Since we are asking politically biased questions about candidates, thought I'd throw one out too...
I know it's hard for you not to make a fool of yourself but in the future you may want to check if there is sewer either at sites he once owned or where he lives.
looking4thetruth, on 26 July 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:
Yeah, i'm sure he did. He problalby slid that fat ole construction contract right past everybody without anyone noticing. You know what, they probalby worked on the sewer line at night using stealth tractors so none of us would know.
If I am not mistaken there was a large sewer project within the 1st 6 months of David coming into office.
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Well in order for your statement above to be true, either Crowe never did any sheetrock work for Rydan Homes or somebody forged Crowe's name on county inspection reports. Do you mine asking him which one it is??
Please provide me a copy of the documentation in question so that I know exactly what you are referencing.
Or, you may call him and ask him yourself.
Where would we be without the agitators of the world attaching the electrodes of knowledge to the nipples of ignorance?
Proud Independent, on 26 July 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:
I know it's hard for you not to make a fool of yourself but in the future you may want to check if there is sewer either at sites he once owned or where he lives.
You sure aren't making a lot of friends calling people from Paulding County bizarre and fools, especially being new on the board. I have heard conflicting stories on the issue and I am sure someone knows the answer.. So please enlighten us as you are obviously supporting David..
You sure aren't making a lot of friends calling people from Paulding County bizarre and fools, especially being new on the board. I have heard conflicting stories on the issue and I am sure someone knows the answer.. So please enlighten us as you are obviously supporting David..
I'm about fairness and punching.holes in outright lies. You made an accusation. Put up or shut up.
Proud Independent, on 26 July 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:
I'm about fairness and punching.holes in outright lies. You made an accusation. Put up or shut up.
I ask a legitimate question concerning a candidate running for office that was an issue 4 years ago and instead of saying he sold the property or no there is no sewer at the property in question you try to belittle the questioner. Whereas, someone from the David camp asks an accusatory question concerning Tony and the response is give me the documentation in question and an answer will be provided. I find that very interesting and would think that readers may be drawing some conclusions about what perhaps the candidates think about their constituents---- the bizarre fools in Paulding County deserve whatever our politicians do to us.
I am sure that things will be quite eventful on the board this weekend...
Please provide me a copy of the documentation in question so that I know exactly what you are referencing.
Or, you may call him and ask him yourself.
The requested documentation is attached. It contains the inspections performed by Tony Crowe ("TC") during 2008. This site limits uploads to 250k but I think there is plenty here to make the point. If Crowe told you he never performed inspections for contractors he also did business with then that means he never did ANY work for ANY of the Owners listed. Both he and some of these owners know that simply isn't the case.
looking4thetruth, on 27 July 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:
The requested documentation is attached. It contains the inspections performed by Tony Crowe ("TC") during 2008. This site limits uploads to 250k but I think there is plenty here to make the point. If Crowe told you he never performed inspections for contractors he also did business with then that means he never did ANY work for ANY of the Owners listed. Both he and some of these owners know that simply isn't the case.
Ask him what his story is now.
I understand that there is not much drywall business out there. Things just aren't being built in this economy. I also understand that we don't have much need for a lot of inspectors anymore.
I am confused about why he is running for this office. I understand of course the paycheck part. I just don't see as a commissioner how he can change the things that came about as a result of the housing crash. He can't create a need for more people in the inspection department. You can hire people back if you want to, it still doesn't create a need for them. I am just trying to figure out what he is going to do so different other than some hiring and firing of some folks.
We are still going to pay them out of tax money.
I am hearing things that just sound down right bizarre about hiring and firing which seems to be the single minded reason for running for office.
Even more bizarre are the folks behind the scenes trying to assure folks that if you elect Tony it is all going to be ok.
Even more bazaar is all of those people were heavily involved in housing development
There is no more housing market, what is it these people are thinking they are going to get out of this.
It's an incredible tale of a group of people going around telling people that they are backing Tony so don't worry he is going to do the right thing.
These are the same people that built the courthouse, built BOE building, the airport and gave cart blanch to developers. These people are the reason we had to layoff county workers or do what they had always done which was to raise our taxes.
