.


B. Professional photographers may post their own photo only as a reply to a topic in the photohounds forum or appropriate news forum that is in a topic devoted to entries in a contest. The contest topic would be the editorial focus of the topic and any posts/replies that divert from that focus will be set invisible. The contest entered could be a recognized state, national or local photography contest in which they entered for competition and or won an award.


Posts by third parties:

Those who have had a session with a professional photographer who is not a business member may only post photographs of their family ONLY by uploading the photograph in the post they make. Such photographs uploaded shall not be embedded - use of the IMG tag is prohibited - but must be uploaded to the original post in the manner that results in the presentation of the photograph in thumbnail form. The photography may carry the copyright note and stylized logo of the photographer in its normal unobtrusive position on the original photograph. The original poster will refrain from crediting the photographer in the text of the post and is prohibited from specifically recommending the non-business member photographer in the post in order to avoid the appearance of the posting being 'stealth' advertising. (Let the photographs and your presentation of them speak for themselves. You certainly may say that your kids look cute and that you are happy with the photographs but you should refrain from stating a formal recommendation of the photographer. I.e. the picture is great but asserting the photographer is great is something you can leave to the reader to surmise.) The photographer may not be mentioned in the text of the topic, nor may the photos link in any way to the professional photographers business or personal site. If the photographer's name is mentioned and given kudoos for the photography, the topic will be closed, and at the option of the moderators of the site, set invisible to avoid the issue of stealth advertising.

Regular members who are amateur photographers may post their photos provided the subject of sale of the photos or service are not referenced or discussed in any substantive way. Typically, the subject matter of the topic will not relate to practice of photography, but the focus of interest will be on the subject of the photographs. Artsy photography, where the subject is the photographic technique and artistic beauty of the photograph, may not reference the offering of services by the photographer. Such a reference will result in the closing of the topic.

Professional photographers who are PCOM business members may post their work as demonstration of the prowess in the photohound forums, the countywide news forum, the business news forum, and other appropriate forums. They may promote their business through the use of testimonial ads in which their customers speak of the work. The business license purchased from Paulding.com by those in this business explicitly provides them a license to present their work, obtain testimonials and gain accolades for their professional skills.

Answering recommendations for family photographers in posts. The current rule remains in effect. This would allow a member to recommend a non-business member on the site by name and general location (i.e. XYZ on Wendy Bagwell in Hiram or on Main Street in Dallas - no specific address.) . However, the recommendation may not provide the non-business member photographer's telephone number, web site link, map, detailed directions or map. The recommending member may provide that information via PM or email.

I hate to be this way but it is obvious the lack of clarity is causing issues, hurt feelings and the like. Allowing non-business members the opportunity to have a full recommendations including embedded pictures and specific recommendations dilutes the benefits of the premium business membership. As there are clear benefits premium membership and failure to establish and enforce those clear differences encourages questionable behaviors and also makes exercising sanctions against such behaviors more difficult to enforce formally, the institution of this new rule is unavoidable.

March 12, 2009




#2 jlh10101

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:05 PM

So, if I read this right, I as an amature photog can post pictures to show off as long as I am not tying to derive buisness from said pictures.
Also.
I as a professional remodeler can post pictures to adveritize so long as I keep my buisness membership.
Also.
If I am driving down the road and see a ligitimate news story I can still snap pictures of it and post them here.
anything else I need to know pubster?


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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:11 PM

QUOTE (jlh10101 @ Mar 12 2009, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, if I read this right, I as an amature photog can post pictures to show off as long as I am not tying to derive buisness from said pictures.
Also.
I as a professional remodeler can post pictures to adveritize so long as I keep my buisness membership.
Also.
If I am driving down the road and see a ligitimate news story I can still snap pictures of it and post them here.
anything else I need to know pubster?


