[Mrs G]

by the Fayette Co on Domestic Battery charges on his 15 yo daughter. What is up with people these days???

My link

[Happy Wife And Mom]

[Gone]

Choke slam....bet she don't disrespect Daddy Dollar anymore.

[confederaterose]

Out of control teenager that the law won't let you discipline any more.

[CrabbyDaddy]

I don't know why, but when I read the subject line I got a mental picture of the old kool aid commercial. The one where the kool aid pitcher came busting through the wall saying "OH YEAH". Some times I surprise myself with my own stupidity.

[hotwheels]

If she was mine, she'd be finding her a new home when I got out. Maybe when he told her she couldn't go to the party, he should have waited till she walked out the door anyway. Then he could have had her picked up as a juvenile runaway and she would be the one sitting in jail instead of him.

[feelip]

He should be locked up for running a scam. Not whipping a brat.

[Mrs G]

I dont think you can kick your child out of the house at 15, maybe the legal age is 17????? I think I read that somewhere. No positive, though.

[Bunkys dad]

confederaterose, on 08 June 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

Out of control teenager that the law won't let you discipline any more.

CAN I GET AN AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!

[MissSophie]

A co-worker went through this. You can call juvenile authorities. They work with the family for a solution; but it does not include allowing the teen to continue disrespectful behavior. After 3 calls, the little darling is removed from the home to a juvenile center. Tough love.

[tranquility]

It is sad when people think a Pastor / Preacher/ Teacher, whatever,
should be broke, no money, no nice home, no private plane for travel, etc. to spread God's word.
The Great Commission - Matthew 28:16-20

The reason it's sad is because those that feel that way do not seem to understand that God's word says he blesses those that serve Him.
How can we believe in abundance (in the bible) if our spiritual leaders are not living in abundance ?

I have listened to Pastor Dollar for years and he does not beg for money, he does not try to trick or scam people, guilt trip them, scare them with end time threats to gain wealth.
He preaches the bible.

Prayers for Pastor Dollar and his family.
This too shall pass.

[feelip]

tranquility, on 08 June 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

It is sad when people think a Pastor / Preacher/ Teacher, whatever,
should be broke, no money, no nice home, no private plane for travel, etc. to spread God's word.
The Great Commission - Matthew 28:16-20

The reason it's sad is because those that feel that way do not seem to understand that God's word says he blesses those that serve Him.
How can we believe in abundance (in the bible) if our spiritual leaders are not living in abundance ?

I have listened to Pastor Dollar for years and he does not beg for money, he does not try to trick or scam people, guilt trip them, scare them with end time threats to gain wealth.
He preaches the bible.

Prayers for Pastor Dollar and his family.
This too shall pass.

Guess I missed that chapter. Go forth on thou Gulfstream, Lear or Citation.

This post has been edited by feelip: 08 June 2012 - 05:31 PM

[tranquility]

feelip, on 08 June 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

The reason I mentioned a plane is that I expected that would be
brought up if I didn't do it myself..

I was not targeting you specifically with my post, it is something that has been going on with Pastors for many years.
All we can do is decide for ourselves who and what we believe.

The good thing about being human is that everyone has a right their own opinions.

[Georgia Dawg]

tranquility, on 08 June 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

It is sad when people think a Pastor / Preacher/ Teacher, whatever,
should be broke, no money, no nice home, no private plane for travel, etc. to spread God's word.
The Great Commission - Matthew 28:16-20

The reason it's sad is because those that feel that way do not seem to understand that God's word says he blesses those that serve Him.
How can we believe in abundance (in the bible) if our spiritual leaders are not living in abundance ?

I have listened to Pastor Dollar for years and he does not beg for money, he does not try to trick or scam people, guilt trip them, scare them with end time threats to gain wealth.
He preaches the bible.

Prayers for Pastor Dollar and his family.
This too shall pass.

Abundance doesn't mean just financially.

Jesus spoke specifically about the difficulty of a rich man making it into heaven...

[CrownApp]

I don't believe in prosperity gospel. Think about the faithful, committed wonderful Godly people in third world countries that lead congregations that have no money or resources. I cannot believe that financial prosperity is what God intended for his disciples.

