Degree's don't mean squat in my business. Heck they didn't mean much when I was in civil engineering either. Being a mechanic or an engineer is akin to being a good musician- you either "have it" or you don't. Passing tests in class do not impress me at all. SHOWING me that you know your stuff is all I care about.
And btw, although my business is starting to fly off the charts, I have vowed to NOT hire anyone else, no matter how busy we get. My bizz consists of me and my partner- 2 life long friends and professional mechanics. I can't afford to make mistakes, and mistakes are something I will never have to worry about as long as I keep bizz small and ran by 30+ year professionals. Yes, it costs a lot of money to have that kind of worker, but it's worth every nickle, and it keeps your good reputation growing by leaps and bounds every month, and every season. We'll never get rich doing this, but we WILL be a trusted company with regulars who will drive from the other side of Atlanta, just to have their repairs done right. I have had people say that my ego gets in the way of making the big bucks. I can only reply to them that big bucks are not what I want in life. Success goes far beyond your profit margin. IMO, success is founded on doing good work, standing by your work, and keeping your customers happy and coming back again and again. If you keep that part up, then word of mouth will give you the most important thing of all- job security!!
Exactly right. Our field (mechanics) requires more common sense and really know what your doing more than anything. I would rather have someone with common sense and knows how the real world works than a fresh college pup who has no clue. Though I know it doesn't work that way. While I do have a degree and expect my kids to get one, I really find it useless and pointless. I see many kids these days with these top notch degrees but don't know their a** from a hole in the ground.
This post has been edited by janko9: 08 April 2012 - 11:31 PM
"I already have a guilty conscience, might as well have the money to"
Employers abuse the system too. There are good and bad in both. Demonizing the poor is as bad as demonizing the wealthy. Good for your SIL. He did the right thing even if hte employer was a jerk. Here's to hoping he finds a GREAT job soon!
Thank you, our fingers are crossed! Until then, he is helping keep my house clean, yard mowed and he picks up the kids at school, all without being asked. He's a good guy!
I can forgive a poor man, who may have tried his best to survive in this old World. I can forgive a man who's brain has not developed well enough, or who has brain damage. But, I cannot forgive a rich man with a good mind for paying as cheap as he can for labor that he does not do.
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
I can forgive a poor man, who may have tried his best to survive in this old World. I can forgive a man who's brain has not developed well enough, or who has brain damage. But, I cannot forgive a rich man with a good mind for paying as cheap as he can for labor that he does not do.
Without trying to fly in the face of free market economics, I do somewhat agree with you. It is a fact that a business owner's goal is to make as good a profit as he can. I also believe the owner should abide by certain ethics- not lying to employees, treating them fairly, etc. But, I also know this- if the owner screws over his employees it WILL trickle down to the consumer and said company will get a bad reputation. Building a good rep is like working out and building your muscles...takes a long time to build them, but a very short time to lose them, once you slack off. I am referring to small business. LARGE corp's are a different matter, since the CEO still gets paid a crap load of money, even after he drives the company into the ground. Something is wrong with that picture, and I wish I had the answers to solve it, but I don't.
Without trying to fly in the face of free market economics, I do somewhat agree with you. It is a fact that a business owner's goal is to make as good a profit as he can. I also believe the owner should abide by certain ethics- not lying to employees, treating them fairly, etc. But, I also know this- if the owner screws over his employees it WILL trickle down to the consumer and said company will get a bad reputation. Building a good rep is like working out and building your muscles...takes a long time to build them, but a very short time to lose them, once you slack off. I am referring to small business. LARGE corp's are a different matter, since the CEO still gets paid a crap load of money, even after he drives the company into the ground. Something is wrong with that picture, and I wish I had the answers to solve it, but I don't.
You're absolutely right, Subby!
I could not have said that any better. But, cutting down on lobbying is a real good answer to controlling CEO greed. But ,one branch of government want allow any such deal to be made. I firmly believe the Warren Buffet plan will help, even though that want be enough.
Small business is hindered by large corporations, a lot more than people think. It stands to reason that the bigger the business the less competition they have to worry about.
I know you don't want to monopolize Paulding, Carroll, and Harralson counties, in your business, but you want enough of it to make a good living for your family. Corporate CEO's don't think like that, it just gives them more money to pad government representative's pockets.
This post has been edited by The Postman: 10 April 2012 - 04:20 PM
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
Small business is hindered by governmental regulation, something large corporations generally don't worry too much about.
When hubby and I had a small machine shop, large corporations were our best customers! They certainly didn't hinder us in any way, shape, form or fashion. I find that to be true for most small businesses.