These people are openly strutting around supporting Mr.Crow.
I sit here every day reading people giving the current administration holy hell over the things that I pointed out, yet nobody seems to find it the least bit bazaar that these folks are backing and financing a candidate openly in this county. They don't trust Mr. Carmicheal because he sat on a board during that administration.
But yet they are considering a candidate openly backed by that administration.
You don't believe me, call and ask. the dots are so easily connected because people don't see a thing wrong with it.
The challengers to these positions are all being backed and funded by the same people openly!!!!.
We had enough of tax and spend when we put these people out. As a county we are struggling to meet our obligations now, they must have something else in mind for us to pay for if they are running 2 candidates.
I am telling everyone this is bazaar people that crow loudly about hating that administration are supporting the same people they are. There is some kind of crazy disconnect here.
looking4thetruth, on 27 July 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:
The requested documentation is attached. It contains the inspections performed by Tony Crowe ("TC") during 2008. This site limits uploads to 250k but I think there is plenty here to make the point. If Crowe told you he never performed inspections for contractors he also did business with then that means he never did ANY work for ANY of the Owners listed. Both he and some of these owners know that simply isn't the case.
Ask him what his story is now.
Well, what did Crowe say when you asked him about working for contractors he had inspected??? If he sticks to his "i never did that" story, then he is not being truthful. So much for his ethics.
Its been three days since you were provided the info but I guess we have all come to expect no information from him anyway at this point. It's O.K., his silence speaks volumes!!
Tony has been busy doing interviews and knocking on doors. May have some free time on Wednesday to address.
Hopefully he can explain were he intends to get the money to hire back all the county employees and end furlough days.
He also wants the county to do more for small business when he says he will do away with the department that is helping small business by finding them tax break programs to help them grow. Also assisting them with small business grants when the bank refuses them loans.
It also seems that some have issue with tax abatement for bringing in new larger industries. What I am hearing is I don't care how much this helps local business we aren't going to give it to help bring more money into the local economy to help business here. We will send them down the road to other counties offering abatement if they don't want to pay to fill the county coffers.
There is a picture here that says I am going to grow county government and I am taking the money from existing business and homeowners because they are the only 2 sources of income for the local government, without growth you have no alternative for revenue.
Maybe he thinks he is saying something else but this is what I hear.
I have an open mind when it comes to candidates, politics is a business I look at candidates as business people. There is a big disconnect between what he says he wants to do and what can realistically be done. It's nothing personal, he is a very nice guy.
I understand that there is not much drywall business out there. Things just aren't being built in this economy. I also understand that we don't have much need for a lot of inspectors anymore.
I am confused about why he is running for this office. I understand of course the paycheck part. I just don't see as a commissioner how he can change the things that came about as a result of the housing crash. He can't create a need for more people in the inspection department. You can hire people back if you want to, it still doesn't create a need for them. I am just trying to figure out what he is going to do so different other than some hiring and firing of some folks.
We are still going to pay them out of tax money.
I am hearing things that just sound down right bizarre about hiring and firing which seems to be the single minded reason for running for office.
Even more bizarre are the folks behind the scenes trying to assure folks that if you elect Tony it is all going to be ok.
Even more bazaar is all of those people were heavily involved in housing development
There is no more housing market, what is it these people are thinking they are going to get out of this.
It's an incredible tale of a group of people going around telling people that they are backing Tony so don't worry he is going to do the right thing.
These are the same people that built the courthouse, built BOE building, the airport and gave cart blanch to developers. These people are the reason we had to layoff county workers or do what they had always done which was to raise our taxes.
These people are openly strutting around supporting Mr.Crow.
I sit here every day reading people giving the current administration holy hell over the things that I pointed out, yet nobody seems to find it the least bit bazaar that these folks are backing and financing a candidate openly in this county. They don't trust Mr. Carmicheal because he sat on a board during that administration.
But yet they are considering a candidate openly backed by that administration.
You don't believe me, call and ask. the dots are so easily connected because people don't see a thing wrong with it.
