[PUBBY]

Experts were on hand Tuesday night at the Dallas Theater to talk up the Regional Transportation Special Local Option Sales Tax that is on the ballot. The measure, controversial in the eyes of anti-tax folks, promises to benefit Paulding by accelerating critical transportation improvements that promise to provide jobs and improve the quality of life, according to proponents. Dallas Mayor Boyd Austin added the notion that Paulding will get a larger share of the money's collected than it pays into the program effectively earning local taxpayers a 25 percent extra return on their tax payments in terms of value of the projects built. The video above describes the project in depth and last just over an hour.

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[gonefromhere]

"UGA Professor: 'T-SPLOST Prospects Look Dim'"

dallas-hiram.patch.com/articles/uga-professor-t-splost-prospects-look-dim-0fe9d66d?ncid=newsltuspatc00000001

[AdamnAarens Mom]

PUBBY, on 18 July 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

Experts were on hand Tuesday night at the Dallas Theater to talk up the Regional Transportation Special Local Option Sales Tax that is on the ballot.

The measure, controversial in the eyes of anti-tax folks, promises to benefit Paulding by accelerating critical transportation improvements that promise to provide jobs and improve the quality of life, according to proponents.


Dallas Mayor Boyd Austin added the notion that Paulding will get a larger share of the money's collected than it pays into the program effectively earning local taxpayers a 25 percent extra return on their tax payments in terms of value of the projects built.

The video above describes the project in depth and last just over an hour.

Can we get these PROMISES in writing?

What the heck is "a notion"? Seems to be the buzz word of the day but it sounds like "fuzzy math" to me.

[WHITEY]

Hey Pubby I attended the meeting and listened to all of the grand speakers, I also submitted a question TWICE still did not get a answer Approached the Emcee after the meeting and was told that he would e-mail me the answer , Still no answer.
Maybe you can answer. Who has been exempted from paying the additional penny sales tax and why
I figure if I am going to pay the additional sales tax on all of my purchases then everyone should, No exemptions period
My state representatives Braddock and Heath gave the lobbyist exemptions that I do not agree with, They use these roads more than I do

[lowrider]

I voted yesterday and I voted NO.

I've talked to a lot of people everywhere I go, and not one person has said they will vote yes to another tax.

[LPPT]

AdamnAarens Mom, on 19 July 2012 - 07:14 AM, said:

Can we get these PROMISES in writing?

What the heck is "a notion"? Seems to be the buzz word of the day but it sounds like "fuzzy math" to me.

I am tracking down a source to get the legal language of this. I will put it up as soon as I get it. I ran across a bill that has to do with splost that might change even my mind when I get time to sit down and go over it.

[WHITEY]

WHITEY, on 19 July 2012 - 07:19 AM, said:

Hey Pubby I attended the meeting and listened to all of the grand speakers, I also submitted a question TWICE still did not get a answer Approached the Emcee after the meeting and was told that he would e-mail me the answer , Still no answer.
Maybe you can answer. Who has been exempted from paying the additional penny sales tax and why
I figure if I am going to pay the additional sales tax on all of my purchases then everyone should, No exemptions period
My state representatives Braddock and Heath gave the lobbyist exemptions that I do not agree with, They use these roads more than I do

Hmm still no answer?

[the help]

How exactly will these improvements provide jobs as *promised* (besides the obvious road construction jobs)?

[LPPT]

the help, on 19 July 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

How exactly will these improvements provide jobs as *promised* (besides the obvious road construction jobs)?

Depending on your own county the benefits will differ, all counties are not the same.
Many of our surrounding counties have 2 -3 times the manufacturing that we do.
So look at the big picture the Savannah dredging project is due to be completed at about the same time our projects are completed.

Every county in Georgia that has economic development will probably see the most benefit.
Companies all over the world and in Georgia that import, export or are looking to expand in that area are looking for the fastest and cheapest way to get the goods to market.
Counties that have good travel times to the ports will certainly get more consideration than those that don't. The entire state will benefit from this, many many factors come into play when companies are looking. They research demographics, travel time is just one of the many stats they look at. If your roads are a problem it does not always put you out of the running but generally will require more incentives such as tax abatement and lower land prices to get the manufacturers to locate in your area.

