[Mr.Dis]

It seems there really were.

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.


http://news.yahoo.co...topstories.html

[NewsJunky]

Just read that. Picture is not black and white is it. Not quite the story that the media put out to begin with.

[MeWhoElse]

It terrifies me the way the media can sway people.

[feelip]

Beat me in the face and I'll shoot you too. Like I said before, no telling how many lives Zimmerman saved with one bullet.

[justme2]

Mr.Dis, on 15 May 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

It seems there really were.

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.


http://news.yahoo.co...topstories.html

i am a firm believer in the castle doctrine, and the no retreat laws.....however i don't believe that those laws apply to a wanna be bad a** assaulting\confronting someone, and when they start loosing the fight they get the right to kill the person.

i hope zimmerman ends up in gen pop the worse\roughest prison florida has

[Mr.Dis]

justme2, on 15 May 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:

i am a firm believer in the castle doctrine, and the no retreat laws.....however i don't believe that those laws apply to a wanna be bad a** assaulting\confronting someone, and when they start loosing the fight they get the right to kill the person.

i hope zimmerman ends up in gen pop the worse\roughest prison florida has

Let's try to keep this about his injuries, that many here claimed did not exist. The reason for the confrontation is not the issue here. His injuries proving he was attacked are.

[converse]

Mr.Dis, on 15 May 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

His injuries proving he was attacked are.

Has anything he has said been proven false?

[justme2]

Mr.Dis, on 15 May 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

Let's try to keep this about his injuries, that many here claimed did not exist. The reason for the confrontation is not the issue here. His injuries proving he was attacked are.

ok......did his actions cause the attack to be provoked? seems to me from the accounts that he(zimmerman) did. if a person chases you down for no reason and assaults you are you going to fight back, or just take it because he may be in a neighborhood watch group?

This post has been edited by justme2: 15 May 2012 - 09:01 PM

[Mr.Dis]

justme2, on 15 May 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

ok......did his actions cause the attack to be provoked? seems to me from the accounts that he(zimmerman) did. if a person chases you down for no reason and assaults you are you going to fight back, or just take it because he may be in a neighborhood watch group?

You are still trying to go down the other road. I am only discussing the fact that Zimmerman did indeed suffer injuries from an assault by Martin. And Martin, as far as I know, had no other injuries than the gunshot wound. That is not consistant with Zimmermann "laying hands on" him or assaulting him first. Following someone is not an assault. Bu that is not the story here, his wounds are.

And for the record... I think both men acted foolishly. Martin more so than Zimmerman.

[Lucky64]

Mr.Dis, on 15 May 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

You are still trying to go down the other road. I am only discussing the fact that Zimmerman did indeed suffer injuries from an assault by Martin. And Martin, as far as I know, had no other injuries than the gunshot wound. That is not consistant with Zimmermann "laying hands on" him or assaulting him first. Following someone is not an assault. Bu that is not the story here, his wounds are.

Mr. Dis, he suffered injuries yes, but that's because the kid was protecting himself. Zimmerman approached him!
This is what I think of the whole thing!

[Papi]

The punk got what he deserved. Which is the way I felt from the beginning. One less death row inmate bleeding the system dry. Good ridanceTrayvon.

[justme2]

Mr.Dis, on 15 May 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

You are still trying to go down the other road. I am only discussing the fact that Zimmerman did indeed suffer injuries from an assault by Martin. And Martin, as far as I know, had no other injuries than the gunshot wound. That is not consistant with Zimmermann "laying hands on" him or assaulting him first. Following someone is not an assault. Bu that is not the story here, his wounds are.

And for the record... I think both men acted foolishly. Martin more so than Zimmerman.

so let me understand.......i can follow you, act aggressive, and if you throw a punch, i then get the right to kill you????? really?

and as far as both men acting foolishly there is one very big difference......martin is dead

[Mr.Dis]

justme2, on 15 May 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

so let me understand.......i can follow you, act aggressive, and if you throw a punch, i then get the right to kill you????? really?

and as far as both men acting foolishly there is one very big difference......martin is dead

Did Zimmerman suffer an injury? Did you say he did not? That is all I am concerned about in this topic. You want more, dredge up an old topic or start another of your own This makes the third time I told you what this topic is about. Got it?