The challengers to these positions are all being backed and funded by the same people openly!!!!.
We had enough of tax and spend when we put these people out. As a county we are struggling to meet our obligations now, they must have something else in mind for us to pay for if they are running 2 candidates.
I am telling everyone this is bazaar people that crow loudly about hating that administration are supporting the same people they are. There is some kind of crazy disconnect here.
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They don't trust Mr. Carmicheal because he sat on a board during that administration.
But yet they are considering a candidate openly backed by that administration.
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You don't believe me, call and ask. the dots are so easily connected because people don't see a thing wrong with it.
The challengers to these positions are all being backed and funded by the same people openly!!!!.
Yes Mr. Carmichael was appointed by the previous administration, and yes I have questioned the many errors in judgment that he has made while serving on the airport Board.
I did take the time to check the financial disclosure of Both Candidates since you have maintained that both candidates are funded and backed by the previous administration.
Mr. Carmichael As of this date has refused to file a campaign disclosure so there is no way that his campaign information will be available until after the election is over and the votes are counted.
Heidi Leggett did file a disclosure and the main contributor to this campaign was Van Westbrook total of $463.00 along with a $750.00 loan to the campaign from Heidi Leggett.
You do know that Van Westbrook ran against Jerry Shearin in 2004 and was supported by a number of citizens like myself in that endeavor?
You do know that Van Westbrook Supported David Austin in 2008 against Jerry Shearin, and campaigned very hard for him, as well as myself.
We are both supporting Heidi Leggett this election and both have also contributed to that campaign.
If the above quoted statement was intended for me then I take exceptions to the truth contained in such a statement.
I have openly supported David Austin, Heidi Leggett, JK Rodgers and Melissa Morrison and will continue until the polls close tomorrow.
For you to take such a broad brush and Paint such an untrue picture of Heidi Leggett’s campaign is really uncalled for.
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has Margaret Mead
Yes Mr. Carmichael was appointed by the previous administration, and yes I have questioned the many errors in judgment that he has made while serving on the airport Board.
I did take the time to check the financial disclosure of Both Candidates since you have maintained that both candidates are funded and backed by the previous administration.
Mr. Carmichael As of this date has refused to file a campaign disclosure so there is no way that his campaign information will be available until after the election is over and the votes are counted.
Heidi Leggett did file a disclosure and the main contributor to this campaign was Van Westbrook total of $463.00 along with a $750.00 loan to the campaign from Heidi Leggett.
You do know that Van Westbrook ran against Jerry Shearin in 2004 and was supported by a number of citizens like myself in that endeavor?
You do know that Van Westbrook Supported David Austin in 2008 against Jerry Shearin, and campaigned very hard for him, as well as myself.
We are both supporting Heidi Leggett this election and both have also contributed to that campaign.
If the above quoted statement was intended for me then I take exceptions to the truth contained in such a statement.
I have openly supported David Austin, Heidi Leggett, JK Rodgers and Melissa Morrison and will continue until the polls close tomorrow.
For you to take such a broad brush and Paint such an untrue picture of Heidi Leggett’s campaign is really uncalled for.
We both know what is up, you happen to like it and I don't. I also know why you like it. Thats fine, it just is not fine with me. You have painted Carmicheal with the Shearin brush which you know it is the kiss of death with the majority of people in this county.
If you want to hurt a candidate that's all you have to do.
We both know what is up, you happen to like it and I don't. I also know why you like it. Thats fine, it just is not fine with me. You have painted Carmicheal with the Shearin brush which you know it is the kiss of death with the majority of people in this county.
If you want to hurt a candidate that's all you have to do.
Mr. Carmichael is the person who accepted the Job On the AIRPORT BOARD that was offered to him by Jerry Shearin.
Mr. Carmichael should be held accountable for his actions while serving on the airport board. I really do not think that the citizens shoild be duped into thinking that NO TAXPAYER MONEY was going to be used for the airport.
Sometimes a person must reap what they sow.
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has Margaret Mead
Mr. Carmichael is the person who accepted the Job On the AIRPORT BOARD that was offered to him by Jerry Shearin.