*other than no pink, and flacid is ok sometimes* laugh.gif


I think that pretty much covers it ... although if it is a naked woman running down 278 in front of Carl Black, we may not force it into the tonk.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:13 PM

QUOTE (PUBBY @ Mar 12 2009, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think that pretty much covers it ... although if it is a naked woman running down 278 in front of Carl Black, we may not force it into the tonk.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:14 PM

::regretsreadingsomeofthis::
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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:18 PM

QUOTE (jlh10101 @ Mar 12 2009, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
biggrin.gif cool laugh.gif

Oh wait, carl black 'aint here no more. watchusaynpubby?
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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:29 PM

Couldn't you make it a little more concise, like JLH did? wacko.gif
And for the record, I am not/will not be in any way responsible for your child in any way, shape or form. You had this child, I did not. And if you get to judge me as a person then I get to judge you as a parent. ~Rockysmom (8/11/10)

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:33 PM

QUOTE (Madea @ Mar 12 2009, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Couldn't you make it a little more concise, like JLH did? wacko.gif

*keepingitealfothelittleman* cool.gif
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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:39 PM

Paulding.com attracting drama, soup chickens and Hitler-types claiming to be conservative republicans. Wave the flag and tell the gossip as we give up liberty.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:42 PM

QUOTE (Madea @ Mar 12 2009, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Couldn't you make it a little more concise, like JLH did? wacko.gif


Just follow the do-right rule and it won't make any difference.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:44 PM

QUOTE (twerp @ Mar 12 2009, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Paulding.com attracting drama, soup chickens and Hitler-types claiming to be conservative republicans. Wave the flag and tell the gossip as we give up liberty.

Interisting.



So chaos is better than a world with rules.

wanna start some fun twerp?
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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:44 PM

I have a date with some internet porn. Not tonight.
QUOTE (jlh10101 @ Mar 12 2009, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Interisting.



So chaos is better than a world with rules.

wanna start some fun twerp?



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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:45 PM

im. so. scared.......... please dont get them started. close topic-close topic......
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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:48 PM

QUOTE (twerp @ Mar 12 2009, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have a date with some internet porn. Not tonight.

huh.gif is than an admision or sarcasm? 15 will get you 20 dude.
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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:49 PM

Over 18 according to the website.
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huh.gif is than an admision or sarcasm? 15 will get you 20 dude.



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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:53 PM

QUOTE (twerp @ Mar 12 2009, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Over 18 according to the website.

Just don't agree to meet anyone, I have fun messing with you and I don't think they have the net in the penn. laugh.gif
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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:54 PM

These look fun. Should tick off a few Hitler-types on here too.



QUOTE (jlh10101 @ Mar 12 2009, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just don't agree to meet anyone, I have fun messing with you and I don't think they have the net in the penn. laugh.gif



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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:54 PM

Geeze, I am sorry Pubby. sometimes I just can't help myself.
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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:01 PM

I am so lost.....I give up, I won't even post pictures of my own kids. Truly its not worth the drama...y'all duke it out, I think everyone here knows who takes the purdiest pictures wink.gif



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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:17 PM

QUOTE (S-M @ Mar 12 2009, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am so lost.....I give up, I won't even post pictures of my own kids. Truly its not worth the drama...y'all duke it out, I think everyone here knows who takes the purdiest pictures wink.gif



:shrug:



Edited by CountMeOut, 18 March 2009 - 04:22 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:21 PM

QUOTE (TabbyCat @ Mar 12 2009, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks S-M!!

I know it's me, but I'm attempting to be modest about it.

(Seriously, with that post were you pointing at yourself? Because as much as I love your work, that was just plain snotty if you meant YOU. Seriously.)

Pride is a vice.

Anyway, Pubby, your post was as clear as a mud puddle. As usual.

If you're so trerribly frightened that someone might use your site to promote photography without paying the $100 or so for the "right" to do so, then disable pictures all together.

Never have I seen so much idiocity about people sharing pictures and whether or not someone is trying to get something for free.

Have you ever tried Fleets, Pubby?

I have no blockage problems, but I hear from others that Fleets works well.




