Yea right, Just like the guy practicing his 2nd amendment right. His mere presence caused you to call him an SOB. Of course you were to chicken to say that to his face. Dude you remind me of the guy who's mouth writes a check his ass can't cash.
Back to the OP. Zimmerman will be found guilty just to make certain groups happy.
You are welcome to your opinion, gog!
I don't think any of the other patients, in the doctor's office, though it was a god idea, sense he had no badge to be exercising his first amendment right at that time.
If I see much more of that kind of behavior I will carry my long gun around with me. I don't even need a license to do that. Do you mind?
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I hope he won't be found guilty just to make certain groups happy. I would like to have more faith in my fellow human than that. A man's life is a stake. He deserves a fair trial as much as trayvon deserves to have his killer tried in a court of law.
If he is not found guilty of something, the "group" will turn Sanford into a car wash.
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I don't think any of the other patients, in the doctor's office, though it was a god idea, sense he had no badge to be exercising his first amendment right at that time.
If I see much more of that kind of behavior I will carry my long gun around with me. I don't even need a license to do that. Do you mind?
You mean SECOND amendment right. Nothing bout a badge in it. I hope you carry your gun around, most men do. However if you want to carry a weapon around that's fine too.
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Oh, he's guilty. The only question is what he's guilty OF.
For me Tabby what he is guilty of is believing that a carry permit is a form of authority. I am not sure how the law deals with this. I have no issues with people carrying guns for protection, I have no issue with the Government giving authority and training to professionals and arming them.
It seems to me that the stand your ground law has made some people think they have authority that they do not have.
The stand your ground law definitely needs work, on the other hand standing your ground should not automatically cost your freedom or everything you own to defend yourself.
I think he is guilty of being a vigilante empowered by this law,
What are the consequences to society if he gets off?
We all see cases that you think if the victim had been armed it would have prevented pain and suffering, I understand that. I understand frustration at the system.
Some people should not own a gun because they really do feel like it gives them power and control. There needs to be a consequence for using your gun like this man did.
I hope he won't be found guilty just to make certain groups happy. I would like to have more faith in my fellow human than that. A man's life is a stake. He deserves a fair trial as much as trayvon deserves to have his killer tried in a court of law.
See, I used to have more faith a long time ago. But, in the past 3 1/2 years, it's gone downhill fast.
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For me Tabby what he is guilty of is believing that a carry permit is a form of authority. I am not sure how the law deals with this. I have no issues with people carrying guns for protection, I have no issue with the Government giving authority and training to professionals and arming them.
It seems to me that the stand your ground law has made some people think they have authority that they do not have.
The stand your ground law definitely needs work, on the other hand standing your ground should not automatically cost your freedom or everything you own to defend yourself.
I think he is guilty of being a vigilante empowered by this law,
What are the consequences to society if he gets off?
We all see cases that you think if the victim had been armed it would have prevented pain and suffering, I understand that. I understand frustration at the system.
Some people should not own a gun because they really do feel like it gives them power and control. There needs to be a consequence for using your gun like this man did.
While I mostly agree with you, I can't go past that place where NONE OF US KNOW what really happened that night.
GZ's version is that he stopped pursuit when asked to, and that he was attacked following that.
Do I believe him?
Well thankfully, it's not my burden to discern the truth in this case. I don't know what happened. I won't pretend that I do.
Hypotheticals might work for some to defend this side or that side, but they don't work much for me.
I don't think GZ should not answer to his conduct that night. I think he should.
But I don't think the evidence exists to convict the man of 2nd degree murder. I think a manslaughter conviction would be just.
For me Tabby what he is guilty of is believing that a carry permit is a form of authority. I am not sure how the law deals with this. I have no issues with people carrying guns for protection, I have no issue with the Government giving authority and training to professionals and arming them.
It seems to me that the stand your ground law has made some people think they have authority that they do not have.
The stand your ground law definitely needs work, on the other hand standing your ground should not automatically cost your freedom or everything you own to defend yourself.
I think he is guilty of being a vigilante empowered by this law,
What are the consequences to society if he gets off?
We all see cases that you think if the victim had been armed it would have prevented pain and suffering, I understand that. I understand frustration at the system.
Some people should not own a gun because they really do feel like it gives them power and control. There needs to be a consequence for using your gun like this man did.
Standing your ground is not my idea of using a gun to intimidate. Standing your ground is more like standing up to people who would otherwise shout you down, in my opinion. You don't need a gun to do that.
I would hate for a man to try to shout me down, with a gun in his hand, just because he and I are disagreeing on something. The very idea of a man coming into a doctor's office with a gun, but no badge, and patients looking at one another. I'm glad I was on the way out. I felt intimidated, and I'm sure I was not alone.
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
Standing your ground is not my idea of using a gun to intimidate. Standing your ground is more like standing up to people who would otherwise shout you down, in my opinion. You don't need a gun to do that.