There will always be customers who would rather deal with small businesses and there will always be large corporations that won't miss the income those customers might have brought in. I seriously doubt KMPG or Pricewaterhouse Coopers misses the income that might be generated by the customers that I or Barbed Wire have.
The Postman, on 10 April 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:
Small business is hindered by large corporations, a lot more than people think. It stands to reason that the bigger the business the less competition they have to worry about.
Small business is hindered by governmental regulation, something large corporations generally don't worry too much about.
When hubby and I had a small machine shop, large corporations were our best customers! They certainly didn't hinder us in any way, shape, form or fashion. I find that to be true for most small businesses.
There will always be customers who would rather deal with small businesses and there will always be large corporations that won't miss the income those customers might have brought in. I seriously doubt KMPG or Pricewaterhouse Coopers misses the income that might be generated by the customers that I or Barbed Wire have.
Here in Georgia, you are so right about government hindering small business, S & D's N!
They have been going to China to try to drum up some sweat box employer's, from China, to set up shop in Georgia.
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
Hubby's former boss went to China a few years ago in an effort to drum up business for his company. The business he received enabled him to buy something like 14 acres and a huge building near Six Flags. He doubled the work force, employing Georgians.
ALL government hinders small business, not just Georgia government. ALL government. I know of a particular business that has been trying for a couple of years to open in Paulding and all the government officials seem to want to do is stall it.
The Postman, on 10 April 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:
Here in Georgia, you are so right about government hindering small business, S & D's N!
They have been going to China to try to drum up some sweat box employer's, from China, to set up shop in Georgia.
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
My hubby and I agree with you wholeheartedly on this. He was a machinist. He had a talent for it. He could take a piece of steel and make anything out of it. Literally, anything. With or without a blueprint to go by. He could measure within a half a hair. Heck, I can't even SEE within half a hair. Me, OTOH, can spell just about anything (OK, sometimes I have to think about it). Spelling came easy to me. We both have our talents and we compliment each other rather well.
As for music, neither of us can carry a tune in a bucket and can barely play the radio. Our daughter plays several instruments and writes music. We barely know how to play the CDs she gives us.
I love talented people! People who can take nothing and make something out of it. I believe we have a lot of talented people in this country. It seems like Subby has been able to use his talents, (several of them) to make it though some hard times.
I believe sometimes the best and most beautiful things are created from near nothing. Look what this lady made out of just some old sweaters.
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I think we all need each other,I think we have forgotten that.
Mutual respect for each position has gone out the window.
I think an employer should take pride in how he treats the people that help him grow his business. I think an employee should take pride in doing an excellent job and helping his employer to succeed.
Both of these basic things have vanished.
I love talented people! People who can take nothing and make something out of it. I believe we have a lot of talented people in this country. It seems like Subby has been able to use his talents, (several of them) to make it though some hard times.
I believe sometimes the best and most beautiful things are created from near nothing. Look what this lady made out of just some old sweaters.
I'm still struggling, but at least I'm finally making some dents in my debt. If I gave credit to anything that helped me get through so much, it would have to be that I have always been ADHD. Since there wasn't a name for it, or medication that I knew of, I wouldn't be the same person today. Back in my school days, I dealt with my hyperactivity by reading everything I could get my hands on, tearing radios, cars, anything I could get my hands on, apart and studying them. I stayed in trouble from talking too much, but that helped too. because some of my teachers would make me sit next to their desk so they could smack me if I talked. The only way I could keep my mouth shut was to read, read, read. Then when I got home after doing my chores (yes, we had daily chores back then ) I either stayed out in my dad's shop building things, or in my room building model cars. What some people call a disorder in this day and age, was purely a blessing for me.
I think we all need each other,I think we have forgotten that.
Mutual respect for each position has gone out the window.
I think an employer should take pride in how he treats the people that help him grow his business. I think an employee should take pride in doing an excellent job and helping his employer to succeed.
Both of these basic things have vanished.
I know where you're coming from, but I also remember working with lazy people all of my life....even way back when. Having said that, I have seen a major shift in how things work ever since our economy went global and we downgraded our nation to the same level as many third world countries- which was easy for corporations to do, since they could hire people who would work for almost nothing, and in the process, told the American workers to take a hike. I remember when companies paid you according to your value and performance. When a business no longer bases its employee's pay on their performance, then LAZY is exactly what you get. I have a perfect example too....