[feelip]

tranquility, on 08 June 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

The reason I mentioned a plane is that I expected that would be
brought up if I didn't do it myself..

I was not targeting you specifically with my post, it is something that has been going on with Pastors for many years.
All we can do is decide for ourselves who and what we believe.

The good thing about being human is that everyone has a right their own opinions.

I have a problem with someone that will take money from a struggling family to finance their lifestyle. And to do it under the pretense that it makes God happy is just not right. (In my opinion of course).

I personally know a pastor that tried to talk a lady that was dyeing of cancer out of her property. Karma train T-Boned him so maybe God doesn't agree with it either.

[tranquility]

feelip, on 08 June 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

I have a problem with someone that will take money from a struggling family to finance their lifestyle. And to do it under the pretense that it makes God happy is just not right. (In my opinion of course).

I personally know a pastor that tried to talk a lady that was dyeing of cancer out of her property. Karma train T-Boned him so maybe God doesn't agree with it either.

I hope everyone would have a problem with that, it is wrong on so many levels.
Sadly there are all kinds of people on this earth and for whatever reason the ones that fall for the scams are the ones that I believe need God the most because if they weren't interested in knowing something about God they wouldn't have been listening to the person in the first place.

I think some people try to play God like he was the lottery. Hoping they will "win", sending money to buy an instant miracle, then trying again the next week when nothing happens.

I do appreciate the tv pastors, for example, that say your tithes belong to your local church. (Not to them)
I have only heard two say that, Creflo Dollar and Joseph Prince.

This post has been edited by tranquility: 08 June 2012 - 08:38 PM

[tranquility]

Georgia Dawg, on 08 June 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

Abundance doesn't mean just financially.Jesus spoke specifically about the difficulty of a rich man making it into heaven...

Absolutely true, I didn't mean to imply prosperity was only money.
If it came across that way, I do apologize.

[hotwheels]

Mrs G, on 08 June 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

I dont think you can kick your child out of the house at 15, maybe the legal age is 17????? I think I read that somewhere. No positive, though.

If you are referring to my 1st post on this, I did not mean to infer that I would kick her out. She would want to leave on her own once I dealt out her consequences for the entire incident.

[tranquility]

CrownApp, on 08 June 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

I don't believe in prosperity gospel. Think about the faithful, committed wonderful Godly people in third world countries that lead congregations that have no money or resources. I cannot believe that financial prosperity is what God intended for his disciples.

I apologize to you also, it is obvious to me after dinner and reading it again that I did not think it through before making my original post, my intention was not to promote prosperity as a reward for the righteous but it may have come across that way.

The sacrifices of those that go into the third world countries
and teach God's word just amaze me, it takes a special kind of person to give that much of themselves.

[RhondaW]

I'm sorry , punching and choking is NOT discipline , it's assault and battery.

[LPPT]

Thats what I call a good ole fashion come to Jesus meeting.
You wanna have a party kiddo, fine you can dance to the beat of this belt on your hiney!

I am not all about corporal punishment, but teens these days get up in their parents face and keep on walking when a parent says no.

Guess who she is gonna come cryin to to buy some pampers.

[RhondaW]

I have no problem with corporal punishment . The hind end is for spanking, if indeed he did punch and choke his daughter he is a sorry piece of crap.

[LPPT]

RhondaW, on 08 June 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

I have no problem with corporal punishment . The hind end is for spanking, if indeed he did punch and choke his daughter he is a sorry piece of crap.

I agree with that, but I can tell you this, you can't spank the behind of an adult sized teen that is fighting you.
I never raised my hand to my parents, when you raise your hand to your parent when they are disciplining you (not beating, that is different) it becomes an adult verses adult situation and it is every man for himself, welcome to the grown up world kiddo!

[RhondaW]

He is a grown man. She is a 15 year old girl . Never mind how much stronger a man is than a woman... Choking and punching , really?

[LPPT]

RhondaW, on 08 June 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

He is a grown man. She is a 15 year old girl . Never mind how much stronger a man is than a woman... Choking and punching , really?

That was her side of it, the police report says they found a scratch on her neck.