Yep, I did mean me....seriously wink.gif Sorry if you feel its snotty of me to be proud of the skills I have worked VERY hard to aquire. Sorry if you feel that my track record of wins in various competitions doesn't speak for itself....but I do.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:30 PM

QUOTE (S-M @ Mar 12 2009, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yep, I did mean me....seriously wink.gif Sorry if you feel its snotty of me to be proud of the skills I have worked VERY hard to aquire. Sorry if you feel that my track record of wins in various competitions doesn't speak for itself....but I do.



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Edited by CountMeOut, 18 March 2009 - 04:15 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:32 PM

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:36 PM

QUOTE (TabbyCat @ Mar 12 2009, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yep, I do. I am not fond of those who win SMALL, LOCAL competitions and suddenly think they are photographer of the year.

You're excellent. But you aren't all that and a bag of candle wax.

You're good, you're local, and you're affordable.

Didya see that part, Pubby? About the affordable?

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Sorry, you got that wrong, I have also placed 2nd in a NATIONAL competition wink.gif I even sent Pubby the press release. That was back when I was a commerce member....he just didn't feel it was newsworthy for a pcom commerce member to have placed 2nd in a national competition :shrug:

So yeah, I am all that AND a ball of wax wink.gif

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:39 PM

If you're that damn good, get the commerce deal and just ask to be compensated by donations. Otherwise I don't want to hear the bitching. Add another to soup chicken to the kill file.
QUOTE (S-M @ Mar 12 2009, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry, you got that wrong, I have also placed 2nd in a NATIONAL competition wink.gif I even sent Pubby the press release. That was back when I was a commerce member....he just didn't feel it was newsworthy for a pcom commerce member to have placed 2nd in a national competition :shrug:

So yeah, I am all that AND a ball of wax wink.gif



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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:44 PM

QUOTE (S-M @ Mar 12 2009, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry, you got that wrong, I have also placed 2nd in a NATIONAL competition wink.gif I even sent Pubby the press release. That was back when I was a commerce member....he just didn't feel it was newsworthy for a pcom commerce member to have placed 2nd in a national competition :shrug:

So yeah, I am all that AND a ball of wax wink.gif



:shrug:

Edited by CountMeOut, 18 March 2009 - 04:14 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:44 PM

QUOTE (twerp @ Mar 12 2009, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have a date with some internet porn. Not tonight.

You mean a date with your right hand.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:47 PM

QUOTE (twerp @ Mar 12 2009, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you're that damn good, get the commerce deal and just ask to be compensated by donations. Otherwise I don't want to hear the bitching. Add another to soup chicken to the kill file.

there is that familiar phrase again, and the last part rings a bell too, I just can't quite place it.

Edited by jlh10101, 12 March 2009 - 10:48 PM.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:48 PM

QUOTE (jlh10101 @ Mar 12 2009, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
there is that familiar phrase again, and the last part rings a bell too, I just can't quite place it.

Really? I have no problem placing it wink.gif

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:49 PM

QUOTE (S-M @ Mar 12 2009, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yep, I did mean me....seriously wink.gif Sorry if you feel its snotty of me to be proud of the skills I have worked VERY hard to aquire. Sorry if you feel that my track record of wins in various competitions doesn't speak for itself....but I do.



We, women, do not toot our own horns enough!! You do a great job and should be very proud of all your accomplishments.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:50 PM

QUOTE (twerp @ Mar 12 2009, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you're that damn good, get the commerce deal and just ask to be compensated by donations. Otherwise I don't want to hear the bitching. Add another to soup chicken to the kill file.



Oh hell Moosehead, lets walk through the explanation again.

I had a commerce membership.

I decided I did not want a business.

I do NOT have time to run even a part-time business.

I cancelled my commerce membership....which by the way I never asked for, nor recieved compensation for the unused commerce membership months.

I still really enjoy taking pictures.

I am DONE with posting them on pcom, and I will ask anyone that I take pictures for, to not post them either.