When I had that job working for an AT&T outsource company, based in India, my job was to fix issues with land-line cables for AT&T. We had a program that would run "loops". If the loop failed, then I had to find the problem by looking at cable pairs (many bundles of wires within a large cable). Once you found the problem and fixed it, then the program would make a successful loop. This was called fixing an ION. I became very good at this in a short period of time and was repairing more ION's than 90% of the other employees. Every day, our supervisor would come by and show us how many ION's we had fixed the day before. Since I was ranking very high, I got a "pat on the back". But that's as far as it went. Every employee made the exact same amount of money no matter if their repair numbers were low or high. If they were too low, then you got laid off or fired. If they were high....that just meant you got to keep your job. There was no monetary incentive to do anymore than was necessary. In spite of that, I continued to strive to stay above the rest of the workers, simply for my own satisfaction...(well, that, and the fact that a day behind the desk goes by a lot faster when you're working your tail off). But there was no more reward for doing a great job, than if I had just took my time and made much lower numbers.
In my business now, the more you work, the more you make. If my partner whips out a bunch of mowers on a good day, then we both make more money. Since everything is split 50/50 between us, then I'll take him out for a nice lunch or something...anything I can think of to show my appreciation for his hard work. That's the way things should be. If more small businesses would operate that way, then America could get its good name back for quality work. I'll leave large corporations out of this, since they almost never operate like that. But in small businesses, I still see employers offering incentives to get their workers to work harder and better....not as much as I used to, but it's still there. Small businesses will not succeed any other way. Once a company owner can move beyond their own salary/profit greed, then they should be able to make that mark, earn a good reputation and keep their employees very happy and loyal. A happy employee is a productive employee. There's no law out there that says the owner MUST make more than his/her employee, simply because he's the owner. There's plenty of days when my partner makes more than I do, and some days it's the other way around. I'm fine with that.
I know where you're coming from, but I also remember working with lazy people all of my life....even way back when. Having said that, I have seen a major shift in how things work ever since our economy went global and we downgraded our nation to the same level as many third world countries- which was easy for corporations to do, since they could hire people who would work for almost nothing, and in the process, told the American workers to take a hike. I remember when companies paid you according to your value and performance. When a business no longer bases its employee's pay on their performance, then LAZY is exactly what you get. I have a perfect example too....
When I had that job working for an AT&T outsource company, based in India, my job was to fix issues with land-line cables for AT&T. We had a program that would run "loops". If the loop failed, then I had to find the problem by looking at cable pairs (many bundles of wires within a large cable). Once you found the problem and fixed it, then the program would make a successful loop. This was called fixing an ION. I became very good at this in a short period of time and was repairing more ION's than 90% of the other employees. Every day, our supervisor would come by and show us how many ION's we had fixed the day before. Since I was ranking very high, I got a "pat on the back". But that's as far as it went. Every employee made the exact same amount of money no matter if their repair numbers were low or high. If they were too low, then you got laid off or fired. If they were high....that just meant you got to keep your job. There was no monetary incentive to do anymore than was necessary. In spite of that, I continued to strive to stay above the rest of the workers, simply for my own satisfaction...(well, that, and the fact that a day behind the desk goes by a lot faster when you're working your tail off). But there was no more reward for doing a great job, than if I had just took my time and made much lower numbers.
In my business now, the more you work, the more you make. If my partner whips out a bunch of mowers on a good day, then we both make more money. Since everything is split 50/50 between us, then I'll take him out for a nice lunch or something...anything I can think of to show my appreciation for his hard work. That's the way things should be. If more small businesses would operate that way, then America could get its good name back for quality work. I'll leave large corporations out of this, since they almost never operate like that. But in small businesses, I still see employers offering incentives to get their workers to work harder and better....not as much as I used to, but it's still there. Small businesses will not succeed any other way. Once a company owner can move beyond their own salary/profit greed, then they should be able to make that mark, earn a good reputation and keep their employees very happy and loyal. A happy employee is a productive employee. There's no law out there that says the owner MUST make more than his/her employee, simply because he's the owner. There's plenty of days when my partner makes more than I do, and some days it's the other way around. I'm fine with that.
If I still lived in Paulding County, Subby, I'd keep my application filed with you.
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
If I still lived in Paulding County, Subby, I'd keep my application filed with you.
Thank you. So far, I have decided to not hire anyone else. It's just me and my partner, and probably will be for a while. Between the two of us, we crank as much work as a shop with 6-7 people working there. Plus, I don't have to worry about quality control, keeping all work within the two of us.
I was one of the people who lost my job. March 8th to be exact.
Our boss came into the office at 2pm and just told us he could not afford to keep us in the office anymore.
I was really shocked as I had gotten him some really big contracts.
The contracts I found for him, I found on my own through searches. HUGE contracts , a couple in millions . And he never even thanked me .
One of the girls I worked with was crying. She has now lost her apartment and has to move out by the 15th .