[Mrs G]

Regardless........... the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman, they did NOT need him to follow Martin!!!!!!!!! He SHOULD have went on about HIS BUSINESS and left the issues at hand, to the Police!!!!!!!!! Zimmerman had no business to aggravate the circumstances. He's getting what he deserves, jmho&2cw! He done his civic duty by calling 911, he should have bowed out gracefully and let the Police do their jobs.

[Mr.Dis]

Mrs G, on 15 May 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

Regardless........... the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman, they did NOT need him to follow Martin!!!!!!!!! He SHOULD have went on about HIS BUSINESS and left the issues at hand, to the Police!!!!!!!!! Zimmerman had no business to aggravate the circumstances. He's getting what he deserves, jmho&2cw! He done his civic duty by calling 911, he should have bowed out gracefully and let the Police do their jobs.

Many facts and statements indicate that he did what you said he should have.

[justme2]

Mr.Dis, on 15 May 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

Did Zimmerman suffer an injury? Did you say he did not? That is all I am concerned about in this topic. You want more, dredge up an old topic or start another of your own This makes the third time I told you what this topic is about. Got it?

no i don't think i have it.......you seem to want to portray Zimmerman as being innocent, which doesn't seem to be the case. he was a wanna be bad A**(just like some others on here) and when he started to loose decided to pull a gun and kill someone. just because of the color of his skin.

[converse]

justme2, on 15 May 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

so let me understand.......i can follow you, act aggressive, and if you throw a punch, i then get the right to kill you????? really?

What would you do if you walked up on someone who appeared suspicious around your children and that person knocked you down, climbed on top of you, punched you in the face several times, and slammed your head in to the concrete over and over? Next that person reached for any type of weapon you were carrying?

By your posts it’d be your fault for walking up on that person because they did nothing wrong. You’d fully accept anything and everything that person did to you because you made yourself a threat to them?

Nothing Zimmerman did would justify Martin’s actions. What Martin did justified Zimmerman’s actions.

[Mr.Dis]

justme2, on 15 May 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

no i don't think i have it.......you seem to want to portray Zimmerman as being innocent, which doesn't seem to be the case. he was a wanna be bad A**(just like some others on here) and when he started to loose decided to pull a gun and kill someone. just because of the color of his skin.

You never do get it. That is why I am posting only KNOWN FACTS. Were you one of those that said there were no injuries on Zimmerman? Are you prepared to concede now that Zimmerman was indeed assaulted by Martin AT SOME POINT? I have not seen the autopsy report of Martin but from what I have heard there is nothing other than a bullet wound. When I have that info in hand WE can discuss EXACTLY who assaulted who first and that is what will settle this case. nothing else will matter in the long run. You can throw any ASSumptions you care to muster around, I refuse to debate anything other than pure facts with folks like you. And even with facts in hand, if they are not to your liking, you will still dismiss them. Did I present anything other than facts in my opening statement? Nope didn't think so.

[justme2]

Mr.Dis, on 15 May 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

You never do get it. That is why I am posting only KNOWN FACTS. Were you one of those that said there were no injuries on Zimmerman? Are you prepared to concede now that Zimmerman was indeed assaulted by Martin AT SOME POINT? I have not seen the autopsy report of Martin but from what I have heard there is nothing other than a bullet wound. When I have that info in hand WE can discuss EXACTLY who assaulted who first and that is what will settle this case. nothing else will matter in the long run. You can throw any ASSumptions you care to muster around, I refuse to debate anything other than pure facts with folks like you. And even with facts in hand, if they are not to your liking, you will still dismiss them. Did I present anything other than facts in my opening statement? Nope didn't think so.

how did zimmerman get to the location that he was assaulted at?.....guess we grew up in very different neighborhoods but where i came from if someone is chasing you when the chase ends you swing, because at that point it is either you or the other person that is going to be beaten.

zimmerman was told by 911 not to pursue, and let the police to handle it.




.

[Mrs G]

Mr.Dis, on 15 May 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

Many facts and statements indicate that he did what you said he should have.

NO,"IF" Zimmerman had left the scene, as the 911 dispatcher told him, Martin, would still be alive!!!!!