I would hate for a man to try to shout me down, with a gun in his hand, just because he and I are disagreeing on something. The very idea of a man coming into a doctor's office with a gun, but no badge, and patients looking at one another. I'm glad I was on the way out. I felt intimidated, and I'm sure I was not alone.
Whatever you are talking about has little to nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
Whatever you are talking about has little to nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
Oh wait...
Whatever you are talking about, TC, should be address to someone who care what you have to say.
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This post has been edited by The Postman: 13 April 2012 - 09:56 PM
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
Whatever you are talking about, TC, should be address to someone who care what you have to say.
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OH, I AM SO HURT THAT YOU DON'T CARE!!!
Not really!
Last time I checked, we have the same ability to post here. If I think your posts are lame and if you want to insult my posts, we are both within the pcom guidelines.
What a great world, huh?
Being on-topic and making sense are thin requirements also, so I'm guessing you're all good.
Last time I checked, we have the same ability to post here. If I think your posts are lame and if you want to insult my posts, we are both within the pcom guidelines.
What a great world, huh?
Being on-topic and making sense are thin requirements also, so I'm guessing you're all good.
You addressed me on a personal basis, first, TC !
I know you love me, but can't you find someone else to get personal with?
Just kidding, TC
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
For me Tabby what he is guilty of is believing that a carry permit is a form of authority. I am not sure how the law deals with this. I have no issues with people carrying guns for protection, I have no issue with the Government giving authority and training to professionals and arming them.
It seems to me that the stand your ground law has made some people think they have authority that they do not have.
The stand your ground law definitely needs work, on the other hand standing your ground should not automatically cost your freedom or everything you own to defend yourself.
I think he is guilty of being a vigilante empowered by this law,
What are the consequences to society if he gets off?
We all see cases that you think if the victim had been armed it would have prevented pain and suffering, I understand that. I understand frustration at the system.
Some people should not own a gun because they really do feel like it gives them power and control. There needs to be a consequence for using your gun like this man did.
What if it was self defense? Do you think there should be consequences for using deadly force that is within the law?
Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know! Let's have a spelling contest!
What if it was self defense? Do you think there should be consequences for using deadly force that is within the law?
"If" is a very big word, in this case, feelip!
Nothing about what Zimmerman did, after he was warned to stop following the kid, was within the law. Even if the kid was in a state of defending himself, the best he could, with no gun, Zimmerman was the one in pursuit without authority to be in pursuit.
So, there should be no consequences for using deadly force within the law. But, Zimmerman was not within the law. I would have knocked him completely out, for following me to my home, with a gun, if there was some way I could have gotten the drop on him.
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
Nothing about what Zimmerman did, after he was warned to stop following the kid, was within the law. Even if the kid was in a state of defending himself, the best he could, with no gun, Zimmerman was the one in pursuit without authority to be in pursuit.
So, there should be no consequences for using deadly force within the law. But, Zimmerman was not within the law. I would have knocked him completely out, for following me to my home, with a gun, if there was some way I could have gotten the drop on him.
Not true Eddie and you know it. This point has been argued to death.
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Not true Eddie and you know it. This point has been argued to death.
No, feelip, it's the only live point left. IT'S ALIVE!
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
What if it was self defense? Do you think there should be consequences for using deadly force that is within the law?
I guess I simply see self defense as myself in a situation of being preyed upon, as in I am minding my own business and someone comes in my home or on my property.
Or someone accost me on the street and threatens me with bodily harm.
Quite honestly I would assume someone following me on the street with a gun had every intention of harming me. I am not sure if the law allows me to shoot someone because they are scaring me. I am pretty sure that if we both had a gun I would want to shoot first before they drew theirs.
I don't think there is such a thing as a cut and dry law when it comes to self defense.
I am certainly not supportive of gun control laws, or laws that restrict self defense.
What always concerns me are personality flaws that might disqualify certain people in society from arming themselves.
There have been times in my life when I have carried a gun for protection, I don't constantly feel the need to arm myself or put myself in a position that I would feel more of a need to use my firearm.
I really don't think there is a way to scrutinize everyone that legally carries, we can only scrutinize them after the fact, I think that is the key is scrutiny and knowing that you will be scrutinized closely for defending yourself.
I simply feel like we need to prevent self defense laws from being abused.
There are 1000's of people that would be alive today if they armed themselves. Laws that basically said you will do some amount of jail time for trying to save yourself were absolutely wrong.
Just so you know have no issue with self defense. This case has raised questions about what exactly is self defense when provocation is involved. I think that is the most important issue to be explored when it comes to possible abuse of this law.
I guess I simply see self defense as myself in a situation of being preyed upon, as in I am minding my own business and someone comes in my home or on my property.
Or someone accost me on the street and threatens me with bodily harm.
Quite honestly I would assume someone following me on the street with a gun had every intention of harming me. I am not sure if the law allows me to shoot someone because they are scaring me. I am pretty sure that if we both had a gun I would want to shoot first before they drew theirs.