Mr. Carmichael should be held accountable for his actions while serving on the airport board. I really do not think that the citizens shoild be duped into thinking that NO TAXPAYER MONEY was going to be used for the airport.
Sometimes a person must reap what they sow.
Most of those that sit are elected officials, we happen to have a retired pilot that lives here that could sit. Jerry Shearin is the one that said no taxpayer money was going to go into it. Come to find out, he lied it took money to make it work, he just is no longer in office to be held accountable for that and you want to blame Mr. Carmicheal for the lie. You want it shut down or kept in the red indefinitely as revenge.
There are 9 folks on the board that also face the same reality, you going to vote them out for serving a need? Someone has to sit on it you can't condemn them all.
5 of these people are community volunteers that are not paid.
If it took more money after Jerry left to put it in the black then that is Jerry's fault.
Most of those that sit are elected officials, we happen to have a retired pilot that lives here that could sit. Jerry Shearin is the one that said no taxpayer money was going to go into it. Come to find out, he lied it took money to make it work, he just is no longer in office to be held accountable for that and you want to blame Mr. Carmicheal for the lie. You want it shut down or kept in the red indefinitely as revenge.
There are 9 folks on the board that also face the same reality, you going to vote them out for serving a need? Someone has to sit on it you can't condemn them all.
5 of these people are community volunteers that are not paid.
If it took more money after Jerry left to put it in the black then that is Jerry's fault.
At the begining of this election everyone was touting hia experience as being an Aviation expert heck his web site even touted his experience at setting up and running a airport REMEMBER?????
I have simply pointed out that Mr. Carmichael was either a yes man for Jerry Shearin or He made some very bad decisions as it relates to the airport and the cost to make it operational.
Heck we are still paying right now for those bad decisions. Sure others have some responsibility, But no one else professes to be an expert on the running and maintaing of an airport.
I see the need for Hangers, Water pressure, Fueling stations etc. But I see no need for a $5,000,000 terminal Hell the most efficient small airport around does not have that?
But...... We can always turn it into a restaurant and serve the world famous Swafford burger complete with the Carmichael fries, With a side order of Jerry's Bull S***.
No I do not want to see the airport fail and you know that.
I do not want to see Mr. Carmichael on the Board of Commissioners based on the way the airport has been planned and executed.
Dang not to have a vote in this race you sure have been promoting Carmuchael???????
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has Margaret Mead
At the begining of this election everyone was touting hia experience as being an Aviation expert heck his web site even touted his experience at setting up and running a airport REMEMBER?????
I have simply pointed out that Mr. Carmichael was either a yes man for Jerry Shearin or He made some very bad decisions as it relates to the airport and the cost to make it operational.
Heck we are still paying right now for those bad decisions. Sure others have some responsibility, But no one else professes to be an expert on the running and maintaing of an airport.
I see the need for Hangers, Water pressure, Fueling stations etc. But I see no need for a $5,000,000 terminal Hell the most efficient small airport around does not have that?
But...... We can always turn it into a restaurant and serve the world famous Swafford burger complete with the Carmichael fries, With a side order of Jerry's Bull S***.
No I do not want to see the airport fail and you know that.
I do not want to see Mr. Carmichael on the Board of Commissioners based on the way the airport has been planned and executed.
Dang not to have a vote in this race you sure have been promoting Carmuchael???????
I am not promoting him I am defending him against against you.
That hanger has a large successful aviation business waiting to rent it. I believe the terminal came from state funds not local.
We pay state taxes, so the money should come to us. The Ad valorem taxes go straight into the general fund, and yes we were collecting before the tornado. If you repeat lies enough it is funny how people start believing them. The management company out there was running in the black paying rent before the tornado.
You don't know all that much about the recent developments and how close we are to being in the black.
The things you listed are all the little things that Jerry forgot to include in the package to make it successful. Now you are going to beat on the folks that have to pick up the pieces and make a success of it.
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Well, what did Crowe say when you asked him about working for contractors he had inspected??? If he sticks to his "i never did that" story, then he is not being truthful. So much for his ethics.