We applied for unemployment and the owner is fighting it .
It's a small business and I think he is struggling to keep his head above water.
He has not hired anyone to replace us.
I worked above and beyond their expectations.
I even took a couple of young grils under my wing (and 1 was making more than me bacause she had gone to college, and I was training her).
I even left for work early every day to pick up one employee who didn't have a car. She had been paying $10 per day to take a Taxi to work. I adopted her as my daughter and made a forever friendship .
Not only was I 'underemployed,' making $8.00 per hour ! I am also head of household.It isn't fun to be broke & hungry.
When I started the job, they told stories of pay raises, commissions and future benefits.
Never happened.
One of my dear friends works at the corporate office for JC Penney in Plano, Texas .
And they were told that they are laying off 600 workers.
She is waiting to see if she is on the list.
She has dedicated her life to that company since 1985 .
And they are also closing one of their call centers.
Total 900 people loosing their jobs.
And Sony is said to be laying off 10,000
The company my son works for has been making cuts.
They had been provided uniforms from Cintas.
They had to return their uniforms last month, and now they just wear their own blue khaki's and a blue shirt.
The company did that to save money.
The company also canceled their 'employee day' at an Atlanta Braves game this year .
Maybe not a big deal to some, but this is a definite trickle down effect.
One job I applied for yesterday, it might have gone well.
I had a scheduled phone interview today.
And now I have a personal interview Tuesday.
But I am most likely 1 of 200 people interviewing for the position.
I find most everything now to be very 'scripted'.
It's almost like interviews have to fit a cookie-cutter plan.
Resumes, Cover letters, Interviews. It all has to be scripted.
I don't think employers really get to know who they are hiring.
There may be jobs out there somewhere .. But not this area.
I had gotten 1 job offer but I would have to move to Warner Robbins.
A friend of mine can get me a job in Clearwater, Florida.
Most jobs I find are in Norcross or past Atlanta.
Which is a challange when you have 180,000 miles on your car & gas is going up to $4.00 a gallon.
I think I really need to move.
But this area, Paulding, Bartow, Polk & even Cobb - there aren't many jobs .
For my middle daughter as well. She goes 100 miles an hour ALL the time, is working full time, in school to become a nurse, is a certified medical assistant AND a certified nursing assistant and still helped her husband in his business (though that business is almost nil at this time). She couldn't do all that at the age of 38 without being hyperactive. She didn't have the "AD" part of ADHD. She could pay attention and concentrate but she could do it on a dozen different things at once. In school, she always got NI (needs improvement) on controls talking. Even now she is a motormouth.
Subby, on 12 April 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:
What some people call a disorder in this day and age, was purely a blessing for me.
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
For my middle daughter as well. She goes 100 miles an hour ALL the time, is working full time, in school to become a nurse, is a certified medical assistant AND a certified nursing assistant and still helped her husband in his business (though that business is almost nil at this time). She couldn't do all that at the age of 38 without being hyperactive. She didn't have the "AD" part of ADHD. She could pay attention and concentrate but she could do it on a dozen different things at once. In school, she always got NI (needs improvement) on controls talking. Even now she is a motormouth.
That's great, S & D's N!
It is my granddaughter, who has done a similar thing. After high school she worked at Sonic's, Burger King, Winndixie, or where ever was closer to where she lived. She is now 27, and has paid her own way through nursing school. She is an RN at the Kennestone Emergency Room.
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
There may be jobs out there somewhere .. But not this area.
I had gotten 1 job offer but I would have to move to Warner Robbins.
A friend of mine can get me a job in Clearwater, Florida.
Most jobs I find are in Norcross or past Atlanta.
Which is a challange when you have 180,000 miles on your car & gas is going up to $4.00 a gallon.
I think I really need to move.
But this area, Paulding, Bartow, Polk & even Cobb - there aren't many jobs .
We moved across the state because of a job. My wife got an offer we couldn't refuse, so we started packing. Probably one of the best decisions we have ever made.
I get more calls 600 miles away than I do here which is none. Highly considering it, but moving just isn;t in the financial cards. So IDK
If you're stuck in a single career that went belly up, then you have almost choice but to move where the work is. Only other option is to find another niche and go with it.
I have only been a small business man for 5 years since working for engineering firms all my life. It's helping me survive, but if you want to be successful the first thing you have to come to terms with is that whatever you USED to get paid, expect to make a lot less. Also expect to work yourself (and think yourself) silly as a goose!