The end.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:54 PM

QUOTE (Happy Wife And Mom @ Mar 12 2009, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Really? I have no problem placing it wink.gif

Ditto. ohmy.gif



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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:54 PM

Tabby:

I'm no more frightened of someone getting away with promoting their business without the proper licenses and permissions than is a retailer being worried about someone shoplifting good with a value of up to $499.00 (the cutoff point for a misdemeanor).

S-M:

I'm kind of sad about this SM. I wasn't eager to do this but after the conflict of the other evening and the one of this evening it just was obvious that the rule was unclear. Said differently, both the mods and I were having to spend way too much time trying to decide what to do in what was very murky water. This new rule clarifies things in the minds of the popo, if nothing else. And yes, it basically says that unless you have a news photo (which you probably won't share with pcom because you're so pissed over this new rule) or are participating in contest topic in the photohounds; if you're a non-commerce member pro, don't post.

It was simply easier to draw the line there than trying to come up with something else.

See, when there is not much in the way of clarity, I end up having to parse things.

That effort cost me a whole evening that would have been much better spent writing and editing the news. But then, I sense that was the motive of at least some of the folks feeding this controversy.

I will say that there may be some modification in the photohound forum but that would be based on that forum being password protected.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:55 PM

Sad day in p.com land. sleep.gif
And for the record, I am not/will not be in any way responsible for your child in any way, shape or form. You had this child, I did not. And if you get to judge me as a person then I get to judge you as a parent. ~Rockysmom (8/11/10)

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:55 PM

You took the payola. It was a donation. Still got paid. Doesn't matter if it is a commission or by the hour or by the job or by donation. Yoiu got paid. That is a business. Glad you enjoy the picture taking business that you only accept love offerings. Great. Don't want to hear about it anymore. File closed.
QUOTE (S-M @ Mar 12 2009, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh hell Moosehead, lets walk through the explanation again.

I had a commerce membership.

I decided I did not want a business.

I do NOT have time to run even a part-time business.

I cancelled my commerce membership....which by the way I never asked for, nor recieved compensation for the unused commerce membership months.

I still really enjoy taking pictures.

I am DONE with posting them on pcom, and I will ask anyone that I take pictures for, to not post them either.

The end.



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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:58 PM

QUOTE (twerp @ Mar 12 2009, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You took the payola. It was a donation. Still got paid. Doesn't matter if it is a commission or by the hour or by the job or by donation. Yoiu got paid. That is a business. Glad you enjoy the picture taking business that you only accept love offerings. Great. Don't want to hear about it anymore. File closed.

Psst, stop reading. tongue.gif
And for the record, I am not/will not be in any way responsible for your child in any way, shape or form. You had this child, I did not. And if you get to judge me as a person then I get to judge you as a parent. ~Rockysmom (8/11/10)

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Your judgments don't define me, they define you.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 11:07 PM

u neet 2 get sum deregluenation goin,, u2 many rules and fools hear;;

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 11:10 PM

QUOTE (carabella @ Mar 13 2009, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
u neet 2 get sum deregluenation goin,, u2 many rules and fools hear;;

You need help with the English language I think.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 11:10 PM

QUOTE (Madea @ Mar 12 2009, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Psst, stop reading. tongue.gif

Without creating drama in his own life, he wouldn't have a life at all. Apparently, we are all on the kill file. wink.gif
There is no such thing as freedom of speech anymore.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 11:11 PM

Dang... I know it is a full moon ... but just dang.

Why be so catty and dismissive toward each other. ... dang.

Civility is not that hard.

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PS: SM ... I didn't know that you had won second place nationally in a photo contest. You don't have any idea of how many things slip. We're a small business struggling to make ends meet and grow and that means that we mess up. No excuses, just note that it is after midnight now and I've got a couple of more hours ... and I'll be back at it tomorrow for another 14-16 hour day for a rate of pay that probably works out to less than minimum wage.










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