[thatboyaintright]

Liberty University has withdrawn recognition of Liberty University College Democrats as a student organization according to the Washington Post. An email was sent to the group that said: We are unable to lend support to a club whose parent organization stands against the moral principles held by Liberty University. (Full text of new policy and of e-mail revoking College Democrats' recognition). The clubs advisor, Maria Childress, says she is trying to appeal the decision.

The Lynchburg News-Advance reports on a statement Jerry Falwell, Jr. made today regarding the suspension:

That club still has the right to exist," Falwell said, although it cannot use the university’s name in its activities. "They still can meet on campus," in certain rooms, he said. "There is absolutely no animosity at all toward any of these kids. They are good, Christian kids who sit with me at ball games. I just hope they find a pro-life family organization to affiliate with so they can be endorsed by Liberty again."

Virginia Governor Timothy Kaine issued a statement on Democratic National Committee letterhead urging the University to reverse its decision.

Now, I always thought dissent was a valuable & cherished part of Baptist life. In fact, Baptists were born out of dissent. Our very existence breaths of the priesthood of the believer, & that each person is answerable to God on with his own conscience. Since when is a political matter a reason to turn away a group, especially in a college where open discussion should be the cornerstone of a well-rounded education?

Stifling dissent is what the Pharisees did. It is what Godslingers do today. Is this what we've come to? I'm not saying a private school cannot do this --- they can. But it is not Baptistic --- nor American.

[mojo413]

Where are all the comments from Friday night?.

[thatboyaintright]

Where are all the comments from Friday night?.

I think Pubby lost all of those comments when the database became corrupted. He said he restored from the last full backup &, evidently, that backup didn't have the comments that were from this thread.

[noahsdad]

Last time I looked and may I say I am a baptist preacher here my bible a KJV says "be yea a separated people", and my bible says aboortzion is wrong as well as gay relationships. So I think that one of the biggest christian schools should be seperate from the things of this world and should stand up for what God's word says.

I think that is the christians problems we have conformed to the worlds standards not made the world conform to Gods!

It is time we stand up for "Thus sayest the WORD of GOD"!!!!

[thatboyaintright]

Last time I looked and may I say I am a baptist preacher here my bible a KJV says "be yea a separated people", and my bible says aboortzion is wrong as well as gay relationships. So I think that one of the biggest christian schools should be seperate from the things of this world and should stand up for what God's word says.

I think that is the christians problems we have conformed to the worlds standards not made the world conform to Gods!

It is time we stand up for "Thus sayest the WORD of GOD"!!!!

And the Word also says there are to be no other gods before him. Do we in America outlaw all other faiths except the ... wait. Who's interpretation of faith do we take? The largest majority in the nation is Catholicism. Do we adopt that version as America's Offical Faith?

The point is that America has a diverse people & a diverson composition. Isn't it possible the college DEMs there were pro-life? And if they were, was it not then viewpoint discrimination of =politics= (tax policy, social policy, health care policy, etec) that got them defunded?

[PraiseThee]

Last time I looked and may I say I am a baptist preacher here my bible a KJV says "be yea a separated people", and my bible says aboortzion is wrong as well as gay relationships. So I think that one of the biggest christian schools should be seperate from the things of this world and should stand up for what God's word says.

I think that is the christians problems we have conformed to the worlds standards not made the world conform to Gods!

It is time we stand up for "Thus sayest the WORD of GOD"!!!!

You hit it on the nose, Brother. God Bless!

And the Word also says there are to be no other gods before him. Do we in America outlaw all other faiths except the ... wait. Who's interpretation of faith do we take? The largest majority in the nation is Catholicism. Do we adopt that version as America's Offical Faith?

The point is that America has a diverse people & a diverson composition. Isn't it possible the college DEMs there were pro-life? And if they were, was it not then viewpoint discrimination of =politics= (tax policy, social policy, health care policy, etec) that got them defunded?

His words, Tbar:
"I think that is the christians problems we have conformed to the worlds standards not made the world conform to Gods!"