My lifelong pal who is a civil engineer, moved down here from Buffalo, NY when we was 18. We worked together for about 20 years at the same firm. He had to take a job in Buffalo, while his family remains here. You do what you have to do. I feel terrible for him, missing his family and all. But I admire his determination to move back up there in a small rental and send those checks home to his family. It's a TOUGH world out there. We can bitch about it all day, or we can do something about it. There's always options, although I'm fully aware that my former "hey-days" are over.
We'll never make the money we used to, but some money is better than NO money!!
Me and my bizz partner are working like dogs, but it's very apparent the money is nowhere near what we used to make. Luckily, we DO enjoy our work- that's very important. Luckily, I've had training all my life in working a lot for little pay- it's called being a musician!!
Your story touched me since there are so many like you.....praying that you and others find something better quickly....
I've been a housewife for the past 16+ years and I haven't worked since 2000(irs temp)I've applied everywhere I could...even Southwire in Carrollton...I passed the computer test, also worked for 4 hrs and did extremely well according to the supervising administrator....none of the people who went through that never heard anything...they were hiring 50 or more according to the human resources and never hired anyone as of yet....the day we were to work for 4 hrs they had quite a few people in there complaining of working for the 4 hrs and not hearing anything back...now when they hire again you'll have to go through the same thing (application only lasts for 3-6mos i think)I'm not defeated...just sensitive that because I've been out of work so long no employer will take a chance on me...I keep my computer skills up to date,I'm a strong woman willing to work anywhere and trust me I have applied lol....one thing about it if you you train an employee and they are eager to work you may have a lifelong worker willing and able to make your company grow....good luck to everyone out there looking....
stbarts, on 13 April 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:
I was one of the people who lost my job. March 8th to be exact.
Our boss came into the office at 2pm and just told us he could not afford to keep us in the office anymore.
I was really shocked as I had gotten him some really big contracts.
The contracts I found for him, I found on my own through searches. HUGE contracts , a couple in millions . And he never even thanked me .
One of the girls I worked with was crying. She has now lost her apartment and has to move out by the 15th .
We applied for unemployment and the owner is fighting it .
It's a small business and I think he is struggling to keep his head above water.
He has not hired anyone to replace us.
I worked above and beyond their expectations.
I even took a couple of young grils under my wing (and 1 was making more than me bacause she had gone to college, and I was training her).
I even left for work early every day to pick up one employee who didn't have a car. She had been paying $10 per day to take a Taxi to work. I adopted her as my daughter and made a forever friendship .
Not only was I 'underemployed,' making $8.00 per hour ! I am also head of household.It isn't fun to be broke & hungry.
When I started the job, they told stories of pay raises, commissions and future benefits.
Never happened.
One of my dear friends works at the corporate office for JC Penney in Plano, Texas .
And they were told that they are laying off 600 workers.
She is waiting to see if she is on the list.
She has dedicated her life to that company since 1985 .
And they are also closing one of their call centers.
Total 900 people loosing their jobs.
And Sony is said to be laying off 10,000
The company my son works for has been making cuts.
They had been provided uniforms from Cintas.
They had to return their uniforms last month, and now they just wear their own blue khaki's and a blue shirt.
The company did that to save money.
The company also canceled their 'employee day' at an Atlanta Braves game this year .
Maybe not a big deal to some, but this is a definite trickle down effect.
One job I applied for yesterday, it might have gone well.
I had a scheduled phone interview today.
And now I have a personal interview Tuesday.
But I am most likely 1 of 200 people interviewing for the position.
I find most everything now to be very 'scripted'.
It's almost like interviews have to fit a cookie-cutter plan.
Resumes, Cover letters, Interviews. It all has to be scripted.
I don't think employers really get to know who they are hiring.
There may be jobs out there somewhere .. But not this area.
I had gotten 1 job offer but I would have to move to Warner Robbins.
A friend of mine can get me a job in Clearwater, Florida.
Most jobs I find are in Norcross or past Atlanta.
Which is a challange when you have 180,000 miles on your car & gas is going up to $4.00 a gallon.
I think I really need to move.
But this area, Paulding, Bartow, Polk & even Cobb - there aren't many jobs .
"Better humble yourself, that could be you and yours"
Karma is so ugly....remember that when you think you're being clever
Confuses said: “Find something you love to do and you'll never have to work a day in your life”.
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
This post has been edited by The Postman: 08 May 2012 - 10:50 PM
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
this for me is a really hard question to answer.
1) I i have always worked for myself but everywhere I have went in life (everywhere since i was 15) i learned something.
2) i have work for companies and all they want (some) is zombies that do what they are told. (screw them!!!)