It really is a state issue when it comes to the huge benefit, but I and many others are well aware that folks are the most interested in whats in it for me.
It will bring more commercialization to many of the roads being improved. It will probably save some on gas with less starting and stopping. It also improves the value of our local real estate because there is a cut off number for the consumer were lower housing cost does not out way the horrible commute,I can look up the breaking point for that if anyone is really interested.

[cobb transplant]

the help, on 19 July 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

How exactly will these improvements provide jobs as *promised* (besides the obvious road construction jobs)?

which will be illegal labor at slave wages so that the contractor has a larger profit margin. You know, "jobs that Americans will not do at one third of the market wage rate" Lazy, stupid Americans...geesh.

[rockster]

The poll question ask about SPLOST. I thought the topic was concerning TSPLOST

[FreeBird]

Interesting video and report. Glad it was available.

Still think it should be a gas tax. Let those purchasing fuel and using the roads fund it.

[LPPT]

FreeBird, on 19 July 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

Interesting video and report. Glad it was available.

Still think it should be a gas tax. Let those purchasing fuel and using the roads fund it.

What happens if consumers respond to that with purchasing more fuel efficient cars and we still can't meet the requirements for road improvement?

[WHITEY]

FreeBird, on 19 July 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

Interesting video and report. Glad it was available.

Still think it should be a gas tax. Let those purchasing fuel and using the roads fund it.

I agree

[FreeBird]

LPPT, on 19 July 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

What happens if consumers respond to that with purchasing more fuel efficient cars and we still can't meet the requirements for road improvement?

double the projected "gas tax only" from .29 to .58/gallon. If you are spending less on fuel because you are now getting 100MPG then you realize no increase, right?

I work from home - I am not that big of the problem - I drive the DBR freeway a few times a week.

I'll vote no.

[converse]

FreeBird, on 19 July 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

I work from home - I am not that big of the problem - I drive the DBR freeway a few times a week.

I'll vote no.

I drive all over Atlanta at times and will be voting no. They have admitted it will not help my commute much if any at all.

I haven't talked to a single person that is for it.

[PUBBY]

FreeBird, on 19 July 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

Interesting video and report. Glad it was available.

Still think it should be a gas tax. Let those purchasing fuel and using the roads fund it.

I think the GOP-run legislature's love affair with consumption taxes is insane which means I would be more in favor of a gas-tax for this kind of funding.

That said, when I look around and weigh the alternatives and consider the reality - I realize that the option here is either you are for progress or you are not.

And given that leap, the regional TSPLOST really does have a lot to recommend it, particularly for the folks in Paulding.

That message has been drowned out and frankly, between the presentation last night but particularly Laurie Penney's interview today (we'll be posting that and other videos as soon as we can) with Scott Greene and George Jones, I'm now almost enthusiastic about it.

The trick is in understanding that everything is a compromise. If you go the general gas tax route, the problem is that on a cost per traveled mile and other measures, what we in Paulding need for transportation and economic development, will likely never come to pass. Indeed, it was probably only because of clout in the General Assembly (Tom Murphy and Nathan Dean) that we got funding for GA. Business 6 - aka: US 278 in the late 1980's early 1990s.

We don't have that kind of clout and probably never will. It will be a shame to miss the opportunity presented here because folks have plainly forgotten how to compromise.

Nothing is perfect. That means that compromise is the essential ingredient in every quest to make the future better ... and in this instance, Paulding, which has the voting numbers to make this happen ... would come out a big winner.

pubby

[feelip]

LPPT, on 19 July 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

What happens if consumers respond to that with purchasing more fuel efficient cars and we still can't meet the requirements for road improvement?

Really?

I am no OPEC expert but if there was a substantial decrease in the oil demand there would be a substantial decrease in the price of crude oil (remember the old supply and demand theory from Economics 101?).

At this point fuel taxes could be raised to an amount that would provide the funds without destroying the economy, which is what is going to happen if the government keeps the income taxes and fees and the ignorant voters keep giving themselves consumption taxes. It has got to be either / or. We can't be taxed both ways.

This post has been edited by feelip: 20 July 2012 - 07:55 AM