I have been saying that for a very long time.

[Ellery]

My wife goes to liberty. So far it's been a great school for her. We got the email about "clubs" last week and Both of us wondered how ling it would take to make it on the new

[sadie612]

This is one of the colleges that my DD is thinking about going to... she already has a small scholarship from them too

[Blazing Saddles]

Private school. They can do what they want. Especially if their majority is in agreement. Right? Leave the school alone. They don't seem to be questioning the things you are doing. As a Baptist college, they apparently take the Bible literally. Oh, I almost forgot, should they take that part only as illusion or figuratively from the writers? Shame, Shame, Shame.

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[PraiseThee]

Private school. They can do what they want. Especially if their majority is in agreement. Right? Leave the school alone. They don't seem to be questioning the things you are doing. As a Baptist college, they apparently take the Bible literally. Oh, I almost forgot, should they take that part only as illusion or figuratively from the writers? Shame, Shame, Shame.

That is correct.

[PUBBY]

I find this absurd.

For instance, I know that there are folks who are against aboortzion who are democrats. But wait, the majority of Democrats could be for all the same things they are but if there were a splinter group that didn't that used the name, even if it were not the parent organization, that would be enough for LU to ban them.

Indeed, the policy as stated, bars groups which ...

supports aboortzion, federal funding of aboortzion, advocates repeal of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, promotes the "LGBT" agenda, Hate Crimes, which include sexual orientation and gender identity, socialism, etc.

Their policy, as presented in their email says:

No student club or organization shall be approved, recognized or permitted to meet on campus, advertise, distribute or post materials, or use University facilities if the statements, positions, doctrines, policies, constitutions, bylaws, platforms, activities or events of such club or organization, its parent, affiliate, chapter or similarly named group (even if the similarly named group is not the actual parent, affiliate or chapter) are inconsistent or in conflict with the distinctly Christian mission of the University, the Liberty Way, the Honor Code, or the policies and procedures promulgated by the University.

So, I fear that because the Log Cabin Republicans exist, they will have to revoke the Liberty University's Young Republican's charter too as the Log Cabin Republicans support gay marriage and civil rights for gays. While that is contrary to the mainstream GOP's policy, the fact is it is similarly named group and the policy relates to similar named groups even if they are not the parent group, affiliate or chapter.

But wait ... we'll make an exception for them because if you take the leg off of GOP, it spells GOD.

But waid, we can't do that everytime so if the American Communist Party renames itself the Christian-Republican party of America, I guess with that policy they'd have to ban not just the GOP, but all Christian groups. I mean they would have to ban Christian groups based on this policy simply because the Christian Democrat parties in Europe tend to be socialist.

This is not a policy; this is a license to make arbitrary action which is an absurd policy. (No wonder the LU group of lawyers that bungled things in the DOJ failed, they don't know how to write a rule that works.)

I wondered how that happened so I did go to the LU website and I was struck by the lack of a Dept. of Political Science. or school of Political Science. Then I noted that the political school is named the Jesse Helms school of Government.

What a piece of work that guy was. I mean it is a testament to newspeak that the school of government at Liberty University is named after Jesse Helms

This guy never voted for even a single civil rights law here but worked to block most favored nation trade recognition because of China's 'civil rights record. Among his defining legislative moments - he was a generally ineffective senator called "Senator No" by most and so rarely was able to get anything passed - was the 16 filibuster that failed to block the MLK holiday, in part because of MLK's promiscuity. Of course he was great buds with Strom Thurmond, the Dixiecrat race-baiter who,when he died, had a 74 year old mixed race daughter.

Oh, and was a close friend to Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet who, as a human being, ranks just above Idi Amin in inhumanity. Yeppers, Pinochet is the dictator who sent death squads throughout the world to murder 119 political opponents outside his country. (Passed out a few 007 licenses to kill ). Of course there was the torture and murder of thousands that followed the 1973 coup that was coordinated with the CIA. Chile, of course, had no problem with most favored nation status despite such instances of carnage.