3) i have worked for a few companies where I was the screw up. (youth, go figure)
but i do know that there is to much i cant fix of figure out.
i work on my cars and my families cars. i do not mind getting greasy or dirty from crawling under someones house. i have done it all!
im i lazy? Hell NO!
my bigest problem is working for people that must have perfection! nothing is perfect so we do the best we can with what we have.
well that is not good enough for some people. with the "economy" as it is. (from all the cryin i have read all over the net) you take what you can get. if it works and you are happy, all is good.
if not... then stress is involved. a stressed employee will not work as hard.
this one job i had (electrical) was a stressful job. but the owner of the company knew this.
one a month he would have a BBQ for all use emps to vent the stress and remind us that we (the employees) kept his biz running and his pockets full of money.
(that job i miss)
employees are not lazy, employers do care.
the both of them just simply forgot about each other.
Scott
1) Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, where the heck is the ceiling. 2) The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory. ( When you have nothing to loose, all you have to loose is fear! - Scott Knapp )
If we cut down on buying imported goods, and buy more from small businesses, we will go a long way in recovery from the recession.
Small business is growing much faster than jobs at corporations, as I speak. People are going into their own business, and we should support them in every way we can.
This post has been edited by The Postman: 08 May 2012 - 11:20 PM
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
If we cut down on buying imported goods, and buy more from small businesses, we will go a long way in recovery from the recession.
Small business is growing much faster than jobs at corporations, as I speak. People are going into their own business, and we should support them in every way we can.
i agree with this statement 100%
1) Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, where the heck is the ceiling. 2) The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory. ( When you have nothing to loose, all you have to loose is fear! - Scott Knapp )
I also agree with it, but there's a caveat involved- government needs to change some laws for this to happen. As long as large corporations can still get free rides from exploiting third world countries who utilize slave labor, and appropriate tariffs are placed on imported goods, then we will remain stagnant.
I absolutely LOVE working for myself, but in my former career as a civil engineer, I was treated very well and highly respected, as well as being paid large bonuses for going above and beyond the call of duty. During my 27 years in that field, I was fortunate enough to work for great men who placed a high value on good employees, and they did all they could to keep me with them.
Some folks are simply not cut out to run their own business...it takes a LOT of work and many long hours to be successful. So, I can understand why a lot of people prefer to work for someone else...the benefits, less responsibility, less stress, etc. When I started my own business, it became very clear to me that there are differences in people, namely my ex-wife. She would have preferred I did the 8-5 job even if it wasn't enough money to pay the bills...go figure. But some folks are just wired that way. Heck, I thought I was wired like that until I got laid off and had to find a way to survive. Turns out, I was a natural at running a business. Of course, being a project manager for several years helped me out a lot, since the buck kind of stopped with me; and these were multimillion dollar projects at the time. Without that training, I seriously doubt I could have started my own business. It proved to be very valuable knowledge in the end. Running your own business requires some things that some people simply can't do, such as being firm with people, while being fair at the same time. Not everyone is a pleasure to deal with, but it's nice to have the right to tell them to take a hike when you see they are up to no good and looking for free work. If you don't have the ability to tell someone to take it somewhere else, they can run all over you. Perhaps playing in night clubs all my life gave me the balls I needed to pull that one off!
I also agree with it, but there's a caveat involved- government needs to change some laws for this to happen. As long as large corporations can still get free rides from exploiting third world countries who utilize slave labor, and appropriate tariffs are placed on imported goods, then we will remain stagnant.
I absolutely LOVE working for myself, but in my former career as a civil engineer, I was treated very well and highly respected, as well as being paid large bonuses for going above and beyond the call of duty. During my 27 years in that field, I was fortunate enough to work for great men who placed a high value on good employees, and they did all they could to keep me with them.
Some folks are simply not cut out to run their own business...it takes a LOT of work and many long hours to be successful. So, I can understand why a lot of people prefer to work for someone else...the benefits, less responsibility, less stress, etc. When I started my own business, it became very clear to me that there are differences in people, namely my ex-wife. She would have preferred I did the 8-5 job even if it wasn't enough money to pay the bills...go figure. But some folks are just wired that way. Heck, I thought I was wired like that until I got laid off and had to find a way to survive. Turns out, I was a natural at running a business. Of course, being a project manager for several years helped me out a lot, since the buck kind of stopped with me; and these were multimillion dollar projects at the time. Without that training, I seriously doubt I could have started my own business. It proved to be very valuable knowledge in the end. Running your own business requires some things that some people simply can't do, such as being firm with people, while being fair at the same time. Not everyone is a pleasure to deal with, but it's nice to have the right to tell them to take a hike when you see they are up to no good and looking for free work. If you don't have the ability to tell someone to take it somewhere else, they can run all over you. Perhaps playing in night clubs all my life gave me the balls I needed to pull that one off!
thank you subby, this is good knowledge that i need to know.
wisdom comes from what you learn. not what you know,
thank you.