[The Postman]

The 17 year old was defending himself, even if Zimmerman was hurt. But, I think it's a lie about his injuries. Nothing as serious as the doctor said was visible on the video right after his arrest, after he killed the kid. What did he do go home and wash up, and change his bloody shirt, before he was arrested?

This post has been edited by The Postman: 15 May 2012 - 10:28 PM

[Braves' Dave]

Lucky64, on 15 May 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Mr. Dis, he suffered injuries yes, but that's because the kid was protecting himself. Zimmerman approached him!
This is what I think of the whole thing!

I may have missed it somewhere but - all I'm aware of is that Zimmerman "followed" Martin and there's not been an actual report that Zimmerman confronted him,physically or verbally, for that matter.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[TabbyCat]

The Postman, on 15 May 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

The 17 year old was defending himself, even if Zimmerman was hurt. But, I think it's a lie about his injuries. Nothing as serious as the doctor said was visible on the video right after his arrest, after he killed the kid. What did he do go home and wash up, and change his bloody shirt, before he was arrested?

It's almost cute how you pick and choose which media report you believe.

Bless your heart.

I'm sure you mean well.

[The Postman]

Braves, on 15 May 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

I may have missed it somewhere but - all I'm aware of is that Zimmerman "followed" Martin and there's not been an actual report that Zimmerman confronted him,physically or verbally, for that matter.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Are you understanding it as there was no confrontation? In that case the kid turned the tables, because Zimmerman was indeed following him. I would turn the tables, if I had the opportunity, ifi someone was following me into an alley, or from behind a tree. I would want to know what they were following me for, and if I saw a gun I would try to defend myself, if I could. .

[NC-17]

Meh. The kid's dead, and none of us get to sit in the jury.
As long as the appropriate people listen to the facts of the case in the courtroom, justice, whatever that may be, will be served.

[Mr.Dis]

justme2, on 15 May 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

how did zimmerman get to the location that he was assaulted at?.....guess we grew up in very different neighborhoods but where i came from if someone is chasing you when the chase ends you swing, because at that point it is either you or the other person that is going to be beaten.

zimmerman was told by 911 not to pursue, and let the police to handle it.




.

For the 5th time. I am only presenting facts and new facts at that. I have presented the evidence that shows Zimmerman had injuries contrary to what many on here were saying. Do you accept that as true. And again I WILL NOT SPECULATE NOR DEBATE Anything that is not backed up as fact with you at this point. Can I make that ANY MORE CLEAR to you?

Now... Did you say that he was uninjured? Do you now accept that Zimmerman was indeed injured following an assault by Martin?

I do not care to discuss ANYTHING other than that in MY TOPIC. Do you understand that?

[The Postman]

Mr.Dis, on 15 May 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

For the 5th time. I am only presenting facts and new facts at that. I have presented the evidence that shows Zimmerman had injuries contrary to what many on here were saying. Do you accept that as true. And again I WILL NOT SPECULATE NOR DEBATE Anything that is not backed up as fact with you at this point. Can I make that ANY MORE CLEAR to you?

Now... Did you say that he was uninjured? Do you now accept that Zimmerman was indeed injured following an assault by Martin?

I do not care to discuss ANYTHING other than that in MY TOPIC. Do you understand that?

Zimmerman was not injured at the crime scene, but could have been injured sometime before he saw the doctor. Zimmerman was not injured according to the police video, right after he killed the kid. But, if he was following me he would have been injured if I saw his gun.

[justme2]

Mr.Dis, on 15 May 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

For the 5th time. I am only presenting facts and new facts at that. I have presented the evidence that shows Zimmerman had injuries contrary to what many on here were saying.

ok we will play your game. if zimmerman would have listened to 911, and not tried to be a wanna be hero, would those injuries have happened?

let me answer it for you.......no they would not have

[Mr.Dis]

Mrs G, on 15 May 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

NO,"IF" Zimmerman had left the scene, as the 911 dispatcher told him, Martin, would still be alive!!!!!