Oh, did I mention that Helms started out his career as a Democrat and willingly left in the late 1960's because of LBJ's stance on civil rights.

pubby

PS: Ithy, since you favor Jesse Helms views and attitudes (including his unwillingness to compromise or admit a mistake on even minor things) why don't you adopt that name. Or you can opt from Strom ... that would work for me too.

pubby

[mojo413]

I do not have a problem with the stand Jerry Jr is taking.

It is the same at Liberty as at my own home. If you have different values and objectives than me you are welcome to come by and eat at our table with us.

But you are not welcome to put a sign in the front yard that implies I support your cause and you certainly are not going to tell me which room you will now camp out in.

[PUBBY]

I do not have a problem with the stand Jerry Jr is taking.

It is the same at Liberty as at my own home. If you have different values and objectives than me you are welcome to come by and eat at our table with us.

But you are not welcome to put a sign in the front yard that implies I support your cause and you certainly are not going to tell me which room you will now camp out in.

Mojo:

that's fine ... Looks to me like he has a Jesse Helms sign out front and that does say a lot.

pubby

[thatboyaintright]

You hit it on the nose, Brother. God Bless!



His words, Tbar:
"I think that is the christians problems we have conformed to the worlds standards not made the world conform to Gods!"


I have been saying that for a very long time.

But even God doesn't force himself onto people, PRAISE THEE. Moreover, we win them through the discipleship efforts of the church. So I ask you to show the verse --- just one, single, solitary verse --- where X or any NT author told us to use the legal system to force people to act holy. Just one.

I'm certain you just forgot PRAISE THEE but we had the conversation last week. I asked you to no longer refer to me as tbar. In your case, PRAISE THEE, you insist that I not use the diminutive form of a moniker for you, so I must absolutely insist you use my full moniker as well. For you, I must insist you refer to me as "thatboyaintright." I insist. (Link to thread where I made the request 3 different times.)

[thatboyaintright]

Private school. They can do what they want. Especially if their majority is in agreement. Right? Leave the school alone. They don't seem to be questioning the things you are doing. As a Baptist college, they apparently take the Bible literally. Oh, I almost forgot, should they take that part only as illusion or figuratively from the writers? Shame, Shame, Shame.

No one said a private school couldn't do it. In fact, if you will re-read the OP, I expressly said that they are private & may do it if they wish.

As for literalism, no one takes it literally, even you. Is the mustard seed the smallest of all seeds or was X lying? When X said we would have rivers of living water, was that literal or figurative? When it talks about God "standing at the door & knocking," is that literal or figurative?

But I'm really confused about something in your post, since you implied College DEMs should not be recognized as one of many political groups on campus because the Bible teaches against them ... Is that what you're saying? Then I'm really confused because the text says a good bit about "making peace" ... but the GOP didn't go that route. So why aren't they treated the same in this case?

And doesn't the text say that a quality to strive for is "faithfulness to your spouse" (rough phrasing)? Yet, how many times have the leaders of the GOP not shown that, e.g., Newt & McCain? Yet, the Young Republicans were not booted off the official registry of the school.

I would like to see some verses in the text that say anything about how God dictates the nomination process of Supreme Court justices; tax policy; health care; immigration policy; education reform; etc. If those aren't in the text, then isn't it arbitrary to remove one group & not another?

Yes, yes, yes. It is about the A topic. OK. I doubt seriously if those individuals support the stance of the DEMs on that --- so LU doesn't want people within the party working to change it?

Or maybe it is the gay issue. So, let's take it literally as you said: does this mean LU wants gays executed? I am certain that is not the case. I doubt if those College DEMs at Liberty think it is acceptable to God to be gay, but since when should matters of sin be in the legal code? It is not a crime to be gay. Gays are Americans too. Shouldn't they have the same ability as straight folks to enter into a contract with their chosen partner?

The point is that one political group was silenced while others were not. This is what they do in Fascist nations. They have the right, but it is not a good move because it says that on that campus, you're not welcome unless your faith =&= politics are of a certain stripe.