Scott
1) Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, where the heck is the ceiling. 2) The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory. ( When you have nothing to loose, all you have to loose is fear! - Scott Knapp )
thank you subby, this is good knowledge that i need to know.
wisdom comes from what you learn. not what you know,
thank you.
Scott
In Georgia, Scottie, you have to realize that ethics is not on your side. You have to furnish a lot more of the integrity than you would in any other state, while trying to run a small business. Integrity is very low here in this state.
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
I also agree with it, but there's a caveat involved- government needs to change some laws for this to happen. As long as large corporations can still get free rides from exploiting third world countries who utilize slave labor, and appropriate tariffs are placed on imported goods, then we will remain stagnant.
I absolutely LOVE working for myself, but in my former career as a civil engineer, I was treated very well and highly respected, as well as being paid large bonuses for going above and beyond the call of duty. During my 27 years in that field, I was fortunate enough to work for great men who placed a high value on good employees, and they did all they could to keep me with them.
Some folks are simply not cut out to run their own business...it takes a LOT of work and many long hours to be successful. So, I can understand why a lot of people prefer to work for someone else...the benefits, less responsibility, less stress, etc. When I started my own business, it became very clear to me that there are differences in people, namely my ex-wife. She would have preferred I did the 8-5 job even if it wasn't enough money to pay the bills...go figure. But some folks are just wired that way. Heck, I thought I was wired like that until I got laid off and had to find a way to survive. Turns out, I was a natural at running a business. Of course, being a project manager for several years helped me out a lot, since the buck kind of stopped with me; and these were multimillion dollar projects at the time. Without that training, I seriously doubt I could have started my own business. It proved to be very valuable knowledge in the end. Running your own business requires some things that some people simply can't do, such as being firm with people, while being fair at the same time. Not everyone is a pleasure to deal with, but it's nice to have the right to tell them to take a hike when you see they are up to no good and looking for free work. If you don't have the ability to tell someone to take it somewhere else, they can run all over you. Perhaps playing in night clubs all my life gave me the balls I needed to pull that one off!
You are so right. You did forget to add that it also takes your money, your risk, and your time. No one else. If your business fails it's you that loses out not your employees. I'm not sure why some don't get that. DH still has a chainsaw he needs to get to you.
Happy Birthday to all 1973 babies. Tell your mom how much you love her!!!
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You are so right. You did forget to add that it also takes your money, your risk, and your time. No one else. If your business fails it's you that loses out not your employees. I'm not sure why some don't get that. DH still has a chainsaw he needs to get to you.
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Why, gog?
Corporations use other people's money, not theirs. And, they go for employees in slave labor countries, even though they deny it.
One of the greatest "secrets" of the richest people in the world is summed up in those 3 words: Other People's Money – OPM for short.If you took a cross-section of the most affluent business people, you'll find that the majority of them launched their fortunes using OPM. In the next few minutes, I will show you how you can obtain other people's money for your business. What you do with the money, however, is up to you – but if I were you, I'd take P.T. Barnum's advice, and make money your servant so that you, too, you can make your own fortune.The use of other people's money has become such an ethical and acceptable mainstay in business because one can leverage other people's money to your benefit.
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"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
Corporations use other people's money, not theirs. And, they go for employees in slave labor countries, even though they deny it.
The difference is it is shareholders who volunteer to risk their money in any venture. I know that's a strange concept to you. What is slave labor to us might be a good living to others. There is a reason so many folks chose to retire to places where the cost of living is less then here in the good ole USA. Again I know you can't understand these things. Or, your just yanking chains again.
Happy Birthday to all 1973 babies. Tell your mom how much you love her!!!
The difference is it is shareholders who volunteer to risk their money in any venture. I know that's a strange concept to you. What is slave labor to us might be a good living to others. There is a reason so many folks chose to retire to places where the cost of living is less then here in the good ole USA. Again I know you can't understand these things. Or, your just yanking chains again.
The reason is greed, gog!
Greedy people had rather use OPM, because they are too greedy to risk their own. By risking OPM they can still make a lot of money for thyemselves, and if not they loose nothing but OPM.
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
Greedy people had rather use OPM, because they are too greedy to risk their own. By risking OPM they can still make a lot of money for themselves, and if not they loose nothing but OPM.
What are you going on about? I didn't type anything about OPM.
Happy Birthday to all 1973 babies. Tell your mom how much you love her!!!