That is not the necessarily true. Firstly the "scene" was moving and very large. Therefore it is difficult to say which scene you are actually referring to. The one where Zimmerman saw Martin acting "suspiciously"? The one where he was first told by 911 that he "did not need to follow him"? Where he lost sight of him? Or the one where the actual fight took place? If he had been following and turned around (and headed back towards his truck) after the dispatcher made their statement and he lost sight of Martin then he had done ALL that could be asked of him in that situation. Anything else begins with the assumption that he should not have followed to begin with, which is an entirely different debate. Current indications are that he WAS INDEED returning to his truck and the location that he was told to meet with the police at. Where else should he have gone at that point? The indicators point to the assault taking place after he was confronted by MARTIN on his (Zimmerman's) return there. That is the same as saying that you saw me walking around your house acting suspiciously and you went outside, followed me around the corner while talking to 911, loosing sight of me, then being told "you do not need to do that", you then return to your house (via your back door) only to find me there (after running through the woods) and then me assaulting you. Not the same but similar. And again I am not willing to say that his returning to his truck is in fact an absolute, but indicators do suggest it to be true. Anything we discuss in that regard is purely speculation. I am not going to debate "speculative" points with the likes of justme2.

The Postman, on 15 May 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

Zimmerman was not injured at the crime scene, but could have been injured sometime before he saw the doctor. Zimmerman was not injured according to the police video, right after he killed the kid. But, if he was following me he would have been injured if I saw his gun.

This does not even warrant a reply.

[Riograce]

Mr.Dis, on 15 May 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

For the 5th time....

Some advice for you, Mr. Dis:

[Christina]

justme2, on 15 May 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:

i am a firm believer in the castle doctrine, and the no retreat laws.....however i don't believe that those laws apply to a wanna be bad a** assaulting\confronting someone, and when they start loosing the fight they get the right to kill the person.

i hope zimmerman ends up in gen pop the worse\roughest prison florida has

AMEN to this

[Mr.Dis]

justme2, on 15 May 2012 - 11:34 PM, said:

ok we will play your game. if zimmerman would have listened to 911, and not tried to be a wanna be hero, would those injuries have happened? let me answer it for you.......no they would not have

Apparantly 5 times is still not enough...

I am only dealing in facts so where is your EVIDENCE that DEFINITIVELY says he DID NOT listen to the dispatcher. Oh I'm sorry... right now there is NOTHING that does that one way or another that WE are privy to. All you are doing is making ASSumptions.

Besides that...

Did you say Zimmerman was uninjured?
Do you now accept the fact that Zimmerman was indeed at some point physically assaulted by Martin?

[justme2]

Mr.Dis, on 15 May 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

That is not the necessarily true. Firstly the "scene" was moving and very large. Therefore it is difficult to say which scene you are actually referring to. The one where Zimmerman saw Martin acting "suspiciously"? The one where he was first told by 911 that he "did not need to follow him"? Where he lost sight of him? Or the one where the actual fight took place? If he had been following and turned around (and headed back towards his truck) after the dispatcher made their statement and he lost sight of Martin then he had done ALL that could be asked of him in that situation. Anything else begins with the assumption that he should not have followed to begin with, which is an entirely different debate. Current indications are that he WAS INDEED returning to his truck and the location that he was told to meet with the police at. Where else should he have gone at that point? The indicators point to the assault taking place after he was confronted by MARTIN on his (Zimmerman's) return there. That is the same as saying that you saw me walking around your house acting suspiciously and you went outside, followed me around the corner while talking to 911, loosing sight of me, then being told "you do not need to do that", you then return to your house (via your back door) only to find me there (after running through the woods) and then me assaulting you. Not the same but similar. And again I am not willing to say that his returning to his truck is in fact an absolute, but indicators do suggest it to be true. Anything we discuss in that regard is purely speculation. I am not going to debate "speculative" points with the likes of justme2.



This does not even warrant a reply.

yep he was guilty of walking while black in a white neighborhood

whatever..... the court in florida will decide this. hopefully in the right way.

This post has been edited by justme2: 15 May 2012 - 11:46 PM

[Christina]

Like u said facts are facts and it has said on tv and in reports zimmerman followed him and was told not to if I was told not to do something by someone higher than I was but if he didn't follow him none of this would of happen maybe he did get scratched but when u FOLLOW someone doesn't make it right to kill them when they are protecting themselves plus he was only 17 Zimmerman since he is much older and bigger should of handled it in a different way

[Mr.Dis]

justme2, on 15 May 2012 - 11:41 PM, said:

yep he was guilty of walking while black in a white neighborhood

whatever..... the court in florida will decide this. hopefully in the right way.