Its been three days since you were provided the info but I guess we have all come to expect no information from him anyway at this point. It's O.K., his silence speaks volumes!!
I read your *proof*. It says nothing.
1. Actual reports done by Mr. Crowe were hand written. You printed out a log. Logs can be manipulated.
2. Show me when he did work for the contractors, actual contracts between Mr. Crowe and the contractors, including dates.
3. I also find it very interesting that Open Records Requests typically take 3-days. You received your log, not the actual reports, in one afternoon.
4. Your inference that Mr. Crowe told people he'd give them a passing inspection in exchange for Sheetrock work is only that - an inference. Show me proof that shoddy work was done by the contractor, but passed by Mr. Crowe in exchange for a good inspection.
Where would we be without the agitators of the world attaching the electrodes of knowledge to the nipples of ignorance?
1. Actual reports done by Mr. Crowe were hand written. You printed out a log. Logs can be manipulated.
2. Show me when he did work for the contractors, actual contracts between Mr. Crowe and the contractors, including dates.
3. I also find it very interesting that Open Records Requests typically take 3-days. You received your log, not the actual reports, in one afternoon.
4. Your inference that Mr. Crowe told people he'd give them a passing inspection in exchange for Sheetrock work is only that - an inference. Show me proof that shoddy work was done by the contractor, but passed by Mr. Crowe in exchange for a good inspection.
It is a conflict of interest plain and simple. And this is the kind of ignorance that scares me about Mr. Crowe.
We voted that bull sheeze out of this office 4 years ago and I am not ready to go back.
Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know! Let's have a spelling contest!
It is a conflict of interest plain and simple. And this is the kind of ignorance that scares me about Mr. Crowe.
We voted that bull sheeze out of this office 4 years ago and I am not ready to go back.
What conflict? When did Mr. Crowe do work for these contactors? Was he still employed by the County when he did work for them? Where is that paperwork?
I can almost say, "Before David Austin became Chairman, he sold copiers/did maintenance on copiers. He received campaingn donations from copier companies when he ran. Copiers that are in the admin building were provided by companies he used to work for".
But you know what? I have no documentation to back that up, just as no one has presented contracts, etc., showing Mr. Crowe's signature on contracts with contractors. But man, some of you people on p.com can just run with anything and turn it into fact b/c you heard it from someone or b/c you don't like that particular candidate.
The rumor that Mr. Crowe will be hiring Jerry Shearin is spreading like wild fire.
The rumor that Mr. Crowe will be hiring all of the former laid-off employees is spreading like a disease.
There is no documentation or recorded conversations that has been presented on p.com to substantiate those rumors, but we can't seem to put a cork on it.
Where would we be without the agitators of the world attaching the electrodes of knowledge to the nipples of ignorance?
1. Actual reports done by Mr. Crowe were hand written. You printed out a log. Logs can be manipulated.
2. Show me when he did work for the contractors, actual contracts between Mr. Crowe and the contractors, including dates.
3. I also find it very interesting that Open Records Requests typically take 3-days. You received your log, not the actual reports, in one afternoon.
4. Your inference that Mr. Crowe told people he'd give them a passing inspection in exchange for Sheetrock work is only that - an inference. Show me proof that shoddy work was done by the contractor, but passed by Mr. Crowe in exchange for a good inspection.
Well, can't the written logs be forged too... that's ridiculous. Why stop there, how about we should also need video evidence; notorized sworn statements, and audio confessions as well.
I guess I'm just not as naive as you appear to be but when you don't want to see the truth, no amount of proof will ever be enough.
looking4thetruth, on 31 July 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:
Well, can't the written logs be forged too... that's ridiculous. Why stop there, how about we should also need video evidence; notorized sworn statements, and audio confessions as well.
I guess I'm just not as naive as you appear to be but when you don't want to see the truth, no amount of proof will ever be enough.
Crowe did it, and Crowe knows he did it!
All your documents show is that Tony did his inspections while working for the County.
GASP! Is that the conspiracy? A gov't employee actually doing work?
Where would we be without the agitators of the world attaching the electrodes of knowledge to the nipples of ignorance?
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