While I didn't take time to vote, I do have a comment. I have tried to explain this to more than 4 friends of mine in the past 3 months....the conversation starts with them complaining about how little a job pays, although the job offers PLENTY of hours. This includes overtime, only without the time and a half pay to boot. I have talked till I'm blue in the face trying to make them understand- "Things are not what they used to be!!" They should expect to work twice as hard and get less on the hour than they were used to. This is a FACT. While some people will continue to gripe about it, I'm glad God gave me the sense to realize that WORK is WORK....and it comes with a paycheck. I'd rather work harder and make less as long as I'm STILL getting paid.
Ever since the crap hit the fan (I was among the first to get laid off, being in design and engineering) I have had time to realize that a decent life requires more work for less pay. I also knew for several years during the last few months of my "hey-day" job that this was coming. The money was flowing like a water fall, and everyone was getting paid more than they probably should have been getting paid. I'm one of the few who will admit this.
Now, the unemployed being lazy?.....YES, I have seen more than my share of folks who are kicking back and relaxing while the UE benefits are coming in. What these people do not realize is that while they are drawing benefits from UE, it's the perfect opportunity for them to find a niche to start a new career. Unfortunately, most people don't think that far ahead. By the time their UE is cut off, they not only don't have a backup plan, but sitting idle has reduced 50% or more of their brains and wits into pure mush.
The entire time I had to draw UE, I spent the entire time seeking a different career, and evaluating which talents and skills I had that could offer a viable alternative.
Employers can be as cheap as they want to be. That's their prerogative. From their side of the fence they can go two ways- they can exploit things by hiring inept workers for pennies on the dollar....OR they can streamline their business by hiring LESS, but much more skilled workers. I choose the latter, because once people see you are not up to certain quality standards, then word spreads fast. I would much rather take a hit on my wallet to hire just ONE very excellent worker and not have to worry about tarnishing my reputation. Of course, I would have to pay this person more than what the norm seems to be these days. But a GOOD worker already understands that he/she will not make as much as they once did. However, if you stick it out long enough, they can certainly get closer to that original wage than most people.
I could elaborate so much more on this subject, but time is of the essence, so I hope my point came across clear enough for people to understand the gist of what I mean.
I work my @$$ off every day for less money than I used to make sitting on my @$$ every day. But I found the important part is this- a man NEEDS to STAY BUSY!!!! While you might be making less money and working harder, you are still building your knowledge and character. I have seen too many close friends lose "themselves" by just giving up. Most of them start drinking heavily and try to wash away the fact that life is what it is now.
My recommendation to any man who lost his career is simply this- WORK, WORK, WORK....even if it's tinkering around in your basement for little to no money. A man MUST carry on, lest they lose what made them the man they were, and most of all lose the EDGE that only comes from continued working. Try new things, think back on those things you used to do just for fun or your own self satisfaction, but for Pete's sake...STAY BUSY!!!! Once you get into your 40's, it doesn't take long to lose your talents and skills.....so keep on keeping on, regardless of the pay.
Blaming employers for not paying you enough is stupid on their part, and they are simply pissing their life away by wallowing in their own self pity. Eventually, you will no longer be economically viable to anyone.
(stepping off soapbox now)....sorry for the long diatribe, but it's the truth and it pains my heart to see it happen to so many people who USED to be very productive and amicable people. Too many of them are drowning their lives away in a bottle, feeling sorry for themselves.
I have to agree with Subby! As an employer I see both sides, but we have to stop blaming society and make it happen.
I have to agree with Subby! As an employer I see both sides, but we have to stop blaming society and make it happen.
I certainly agree with The Postman!
You are making it happen as I speak, M i A!
You are certainly not MIA (missing in action), because you are busy. I hated to have to interfere with your ad, but I wanted to tell you how much I appreciate what you do.
You and Subby, are deserving of a good business. I wish Subby had been able to do more with music than the small engines, but he is diversified enough to do many things.
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
You are certainly not MIA (missing in action), because you are busy. I hated to have to interfere with your ad, but I wanted to tell you how much I appreciate what you do.
You and Subby, are deserving of a good business. I wish Subby had been able to do more with music than the small engines, but he is diversified enough to do many things.
There's not a day goes by I don't think the same thing, and I hear it from friends and family constantly. Fact is, it's simply a matter of being at the right place at the right time. When I turned down playing with Doug Stone, I did so because I did not want to be on the road for 9 months a year while I had babies to raise. I also had a rather good job. If I could go back in time, I wouldn't have changed a thing.
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) I either stayed out in my dad's shop building things, or in my room building model cars. What some people call a disorder in this day and age, was purely a blessing for me. 