I don't think there is such a thing as a cut and dry law when it comes to self defense.
I am certainly not supportive of gun control laws, or laws that restrict self defense.
What always concerns me are personality flaws that might disqualify certain people in society from arming themselves.
There have been times in my life when I have carried a gun for protection, I don't constantly feel the need to arm myself or put myself in a position that I would feel more of a need to use my firearm.
I really don't think there is a way to scrutinize everyone that legally carries, we can only scrutinize them after the fact, I think that is the key is scrutiny and knowing that you will be scrutinized closely for defending yourself.
I simply feel like we need to prevent self defense laws from being abused.
There are 1000's of people that would be alive today if they armed themselves. Laws that basically said you will do some amount of jail time for trying to save yourself were absolutely wrong.
Just so you know have no issue with self defense. This case has raised questions about what exactly is self defense when provocation is involved. I think that is the most important issue to be explored when it comes to possible abuse of this law.
You can understand, LPPT, that more walking is the norm for even adults. I have started walking to the store, and sometimes it may be dusky dark, or even dark when I get back. Now, 17 years old's walk more than I do. Does that mean they are more apt to commit a crime; I don't think so, but it' not against the law for me to walk to the store with a brand new Hinry Bigh Boy. I don't even need a license. Now the cops might stop me to see why I am carrying my Henry long rifle, but all I should have to tell them is the same thing a person with a pistol carries their gun; FOR PROTECTION!.
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
Nothing about what Zimmerman did, after he was warned to stop following the kid, was within the law. Even if the kid was in a state of defending himself, the best he could, with no gun, Zimmerman was the one in pursuit without authority to be in pursuit.
So, there should be no consequences for using deadly force within the law. But, Zimmerman was not within the law. I would have knocked him completely out, for following me to my home, with a gun, if there was some way I could have gotten the drop on him.
If is just as big a word in the statement "what IF it was not" that you seem to favor.
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When you realize that people all over the country are having the same conversations and coming to conclusions based on the limited facts that have been released (some of which have been proven false) I do not think Zimmerman has a chance at a fair trial.
I guess I simply see self defense as myself in a situation of being preyed upon, as in I am minding my own business and someone comes in my home or on my property. Or someone accost me on the street and threatens me with bodily harm.
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When I start carrying, feelip, I will be saying BINGO, because I have found the answer to my concerns. I will be carrying a sweet cherry pie, but a longer version.
This post has been edited by The Postman: 15 April 2012 - 08:09 PM
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
WRONG. Looks like we all do a little assuming from time to time.
My point was that you don't pull a gun in an intense situation unless you intend to use it. Using a gun to bluff or intimidate is a bad idea. It is better left concealed.
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
So if you are following me in an alley and we are both armed it comes down to skill, if I draw first and my aim is better, you die and I get to claim self defense.
I need to buy some ammo and do some target practice. Now it comes down to how much I like you.
You might want to be nice to me, so you get to live
Or practice a lot
So if you are following me in an alley and we are both armed it comes down to skill, if I draw first and my aim is better, you die and I get to claim self defense.
I need to buy some ammo and do some target practice. Now it comes down to how much I like you.
You might want to be nice to me, so you get to live
Or practice a lot
In the case of arming yourself, I will have to change my attitude a little, LPPT!
I have always said, "when in Rome you don't have to do as the Romans do," but I guess I had better start packing a gun. I need very little practice, because I am a shooter of targets, already. I think I was about 4 years old when my Father came home as a marksman from WWII. I'v been shooting ever sense. So that is 60 years of practice.
I just can't see a man carrying an exposed gun into a doctor's office, nor into a stake-n-shake, unless he is an officer of the law.
If people start doing that I will not do business there, and when I go back to the doctor I plan to talk to him about what I saw the last time I was there. .
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
In the case of arming yourself, I will have to change my attitude a little, LPPT!
I have always said, "when in Rome you don't have to do as the Romans do," but I guess I had better start packing a gun. I need very little practice, because I am a shooter of targets, already. I think I was about 4 years old when my Father came home as a marksman from WWII. I'v been shooting ever sense. So that is 60 years of practice.
I just can't see a man carrying an exposed gun into a doctor's office, nor into a stake-n-shake, unless he is an officer of the law.
If people start doing that I will not do business there, and when I go back to the doctor I plan to talk to him about what I saw the last time I was there. .
But but, he is supposed to make you feel safe in case a nut case comes in carrying a gun on his hip.
Safety first young man
But but, he is supposed to make you feel safe in case a nut case comes in carrying a gun on his hip.
Safety first young man
I certainly didn't feel safe, LPPT, and even though the man had a big smile on his face, there was nobody else smiling. I was to busy getting out to my truck, where I felt much safer. But, I know what you mean. Some people feel safer if someone else has the gun.
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