That did not answer the questions.

Did you say Zimmerman was uninjured?
Do you now accept the fact that Zimmerman was indeed at some point physically assaulted by Martin?

The first is a matter of record here. The second is quite obvious that you have made up your own little scenario of what took place that night. Even if 2 or 3 video tapes came out showing exactly what happened and that supported Zimmerman's claims and the "fact" that he was returning to his truck you would still refuse to acknowledge Martin's own contributions to this incident. I have never declared who was guilty of what in this whole debate. Go ahead and go back and look. I have said from the begining the facts will come out, they may support Martin, they may support Zimmerman. There are way too many folks out there like yourself that will have a major meltdown if the facts rule in Zimmerman's favor. I have no dog in this hunt and have absolutely nothing to loose either way. I just can not stand to see folks throwing pure speculation around as facts when the stakes are as high as they are in this case.

[Mr.Dis]

Christina, on 15 May 2012 - 11:52 PM, said:

Like u said facts are facts and it has said on tv and in reports zimmerman followed him and was told not to if I was told not to do something by someone higher than I was but if he didn't follow him none of this would of happen maybe he did get scratched but when u FOLLOW someone doesn't make it right to kill them when they are protecting themselves plus he was only 17 Zimmerman since he is much older and bigger should of handled it in a different way

Following is not a crime. The biggest question here is that of did he begin to return to his vehicle before being assaulted. No one is arguing whether or not he followed Martin at some point. I do not believe that Zimmerman was actually following Martin back to his own truck do you? Your concept of the size match up is off, Martin was no little tyke as some portray him to be, and he (Zimmerman) may have been doing what everyone is saying he should have been doing... RETURNING TO HIS TRUCK. Right now no absolute proof has been released on this either way.

[Mrs G]

Ohhhh, let me rephrase this.....................Zimmerman should have taken HIS cArcaSS, inside HIS HOUSE and shut HIS DOOR BEHIND HIM and kept his police wanna be a hero butt, behind locked doors, then he would have no longer been near Martin AND MARTIN WOULD STILL BE ALIVE.

[justme2]

Mr.Dis, on 15 May 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

That did not answer the questions.

Did you say Zimmerman was uninjured?
Do you now accept the fact that Zimmerman was indeed at some point physically assaulted by Martin?

The first is a matter of record here. The second is quite obvious that you have made up your own little scenario of what took place that night. Even if 2 or 3 video tapes came out showing exactly what happened and that supported Zimmerman's claims and the "fact" that he was returning to his truck you would still refuse to acknowledge Martin's own contributions to this incident. I have never declared who was guilty of what in this whole debate. Go ahead and go back and look. I have said from the begining the facts will come out, they may support Martin, they may support Zimmerman. There are way too many folks out there like yourself that will have a major meltdown if the facts rule in Zimmerman's favor. I have no dog in this hunt and have absolutely nothing to loose either way. I just can not stand to see folks throwing pure speculation around as facts when the stakes are as high as they are in this case.

you may want to look at the latest from cnn (oh, sorry i forgot that you only watch faux news)
http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=hp_t2

the screams that happened on the 911 tape came from martin according to the fbi

sorry mr dis but the facts just do not support your claims. zimmerman wanted to be a "superhero" and because of this killed a innocent 17 year old kid

[Christina]

From what I heard Zimmerman was the watchman of the apts and was watching him and came out of his house anybody but mr.dis correct me if I am wrong

[Mr.Dis]

Christina, on 16 May 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

Ur dumb and racist is all I have to say

Now that was quite the inteligent response now wasn't it. Please elaborarte on my racist remarks in this thread. I would love to see them and your thought process. As far as my actual knowledge of the law goes Cobb and Acworth PD As well as Georgia P.O.S.T. seemed to think I made a pretty good LEO before I switched to a different job.

Again before you throw down the race card you better have your ducks in a row. So if you can not point to a single derogatory statement about Blacks (I had better include Hispanics here since Zimmerman was Hispanic / White) Then we will be forced to just realize that my comments were not the uninteligent ones.