[Mrs G]

hotwheels, on 08 June 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

If you are referring to my 1st post on this, I did not mean to infer that I would kick her out. She would want to leave on her own once I dealt out her consequences for the entire incident.

Oh, OK. I took it the wrong way.

[momof 3]

IMO, Creflo is the least Godly man I have ever seen. The idea that he takes money from people who trust and believe in him and uses it to finance his lifestyle is reprehensible to me. I guarantee that not one member of his congregation owns an airplane of their own, but those are the same members that paid for his. REALLY!?

Having said that, I'm very skeptical of just about any 15 year old calling the police and reporting that Daddy abused her, just because he was trying to keep her from going to a party at 1:00am. What 15 year old goes to a party at 1:00am? Do I think a 15 year old would lie just to get her Dad in trouble? I sure do. And I'm not inclined to believe the 19 year old who verified her story because I'm sure she is held to similar rules and what better revenge than to have Dad arrested? Something is fishy about this story and I don't buy it. But that's just me.

[sugail]

Sounds to me like a parent trying to restrain his 15 year old daughter to keep her from going to a party and that is probably what started the altercation. She probably said she was going anyway and he probably grabbed her and that's how she got the scratch. She probably said I'll show you - and she called the police. Some kids think all they have to do is threaten to call the police on you and you'll give in and let them have their way. But then again, maybe he did lose control from the frustration of being the parent of a 15 year old.

[RhondaW]

I'm going to make this last comment, and then let the courts decide on this whole thing.
My children weren't angels.
I homeschooled for 12 years. My kids were with me 7/24- 365 days per year. Pretty much from birth, on.


I believe in corporal punishment. I spanked mine, and I spanked my niece and nephew (if needed) who were also with my 365 days per year for about a decade.

Teen years included.
I never had to restrain one by the throat, or punch a child to get them to obey.

I think it is reprehensible behavior, period.

If you have to do it at 15, then it is probably something you needed to take care of MUCH earlier.
I didn't notice much difference between toddlers and teens...but then maybe I am just lucky like that.

Our children are 29. 27. 26. 25 and 23.

[TNlamb]

RhondaW, on 08 June 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

I'm going to make this last comment, and then let the courts decide on this whole thing.
My children weren't angels.
I homeschooled for 12 years. My kids were with me 7/24- 365 days per year. Pretty much from birth, on.


I believe in corporal punishment. I spanked mine, and I spanked my niece and nephew (if needed) who were also with my 365 days per year for about a decade.

Teen years included.
I never had to restrain one by the throat, or punch a child to get them to obey.

I think it is reprehensible behavior, period.

If you have to do it at 15, then it is probably something you needed to take care of MUCH earlier.
I didn't notice much difference between toddlers and teens...but then maybe I am just lucky like that.

Our children are 29. 27. 26. 25 and 23.

Maybe you are just lucky like that. I don't judge parents of teens anymore until I hear the whole story. No matter what.

OK I've read more of the story now. 15yr girl wants to go to a party at 1am so bad that she gets in a physical fight with her dad over it? There's one scratch on her neck and HE goes to jail? Assault and battery my a$$. I FULLY support this parent and the law needs to keep their nose out of it. I think some are looking more at who he is, rather than what the facts are.

This post has been edited by TNlamb: 09 June 2012 - 12:28 AM

[kittycat]

Not sure what went on in his home. NOT MY BUSINESS...but I am for sure...I know I went through some things with my own teenagers as well....and so a few others...no one is exempt from hard times...neither rich or poor....or Believer or sinners...but one thing I do know for sure....I've been a followers of Pastor Dollar for a very long time and he is a man of God...and a follower of Jesus Christ for a long time...and I have fallen short...and yes I am forgiven ... But God will use this for his GLORY....hid and watch....and you shall see.....IT WILL COME TO PASS....

[Georgia Dawg]

I can tell you that teen aged children of pastors or preachers have the worst discipline problems.

[Thoughts]

Innocent until proven guilty is all I have to say...

[zoocrew]

Georgia Dawg, on 09 June 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

I can tell you that teen aged children of pastors or preachers have the worst discipline problems.

Judge much?

Thoughts, on 09 June 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

Innocent until proven guilty is all I have to say...

Agreed.